| Brainstorm | Updates for Andorra: +86 cases (now 14359) since 3 days ago | 00:05 |
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| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Pandemic of unvaccinated rages with delta’s spread; cases up in all 50 states → https://is.gd/TXv1pD | 00:30 |
| Banban` | specing, congrats on winning the euro soccer match | 00:40 |
| Banban` | what for me is more exciting, is campagnolo was the brand of parts that pogacar had that helped him win the tour de france by a large lead | 00:43 |
| Banban` | i guess all the eu'ers and brits are sleeping now | 00:43 |
| specing | Banban`: I don't remember playing soccer | 00:45 |
| Banban` | oh sorry i meant LjL, my error | 00:46 |
| Banban` | got mixed up :P | 00:46 |
| specing | Nah, Pogačar isn't human. Doesen't matter which parts his bike has | 00:46 |
| Banban` | lol | 00:47 |
| Banban` | i'm still glad campy was on the bike to stop some of that campy hate i get online | 00:47 |
| LjL | oh well, i only just discovered tour de france happened, wouldn't if you hadn't mentioned it | 00:47 |
| Banban` | ok | 00:47 |
| Banban` | the guys with the japanese bikes and parts always attack me for using campy | 00:48 |
| Banban` | i never thought that happened, but online anything happens | 00:48 |
| Banban` | i thought they were joking | 00:48 |
| Banban` | but they were not | 00:48 |
| LjL | i just say cycle and be happy | 00:48 |
| Banban` | yea | 00:48 |
| Banban` | LjL , campagnolo groupo, and colnago frame | 00:49 |
| Banban` | a dream bike | 00:49 |
| Banban` | specing nice going with the spelling and accent on his name ;) | 00:50 |
| specing | naturally, we are both slovene | 00:51 |
| Banban` | yeah true | 00:52 |
| specing | the only reason for not using čžš would be if my keyboard input was broken | 00:52 |
| Banban` | lol | 00:52 |
| LjL | čžš | 00:52 |
| * LjL nods | 00:52 | |
| LjL | although it takes a bit of altgr+shift fuckery | 00:52 |
| specing | I have a modded us english layout with čžš added as lalt+;'\ | 00:53 |
| Banban` | is italy and slovnia the same time zone? | 00:54 |
| Banban` | slovania* | 00:54 |
| LjL | slovenia* :P | 00:54 |
| Banban` | ha | 00:54 |
| LjL | and yes | 00:54 |
| Banban` | ok | 00:54 |
| specing | yeah, CET (GMT+1) | 00:54 |
| specing | Slovenija* | 00:54 |
| Banban` | j like a y ? | 00:55 |
| LjL | for now at least. the EU is set to make a mess of timezones after removing daylight saving time | 00:55 |
| Banban` | they are? | 00:55 |
| LjL | specing, we're currently in CEST (GMT+2), to nitpick | 00:55 |
| Banban` | then we will too | 00:55 |
| LjL | Banban`, yeah, although i'm not entirely sure they're much focusing on it right now given things, but it was decided | 00:55 |
| specing | LjL: ok, I thought GMT included DST | 00:55 |
| Banban` | i prefer not to change the time | 00:55 |
| Banban` | i prefer to add 1 more day to the weekend :P | 00:56 |
| LjL | the problem is, it was decided that we would no longer have DST, but... actually i'm not even *sure of that*, they basically cancelled the Time Directive (which sounds like star trek but you can look it up, it's a thing), so i really fear that some countries will continue using DST and some won't, resulting in much confusion | 00:56 |
| LjL | even if that doesn't happen, though, you could end up with Italy in one timezone and Switzerland in another, if one decided to stick to the summer time and the other to the winter time | 00:56 |
| LjL | (ok Switzerland isn't in the EU but the point stands) | 00:56 |
| specing | The UK already exited and Poland is next, so the EU will be much more focused around CET | 00:57 |
| LjL | specing, GMT is basically the same as UTC except if you're a physicist or astronomer. the british switch from GMT to BST (British Summer Time) | 00:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahamas: +162 cases (now 13566) since 2 days ago — Fr. Polynesia: +42 cases (now 19127) since 3 days ago | 01:32 |
| oerheks | any maps with R ratings? | 01:34 |
| LjL | yeeees i think so but let me see if i figure out which one does | 01:54 |
| imaginary | students with a residence permit shouldn't have issues when entering europe in these coming months right? covid restrictions are very unclear on how to treat students | 01:56 |
| LjL | oerheks, what about https://epiforecasts.io/covid/posts/global/ | 01:56 |
| oerheks | oh nice! | 01:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belize: +89 cases (now 13772) since 2 days ago — Vietnam: +7023 cases (now 58025), +80 deaths (now 334) since 23 hours ago — Liechtenstein: +8 cases (now 3069) since 3 days ago — San Marino: +5 cases (now 5099) since 5 days ago | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +7027 cases (now 1.8 million), +2 deaths (now 17920) since 21 hours ago — France: +10 deaths (now 111583) since 21 hours ago — Canada: +369 cases (now 1.4 million), +5 deaths (now 26504) since 21 hours ago — United Kingdom: +18 deaths (now 128858) since 21 hours ago | 02:34 |
| xrogaan | %title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03791-x | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan: From www.nature.com: Systems vaccinology of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine in humans | Nature | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Snoop List Has 40 Indian Journalists, Forensic Tests Confirm Presence of Pegasus Spyware on Some → https://is.gd/5M9WYS | 04:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Channel Islands: +856 cases (now 7462) since 2 days ago | 04:39 |
| LjL | i have a question for y'all | 04:56 |
| LjL | err actually i don't, wrong channel | 04:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Wikipedia undeletes COVID-19 lab leak hypothesis page → https://is.gd/vhyfXl | 04:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UK PM Johnson dismissed Covid-19 lockdown as only elderly would die, says ex-aide → https://is.gd/gd95ro | 05:19 |
| LjL | <apropos> ● [immunity] Comparison of Neutralizing Antibody Titers Elicited by mRNA and Adenoviral Vector Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 Variants → http://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2021.07.19.452771v1?rss=1 | 05:37 |
| LjL | tl;dr of even the abstract: "give people who got J&J a second dose, duh!" | 05:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +6688 cases (now 1.8 million) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +29721 cases (now 5.5 million), +15 deaths (now 128862) since 22 hours ago — France: +14 deaths (now 111588) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +469 cases (now 1.4 million) since 22 hours ago | 05:41 |
