| nixonix | .title https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/the-unusual-lambda-variant-is-rapidly-spreading-in-south-america-heres-what-we-know | 00:04 |
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| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.nationalgeographic.com: The unusual Lambda variant is rapidly spreading in South America. Here’s what we know. | 00:04 |
| nixonix | Virus with the lambda spike had higher infectivity and was neutralized by convalescent sera and vaccine-elicited antibodies with a relatively minor 2.3-3.3-fold decrease in titer on average | 00:06 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.02.450959v1.full | 00:08 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.biorxiv.org: SARS-CoV-2 Lambda Variant Remains Susceptible to Neutralization by mRNA Vaccine-elicited Antibodies and Convalescent Serum | bioRxiv | 00:08 |
| nixonix | looks like indian 617.2 kicks its ass | 00:08 |
| joerg | please rephrase | 00:09 |
| nixonix | it looks like indian variant B.1.617.2 kicks lambda variant's ass | 00:10 |
| joerg | you mean B1.617.2 is "worse" than that lambda? | 00:10 |
| nixonix | depends what you mean by worse. indian is prob more infective and more immune evasive | 00:10 |
| joerg | that's what I meant by worse. Seems ypou prefer "kicks ass" | 00:11 |
| nixonix | although some think the increased transmissibility of the indian variant would be just increased infectivity in mucosal cells (i think its more than that, but im not an expert) | 00:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 1 in 5 Americans believes microchips are hidden in COVID vaccines, poll finds → https://is.gd/VEvhlZ | 00:15 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/tiny-injectable-chips-use-ultrasound-to-monitor-your-body-from-the-inside/ | 00:17 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.sciencefocus.com: Tiny injectable chips use ultrasound to monitor your body… from the inside - BBC Science Focus Magazine | 00:17 |
| joerg | lol, so it's true, they are chipping us by vaccination ;-P | 00:18 |
| nixonix | cool new mrna vaccine candidate in south korea, uses not only s-protein but (part of?) n-protein too | 00:18 |
| nixonix | too bad ab titers were too low, but cellular immunity was good. maybe the same problem that they didnt use pseudouridine? | 00:19 |
| joerg | protein vaccinre? | 00:19 |
| nixonix | mrna. but they instruct cells to produce proteins | 00:19 |
| joerg | so they use two mRNA? | 00:20 |
| nixonix | i hope they can improve it. it might offer more lasting protection, and new cool tech anyway | 00:20 |
| nixonix | they probably have two separate mrna's i think, but the article didnt tell that | 00:20 |
| joerg | or did they even invent a "monolithic" mRNA creating both proteins? | 00:21 |
| nixonix | would that be possible or make sense? | 00:21 |
| joerg | make sense? no. Possible? maybe | 00:21 |
| nixonix | .title https://voi.id/en/economy/65892/there-is-good-news-gx-19n-vaccine-from-south-korea-is-claimed-to-be-able-to-prevent-various-variants-of-covid-19 | 00:22 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From voi.id: There Is Good News, GX-19N Vaccine From South Korea Is Claimed To Be Able To Prevent Various Variants Of COVID-19 | 00:22 |
| joerg | they could create a "janus" protein that looks S one end and N on the other ;-) | 00:23 |
| nixonix | no, it was dna plasmid, not mrna | 00:23 |
| nixonix | forgot | 00:23 |
| nixonix | like inovio's troubled vaccine. uses electroporation device too | 00:24 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.26.21257700v1.full | 00:25 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.medrxiv.org: Safety and immunogenicity of a recombinant DNA COVID-19 vaccine containing the coding regions of the spike and nucleocapsid proteins: Preliminary results from an open-label, phase 1 trial in healthy [...] | 00:25 |
| nixonix | yeah, i confused myself when i thought about possible not using pseudouridine, despite it being dna vaccine and not mrna, being reason behind inferior ab titers. but it might require license from kariko anyways | 00:30 |
| nixonix | and why wouldnt they aquire it? or why curevac didnt? too expensive? or is it, that they wanted to use their own techology so they could then license it to others following years and decades | 00:31 |
| nixonix | vaccines are not great business, but patens that could be used in future therapeutic mrna drugs could be a great money maker | 00:32 |
| nixonix | +t | 00:32 |
| nixonix | but curevac's antibody titers were supposedly ok. so its a bit strange why those trials went so bad | 00:34 |
| nixonix | they are planning to get eua for it anyway, for 18-65 yo or so. efficacy for that age was 53% or something, so barely over that 50% | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Articles] Global minimum estimates of children affected by COVID-19-associated orphanhood and deaths of caregivers: a modelling study: Orphanhood and caregiver deaths are a hidden pandemic resulting from COVID-19-associated deaths. Accelerating equitable vaccine delivery is key to prevention. Psychosocial and economic [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ChQCgk | 00:36 |
