| nixonix | .title https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-august-covid-virus-fall-exclusive-b944552.html | 00:02 |
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| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.standard.co.uk: Exclusive: Boris Johnson banking on August virus fall | Evening Standard | 00:02 |
| nixonix | Downing Street denies that “herd immunity” is a deliberate policy goal. However, ministers say there is “an element” of that in the situation being reached where a combination of natural immunity and herd immunity through vaccination will starve the virus of new hosts | 00:03 |
| nixonix | but dont call it herd immunity! its "hybrid immunity" | 00:04 |
| nixonix | we were going to have the "hybrid plan 3" here, but maybe its scrapped now, if we are joining the hybrid immunity crew with uk ans swedes... | 00:07 |
| nixonix | btw the original hybrid strategy was in finland in the fall - unless it too was decided together with other ppl health institutes. anyways, macron needs to pay royalty fees for using it | 00:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest topics: High rate of mutational events in SARS-CoV-2 genomes across Brazilian: bioRxiv – 12 Jul 21 ... Brazil has been considered as one of the emerging epicenters of the coronavirus pandemic in 2021, experiencing over 3,000 daily deaths caused by the virus at the peak of the second wave. In total, the country has [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/PTL1PO | 00:13 |
| himesama | in some places they did away with traffic lights. the idea was that drivers would take more care. but doing away with restrictions does not seem to be the same (if even that worked). am i wrong? if i am right, then what precisely was the plan for these herd immunity geniuses? | 00:14 |
| himesama | specificially, what was their back end plan, for the next 100 years. more specifically, long covid. | 00:14 |
| nixonix | to apologize | 00:16 |
| himesama | after retiring? | 00:17 |
| nixonix | here's a t-cell guy. might be a hammer, tho, who sees nails everywhere: https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1407143750032363530 | 00:17 |
| nixonix | https://twitter.com/GidMK/status/1414466893553958912 | 00:23 |
| LjL | don't know if hammery, but brain involvement seems to be discussed more and more | 00:24 |
| nixonix | yeah, i need to check the recent expert opinions on brain and telomere thingas soon. they havent been published yet, still preprint statuses? | 00:25 |
| nixonix | that health nerd is obv legit. i wrote his analysis on ivermectin studies, which was spot on | 00:26 |
| nixonix | http://www.epimonitor.net/Australian-Epi-Blogger.htm | 00:26 |
| nixonix | wrote=read | 00:27 |
| nixonix | a finnish hc chief suggested removing covid from the list of dangerous infectious diseases. she did that in an mds intended publication article a few weeks ago, then again in a local newspaper - and took it back from the latter afterwards | 00:35 |
| nixonix | the list has eg measles and kolera, which arent necessarily more dangerous than sars2, and maybe even less with vaccines | 00:36 |
| nixonix | anyways, i saved it in archive for future evidence before they remove it from the former article too... | 00:37 |
| nixonix | *cholera | 00:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Algeria: +878 cases (now 146942), +15 deaths (now 3851) since a day ago | 00:37 |
| LjL | uh well i don't think this should be a contest, but, measles and especially cholera are pretty damned dangerous | 00:39 |
| nixonix | i wrote "arent necessarily" and then added especially for vaccinated | 00:42 |
| nixonix | wiki says for measles in developed countries 1-3%. but those figures are often historical, and wouldnt be the case today | 00:42 |
| nixonix | and it said for childern in usa 0.1-0.2% | 00:43 |
| nixonix | so it seems its more dangerous for unvaccinated children, if that number is still true | 00:43 |
| nixonix | but in the same class for adults (unvaccinated) more or less | 00:43 |
| nixonix | cholera: In 2017, a total of 34 countries reported a cumulative total of 1 227 391 cases including 5 654 deaths (case fatality rate of 0.5%) to the World Health Organization (WHO) | 00:45 |
| nixonix | cfr, and prob not in developed countries those | 00:45 |
| nixonix | i dont see a problem in my claim above | 00:46 |
| nixonix | and de facto dangerousness for both in western countries, compared to sars2 with current vaccine prevalences for all - imo sars2 is way more dangerous threat than those here | 00:47 |
| nixonix | that list is for finland, not africa | 00:48 |
| nixonix | there was more (but its not for developed countries): "Cholera is underreported, and as many as 2.9 million cases, and 95,000 deaths are suspected to occur each year. | 00:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Missouri hospital opens 6th virus ward as variant rages | 12JUL21 → https://is.gd/aHBDGv | 00:53 |
| nixonix | .title https://malariajournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12936-020-03187-8 | 00:54 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From malariajournal.biomedcentral.com: Re-introduction of vivax malaria in a temperate area (Moscow region, Russia): a geographic investigation | Malaria Journal | Full Text | 00:54 |
| nixonix | i havent really read much about long covid yet. i need to fix that soon i suppose. but they really are suspecting autoantibodies | 00:58 |