| xrogaan | LjL: does my nature link relate? | 05:43 |
| himesama | does that paper go into the differet vaccines and their degree of efficacy (now i am the one getting confused about which word to use) against variants? | 05:50 |
| himesama | i do not see the point of disqus. i am not going to sign up with disqus or facebook to read thecomments. what kind of a web design is that? | 05:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mauritius: +711 cases (now 2569) since 8 hours ago — Antigua and Barb.: +7 cases (now 1275) since 3 days ago | 06:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Francois Balloux: @BallouxFrancois: R to @BallouxFrancois: Nocebo effects can be very strong determinants of ill-health. If most who had covid are convinced they won't recover, this will be a self-fulfilling prophecy, and many will suffer, irrespective of their 'biological health'.2/ → https://is.gd/eqjnuL | 06:31 |
| didigy[m] | Will COVID Shots Drive Mutated Variants? - https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/07/20/covid-vaccine-drives-mutations.aspx | 06:31 |
| himesama | nonsense | 06:34 |
| himesama | if the body had that kind of power natural selection would weed it out | 06:35 |
| himesama | the uk is creating long covid with its policy. the question is what policy will it have for dealing with long covid. calling it nocebo? | 06:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID: Boris Johnson resisted autumn lockdown as only over-80s dying - Dominic Cummings → https://is.gd/QGKTR5 | 06:41 |
| himesama | it is at least possible that the number of cases will be so large that they will not be able to get away with it. hcw will have clout. | 06:47 |
| himesama | there was a guy who offered 1000 usd if you could do that kind of thing to yourself | 06:48 |
| himesama | i do not understand nitter. it says"R to @BallouxFrancois" but on nitter it says " Prof Francois Balloux @BallouxFrancois " | 06:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Cats are better than dogs (at catching the Coronavirus) → https://is.gd/yiKZiq | 06:51 |
| didigy[m] | himesama Wow, you are an incredibly fast reader - it took me 25 minutes to read the full report and documented evidence | 06:53 |
| himesama | didigy[m]: nope. i am just oblivious. there is a report and documented evidence? where? | 06:54 |
| himesama | "It happens that I'm not a dictator and have no ambition to become one. Having essentially no control over the situation, and not really knowing what I'd do if I were the dictator anyway, I'll simply conclude that this is a bit of a mess." this argument could be used for racism too. | 06:55 |
| himesama | (nothing wrong with concluding that, but the other comments concluded different things.) but perhaps i misunderstand who wrote what. | 06:56 |
| didigy[m] | himesama: Here's a link to an article referenced in the Mercola article | 06:58 |
| didigy[m] | I got it from Harvard University - https://ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu/2018/05/10/vaccines-are-pushing-pathogens-to-evolve/ | 06:58 |
| didigy[m] | Vaccines Are Pushing Pathogens to Evolve - https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/ | 06:58 |
| himesama | didigy[m]: we are talking about different messages | 06:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: In France, angry protests, rising infections and record vaccinations → https://is.gd/lIAwle | 07:02 |
| himesama | didigy[m]: do you know if any of the breakthroughs have been sequenced and if they show any differences? | 07:04 |
| himesama | "They’re nervous to talk about and call attention to potential evolutionary effects because they fear that doing so might fuel more fear and distrust of vaccines by the public" | 07:07 |
| himesama | i wonder if that is really true in practice (transparency fueling more distrust) | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +3795 cases (now 1.1 million), +4 deaths (now 25213) since 3 days ago | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: More than a third of Earth’s population faces malnutrition due to Covid-19 → https://is.gd/LcySY9 | 07:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Andalusia, Spain: +8038 cases (now 662632), +9 deaths (now 10116) since 2 days ago — Madrid, Spain: +7158 cases (now 768874) since 2 days ago — California, United States: +5156 cases (now 3.9 million), +39 deaths (now 64133) since a day ago — Louisiana, United States: +3987 cases (now 499932), +13 deaths (now 10841) since 2 days ago | 07:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Hannity urges viewers to take COVID seriously -- minutes after Tucker Carlson pushed more anti-vax propaganda → https://is.gd/Vu7PU7 | 07:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Covid 19: Patients diagnosed with black fungus opt for leech therapy; all you need to know → https://is.gd/WOQ4cH | 08:04 |
| didigy[m] | <himesama "didigy: do you know if any of th"> Don't have any thing like that currently - if I see it I'll advise | 08:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Honduras: +3630 cases (now 281604), +91 deaths (now 7482) since 4 days ago | 08:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: On England’s ‘Freedom Day,’ rising virus cases and a Prime Minister in isolation → https://is.gd/twM0Lp | 08:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | July 20, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/eOrhYT | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uzbekistan: +658 cases (now 120631), +4 deaths (now 805) since 20 hours ago — India: +30093 cases (now 31.2 million), +350 deaths (now 414368) since 16 hours ago | 09:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Puerto Rico: +149 cases (now 124318), +1 deaths (now 2562) since a day ago | 10:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India’s excess deaths during Covid ‘could be 10 times official toll’ → https://is.gd/ciJNWP | 10:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +2616 cases (now 390945), +26 deaths (now 5592) since 23 hours ago — Armenia: +194 cases (now 227716), +3 deaths (now 4572) since 23 hours ago — Brunei: +22 cases (now 305) since 3 days ago | 10:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: States are sitting on millions of surplus Covid-19 vaccine doses as expiration dates approach: Millions of unused Covid-19 vaccines are set to go to waste as demand dwindles across the U.S. and doses likely expire this summer, according to public health officials. → https://is.gd/wOHUUz | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UK’s daily Covid-19 testing scheme to avoid self-isolation: All you need to know → https://is.gd/Lg6p60 | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Circumventing Covid-19 with better ventilation and air quality: Stronger indoor air quality regulations for workplaces are good for public health, as well as for businesses and schools, in the country's continuing fight against Covid-19, even at the cost… → https://is.gd/JryCoo | 11:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for N. Cyprus: +320 cases (now 9980) since 3 days ago — Laos: +170 cases (now 3710) since 4 hours ago | 11:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Boris Johnson resisted autumn lockdown as only over-80s dying - Dominic Cummings - BBC News → https://is.gd/pv0BSM | 11:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +1030 cases (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: "Jews are behind the pandemic," chant crowd at Polish anti-vaccine protest → https://is.gd/jLL3n6 | 12:17 |
| zutt | LOL :D ^ | 12:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Athletes' village COVID-19 isolation bubble already 'broken' - health expert → https://is.gd/Y3yYBg | 12:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Vulnerable children aged 12-15 will be offered Pfizer vaccine, UK announces: Children aged 12-15 who are at increased risk of serious illness from infection with SARS-CoV-2 will be offered the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, the UK’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation... → https://is.gd/NcGso8 | 13:09 |
| Raf[m] | <himesama "didigy: do you know if any of th"> Also interested | 13:14 |
| thirdwhl | %cases orange nsw | 13:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: We’ve Been Disinfecting Mail for Hundreds of Years: As a young boy, Denis Vandervelde realized he faced two major obstacles to achieving distinction in the study of stamps, called philately: he was penniless, and, worse, color-blind. “A lot of the expertise in stamp collecting depends on shades and tiny variations in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/0L9nbl | 13:19 |
| Brainstorm | thirdwhl: Sorry, orange nsw not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 13:19 |
| thirdwhl | %cases orange, nsw | 13:20 |
| Brainstorm | thirdwhl: Sorry, orange, nsw not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 13:20 |
| thirdwhl | %cases orange, nsw, australia | 13:20 |
| Brainstorm | thirdwhl: Sorry, orange, nsw, australia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 13:20 |
| thirdwhl | %cases australia | 13:20 |
| Brainstorm | thirdwhl: In Australia, there have been 32129 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 915 deaths (2.8% of cases) as of 11 minutes ago. 23.1 million tests were performed (0.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). Australia: +112 cases (now 32129) since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for | 13:20 |
| Brainstorm | thirdwhl: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Australia, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 13:20 |
| thirdwhl | %cases sydney | 13:24 |
| Brainstorm | thirdwhl: Sorry, sydney not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 13:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Finland: +461 cases (now 100773) since a day ago — Fiji: +1054 cases (now 19352), +12 deaths (now 125) since 22 hours ago | 13:33 |
| didigy[m] | Study - 3 Existing Drugs Fight Coronavirus with High Efficacy - http://1480.2.vu/2 | 13:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Danse macabre on “freedom day”: bmj;374/jul20_6/n1833/FAF1faAlberto Pezzali/AP/ShutterstockClubbers at London’s Piano Works mark the lifting of all remaining covid restrictions in England on 19 July. The nightclub was one of many... → https://is.gd/vBngGy | 13:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: People with COVID Often Infect Their Pets: New unpublished studies show that dogs and cats with COVID-positive owners frequently have SARS-CoV-2 antibodies -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/fjw458 | 14:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +27444 cases (now 3.6 million), +250 deaths (now 87624) since 22 hours ago | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India's COVID death toll could be 10x higher than official tally - between 3 and 4.7 million deaths. → https://is.gd/6TV46j | 14:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +12740 cases (now 1.1 million) since 21 hours ago | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: More Genetic Clues to COVID-19 Susceptibility and Severity: Many factors influence our risk of illness from SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus responsible for COVID-19. That includes being careful to limit our possible exposures to the virus as well as whether we have acquired immunity to it from a vaccine or an earlier [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/f01XN7 | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +2202 cases (now 670953), +25 deaths (now 9607) since a day ago — Switzerland: +707 cases (now 710243) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +1196 cases (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: EMA starts rolling review of COVID-19 vaccine Vidprevtyn, CHMP, 20/07/2021: EMA’s human medicines committee (CHMP) has started a rolling review of Vidprevtyn, a COVID-19 vaccine developed by Sanofi Pasteur.The CHMP’s decision to... → https://is.gd/ZOLdyB | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Flu Has Disappeared for More Than a Year: Mask wearing, social distancing and other steps to stop COVID-19 have also curtailed influenza -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/k8zGfJ | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: News: EMA starts rolling review of COVID-19 vaccine Vidprevtyn → https://is.gd/ZOLdyB | 16:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +20126 cases (now 1.1 million), +431 deaths (now 18325) since 23 hours ago — Gibraltar: +43 cases (now 4671) since a day ago | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19 vaccines: under evaluation → https://is.gd/Im3K1L | 16:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19 vaccines → https://is.gd/qDAH9z | 16:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Fluad Tetra, influenza vaccine (surface antigen, inactivated, adjuvanted), Influenza, Human, Date of authorisation: 20/05/2020, Revision: 1, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/Vk8v6Y | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Study of a Quadrivalent High-Dose Influenza Vaccine and a Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Administered Either Concomitantly or Singly in Participants 65 Years of Age and Older Previously Vaccinated With a 2-dose Schedule of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine → https://is.gd/NVwlOm | 17:14 |