| nixonix | maybe its just that if they succeed to improve it, it would be speedier to get the updated version approved then | 00:36 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.biospectrumasia.com/news/37/18622/taiwan-approves-manufacturing-of-medigens-covid-19-vaccine.html | 00:41 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.biospectrumasia.com: Taiwan approves manufacturing of Medigen's COVID-19 vaccine | 00:41 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/reithera-announces-preliminary-phase-2-data-from-its-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-877332271.html | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.prnewswire.co.uk: ReiThera Announces Preliminary Phase 2 Data from its COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate | 00:50 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.biospace.com/article/-zydus-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-shows-promise-for-dna-based-vaccines/ | 00:58 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.biospace.com: Zydus’ COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy Shows Promise for DNA-Based Vaccines | BioSpace | 00:58 |
| joerg | >>or why curevac didnt?<< I heard they deliberately opted for "as close to 'nature' as possible" | 01:04 |
| joerg | for the better or the worse. Result was too high reactogenicity limiting the applicable dosage to below where efficiency starts its green range | 01:06 |
| himesama | you are asking because? 13:19 <ansDude> how do you guys feel about this statement :: "If there's another shutdown, then we can thank the anti vax crazies. I say, if someone refuses, then let them take their own chances and let natural selection play out. It's a free country. | 01:08 |
| himesama | there are quite a few topics that that statement affects | 01:09 |
| joerg | the OP is gone | 01:10 |
| himesama | ah | 01:10 |
| LjL | himesama, he left ages ago | 01:10 |
| LjL | or i chased him away if you prefer | 01:10 |
| nixonix | .title https://phys.org/news/2021-07-sars-cov-spike-mutation-evades-human.html | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From phys.org: SARS-CoV-2 spike mutation evades human immune response, enhances infectivity | 01:11 |
| nixonix | ljl noticed, that there was an italian vaccine candidate too, to cheer you up? | 01:11 |
| joerg | >>evades human immune response<< is a pretty weird statement | 01:12 |
| nixonix | theres some information about two mutations in different variants | 01:12 |
| LjL | nixonix, oh yeah periodically, but rarely, we hear about that one | 01:12 |
| nixonix | the same with the finnish nasal vaccine project | 01:13 |
| nixonix | the only non-finnish media site paying attention to it during the last few months was this chinese (it uses Ad5 vector, and maybe half the ppl have immunity against it. not sure if it harms the effectivity of mucosal vaccines, though): | 01:23 |
| nixonix | .title http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/europe/2021-07/07/c_1310048267.htm | 01:23 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.xinhuanet.com: Finnish researchers secure funding to develop nasal spray COVID-19 vaccine - Xinhua | English.news.cn | 01:23 |
| nixonix | and as defacto said, mucosal vaccines inducing IgA, would be needed for effectively preventing the transmission (although it seems with recent mrna vaccine it could be reduced by 90% - enough for the indian variant?) | 01:24 |
| nixonix | the protective effect from nasal vaccines might be shorter, though | 01:25 |
| nixonix | *effectiveness | 01:27 |
| nixonix | "Do NOT require proof of vaccination against COVID-19 for international travel as the only pathway or condition permitting international travel, given limited global access and inequitable distribution of COVID-19 vaccines | 01:32 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.who.int/news/item/15-07-2021-statement-on-the-eighth-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-pandemic | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.who.int: Statement on the eighth meeting of the International Health Regulations (2005) Emergency Committee regarding the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic | 01:32 |
| nixonix | i remember when WHO said, we shouldnt restrict travelling, because poor countries often depend on tourism incomes | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Turkey: +8780 cases (now 5.5 million), +46 deaths (now 50650) since a day ago — India: +1332 deaths (now 415700) since 16 hours ago | 01:34 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.wsj.com/articles/niger-is-the-land-thatcovid-19forgot-11626531245 https://archive.is/7z61P | 01:34 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.wsj.com: Niger Is the Land That Covid-19 Forgot - WSJ | 01:34 |
| nixonix | This desert capital’s main coronavirus ward has been empty for months and hastily erected isolation facilities are gathering dust. Masks are almost unheard of in the streets and many days go by without a single person testing positive for Covid-19. There is so little demand for vaccines that the government has sent thousands of doses abroad | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science Daily: More than 1.5 million children lost a primary or secondary caregiver due to the COVID-19 pandemic: More than 1.5 million children around the world are estimated to have lost at least one parent, custodial grandparent, or grandparent who lived with them due to death related to COVID-19 during the first 14 months of the pandemic, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/aqRSRT | 01:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Norway: +246 cases (now 134780) since 23 hours ago | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Politics the reason Canada has surpassed U.S. on COVID vaccines, Fauci says → https://is.gd/rXwAcE | 01:59 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Airbnb suspends Victorian host who rejected couple for receiving Covid vaccine → https://is.gd/rrWfxr | 02:15 |
| LjL | "It is not the first case in Australia of businesses turning people away for being vaccinated. Several businesses in the Byron Shire in northern New South Wales have put up signs refusing service over false beliefs about how the vaccine works." | 02:18 |