| himesama | i saw that. is it usually a long process with a lot of luck to find autoantibodies? or can it be done rationally? | 01:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Iraqi Health Officials Say 50 People Died In Coronavirus Ward Fire: The officials blamed the fire in Nasiriyah on an electric short circuit. A health official in Dhi Qar province, where Nasiriyah is located, said the fire erupted when an oxygen cylinder exploded. → https://is.gd/Q1jTgg | 01:03 |
| nixonix | my autoantibody comment yesteday was just a guess. at least i dont remember it mentioned before, but its prob just my lack of reading about lc. but here: | 01:03 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/dec/13/autoantibodies-may-be-driving-severe-covid-cases-study-shows | 01:03 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.theguardian.com: 'Autoantibodies' may be driving severe Covid cases, study shows | Infectious diseases | The Guardian | 01:03 |
| nixonix | now if they are planning to stop testing, with these hybrid immunity plans in europe, exp for severe cases like those admitted for hospital - how can you find those long haulers even? | 01:05 |
| nixonix | luckily we got our first doses before catching it. hopefully the second plus couple weeks too, but if the just let it go now, idk | 01:06 |
| nixonix | *they | 01:08 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03631-y | 01:12 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.nature.com: Diverse functional autoantibodies in patients with COVID-19 | Nature | 01:12 |
| nixonix | what do we have, damaged brain cells, telomeres, red blood cells, b-cells, excess t-cells in brain, autoantibodies affecting interferons and lots of signalling proteins, reduced ace2, oxidative stress | 01:18 |
| nixonix | which ones happen to mild cases and kids? just risk it without vaccinating them and see afterwards, during future years and decades? | 01:19 |
| mrdata | https://i.imgur.com/8gaNZoW.jpeg | 01:24 |
| nixonix | wtf, narcolepsy too! | 01:24 |
| nixonix | For example, we identified autoantibodies against the orexin receptor HCRTR2 that—ex vivo—could inhibit orexin signalling, which has an important role in regulating wakefulness and appetite | 01:24 |
| nixonix | some of those that got pandemrix cant drive car, even leave home alone | 01:25 |
| himesama | becauise of autoantibodies? | 01:25 |
| himesama | flu vaccine? | 01:26 |
| nixonix | yeah, apparently. i havent read their latest report, but they have gone back and forth with their hypothesis, and the likely cause was combination of poorly purified protein in pandemrix and extremely strong aduvant by GSK (AS03 if i recall the name) | 01:28 |
| nixonix | and that protein mimiced the same hypocretin receptor that was mentioned in that nature's article | 01:29 |
| nixonix | or part of it | 01:29 |
| nixonix | adJuvant. btw that thai VLP vaccine is adjuvanted, they havent said which adjuvant they will be using in human trials, but with animals they used alum | 01:31 |
| nixonix | in older reserch papers several possible adjuvants were mentioned with it | 01:31 |
| himesama | can i pm you a q? | 01:31 |
| nixonix | just put it here, i dont like pms | 01:32 |
| himesama | can't. that's ok. | 01:32 |
| nixonix | if its some medical, better not listen to my opinions, im just an armchair expert | 01:33 |
| himesama | not really medical | 01:33 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57785073 | 01:39 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.bbc.co.uk: Covid lockdown in Wales: 'Time to end all restrictions' - BBC News | 01:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 10900) since 11 hours ago | 01:39 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01589-0/fulltext?hss_channel=tw-27013292 | 01:43 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.thelancet.com: Mass infection is not an option: we must do more to protect our young - The Lancet | 01:43 |
| nixonix | https://twitter.com/dimps_tfg/status/1412907565193760772 | 01:45 |
| nixonix | Wales should now lift all Covid restrictions, a leading expert on infectious diseases has said. The success of vaccinations and immunity levels meant it was safe to end lockdown, said Welsh and UK government advisor Prof John Watkins. He said the link between cases, hospitalisations and deaths had "definitely" been broken. | 01:50 |
| nixonix | watkins seems to be uk govt advisor. he signed the previous plea with GBD dudes too: | 01:50 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9507449/Scientists-say-vaccines-cut-deaths-98-call-end-restrictions.html | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.dailymail.co.uk: Scientists say vaccines cut deaths by 98% as they call to end ALL restrictions | Daily Mail Online | 01:51 |
| nixonix | To date, about 12.8 million doses of the J&J vaccine have been used in the United States, suggesting a rate of about one case of GBS per 128,000 people vaccinated | 01:55 |
| LjL | when the Daily Mail says something like "Scientists say you must cut ALL restrictions" i immediately read "There is perhaps one or two fringe scientists that are contradicted by most others..." | 01:56 |
| nixonix | around the same ballpark than CVST from AZ, that GBS from jnj | 01:59 |
| nixonix | "These cases have largely been reported about two weeks after vaccination and mostly in males, many aged 50 years and older," the CDC said in a statement | 02:01 |
| LjL | nixonix, uhm except that J&J was *also* looked at for causing CVST (although it seemed rarer, to be fair) | 02:01 |