| xrogaan | %cases france | 17:17 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan: In France, there have been 5.9 million confirmed cases (8.8% of the population) and 111593 deaths (1.9% of cases) as of 9 hours ago. 99.1 million tests were performed (6.0% positive). See https://dashboard.covid19.data.gouv.fr/ or https://thibautfabacher.shinyapps.io/covid-france/ for data/graphs. | 17:17 |
| xrogaan | no, not that | 17:17 |
| xrogaan | %help | 17:17 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan: Hi, I am LjL's bot! Say %modules or %commands to me in private to see my features. | 17:17 |
| xrogaan | forgot which command to send in order to get the latest updates for a country. | 17:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Burn-out Among Chinese Anaesthesiologist After COVID-19 Pandemic Peak and Its Protective Factor： a National Survey → https://is.gd/PsdQL0 | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Effectiveness of Teleorientation in Oral Hygiene During the COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/cen2iw | 17:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Anti-Covid-19 Vaccine in Children With Acute Leukemia and Their Siblings → https://is.gd/izNW4e | 17:57 |
| OrTh0DoX | https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/ | 17:57 |
| OrTh0DoX | just sharing... | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +46125 cases (now 5.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Shane Crotty: @profshanecrotty: Many unvaccinated folks I talk to get their news from Fox News. Fox makes money saying stuff. So let's keep it simple: Almost all Fox News hosts have been vaccinated for months. Trump got the COVID-19 vaccine himself in January.Do as they do, not as they say: Get vaccinated. → https://is.gd/py7i8c | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Morocco: +3631 cases (now 562416), +20 deaths (now 9486) since 19 hours ago | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from In The Pipeline: Radiation and Immunotherapy Together: Cancer immunotherapy has been a huge topic in recent years, and deservedly so. But there are some types of tumors that respond much better than others, which means that there are also some that hardly respond at all. A great deal of effort is going into trying to find ways to make these [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/mgF9rC | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Jul 20, 2021: Latino vs White COVID deaths Monoclonal antibodies for COVID-19 Potentially resistant E coli in Europe → https://is.gd/WixrCS | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Canada to Welcome Fully Vaccinated Americans in August: Canadian officials have announced that fully vaccinated U.S. travelers will be allowed into Canada beginning Aug. 9. → https://is.gd/QnMcXm | 19:11 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Australian Man escapes hotel quarantine using bed sheets tied from fourth-floor window → https://is.gd/7apeix | 19:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greece: +4327 cases (now 463473), +9 deaths (now 12843) since a day ago — Italy: +3555 cases (now 4.3 million), +10 deaths (now 127884) since a day ago — Spain: +27286 cases (now 4.2 million) since 21 hours ago — Albania: +43 cases (now 132740) since a day ago | 19:33 |
| LjL | EyeOfJupiter, you appear to be bouncing a bit | 19:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Olympic COVID bubble already “broken” with 71 cases, 3 in athlete village → https://is.gd/N75efz | 20:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virology.ws: Trial By Error: Medical Societies and new Komaroff-Lipkin Paper Highlight Long COVID and ME/CFS Links: By David Tuller, DrPH While some medical professionals argue that prolonged non-specific symptoms after acute COVID-19 are psychogenic and that “Long COVID” as a presumed clinical entity was concocted by a cabal of queers and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/pOK4ML | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Isle of Man: +211 cases (now 2756) since 21 hours ago — Germany: +1213 cases (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 20:36 |
| xrogaan | Looks like the UK is indeed in trouble vaccination wise: https://twitter.com/mac_puck/status/1414872538157572101 | 20:43 |
| xrogaan | They don't have enough doses. | 20:43 |
| xrogaan | s/is in trouble/looks to be in trouble/ | 20:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Francois Balloux: @BallouxFrancois: The JCVI has released the report summarising the rationale behind their decision not to recommend vaccination for healthy children/teens. The document is accessible and transparent about the arguments behind their [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rXq13l | 21:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Statins May Help Protect Against Severe COVID-19: A new study finds that for people with a history of high blood pressure or heart disease, cholesterol-lowering statins help lower risk of dying from COVID-19. → https://is.gd/GMNHYS | 21:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Algeria: +1298 cases (now 155784), +23 deaths (now 3979) since 20 hours ago — Singapore: +195 cases (now 63440) since a day ago — Monaco: +24 cases (now 2717) since 21 hours ago | 21:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +15 deaths (now 111598) since 19 hours ago | 22:03 |
| ansDude | how do you guys feel about this statement :: "If there's another shutdown, then we can thank the anti vax crazies. I say, if someone refuses, then let them take their own chances and let natural selection play out. It's a free country. | 22:19 |
| ansDude | " | 22:19 |
| nixonix | i noticed couple of paper on sars2 induced mis-c, that they had skewed t-cell repertoire. anything similar found in adults with severe syptoms? | 22:25 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/19/covid-certificates-to-be-compulsory-for-crowded-venues-in-england | 22:26 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.theguardian.com: Covid vaccine certificates to be compulsory for crowded venues in England | Coronavirus | The Guardian | 22:26 |