| LjL | somewhat anti-vax people like the guy above who left after i was admittedly passive-aggressive accuse "us" of wanting to force the vaccine on them and such... but uh, looks like for now, it's happening the other way around? | 02:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Airbnb suspends Victorian host who rejected couple for receiving Covid vaccine → https://is.gd/Gj2OqY | 02:20 |
| LjL | i was quicker stormie | 02:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kazakhstan: +3787 cases (now 524653) since 20 hours ago — Netherlands: +5587 cases (now 1.8 million), +3 deaths (now 17923) since 20 hours ago — China: +50 cases (now 98334) since 20 hours ago — France: +23 deaths (now 111611) since 20 hours ago | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 67 COVID-19 cases now tied to Tokyo Olympics as experts warn of 'worrying' situation on the ground → https://is.gd/vu6hro | 02:41 |
| himesama | it is not as if nobody told them | 02:42 |
| LjL | *shrug* | 02:42 |
| LjL | at least they're doing it behind closed doors | 02:42 |
| LjL | i call that dodging a bullet | 02:42 |
| himesama | article says locals could be infected and the vax rate is low | 02:47 |
| LjL | yeah, that's true | 02:50 |
| LjL | dodging half a bullet then? | 02:50 |
| LjL | i'm convinced that having tons of spectators from all over the world would make it orders of magnitudes worse | 02:50 |
| himesama | dodging a bullet means something like you just barely were able to not have a bad thing occur, usually fortuitously | 02:55 |
| himesama | true about spectators | 02:56 |
| himesama | idk the size of spectatorless olympics so perhaps it is not a big deal fcompeared to other events | 02:56 |
| himesama | if it got bad it would be bad but it would at least make it clear to those who watch such things that pandemic exists | 02:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: I especially like that they have a GSK vaccine up there with the others. . . → https://is.gd/EHsRge | 03:29 |
| LjL | himesama, well that wouldn't help the rest of the Tokyo...ites? | 03:30 |
| himesama | didn't say it would | 03:34 |
| himesama | it is not a moral choice to make in the first place | 03:35 |
| LjL | i just don't get excited by "well at least that'll teach them" thoughts when it will mostly teach people who didn't need to be taught | 03:35 |
| himesama | right. those who did need to be taught would not get taught. humans deny diseases. they have millennia of experience coming up with excuses. | 03:36 |
| himesama | it is a global televised event and the number taught out of that large numbr would be small as a relative matter | 03:37 |
| himesama | however, cast your mind back to the 1980s. according to a political cartoon at least, there was an event that convinced americans, who had not taken aids seriously, that it was a problem. a non-homosexual basketball player got it. (never mind that he had 10,000 women. it convinced people. celebrities do make a difference sometimes.) | 03:41 |
| himesama | idk if this was bfore the panic or after it | 03:43 |
| LjL | celebrities make a difference often i'm afraid | 03:43 |
| LjL | "the panic"? | 03:43 |
| himesama | dentists refusing pwa etc. | 03:43 |
| LjL | i'm afraid i have no idea what PWA is | 03:44 |
| himesama | person with aids | 03:44 |
| LjL | oh | 03:45 |
| himesama | pw[insert disease acronym] is common | 03:45 |
| himesama | pwlc is likely common although i have never seen it | 03:45 |
| himesama | tokyoites were probably not excited about the olympics on average | 03:46 |
| LjL | not much from what i've heard | 03:47 |
| himesama | idk where the evet is technially held | 03:47 |
| LjL | there's been a fair amount of internal political struggle | 03:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 3 million donated doses of U.S. vaccines arrive in Guatemala → https://is.gd/5cxzsd | 04:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Vaccinated White House official was infected with COVID-19, has mild symptoms → https://is.gd/wdagqQ | 04:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malawi: +867 cases (now 44684), +11 deaths (now 1363) since a day ago | 04:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Anger as half of Australians in lockdown again → https://is.gd/22HmNV | 05:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for British Virgin Islands: +6 deaths (now 23) since a day ago | 05:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +13853 cases (now 2.7 million), +341 deaths (now 236810) since a day ago — Thailand: +13002 cases (now 439477), +108 deaths (now 3610) since a day ago — France: +1975 cases (now 5.9 million), +26 deaths (now 111619) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +5031 cases (now 1.8 million), +3 deaths (now 17924) since 22 hours ago | 06:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: U.S. Life Expectancy Fell By 1.5 Years In 2020, The Biggest Drop Since WW II: The CDC says COVID-19 was the largest factor, along with drug overdoses, homicides, diabetes and chronic liver disease. The decline was even greater for Hispanic men than other groups. → https://is.gd/paFjyg | 06:15 |
| stano_ | bow wow | 07:14 |
| stano_ | is the wuhan bsl lab origin topic allowed here? because it wasnt but now it seems to be | 07:15 |