| LjL | 100 cases, 95 serious, 1 death. not to minimize, but maybe the mortality at least is lower (unless CVST is very successfully and promptly treated now when AZ causes it) | 02:02 |
| nixonix | yeah. was it around 1/M - not sure if they looked hard enough, but that researcher with novel idea about the cause (damaged proteins produced by vaccine) thought jnj was less affected | 02:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Burundi: +78 cases (now 5686) since 3 days ago | 02:04 |
| nixonix | mortality for those AZ VIPIT/TTS cases was something like 20-30%, maybe less when they now know to expect and how to treat them | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: When and how will we know if we need Covid-19 booster shots?: STAT reporters unpack your biggest questions about Covid-19 boosters, including when we’ll actually know if they’re needed, what we know about Pfizer’s efficacy data, and what the need for boosters… → https://is.gd/24wO7P | 02:05 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/12/jjs-covid-19-vaccine-may-trigger-neurological-condition-in-rare-cases-fda-says/ | 02:06 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.statnews.com: J&J Covid-19 vaccine may trigger neurological condition in rare cases | 02:06 |
| nixonix | "when you get any signs of GBS in animal tests, the development of that vaccine stops right there". something like that, i think it was derek lowe | 02:09 |
| nixonix | could it be different modified s-protein they use, or damaged in synthesis, like that hypothesis on AZ? | 02:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +8882 cases (now 1.7 million), +1 deaths (now 17908) since 23 hours ago — France: +16 deaths (now 111441) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +341 cases (now 1.4 million) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +16 deaths (now 128561) since 23 hours ago | 02:29 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/961 | 02:40 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.mdpi.com: Viruses | Free Full-Text | Repeated Exposure to Subinfectious Doses of SARS-CoV-2 May Promote T Cell Immunity and Protection against Severe COVID-19 | 02:40 |
| himesama | always wanted to know | 02:47 |
| himesama | i wonder if this could lead to a "vaccine-lite" that you could take via inhaler if you have medical issues related to existing vaccines, or even could take in place of a regular vaccine | 02:51 |
| himesama | presumably would have to be deactivated or partial | 02:51 |
| himesama | but no inflammation would be interesting | 02:52 |
| nixonix | its just a hypothesis, built on similar previous ones. and it would be risky to intentionally get exposed to low doses of live virus, instead of vaccines | 02:52 |
| nixonix | then for vaccines, pfizer said 3rd dose gives 5-10x more antibodies than 2nd | 02:52 |
| nixonix | so several lower dose vaccines instead of 2, maybe. would be more handy with those nasal ones | 02:53 |
| nixonix | or couple mrna's in shoulder, then a nasal booster on top, maybe updated for new variants. but this idea was also here before | 02:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Iraq hospital fire in Covid ward kills dozens → https://is.gd/dglNDi | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Vietnam: +1721 cases (now 32199) since 22 hours ago | 03:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japan nears homegrown vaccine with Daiichi Sankyo Phase 3 trials → https://is.gd/ENY4EW | 04:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Italy gets an ego boost: Sporting, showbusiness and political success lifts national mood after the dark days of pandemic. → https://is.gd/SHVA66 | 04:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canadian Judge in church challenge of COVID restrictions says he was followed by PI → https://is.gd/m1dXZE | 04:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Channel Islands: +457 cases (now 5662) since 3 days ago — Isle of Man: +18 cases (now 1709) since a day ago | 05:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Covid jab in pregnancy: Things expectant mothers should know before, during and after the vaccine → https://is.gd/zU65Tf | 05:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Australia: +142 cases (now 31323), +1 deaths (now 912) since 18 hours ago — Netherlands: +6331 cases (now 1.7 million) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +25502 cases (now 5.2 million), +5 deaths (now 128563) since 22 hours ago — France: +21 deaths (now 111448) since 22 hours ago | 06:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: France’s Emmanuel Macron orders all health workers to get vaccinated → https://is.gd/NkCWZi | 06:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Panama allows Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine for those as young as 12 → https://is.gd/dBJPiF | 06:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +3329 cases (now 1.1 million), +7 deaths (now 25205) since 2 days ago | 07:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Thailand will give health workers a mix of Chinese and Western vaccines → https://is.gd/AMjObX | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US puts new warning on J&J coronavirus vaccine for autoimmune disorder → https://is.gd/qGAYXL | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for C. Valenciana, Spain: +6616 cases (now 420062), +3 deaths (now 7424) since 4 days ago — Andalusia, Spain: +5879 cases (now 641848), +1 deaths (now 10096) since 2 days ago — Valle del Cauca, Colombia: +5281 cases (now 354709), +213 deaths (now 11083) since 2 days ago — California, United States: +4782 cases (now 3.8 million), +32 deaths (now 63964) since a day ago | 07:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Israel allows those with weakened immune systems to get a third Pfizer shot → https://is.gd/zZKnQE | 08:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Guillain-Barré and vaccines: What you need to know → https://is.gd/99vEjL | 08:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Johnson & Johnson in discussion with FDA regarding COVID-19 vaccine side effects → https://is.gd/a3SW0q | 08:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | July 13, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/bxfUu2 | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Moderna accused of parking vaccine profits in tax havens: report: 'The company’s vaccine profits will end up in some of the world’s worst tax havens,' nonprofit warns. → https://is.gd/r1Hf2h | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: Behavioural and cultural insights shed light on how the pandemic has left youth behind: The pandemic has profoundly affected young people, for whom lockdown measures have drastically reduced opportunities to learn, work and socialize. The toll it has taken on their mental health has been particularly heavy, compounded by a limited [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HY6G6B | 10:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Israel: +781 cases (now 847108), +1 deaths (now 6439) since 23 hours ago | 10:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Most fully vaccinated people who get Covid delta infections are asymptomatic, WHO says → https://is.gd/easSY7 | 10:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Comirnaty, COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (nucleoside-modified), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 21/12/2020, Revision: 9, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/golaYG | 11:04 |
| mambang[m] | %cases Malaysia | 11:17 |
| Brainstorm | mambang[m]: In Malaysia, there have been 844870 confirmed cases (2.6% of the population) and 6260 deaths (0.7% of cases) as of 22 hours ago. 15.6 million tests were performed (5.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 0.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. | 11:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Donuts, drugs, booze, and guns: what governments are offering people to take covid-19 vaccines: In Ohio, you could get a covid-19 vaccine … and the chance to win a million dollars. “Vax a Million,” a state funded public outreach campaign, consisted of a five weekly lottery drawing for those... → https://is.gd/adZzvx | 11:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +1862 cases (now 379673), +11 deaths (now 5479) since 23 hours ago — British Virgin Islands: +691 cases (now 1147), +2 deaths (now 3) since 9 days ago | 11:36 |
| mambang[m] | %cases indonesia | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | mambang[m]: In Indonesia, there have been 2.6 million confirmed cases (1.0% of the population) and 67355 deaths (2.6% of cases) as of 21 hours ago. 14.8 million tests were performed (17.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Indonesia for time series data. | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Turkmenistan becomes the first country in the world to make Covid-19 vaccines obligatory → https://is.gd/9XeFLl | 11:46 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Convocazione del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 28 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/convocazione-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-28/17438 ) | 12:21 | |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Consiglio dei Ministri n. 28 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/consiglio-dei-ministri-n-28/17439 ) | 12:35 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malaysia: +11079 cases (now 855949), +125 deaths (now 6385) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +601 cases (now 3.7 million) since 23 hours ago | 12:38 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Il Presidente Draghi incontra il Commissario Ue Breton ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/il-presidente-draghi-incontra-il-commissario-ue-breton/17441 ) | 12:55 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +1639 cases (now 658778), +12 deaths (now 9412) since 22 hours ago | 13:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Paraguay surpasses 1 million people vaccinated with at least one dose → https://is.gd/m3Ex4U | 13:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Francois Balloux: @BallouxFrancois: R to @BallouxFrancois: I don't believe 'infectiousness" is necessarily the ideal term here. B.1.1.7 (Alpha) could be intrinsically more 'infectious' than previous 'non-variant' lineages in circulation (e.g. higher risk of initiating an infection with the same infectious dose of virions).4/ → https://is.gd/WjCDQU | 13:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gibraltar: +23 cases (now 4460) since 23 hours ago | 13:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: COVID Risks at the Tokyo Olympics Aren't Being Managed, Experts Say: The Summer Olympics taking place in Tokyo next week will be held without spectators to