| nixonix | or do you guys have had discussion on superantigenic features of sars2 | 22:28 |
| nixonix | there was a hypothesis that sequences around furin cleavage site resemble bacterial, viral and snake neurotoxin. that would cause changes to t-cell repertoire. and could be behind cytokine storm, or a factor | 22:34 |
| nixonix | toxins | 22:34 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.12.21255098v1.full | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.medrxiv.org: Distorted TCR repertoires define multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children | medRxiv | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +33669 cases (now 31.2 million) since 22 hours ago | 22:40 |
| nixonix | now i wonder if that could be behind myocarditis from mrna vaccines too, whole s-proteins instead of s1, in pulmonary circulation | 22:40 |
| nixonix | but why wouldnt that happen with viral vector vaccines too then... | 22:41 |
| nixonix | was it proven it doesnt? | 22:42 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.healthclubmanagement.co.uk/health-club-management-news/Should-people-avoid-exercise-after-getting-Pfizer-or-Moderna-vaccines/348113 | 22:45 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix, the URL could not be loaded | 22:46 |
| nixonix | Singapore’s Health Ministry urged residents to avoid strenuous exercise for a week after receiving the first and second doses | 22:47 |
| nixonix | come on guys, you cant just hang on here, and not participate | 22:49 |
| nixonix | LjL this channel needs more life. entertainment, jokesters, something | 22:50 |
| LjL | I am no fun, and de-facto got mad and left | 22:51 |
| nixonix | like for good? | 22:51 |
| LjL | I dunno | 22:51 |
| LjL | He quit the Matrix client too yesterday | 22:51 |
| LjL | So I presume long term | 22:51 |
| nixonix | this fucking virus makes all mad | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: July 20, 2021 → https://is.gd/kQkOyk | 22:52 |
| nixonix | i just read 20% of finns are unhappy now too | 22:52 |
| ansDude | unhappy about what? | 22:53 |
| ansDude | nixonix, agreed | 22:54 |
| nixonix | i dont know, but it was up from previous 17%, now 20 according to news | 22:54 |
| LjL | I agree with you that this channel should provide information, debate, but also a bit of help or at least try not to make the depression worse, but I have no good ideas on how to achieve that, I tend to make others depressed | 22:54 |
| ansDude | whats really grinding my gears is people telling me to get the mRNA vaccine when i've had covid and survived. | 22:55 |
| nixonix | how long time ago was it | 22:55 |
| LjL | Want to try again? | 22:55 |
| ansDude | nixonix, December 2019 | 22:56 |
| nixonix | sars2 + vaccine gives really good ab titers, better than 2 doses | 22:56 |
| ansDude | LjL, if it'd covid vs. mRNA, then yes I would like to have covid again vs. a brand new category of vaccine | 22:56 |
| nixonix | verified how? not many ppl had it 2019 | 22:56 |
| ansDude | i took some chinese antibody test in march 2020. i think it hit SOCAL hard/fast/early at the end of 2019. | 22:57 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/how-dr-arwady-responds-to-those-worried-about-vaccines-long-term-side-effects/2520299/ | 22:57 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.nbcchicago.com: How Dr. Arwady Responds to Those Worried About Long-Term Side Effects With Vaccines – NBC Chicago | 22:57 |
| nixonix | its way more likely that you got false positive from ab test than you really had it that early | 22:57 |
| ansDude | i disagree nixonix. my kid was in a preschool, a parent from the same class was flying to china twice a month. not sure of the exact city, but i know he was in china ~1-2 weeks before us and the entire school +- our neighborhood (other kids went to the same school) all god sick | 22:58 |
| ansDude | nixonix, perhaps it was a false positive. i | 22:58 |
| nixonix | i would bet 1000 vs 10 that it was false positive, easy money | 22:59 |
| kreyren[m] | Is lambda really immune to the vaccines? | 22:59 |
| nixonix | .title https://towardsdatascience.com/false-positives-negatives-and-bayes-rule-for-covid-19-testing-750eaba84acd?gi=6a6755d8e5b6 | 22:59 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From towardsdatascience.com: False positives/negatives and Bayes rule for COVID-19 testing | by Tirthajyoti Sarkar | Towards Data Science | 22:59 |
| LjL | Okay 2019 is not impossible for sure but also not very likely, just trusting a cheap antibody test to assume you've had covid that early doesn't seem rational | 22:59 |
| ansDude | after looking at the covid symptoms i thought i had it too. for me, at mid 30s, good health/no issues, I will take my chance with COVID .. if i did not already have the antibodies | 22:59 |
| ansDude | LjL, i can understand your viewpoint | 22:59 |
| kreyren[m] | Hmm i though that PCR tests are unreliable | 23:00 |
| ansDude | frankly the more people tell me i need the vaccine, the less i am wanting to take it. | 23:00 |
| ansDude | PCR tests above 25 cycles are absolutely unreliable trash | 23:00 |
| nixonix | lambda was it another south american variant? i havent read about it much, but SA variant is supposedly most immune evasion variant still, and good mrna vaccines still work well preventing serious symptoms | 23:01 |
| nixonix | LjL if you get contact to defacto, ask him back. or to have a break time that he feels is good, but after it | 23:02 |
| kreyren[m] | ansDude: i can't care less if you take the vaccine or not i am just concerned about the mutations... So try avoiding being a makeshift lab for the virus? :p | 23:02 |
| ansDude | haha kreyren[m] 100% agree with you. I honestly just avoid people, i have before covid and i will continue to do so after. | 23:02 |
| ansDude | i work remotely, i order groceries with instacart and i keep to myself and just hang out in the nbeighborhood with some neighbors | 23:03 |
| kreyren[m] | since eventually people without sufficient immunoglobin agains the virus will die on their own, there is a natural selection for a reason | 23:03 |
| LjL | nixonix: I can contact him but I think I'll leave him alone for some days at least, feeling pestered may be worse | 23:04 |
| kreyren[m] | LjL: gimmeh the info on the lambda being immune agains the vaccines | 23:04 |
| kreyren[m] | 🔪 | 23:04 |
| nixonix | we all get it eventually, vaccinated or not, and probably several times like other respiratory viruses that circulate. just less damage when vaccinated | 23:04 |