| stano_ | also can anyone point me to a study of the drosten protocol and false positives by cycle count? there appear to be labs running between 24 and 40 or more cycles, and we should have data by now on results from that primer set | 07:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for California, United States: +9765 cases (now 3.9 million), +11 deaths (now 64144) since a day ago — Mexico City, Mexico: +4489 cases (now 737792), +41 deaths (now 35194) since a day ago — South Korea: +1784 cases (now 182265), +1 deaths (now 2060) since a day ago — Sindh, Pakistan: +1648 cases (now 359824), +19 deaths (now 5756) since 21 hours ago | 07:34 |
| stano_ | . | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Covid-related falsehoods about Bill Gates amplify other misinformation about him → https://is.gd/XuB4NJ | 07:58 |
| stano_ | what is the best weight of coffee in grams for one liter of water? | 08:34 |
| genera | maybe ask in #coffee ? | 08:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +42015 cases (now 31.2 million), +2790 deaths (now 417158) since 23 hours ago — British Virgin Islands: +186 cases (now 2210) since 3 hours ago | 08:37 |
| stano_ | thanks genera | 08:41 |
| genera | welll they are really here | 08:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: It has taken a pandemic to crack the glass ceiling in India → https://is.gd/HvCemX | 08:51 |
| stano_ | hi genera: what are the missing letters here? D-d**er ? | 08:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | July 21, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/3se3sS | 09:01 |
| stano_ | what does it tell us that the chat channel for the premier issue of our time is silent on the topic? | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Regular monsoon ailments and Covid-19: Know the difference → https://is.gd/KokSWv | 09:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: On Fox News, vaccination pleas intensify, but skepticism persists → https://is.gd/Gb7wm5 | 09:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: One dose of J&J vaccine is ineffective against Delta, study suggests → https://is.gd/edYTTD | 09:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Caledonia: +2 cases (now 131) since a month ago | 10:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Scarred by COVID-19, survivors and victims’ families aim to become a force → https://is.gd/0PTpyR | 10:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Armenia: +220 cases (now 227936), +1 deaths (now 4573) since a day ago | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: WHO chief warns about more dangerous strain of novel coronavirus | 20JUL21 → https://is.gd/w7sPXs | 11:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: “We’re Not Allowed to Hang Up”: The Harsh Reality of Working in Customer Service: by Ariana Tobin , Ken Armstrong and Justin Elliott , illustrations by Laila Milevski ] ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. Last year [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/XYjXRC | 11:27 |
| martini_man[m] | https://theconversation.com/covid-vaccine-weekly-more-vaccinated-than-unvaccinated-britons-are-now-dying-from-the-coronavirus-164526 | 11:27 |
| stano_ | dying from the sars-cov2 spike protein | 11:27 |
| stano_ | note to the amateur scientists: a vaccine is supposed to be an injection of inactive material | 11:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Grenada: +3 cases (now 164) since a month ago — Germany: +1597 cases (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 11:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vietnam produces first batch of Russian COVID-19 vaccine → https://is.gd/mKUSJI | 12:09 |
| Banban` | hi | 12:13 |
| Banban` | i hope you all know that Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, along with J&J, are not FDA approved | 12:16 |
| specing | I don't understand, isn't "not being approved" by the Federal Death Agency a plus? | 12:18 |
| Banban` | its considered experimental | 12:18 |
| Banban` | no its not a plus | 12:18 |
| specing | Yeah, same in EU: comirnaty, spikevac, vaxzervia and jannsen have "emergency use authorisation" only | 12:19 |
| Banban` | I didn't know that | 12:19 |
| Banban` | ho'ws it going specing? | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: Missouri Legislators Oppose Vaccine Efforts as State Becomes COVID Hotspot: by Jeremy Kohler ] ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up for Dispatches , a newsletter that spotlights wrongdoing around the country, to receive our stories in your inbox every week. Amid the current surge in COVID-19 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Bjm8Gy | 12:20 |
| specing | Banban`: this isn't a social channel | 12:21 |
| Banban` | ok | 12:21 |
| Banban` | just asking how's it going | 12:21 |
| Banban` | if corona is the only topic to discuss, maybe i'll leave | 12:21 |
| Banban` | LjL is this also a social channel or only covid chat? | 12:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India's COVID Death Toll Estimated At About 4 Million, Says New Report → https://is.gd/ae3guz | 12:30 |
| Banban` | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo9htB_kXxA srael: Over 12,000 people test positive for COVID-19 after receiving Pfizer vaccine | 12:33 |
| specing | So what if they tested positive. vaccine is for preventing serious illness | 12:34 |
| Banban` | its not as effective as they believe, specialy now with the variants, and you dont know the effects it will have on you and others in 5 years | 12:35 |
| Banban` | as its experimental, you can't even sue phizer or the others | 12:35 |
| Banban` | so there are millions are guinea pigs out there | 12:36 |
| specing | Yeah, all men will grow 2 extra arms and all women two extra boobs | 12:36 |
| specing | in 5 years | 12:36 |
| stano_ | it's not in dispute that normal testing standards were waived | 12:36 |
| Banban` | its easy to joke ablout | 12:37 |
| Banban` | there are no long term tests , and they are experimental | 12:37 |