reduce the risk of COVID transmission. → https://is.gd/axHOVf | 14:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest topics: Genome Reports: Emergence of a putative novel SARS-CoV-2 P.X lineage harboring N234P and E471Q spike protein mutations in Southern Brazil → https://is.gd/wwLhcz | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Indonesia: +47899 cases (now 2.6 million), +864 deaths (now 68219) since a day ago | 14:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Emergence of a putative novel: (topic deleted by author) 1 post - 1 participant Read full topic → https://is.gd/3t8gv5 | 14:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: mRNA Vaccines May Pack More Persistent Punch Against COVID-19 Than Thought: Many people, including me, have experienced a sense of gratitude and relief after receiving the new COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. But all of us are also wondering how long the vaccines will remain protective against SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/1r0ycn | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Denmark: +1017 cases (now 301126) since 12 hours ago | 15:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Debt: US Treasury chief warns EU against hobbling coronavirus recovery with tight spending rules → https://is.gd/eJIW6P | 15:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Medicare starts coverage review for Biogen Alzheimer’s drug; U.S. needs more data before deciding on Covid booster shot → https://is.gd/SQM18d | 15:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +32906 cases (now 30.9 million), +984 deaths (now 409629) since 21 hours ago — Bangladesh: +8465 cases (now 1.0 million), +280 deaths (now 16842) since 23 hours ago — Switzerland: +483 cases (now 706248) since 23 hours ago | 15:39 |
| de-facto | .title https://youtu.be/zOU29ZWM9oI?t=434 "Pressekonferenz mit Angela Merkel, Jens Spahn und Lothar Wieler" | 15:41 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From youtu.be: Prima di continuare su YouTube | 15:41 |
| de-facto | in German language | 15:41 |
| de-facto | published by Bundesministerium für Gesundheit today 2021-07-13 | 15:42 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Archiv/2021/13/Art_01.html | 15:46 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.rki.de: RKI - Archiv 2021 - Einfluss von Impfungen und Kontaktreduktionen auf die dritte Welle der SARS-CoV-2-Pandemie und perspektivische Rückkehr zu prä-pandemischem Kontaktverhalten | 15:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Malaysia shuts vaccination center after 204 staff infected → https://is.gd/DnOC9T | 15:47 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Archiv/2021/Ausgaben/13_21.pdf?__blob=publicationFile | 15:47 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.rki.de: Epidemiologisches Bulletin 13/2021 (Robert Koch-Institut (RKI)) | 15:47 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Rigopiano: DSG 1 giugno 2021 (criteri per la corresponsione di speciali elargizioni ai familiari delle vittime e ai soggetti che hanno riportato lesioni gravi e gravissime, tenuto conto anche dell’eventuale stato di effettiva necessità dei medesimi) ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/disastro-di-rigopiano-decreto-del-segretario-generale-della-presidenza-del-consiglio-dei ) | 16:05 | |
| de-facto | .title https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Archiv/2021/Ausgaben/27_21.pdf?__blob=publicationFile | 16:14 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.rki.de: Epidemiologisches Bulletin 25/2021 (Robert Koch-Institut (RKI)) | 16:14 |
| de-facto | .tr <de Die Ergebnisse zeigen, dass unter den getroffenen Annahmen, insb. einer zunehmenden Dominanz der Delta-Variante, die Impfkampagne mit hoher Intensität weitergeführt werden sollte, bis mindestens 85% der 12 – 59-Jährigen bzw. 90% der ≥60-Jährigen vollständig gegen COVID-19 geimpft sind | 16:15 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, German to English: The results show that under the assumptions made, especially an increasing dominance of the delta variant, the vaccination campaign should be continued with high intensity until at least 85% of the 12 - 59 year olds or 90% of the ≥ 60 year olds completely against COVID-19 vaccinated (MyMemory) [... want %more?] | 16:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Event: EMA regular press briefing on COVID-19, Virtual meeting, from 15/07/2021 to 15/07/2021 → https://is.gd/c3Ztg1 | 16:19 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Il Presidente Draghi e la ministra Cartabia domani al carcere di Santa Maria Capua Vetere ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/il-presidente-draghi-e-la-ministra-cartabia-domani-al-carcere-di-santa-maria-capua-vetere ) | 16:25 | |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Cancer backlog in England to be cleared 'by March 2022': NHS bosses are also concerned about those who didn't come forward for tests last year. → https://is.gd/admVUf | 16:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Online Physical Therapy Management for Physiotherapists to Cope Psychological Distress During Covid-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/DeEHAi | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greenland: +5 cases (now 60) since a day ago | 17:06 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Il Presidente Draghi ha incontrato il segretario Pd Letta ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/il-presidente-draghi-ha-incontrato-il-segretario-pd-letta/17447 ) | 17:15 | |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): COVID-19 Impact on RSV Emergency Presentations → https://is.gd/UratBS | 17:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +36216 cases (now 5.2 million) since 15 hours ago — Isle of Man: +30 cases (now 1739) since 12 hours ago | 18:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from In The Pipeline: More on Vaccine Side Effects: Back last summer, I was writing blog posts about possible side effects of mass vaccination. For readers who’ve shown up more recently and might have me filed as Defender of Vaccines, that might seem surprising, but remember, I’ve been in drug discovery for a long time now. All drugs, all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/y24FZ8 | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: The latest on various vaccine side effects, coronavirus variants, and more. It's immunology all the way down:https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/07/13/more-on-vaccine-side-effects → https://is.gd/Yld0wg | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: No Fast Music Or Fast Running: COVID Rules In Seoul Force Gym-Goers To Slow Down: Officials are hoping the new rules will cut COVID case numbers. Gyms in the Seoul area are not allowed to play music faster than 120 beats per minute. → https://is.gd/lGwlpr | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greece: +3911 cases (now 444783), +4 deaths (now 12782) since a day ago — Italy: +1530 cases (now 4.3 million), +20 deaths (now 127808) since a day ago | 18:39 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Grandi navi e Autorità per la laguna di Venezia, nota della Presidenza del Consiglio ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/grandi-navi-e-autorit-la-laguna-di-venezia-nota-della-presidenza-del-consiglio/17449 ) | 18:40 | |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): COVID19: Progressive Increase in Virulence of Novel SARS-CoV-2 Variants in Ontario, Canada → https://is.gd/F7bguB | 18:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from EuroNews: Hungary left waiting as 12 EU states have spending plans for COVID recovery approved: A dozen EU countries have had their COVID recovery spending plans approved, paving the way for funds to arrive later this month. #BrusselsBureau → https://is.gd/pbuJau | 19:01 |
| LjL | anyone have good information on how Sinovac (Coronavac) is faring, especially against Delta, and/or its side effects? it has a bad fame but the studies don't look *so* bad | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The world must start preparing for the next pandemic, Singapore’s senior minister says → https://is.gd/5HYfzz | 19:22 |
| Banban` | hello | 19:30 |
| Banban` | anyone around? | 19:30 |
| Banban` | anyone waiting before taking the shot/ | 19:31 |
| Banban` | 190 chatters on a topic of covid and there is no chat?? | 19:32 |
| Banban` | lol | 19:32 |
| LjL | hi | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Pfizer COVID vaccine shows 78% efficacy in pregnancy: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Jul 13, 2021 Two doses of the vaccine were safe and 78% effective in preventing infection in pregnant women. → https://is.gd/h8heiK | 19:33 |
| LjL | Banban`, this is pretty normal for IRC | 19:33 |
| Banban` | heyy lj | 19:33 |
| Banban` | yeah i know it so quiet | 19:33 |
| LjL | people don't joing a channel just when they are about to speak, we're here all the time by and large | 19:33 |
| Banban` | lol | 19:33 |
| LjL | Banban`, are you waiting for your shot? | 19:33 |
| Banban` | regarding Brainstorm's post, many women are not taking it because they want to make sure they remain fertile | 19:33 |
| Banban` | no LjL i already refused it 2x | 19:34 |
| Banban` | i'm not ready yet | 19:34 |
| Banban` | you? | 19:34 |
| LjL | had my second Pfizer dose last uh thursday i think | 19:34 |
| Banban` | oh ok | 19:34 |
| LjL | i was definitely ready | 19:34 |
| Banban` | thats good | 19:34 |
| LjL | as to pregnant women, that's a bit of a touchier topic, the vaccines were largely not tested on them | 19:34 |
| Banban` | If i had a family and didnt live alone, i'd prolly take it | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Arkansas, United States: +2013 cases (now 357473), +7 deaths (now 5955) since 3 days ago — India: +33464 cases (now 30.9 million), +987 deaths (now 409684) since 23 hours ago | 19:35 |
| Banban` | yeah lj, not only that, there are no 5 year studies on any of the covid vaccines | 19:35 |
| LjL | well, they haven't been around for 5 years so that's hardly surprising :P | 19:35 |
| Banban` | what dr's never mention | 19:35 |
| Banban` | exactly jk :D | 19:35 |
| Banban` | lj* | 19:35 |
| Banban` | its prettty easy debating the vaccine, i just say, how many over 5 year studies are there? | 19:36 |
| Banban` | convo is over | 19:36 |
| Banban` | before my time,but remember thalidimide | 19:36 |
| Banban` | was supposed to be safe too | 19:36 |
| LjL | err, maybe the convo should indeed be over, because it sounds like a can of worms i'm not prepared to open at this time. but i would say that in general, it's far from over just from that argument | 19:37 |
| Banban` | i'm not anti vaxx by any means, i'm just cautious, even before covid vaccines, i did not take any drugs, like tylenols or aspirin , nothing | 19:37 |
| Banban` | so taking this is a big step | 19:38 |