| * kreyren[m] points to his gas mask | 23:05 | |
| LjL | kreyren[m]: have got no info | 23:05 |
| ansDude | nixonix, supposedly less damage. what're the long term effects of mRNA? what's this nonsense i read about all prior lab animals with mRNA vaxes dying | 23:05 |
| kreyren[m] | LjL: get some | 23:05 |
| kreyren[m] | 🔪 | 23:05 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.earthli.com/news/view_article.php?id=4265 | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.earthli.com: Drosten's prediction: 100% immune (vaccinated or infected, take your pick) > Science & Nature > earthli News | 23:05 |
| LjL | kreyren[m]: don't start with the knife thing as a routine | 23:05 |
| nixonix | ansDude did you read that link above, nbcchicago | 23:06 |
| ansDude | not yet, will click in a minute. working too | 23:06 |
| kreyren[m] | ansDude: animals are not the same as humans.. i am not aware of any trustworthy information on the long-term effects of the mRNA vaccine other than the 40yo(?) research since 1970s | 23:06 |
| kreyren[m] | ansDude: also would be interested in the info on the tested animals dieing else hearsay | 23:07 |
| nixonix | k. around 1 B vaccinated with mrna now, or over 2B because viral vector vaccines like AZ are actually mrna vaccines too | 23:07 |
| ansDude | nixonix, "I usually start by saying, first of all, there are no vaccines that we know of that have long term side effects," | 23:07 |
| nixonix | and very few have died because of side effects | 23:07 |
| ansDude | yes, but there have been no vaccines of this type before, so you can't say no long term affects of other vaxes are the same as this new mRNA vax | 23:07 |
| nixonix | read it all | 23:07 |
| ansDude | ok ill hold my paragraph by paragraph commentary =P | 23:08 |
| kreyren[m] | aaaa long texts | 23:08 |
| ansDude | "That's when we hear a lot about. Again, for this or any vaccine, there's never been a vaccine linked to fertility problems," | 23:09 |
| ansDude | lots of women complaining about irregular period symptoms post vax on reddit | 23:09 |
| kreyren[m] | no source -> hearsay | 23:09 |
| kreyren[m] | no data to support the hypothesis -> hearsay | 23:09 |
| ansDude | i was browsing it myself on reddit it was under /r/covid19 i think | 23:10 |
| ansDude | https://old.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/search?q=period&restrict_sr=on | 23:11 |
| kreyren[m] | <ansDude "lots of women complaining about "> there are lot of reasons for irregular period including mood, diet, etc.. | 23:11 |
| ansDude | oh i get it, lots of reasons for every symptom under the sun | 23:12 |
| ansDude | just enough for me to go 'naaa, you all can be lab rats' | 23:12 |
| ansDude | in 3 years, i'll get it if i determine i need it | 23:12 |
| kreyren[m] | my hypothesis is that there is a minor thrombosis associated with the vaccine since there is a data on inadvertent intravescular vaccination to cause up to fatal issues | 23:12 |
| ansDude | mRNA looks like it'll be great tech, but i'll try it out later | 23:12 |
| ansDude | hmm interesting, what would cause the thrombosis though at the inject site? | 23:13 |
| nixonix | its not impossible, that the immune reaction you get esp from the second dose, will throw periods irregular for some time. if similar happens with colds and shit, idk | 23:13 |
| kreyren[m] | See https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.29.450356v1.abstract??collection= to support my hypothesis | 23:13 |
| ansDude | nixonix, i didn't know that happened to women when they got colds | 23:13 |
| kreyren[m] | which examines the AstraZeneca vaccine | 23:13 |
| nixonix | me neither | 23:13 |
| ansDude | kreyren[m], whats your occupation | 23:14 |
| ansDude | figuring you're a medical person | 23:14 |
| kreyren[m] | sitting on my ass having a fan in my face and looking at nixOS turning my atom notebook into a melting lava | 23:14 |
| kreyren[m] | ah you meant professional | 23:14 |
| ansDude | nixos is this like a new gentoo ? | 23:14 |
| ansDude | you like compiling everything =p | 23:14 |
| kreyren[m] | i would classify myself a businessman with interest in politics, but my alma mater is in medicine which i didn't complete yet due to the pandemic | 23:15 |
| ansDude | ok makes sense, i think you can digest the medical words a bit faster than me. i've gotta have the dictionary up on the other window | 23:16 |
| kreyren[m] | ansDude: Yes it's better then gentoo in terms of an integration, but still painfully incompetent | 23:16 |
| kreyren[m] | would argue paludis being superrior to it if exherbo devs weren't such a retards that don't know how shell works | 23:17 |
| kreyren[m] | > i think you can digest the medical words a bit faster than me | 23:17 |
| kreyren[m] | I update wiki with the finding and outsource to processing to my subordinate so you can probably read the article there and keep yourself informed | 23:17 |
| kreyren[m] | just apply critical thinking meaning don't trust everything you read unless you have a good reason to believe it and always keep an open mind | 23:18 |
| ansDude | the github link in the topic ? | 23:18 |
| kreyren[m] | nah that's just LjL 's hobby that none reads~ :p | 23:18 |
| kreyren[m] | ansDude: i meant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19, read and start discussion about things you are unsure of | 23:19 |
| ansDude | ok ill check it out | 23:20 |
| ansDude | one last grenade from me | 23:20 |
| ansDude | chinese bio weapon? or chinese incompetence and it was released by accident? | 23:20 |
| ansDude | or #3, something i'm not considering | 23:20 |
| ansDude | #4 made at some us military base | 23:20 |
| kreyren[m] | i am leaning towards it being incompetence in the lab, but keeping open-mind for it being natural mutation | 23:21 |
| dTal | well that was exciting | 23:21 |
| kreyren[m] | would say that most likely an incompetence in the lab, but we need investigation to know for sure | 23:21 |
| dTal | I got a positive lateral flow result after a weekend camping trip | 23:21 |
| LjL | uh oh | 23:22 |
| ansDude | is that a pcr test? | 23:22 |
| dTal | no, lateral flow | 23:22 |
| kreyren[m] | ansDude: for example the hypothesis i've said to you before it being discussed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pfizer%E2%80%93BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine#Research_highlights_the_increased_risk_of_fatal_myocarditis_from_inadvertent_intravenous_administration_highlighting_the_importance_of_aspiration | 23:22 |
| nixonix | try another brand? better get pcr, tho, but would be interesting to see if two brands would give false positive for similar reasons | 23:23 |