| stano_ | i know people who are crippled for life from the injections so i'm not joking | 12:37 |
| Banban` | no one knows the effects in 5 years not even the drug companies | 12:38 |
| specing | stano_: please expand on that | 12:38 |
| Banban` | they are just doing this for the masses, anyone that dies is colateral damage | 12:38 |
| specing | stano_: which vaccines, which long term side effects | 12:38 |
| stano_ | kidney damage, brain damage, pfizer | 12:39 |
| stano_ | nearly died | 12:39 |
| stano_ | that was one | 12:39 |
| specing | "nearly died"? I nearly die every time I ride my bicycle along a busy road | 12:39 |
| stano_ | the other only had interminable rectal bleeding | 12:39 |
| Banban` | specing tell that to the ones who died from blood clots | 12:40 |
| Banban` | plus, blood clots will continue over time as in some people it till take longer | 12:40 |
| specing | stano_: "had" doesen't sound "crippled for life" | 12:40 |
| stano_ | i wonder if specing has taken both shots | 12:40 |
| Banban` | people better prepare to be guinea pigs again, as theere will be booster after booster shot | 12:41 |
| Banban` | specing, its not a vaccine, but look at thalidomide and the damage it did | 12:41 |
| stano_ | we have now decided to call bicycles hamsters Banban` | 12:42 |
| specing | Aren't blood clots a regular side effect of covid? | 12:42 |
| specing | So people who catch covid itself shortly after being vaccinated will appear as if the vaccine caused it | 12:43 |
| stano_ | look into the mode of action of the gene-jabs specing | 12:43 |
| stano_ | it's different than the virus | 12:43 |
| specing | and none of the vaccines are 100%, so you can still catch covid and get blood clots, albeit this should be very rare | 12:43 |
| specing | stano_: if you have such an opposition to comirnaty/spikevac, then get vaxzervia | 12:44 |
| stano_ | well Banban` isn't in a denial bubble at least. cheers mate | 12:44 |
| specing | though you may not like the long list of side effects, lol: https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-14-july-2021_en.pdf | 12:44 |
| Banban` | lo | 12:45 |
| specing | Which vaccines are approved in the USA? | 12:45 |
| specing | spikevac and comirnaty + ? | 12:46 |
| stano_ | beware of kookery among the critics though | 12:46 |
| Banban` | what part of the world are you in stano_? | 12:47 |
| stano_ | europe | 12:47 |
| Banban` | cool | 12:47 |
| stano_ | lawsuit filed over 40,000 gene-jab deaths | 12:51 |
| stano_ | lawsuit pending on the drosten protocol, but that is a curious thing. I'm not able to find data on the cycles used and number of false positives | 12:52 |
| stano_ | since a positive drosten-pcr result is counted as a 'case' in many countries | 12:53 |
| stano_ | just a lot of assertions flying around | 12:53 |
| stano_ | but the adoption of the drosten protocol was itself bizarre | 12:53 |
| stano_ | a no-credential man without access to the virus came up with the definitive test? | 12:54 |
| stano_ | and chose a pcr cycle threshold far in excess of those used before | 12:54 |
| stano_ | we have no explanations for this | 12:54 |
| stano_ | so it needs to go to court | 12:54 |
| Banban` | lets hope blood clots and cancer dont go up over the next few years | 12:55 |
| stano_ | we already have an epidemic of untreated carcinoma | 12:55 |
| stano_ | due to the political measures taken | 12:55 |
| stano_ | a bit shocking to see how many free-software advocates have just rolled-over like dogs when it comes to corporations injecting their bodies with foreign code | 13:01 |
| stano_ | that's deep programming | 13:02 |
| Banban` | its sad indeed | 13:03 |
| Banban` | at least no one attacks the non vaxxed here unlike most other channels | 13:03 |
| stano_ | and their fevered egos will send them to their graves denying they ever were duped | 13:03 |
| Banban` | i wonder how many people that have taken the vaxx believe in god? they seem to want evidence of all the vaccine stuff but they follow god blindly with zero evidence | 13:10 |
| Banban` | what a joke | 13:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Austria: +431 cases (now 654745) since a day ago | 13:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Listen: Ezekiel Emanuel on vaccine mandates: ‘Covid might not be done with you’: In this week's episode of the "First Opinion Podcast," physician and bioethicist Ezekiel Emanuel argues that all health care facilities need to issue vaccine mandates for all employees to prevent… → https://is.gd/z8Emos | 13:13 |
| stano_ | they put their faith in institutions of men | 13:16 |
| Banban` | well said | 13:16 |
| stano_ | and it's amply demonstrated | 13:18 |
| stano_ | if one week they're told masks are useless, then the next week that they're mandatory, they'll just flip on a dime | 13:18 |
| Banban` | like many did | 13:19 |
| Banban` | wow what a crappy wet miserable day today | 13:19 |
| stano_ | that's really the master yanking the dog around on the leash, just because he can | 13:19 |
| Banban` | we all know that most humans are easily manipulated | 13:19 |
| Banban` | just loook how many believe in gods | 13:20 |
| Banban` | people will believe any good story | 13:20 |
| Banban` | most only watch the 6o'clock news and think they know whats going on | 13:20 |
| * Banban` bbl | 13:22 | |
| stano_ | they'd be far better off not watching | 13:26 |
| stano_ | we've witnessed an ongoing weaponization of science in the service of political narratives | 13:27 |