| Banban` | are you american? | 19:38 |
| LjL | nop | 19:39 |
| Banban` | ok | 19:39 |
| Banban` | what part of the world? | 19:39 |
| * Banban` is canadian | 19:40 | |
| LjL | i take some drugs, i'm aware that there are risks associated with them. honestly i think that in the case of the COVID vaccines, although yes we can't know about things long-term because we can't see the future, but there's decent reasons to think that the side effects are going to be less serious than those of many other drugs | 19:40 |
| LjL | but of course if you don't take other drugs to begin with, that's not much of an incentive to take the vaccine | 19:40 |
| LjL | i'm in the EU, in one of the hardest-hit parts | 19:40 |
| Banban` | oh ok | 19:40 |
| Banban` | canada was badly hit too | 19:40 |
| Banban` | we were in long lockdowns and curfews | 19:40 |
| Banban` | most were seniors that died in old folks homes | 19:41 |
| Banban` | fault of the gov't btw | 19:41 |
| Banban` | our liberal govt | 19:41 |
| Banban` | our gov'ts were supposed to be prepared from when we had the sars situtation, buit they did not do their job in protecting the nation | 19:43 |
| Banban` | all our ppe was either garbage, or expired | 19:43 |
| Banban` | trudeau's fault | 19:44 |
| LjL | our PPE is also garbage and has been all along, unless you managed to buy some 3M mask that are rather expensive | 19:44 |
| Banban` | yeah | 19:44 |
| Banban` | i didn't but i got lucky last march 2020 and i found 10 kn95 masks | 19:45 |
| LjL | i think that's been the case mostly all over the world. either locally made "pseudo"-surgical masks, or Chinese made KN95s recertified as N95/FFP2, but which honestly tend to be crap, at least fitting-wise | 19:45 |
| Banban` | yes | 19:45 |
| Banban` | sigh | 19:45 |
| Banban` | my mother caught covid last year | 19:45 |
| LjL | get a couple of 3M Auras for any cases where you need to go somewhere indoors at risk | 19:45 |
| Banban` | yeah | 19:46 |
| LjL | i'm sorry. is she okay? | 19:46 |
| Banban` | ty, yes, she was lucky , she was asymptomatic | 19:46 |
| Banban` | all she lost was her taste | 19:46 |
| Banban` | took till this year to get it back, since last summer | 19:46 |
| Banban` | plus, it made her a bit irritable since then, and mother was never irratable | 19:46 |
| Banban` | but thats small compared to what could have happenned | 19:46 |
| LjL | ah that loss of taste/smell lasts for a long time for some people (hopefully not forever for some, but who knows), and it can actually dull life quite a bit, as well as make it dangerous because you can't smell gas or things like that | 19:48 |
| Banban` | true | 19:48 |
| Banban` | she was not even able to drink water | 19:48 |
| LjL | and there are increasingly signs that COVID can have some effect on the brain so while i hadn't heard of personality changes before, maybe you can have that too :\ or maybe the illness just tested her nerves (in a figurative sense) | 19:48 |
| Banban` | she said it tasted sour | 19:48 |
| LjL | oh, even worse, taste alterations :( | 19:48 |
| Banban` | could be | 19:48 |
| LjL | it does happen, never heard about it with water, but in general it does happen. really strangely enough we haven't had many people who actually had COVID, or who directly knew people who did, here | 19:49 |
| Banban` | so what i did, was i used to go and get fresh cutfruits, about 8 different types, and i think it helped bring her taste back | 19:49 |
| LjL | but maybe it isn't strange, if you have COVID the last thing you want is to be in a place full of news about how bad COVID is ;( | 19:49 |
| Banban` | yeah | 19:49 |
| Banban` | my mother took it very well | 19:50 |
| Banban` | she barely speaks about it anymore | 19:50 |
| LjL | that was probably a good idea, smell/taste retraining is a thing that gets done by having people smell and taste many different things, of course i don't know the exact details, but maybe just stimulation with many different things can work | 19:50 |
| Banban` | yeah thats what i was hoping for , and i believe it did work | 19:50 |
| Banban` | it was suggested to me by a chatter on dalnet | 19:50 |
| Banban` | nice of her | 19:50 |
| Banban` | she's a covid agent | 19:50 |
| Banban` | in asia | 19:51 |
| Banban` | this channel was created just 05 19 2021 ? | 19:53 |
| Banban` | how the heck did you get so many users ? | 19:53 |
| Banban` | alot of users, but I always say, quality over quantity | 19:53 |
| genera | migrated from freenode ? | 19:58 |
| LjL | ↑ | 19:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +77892 cases (now 4.0 million) since 20 hours ago | 20:00 |
| kreyren[m] | ublx: rectum | 20:05 |
| LjL-Matrix | kreyren: that is not helpful | 20:05 |
| Banban` | genera no, i'm motly on lundernet and rizon | 20:32 |
| Banban` | mostly* | 20:32 |
| genera | ic | 20:32 |
| Banban` | i never liked freenode | 20:33 |
| Banban` | barely went there | 20:33 |
| Banban` | cant even mask your ip there if you register | 20:33 |
| genera | oh i meant, the ##covid users are mostly those that were on irc.freenode.net too | 20:33 |
| Banban` | OHHHH | 20:33 |
| Banban` | ok got it, i heard of some type of migration from there | 20:33 |
| Banban` | people hate the owner or something | 20:33 |
| Banban` | some bots from freenode were spamming the channel op at in rizon, they were tryingto start a network war , was a plant | 20:35 |