| kreyren[m] | eh am i stupid or how is lateral flow relevant to covid-19 | 23:23 |
| ansDude | dTal, any symptoms? | 23:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Olympic Village COVID-19 infection bubble already 'broken,' health expert says → https://is.gd/ERWElo | 23:23 |
| dTal | I immediately reported it to NHS, then went to get a PCR test for confirmation, but they said there was a several day lag | 23:23 |
| LjL | <ansDude> chinese bio weapon? or chinese incompetence and it was released by accident? ← this is the kind of thing i don't like to see here. incompetence may be involved, bioweapon would need a *very* strong argument, either way, we all know it originated in China, so there's no need to tack it on as "Chinese incompetence" on everything you say. if there is a debate to be had about the risks/benefits ratio of bio labs where sensitive research is made, i'm sur | 23:23 |
| LjL | e it applies worldwide. | 23:23 |
| dTal | lemme finish the story | 23:23 |
| LjL | kreyren[m], ansDude: "rapid test" ffs | 23:23 |
| kreyren[m] | ah lateral flow tests | 23:24 |
| dTal | Ever since I reported it to the NHS I've been *flooded* with "your test was positive" emails and SMS YEAH THANKS NHS | 23:24 |
| nixonix | how many days since the trip? many soccer hooligans that got it from russia, got 1 or 2 negatives before symptoms and then positive | 23:24 |
| * kreyren[m] was imagining putting blood in a vile and waiting for it to colagulate somehow | 23:24 | |
| dTal | anyway, long story short PCR came in negative today | 23:25 |
| LjL | dTal, there is your first issue, doing as directed :P | 23:25 |
| ansDude | dTal, but did you haver any symptoms? did you feel anything? or is this more asymptomatic nonsense. | 23:25 |
| LjL | dTal, do you know what's the nominal specificity of the rapid test you got? | 23:25 |
| kreyren[m] | ah i have those~ came up positive after i ate my vegan meat~ The soya is infectious apparently | 23:25 |
| LjL | usgh | 23:26 |
| dTal | or at any rate I got a "your test was negative" notification sandwhiched in the 10 "your test was positive" notifications | 23:26 |
| joerg | >><ansDude> in 3 years, i'll get it if i determine i need it<< I suppose you won't need a vaccination in 3 years, you either aqquired immunity "the most natural way (YES, like this)" or you will die trying to go that path | 23:26 |
| dTal | LjL: no idea and can't seem to find it | 23:26 |
| LjL | "or is this more asymptomatic nonsense" ← i'm afraid i already know this is more nonsensical nonsense | 23:26 |
| ansDude | i believe ive already aqrruied immunity, i will go double check my antibodies again with a test from CVS instead of the chinese one i bought online joerg | 23:26 |
| LjL | at what point does the "fingerprint" of the typical person that ends up getting banned need to match enough? | 23:27 |
| LjL | just wondering | 23:27 |
| dTal | my mate who was also on the camping trip got two void (invalid) results in a row with the same batch | 23:27 |
| ansDude | LjL, sorry i dont believe the asymptomatic thing. | 23:27 |
| joerg | ansDude: that sounds like a good plan then | 23:27 |
| ansDude | LjL, if you'd like me to leave i dont mine. | 23:27 |
| ansDude | mind | 23:27 |
| LjL | ansDude, well sorry it's not a religion, you don't have to "believe" the "thing" | 23:27 |
| dTal | we're thinking it was either a bad batch, or I ruined them by storing them in a super hot car | 23:27 |
| ansDude | LjL, kind of funny you mentioning banning. i'm guessing you're talking about me. | 23:28 |
| LjL | yes, i was | 23:28 |
| nixonix | those free uk rapid tests are prob the cheapest chinese brand they could find | 23:28 |
| LjL | what makes it funny | 23:28 |
| nixonix | or those old ones, they bought millions, and found out they were crap | 23:28 |
| ansDude | i kind of believe thats how all you cult of the covidian people are. you wont let me be, you wont let me make my own decisions that affect me and my life. you want to cram down your demands that i stick this mRNA technology into me to satisfy you | 23:28 |
| dTal | nixonix: they actually seem to come in subtly distinct versions | 23:28 |
| dTal | on some of them, the QR code is textured (you can feel it with your fingertips), on others not | 23:29 |
| ansDude | i know people like you LjL will be coming forcefully for the unvaccinated. you will try and make everyone who chooses not to stick the mRNA technology in their body a 2nd class citizen, or force them to take the injection | 23:29 |
| dTal | they look basically identical | 23:29 |
| LjL | what makes it not-funny to me is that each of the typical persons who ends up spouting out enough nonsense to get banned goes pretty much the same trajectory, we can see it'll end there but they haven't said anything *quite* so absurd yet as to get banned, but it just makes everyone nervous. so i'm wondering if there is a point where just noticing patterns is enough to ban even if nothing genuinely outrageous has been said just yet. the answer is probably "no", | 23:29 |
| LjL | but it's a bit of a burden on me and others. | 23:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iceland: +114 cases (now 6832) since 4 days ago | 23:30 |
| LjL | ansDude, now what is funny is that i now took objection to the "asymptomatic thing", nothing about vaccines | 23:30 |
| LjL | but you come back talking about what i want to make of you as an unvaccinated person | 23:30 |
| ansDude | ok, i will stop burdening you LjL. just be of the mind if someone doesn't want what you're selling dont force it on them. if you do, be prepared for backlash | 23:30 |
| kreyren[m] | <ansDude "i know people like you LjL will "> do you have better idea to reduce the risk of people dieing bcs people don't take the vaccine to drastically reduce the risk of new variants | 23:30 |
| LjL | well that was easy-ish | 23:30 |
| * kreyren[m] HARD SMASH | 23:30 | |
| LjL-Pfizer | this way at least it's clear what i'm selling | 23:31 |
| joerg | ansand I now people like you who come provoking conflict by namecalling and insult | 23:31 |
| kreyren[m] | are you ansdude~ | 23:31 |
| joerg | oh too late | 23:32 |
| nixonix | i used to identify tdk cd-r's made by taiyo yuden before buying a box, opening it a bit from the corner and feeling if there was a texture you could feel with fingertip. if there wasnt, it was made by some inferior manufacturer | 23:32 |
| kreyren[m] | <joerg "ansand I now people like you who"> you know me too well senpai~ <3 | 23:32 |