| specing | In any case, everyone can decide whether to get vaccinated or not while vaccination remains non-mandatory. Just avoid using non-scientific sources in making that decision | 13:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: Fake Homeopathy COVID Scam: Naturopath arrested for selling fake homeopathic COVID treatments, reveals "alternative" rot in the medical system. The post first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://is.gd/JtFi9Z | 14:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Uganda: Experts Confirm Ugandans Got Water for Covid Vaccine → https://is.gd/0kfOuw | 14:16 |
| dTal | stano_: "foreign code"? The RNA sequence is public | 14:19 |
| dTal | the vaccine is open source | 14:19 |
| stano_ | that statement is false | 14:20 |
| dTal | dude it's linked right from the wikipedia article | 14:22 |
| dTal | first citation in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer%E2%80%93BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine#Sequence | 14:22 |
| dTal | it goes "GAGAAΨAAAC ΨAGΨAΨΨCΨΨ CΨGGΨCCCCA CAGACΨCAGA GAGAACCCGC..." | 14:23 |
| dTal | I eagerly await your apology | 14:23 |
| Raf[m] | you miss the essence of the free software movement, that is, the ability if desired to edit or control the code you are using. nobody is going to modify their mRNA vaccine. I don't think it's an appropriate analogy | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +1918 cases (now 672871), +30 deaths (now 9637) since 22 hours ago | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Health: At Least Two Million Children Have Lost a Parent or Grandparent Caregiver to COVID → https://is.gd/xdZnlY | 14:37 |
| stano_ | Raf[m]: and we cannot inspect the code | 14:56 |
| stano_ | claiming it's open source is like microsoft giving you a binary and claiming "this is the source" | 14:56 |
| stano_ | nice to see one person with brain engaged :) | 14:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: US life expectancy falls by more than a year due to Covid-19 pandemic, CDC study says → https://is.gd/0hQue4 | 14:58 |
| Banban` | lots of fake news out there | 14:58 |
| Banban` | first, they should not call the variants delta or anyting greek, or call it the UK variant if we cannot call it what it is, the china virus, or wuhan virus | 14:59 |
| Banban` | every variant they should use a chinese name | 14:59 |
| Banban` | boycott china! | 14:59 |
| stano_ | i've read that 'delta' is the indian variant | 14:59 |
| Banban` | could be but they should not refer to anything as a UK variant | 15:00 |
| Banban` | if we can't say china virus | 15:00 |
| Raf[m] | Yeah I mentioned the irony before. The pango or nexstrain names make sense | 15:01 |
| stano_ | names do not make sense | 15:01 |
| Raf[m] | WHO made these catchy Greek names but they’re not really detailed enough in my opinion | 15:01 |
| Banban` | they should call it the Xi variant | 15:01 |
| stano_ | there are no publicly promulgated names for every new variant of rhinovirus | 15:01 |
| Banban` | true | 15:01 |
| Banban` | https://www.raysahelian.com/ interesting read | 15:02 |
| stano_ | what's the topic Banban` | 15:03 |
| Banban` | "I Will Not Be Taking the Current Vaccines" | 15:03 |
| Banban` | this dr. is not an anti vaxx | 15:04 |
| Banban` | just sharing his opinion | 15:04 |
| Raf[m] | <stano_ "there are no publicly promulgate"> We don’t have so much research in rhinoviruses. We should | 15:04 |
| Raf[m] | The common cold is so mysterious | 15:04 |
| Banban` | This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race | 15:06 |
| stano_ | the government's mismanagement of cancer research has been borderline criminal | 15:07 |
| stano_ | that is if you accept that they have a mandate to do it in the first place | 15:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Computer-model shows mRNA vaccine provides an extra 7.4 days of life when faced with post-infection complications → https://is.gd/IzoWsa | 15:09 |
| stano_ | genetic therapy has tremendous potential, if not abused | 15:10 |
| stano_ | and the fact that Barik, Fauci, Daszak's gang are still unindicted and out of cages is a really bitter verdict on our society | 15:12 |
| stano_ | and Drosten | 15:12 |
| Banban` | and Dr. Tam | 15:17 |
| stano_ | their tactic, to achieve immunity by startin a cascade of people and institutions who 'buy in' has worked, so far. | 15:18 |
| Banban` | it has with the help of fear mongering by the media | 15:19 |
| stano_ | it's the 'too big to fail' tactic of criminality | 15:25 |
| stano_ | anyway Banban` if you find any good studies on PCR testing, particularly the Drosten protocol, please paste a link. | 15:27 |
| stano_ | Because there's widely varying claims about it and it's hard to pick out signal from noise. | 15:28 |
| Banban` | will do | 15:28 |
| martini_man[m] | <Banban` "i wonder how many people that ha"> (((science))) is the new gawd | 15:28 |
| Banban` | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kM2wJbbvW8 | 15:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Pfizer cuts deal for Covid-19 shot to be partially made in South Africa; wholesalers to pay $1.1b to NY to settle opioid suit → https://is.gd/qeSGjv | 15:30 |
| Banban` | fauci the spinmaster | 15:31 |
| stano_ | his criminal career goes back to the 1980s | 15:33 |
| Banban` | i have been educating myself on fauci and his career, its not very impressive | 15:34 |
| stano_ | astute observers noticed none of the doctors treating 'HIV' patients got sick | 15:34 |
| stano_ | billions were diverted from legitimate research | 15:35 |
| Banban` | omg iread about that fiasco and how they created the situation | 15:36 |
| Banban` | by vaxxing gays in california i think | 15:36 |
| stano_ | i hear it's permitted to talk about hydroxychloroquine again | 15:36 |
| Banban` | lol i see | 15:36 |
| stano_ | well the HIV thing is not related to covid-19 except through Herr Fauci | 15:37 |