| Banban` | I op at* | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: FAQ: How France’s coronavirus vaccine drive could affect you: Vaccination appointments skyrocketed after the French president announced that the COVID green pass would be extended to cafés, restaurants and other venues. → https://is.gd/yqVkeC | 20:36 |
| Banban` | lol | 20:37 |
| Banban` | just promise the french some croissants and they will get vaxxed | 20:37 |
| genera | https://github.com/siraben/freenode-exodus | 20:38 |
| Banban` | wow thats a mass exodus | 20:38 |
| genera | just for a background. now back to are regular vax ranting )) | 20:39 |
| Banban` | lol | 20:40 |
| Arsanerit | 20:37:43 < Banban`> just promise the french some croissants and they will get vaxxed | 20:58 |
| Arsanerit | Banban`: That's about as clever as the Dutch carnival song believing that the girls working at the chocolate factory will fall for you if you offer them chocolate. | 20:58 |
| Arsanerit | Should we have mandatory vaccinations? | 20:58 |
| Banban` | lol | 20:59 |
| Banban` | no Arsanerit | 20:59 |
| Arsanerit | Should we have mandatory vaccinations for healthcare workers? | 20:59 |
| Banban` | yes | 21:00 |
| Banban` | its already mandatory here | 21:01 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Comunicato stampa del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 28 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/comunicato-stampa-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-28/17450 ) | 21:05 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +39 deaths (now 111480) since 19 hours ago — India: +34474 cases (now 30.9 million) since 22 hours ago | 21:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Teens Hospitalized With Eating Disorders Rose During Pandemic: New research suggests more than twice as many young people were hospitalized with eating disorders in the first 12 months of the COVID-19 surge in the U.S. → https://is.gd/RAfWKO | 21:50 |
| Banban` | what the heck was that | 21:56 |
| Banban` | were those all bots? | 21:56 |
| Banban` | nice chatting LjL and genera laters | 22:06 |
| genera | sure | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malawi: +514 cases (now 39932), +8 deaths (now 1264) since 23 hours ago | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: July 13, 2021 → https://is.gd/48Flv6 | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Jim Wappes: FDA adds J&J COVID-19 vaccine warning → https://is.gd/2zYIsx | 23:14 |
| -Bridgestorm- 🌒 Terremoto? Sismo? Earthquake? Terratrèmol? Likely strong tremor, with 40 reports, 3 early, possibly occurred 5 minutes ago (21:18:26 UTC), with a crescent moon, Churriana de la Vega, Spain (37.17, -3.64) ± 10 km likely felt 80 km away (Twitter) | 23:24 | |
| himesama | what is good about 3m aura? i have workman today indoors, vaxxed with az, but i a not vaxxed and immunocomromized, will possibly wear half faceplate honeywell and something over the valve | 23:45 |
| himesama | and ask workman to wear "a mask" | 23:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Tennessee's Ousted Vaccination Chief Blasts Politics Over Teen Vaccines: Accusing state leaders of putting their heads in the sand, Dr. Michelle Fiscus said,"I am ashamed of them. I am afraid for my state." → https://is.gd/GTE2cH | 23:45 |
| ubLIX[m] | evening | 23:46 |
| LjL | himesama, compared to other masks i've used, which have largely been KN95 from China, the obviously good thing about the Aura is the fit. it actually covers the area around your nose with foam, and doesn't let air escape from there (i've *never* be able to avoid letting air escape from the nose with other masks). it also goes a fair bit below the chin. the elastic band, although they're the weakest point of the mask, go behind your head, not around your ears, and | 23:52 |
| LjL | the former is by far the better thing to do for good fit | 23:52 |
| LjL | they also aren't just one layer, but instead i think there is an inner layer that's hydrorepellent, which is important since this type of filter works electrostatically and stops working if it gets wet | 23:52 |
| LjL | as to the filter itself, obviously i can't compare it to anything else since i don't have a laboratory :P but i know that some KN95 masks are quite hard to breathe through, so while their filter may well meet "95%" specifications, it may not completely meet breathability requirements | 23:53 |
| LjL | word of warning though: *because* of the good fit, in humid/warm weather, an Aura will start feeling quite moist inside quite soon ;( | 23:53 |
| LjL | but the fit, really, consider the fit... a mask that's very good at filtering is useless if most of the air you breathe in *doesn't actually go through* the mask! | 23:55 |
| LjL | (tell that to people who wear it on their mouth but not their nose...) | 23:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: The world will not exit Covid-19 pandemic without booster shots, vaccine developer says: The world is unlikely to get the Covid-19 pandemic under control without using booster shots for messenger RNA vaccines, one of the key figures involved in the development of the… → https://is.gd/uVouud | 23:56 |
| LjL | other good masks certainly exist, by the way. the 3M Aura is "good" compared to the many random, nearly identical-looking masks that fold vertically and have ear bands. the 3M are the only good brand i've been able to find here, but some Germans here for instance know of a decent German brand as well (i forget the name right now) | 23:57 |
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