| dTal | well the textured test was the one that gave me a (hopefully and very likely) false positive | 23:32 |
| * kreyren[m] just does lab tests as they are more reliable | 23:33 | |
| dTal | well ain't that the truth, but they aren't instant or free | 23:34 |
| nixonix | with this indian variant, its supposedly transmissible faster than older variants, but those that got it from russia often got positive test (after previous negative results) after 4-6 days they came back | 23:34 |
| kreyren[m] | <dTal "well ain't that the truth, but t"> near instant and free for meh~ | 23:34 |
| nixonix | so they were in quarantine for 14 weeks, and went to take the test several times | 23:35 |
| nixonix | days | 23:35 |
| dTal | was gonna say | 23:35 |
| dTal | helluva quarantine | 23:35 |
| LjL-Pfizer | kreyren[m], meanwhile have you figured out how bad is that variant i had never heard of that you mentioned earlier? | 23:36 |
| LjL-Pfizer | this channel is meant to do my COVID research work for me! | 23:36 |
| LjL-Pfizer | why else would i have made it | 23:36 |
| joerg | dTal: I seen a note that my quicktests are only valid within one hour after opening the sealed bag they ship in. I guess high temperature is sth those tests don't like at all | 23:36 |
| kreyren[m] | there are most likely 1000+ variants where we only track the 5(?) that are most concerning and spreading.. you have to be more specific | 23:36 |
| kreyren[m] | LjL-Pfizer: ^ | 23:37 |
| LjL-Pfizer | kreyren[m], well YOU MENTIONED IT EARLIER | 23:37 |
| nixonix | i saw some graph showing high ct several days longer than older variants, and looked like possibly infective longer than 14 days. if i could find the link... | 23:37 |
| LjL-Pfizer | referene your own specificity | 23:37 |
| LjL-Pfizer | reference aso | 23:37 |
| LjL-Pfizer | ... ALSO | 23:37 |
| kreyren[m] | I've mentioned AstraZeneca vaccine and said that i am concerned about new variants | 23:37 |
| specing | LjL-Pfizer: are you bottled up and ready for action? | 23:38 |
| kreyren[m] | oh and i asked for data about lambda being immune to vaccines | 23:38 |
| LjL-Pfizer | specing, i do appear a little drunk if one reads me lately | 23:38 |
| LjL-Pfizer | so maybe bottled up is right | 23:38 |
| nixonix | seems to be the from the study i linked here a few days ago https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1415672890926772224 | 23:38 |
| LjL-Pfizer | kreyren[m], right lambda, that was the only part i saw, since i was eating and stuff so i didn't see what you said about AZ | 23:38 |
| * kreyren[m] likes to argue with drunk people~ they usually get smarter | 23:38 | |
| kreyren[m] | LjL-Pfizer: read report that lambda is immune to vaccines.. wanted some data on it as the report was questionable | 23:39 |
| LjL-Pfizer | kreyren[m], https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.28.21259673v1 is about CoronaVac and lambda faring badly with it | 23:41 |
| LjL-Pfizer | but i'm not sure CoronaVac fares extraordinarily well with anything | 23:41 |
| kreyren[m] | what's the credibility of that source | 23:41 |
| LjL-Pfizer | i don't have a sensible answer to that but i'm not sure it's a sensible question | 23:42 |
| LjL-Pfizer | it's a study, it's conducted with university of chile ethical approval, i'm afraid you'd have to judge it on its merits | 23:43 |
| kreyren[m] | > Methods We performed a pseudotyped virus neutralization assay and determined the impact of the Lambda variant on infectivity and immune escape using plasma samples from healthcare workers (HCW) from two centers in Santiago, Chile who received the two-doses scheme of the inactivated virus vaccine CoronaVac. | 23:43 |
| kreyren[m] | > [coronavac's] Peer-reviewed Phase III results from Turkey showed an efficacy of 83.5% (95% CI, 65.4–92.1%) -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoronaVac#Results_of_Phase_III_trials | 23:44 |
| kreyren[m] | > Preliminary results from a large study of health care workers suggest one dose of CoronaVac is still about 50% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 in Manaus where over 75% of new cases are caused by the highly transmissible Gamma variant.[81] -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoronaVac#Variants | 23:45 |
| sem | LjL-Pfizer, pfizer gang eh | 23:45 |
| kreyren[m] | hmm i am questioning what factors are influencing sinovac to lose efficacy as the thailand's public health ministry finds the efficacy being 71~91% agains alpha | 23:47 |
| LjL-Pfizer | kreyren[m], i don't know, my rule of thumb is if numbers are all over the place (like with AZ), i probably would prefer another vaccine | 23:48 |
| LjL-Pfizer | this nick would make de-facto madder though, i should nick to LjL-BNT but best i just go back to LjL before other channels bite me | 23:49 |
| * kreyren[m] submitted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:CoronaVac#Research_on_the_Infectivity_and_immune_escape_of_the_new_SARS-CoV-2_variant_of_interest_Lambda_on_CoronaVac_vaccinated_people | 23:50 | |
| LjL | anyway let's follow dTal's example | 23:50 |
| LjL | LET'S BE POSITIVE | 23:50 |
| dTal | yes let's follow my example | 23:50 |
| dTal | what are we talking about again? | 23:51 |
| kreyren[m] | that you like me too much and it's making you too positive | 23:51 |
| kreyren[m] | weirdo | 23:51 |
| LjL | talk about weirdo | 23:51 |
| kreyren[m] | yes that rectum unblx | 23:51 |
| kreyren[m] | 💢 | 23:51 |
| kreyren[m] | IMPEACH HIM | 23:52 |
| LjL | i can't let you do that | 23:52 |
| sem | unplug LjL! | 23:52 |
| specing | kreyren[m]: what's wrong with you, man? | 23:52 |
| LjL-Matrix | I'm sorry you didn't see the initial IRC ban, but you will see this at least | 23:53 |
| dTal | I like to imagine that when Ljl switches to LjL-Matrix everything turns to trickling phosphor green kanjji and he can stop bullets with his hand | 23:54 |
| LjL-Matrix | kreyren: You think you're funny or whatever, be funny in my PM if you really have to, sometimes I'll entertain you and sometimes not, but I cannot let you continue act this way in here, and next time you get banned, by me, Ublx or whatever, it may very well be virtually permanent, so if I were you I'd be thankful I stop you before it gets to that, but it will only happen so many times. If you like to test waters just until *past* the red | 23:55 |
| LjL-Matrix | line, and play some kind of dominance game, eventually that game gets you banned. If you're happy with that and then ban evading forever, then you'll give both of us a headache. Is it such a great idea? | 23:55 |
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