| stano_ | and his performance doing that debacle ought to have at least disqualified him | 15:38 |
| Banban` | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=423h9hiXN2w stano_ check this out | 15:39 |
| Banban` | an old vid of fauci | 15:39 |
| Banban` | seems he's always had a bad attitude | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +7614 cases (now 1.1 million), +173 deaths (now 18498) since 22 hours ago — Switzerland: +773 cases (now 711016) since a day ago | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Bloom Lab: @jbloom_lab: Great article by @ksxue that explains in accessible terms what the science of immunity and viral evolution might mean for the future of #SARSCoV2. → https://is.gd/NOzLlk | 15:41 |
| stano_ | there's no lefal, constitutional mandate for the federal government to create a position like fauci's in the first place | 15:42 |
| stano_ | but people are always desperate for some leader to give them the official position | 15:42 |
| stano_ | so that lady's phone call embodies a false assumption, namely that anyone should be listening to such a fuehrer in the first place | 15:42 |
| stano_ | your doctor may not know everything but you've got a better chance at getting the straight answers from someone who is answerable to you as a client, not some bureaucrat | 15:44 |
| stano_ | all this corruption is downstream of the toxin-plant called state idolatry | 15:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Shane Crotty: @DrTomFrieden: RT by @profshanecrotty: Countries around the world face a perfect storm of converging threats. Covid is latest but far from last health emergency the world will face.Link below to some of what's needed and what works, including this table, published 7 yrs ago, still relevant. https://bit.ly/3iskDDg → https://is.gd/bbFq7c | 15:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Shane Crotty: @profshanecrotty: COVID 😢https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-fac0863b8c252d21d6f6a22a2e3eab86 → https://is.gd/Svg6yJ | 16:02 |
| Banban` | stano_ i called my cousin who is an md , he said, cousin, we dont really know | 16:04 |
| Banban` | he is in private practice for 30 years, he's old guy | 16:04 |
| stano_ | don't know what | 16:06 |
| Banban` | does not know how safe the vaccines are | 16:06 |
| Banban` | he said, the medical community has to do something | 16:06 |
| stano_ | gene-jabs pls | 16:06 |
| stano_ | there is a vaccine called Novavax, that's actually a vaccine | 16:06 |
| Banban` | i know for a fact, i was around covid patients, but all i did was wear my ppe | 16:07 |
| stano_ | doubt it's effective though | 16:07 |
| Banban` | and wash my hands | 16:07 |
| Banban` | and i was fine | 16:07 |
| Banban` | i was in a covid ward, visiting my mother | 16:07 |
| Banban` | last year | 16:07 |
| Banban` | i was thre daily | 16:07 |
| Banban` | she is fine thank goodness | 16:07 |
| stano_ | an injection of cell-modifying mrna or adenovirus is not a vaccine. It's gene therapy. In this case experimental gene therapy. | 16:08 |
| Banban` | yeah | 16:08 |
| stano_ | If we accept and reinforce bent terms from the subverters of language, we serve the enemy. | 16:09 |
| Banban` | many seem to be following without question | 16:09 |
| stano_ | it's one of their tricks | 16:09 |
| Banban` | its become like a cult | 16:09 |
| stano_ | also more info on the 'chain of command' that organized the wuhan funding would be helpful | 16:17 |
| stano_ | pointing to figurehead fauci is not doing the work | 16:17 |
| stano_ | who, exactly, at NIH was involved in approving the funding | 16:18 |
| Banban` | hopefully they will be exposed | 16:18 |
| stano_ | there were also people in canada and france involved | 16:18 |
| Banban` | I'm sure | 16:18 |
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| stano_ | we probably shouldn't hold our breath for the chinese government to be forthcoming with anything useful | 16:22 |
| Banban` | they always lie | 16:23 |
| Banban` | there is no honor with china | 16:23 |
| Banban` | i dispise china | 16:23 |
| Banban` | always have | 16:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +4376 cases (now 939622), +13 deaths (now 17232) since 21 hours ago — Serbia: +228 cases (now 719234), +4 deaths (now 7092) since a day ago | 16:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Entry denied: France’s Covid-19 vaccine passport now required for museums, cinemas or swimming pools → https://is.gd/AxeYWa | 16:34 |
| stano_ | creation of biological weapons is prohibited by treaty law | 16:41 |
| stano_ | it's not a topic many lawyers are versed in though, there not being many cases of people manufacturing biological weapons in violation of those treaties | 16:42 |
| Raf[m] | <stano_ "creation of biological weapons i"> Even so, if someone was developing a weapon we wouldn't know about it | 16:50 |
| Raf[m] | <stano_ "there is a vaccine called Novava"> For covid? | 16:51 |
| Banban` | https://www.novavax.com/our-pipeline#nvx-cov2373 | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India's Pandemic Death Toll Estimated At About 4 Million: 10 Times The Official Count → https://is.gd/XaAypr | 16:55 |
| dTal | what's with all the nutters in here lately | 17:00 |
| stano_ | yes, they grow that spike protein in-vitro, then give a controlled dose of it to the patient. it might be stupid but at least it's a vaccine | 17:00 |
| stano_ | and there's a controlled dose of the therapeutic substance | 17:00 |
| stano_ | we all know how the dosage makes the poison, right? | 17:01 |
| stano_ | so why, instead of in-vitro grown spike protein, were mrna and adenovirus vectors chosen, that transform an unknown and indeterminate number of human cells into spike protein factories? | 17:01 |
| specing | dTal: idk, LjL needs to de_dust the hammer | 17:02 |
| Banban` | LjL is very open minded from what I see | 17:02 |
| Banban` | there is nothing wrong,with respecful debate. ever hear of free speech? | 17:03 |
| stano_ | the emergency experimental approval has only been issued to these gene-jabs | 17:03 |
| dTal | Banban`: this isn't debate, it's soap boxing | 17:04 |
| stano_ | so you've got untested, unverified therapeutics from a few companies, 'because emergency' | 17:04 |
| stano_ | but not from others? why? | 17:04 |
| Banban` | like I said, people who are vaxxed are acting like they are part of a cult | 17:04 |
| stano_ | what's the benchmark when you have just declared you tossed the testing protocols out the window? | 17:04 |
| Banban` | and cannot accept other views shows a small mind | 17:04 |
| Banban` | like religious fundamentaliss | 17:05 |
| Banban` | ists* | 17:05 |
| Banban` | that is how the vaxxed are acting | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: Unvaccinated Arkansas Is Running Out of Time: At a county health department near my hometown in rural Arkansas, almost everyone who comes in for a COVID-19 test is congested and short of breath, with a sore throat and muscle aches. They might have the flu, except for the added telltale symptom of this coronavirus: the loss of [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/SsasVb | 17:05 |
| dTal | like there isn't even a point, just a stream of consciousness about "their nefarious plan" and bioweapons | 17:06 |
| Banban` | some people choose to keep thier heads in the sand, nothing new | 17:06 |
| dTal | I can rant like that too but I have a job | 17:06 |
| Banban` | ok, here start the insults, LOL nice going | 17:07 |
| stano_ | there are a lot of questions raised by the government's response to this that don't require a PhD in virology to understand | 17:09 |
| dTal | there are lots of important social issues thrown up by the pandemic that are worth discussing, but I can't take seriously someone whose core belief seems to revolve around the idea that mass vaccinating people during a deadly pandemic was somehow an evil conspiracy | 17:10 |
| stano_ | did any of these people admit the computer models used to justify lockdowns were bogus, if not outright fraudulent? | 17:10 |
| stano_ | that their predictions for sweden specifically were off by a factor of twenty? | 17:10 |
| stano_ | does it ever click in their brains that after florida's reopening, and all the press saying it was an experiment in human sacrifice | 17:11 |
| stano_ | that their numbers with no-lockdown, age corrected, put them near the bottom of covid mortality in USA? | 17:11 |
| dTal | you seem to be broadly of the view that governments shouldn't do anything and have no moral authority, and any kind of government response to a pandemic is inherently suspect | 17:11 |
| dTal | is that a fair characterization? | 17:11 |
| stano_ | i ask this of people who have passed through 'higher education' | 17:12 |
| stano_ | and nobody's home in their heads | 17:12 |
| stano_ | it's amazing | 17:12 |
| dTal | it's like talking to a wall | 17:13 |
| Banban` | <dTal> there are lots of important social issues thrown up by the pandemic that are worthdiscussing < i havent see you bring anything up at all so ............. | 17:13 |
| dTal | a rude wall | 17:13 |
| stano_ | what pandemic. that's word abuse. | 17:13 |
| Banban` | dTal you were the one implying you have a job and other dont so...... | 17:13 |
| stano_ | a pandemic, by the classic, accepted definition, exists when you have massive casualties | 17:13 |
| stano_ | not a disease you have a 99.9% chance of surviving | 17:14 |
| stano_ | if you accept the wrong words, you already have started down the wrong path, dTal | 17:14 |
| dTal | I'd like to see that definition | 17:14 |
| dTal | also CFR at the beginning was 1% not 0.1% | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Wednesday 21 July 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/n0i6nX | 17:16 |
| Banban` | The odds of dying from a motor-vehicle crash in 2019 were 1 in 8,393 | 17:18 |
| dTal | not to mention that death rate is hardly our guiding light | 17:18 |
| dTal | Banban`: yes and 9/11 only killed 0.0006% of the US population | 17:18 |
| Banban` | The lifetime odds of dying in a motor-vehicle crash for a person born in 2019 were 1 in 107 | 17:18 |
| Banban` | nice try | 17:18 |
| dTal | so why did the whole US freak the fuck out over it and not motor vehicle accidents | 17:18 |
| Banban` | try again | 17:18 |
| Banban` | drowing 1- 1028 | 17:19 |
| dTal | what do you mean nice try | 17:19 |
| Banban` | motorcyclist dying 1 -899 | 17:19 |
| Banban` | your example was pathetic, try again | 17:20 |
| dTal | is that just a generic thing you say when you don't feel like responding | 17:20 |
| Banban` | you're really grasping for anything | 17:20 |
| dTal | no, you're just failing to engage with the point | 17:20 |
| Banban` | I wont address a troll attempt nor a rediculous fishing example | 17:20 |
| Banban` | you can think as you like , free country | 17:20 |
| dTal | a point that you are reinforcing | 17:20 |
| Banban` | at least where i'm from its a free country, not sure where you are | 17:20 |
| dTal | which is that death rate is not the be-all and end-all of whether something is considered a social threat | 17:21 |
| Banban` | 99.9% survival rate Mr. i the point regarding covid | 17:21 |
| Banban` | is* | 17:21 |
| UImacdude22 | Humans are bad at risk assessment, end of story | 17:21 |
| dTal | and, for the second time, knock a decimal off that | 17:21 |
| Banban` | LIke i said, vaxxed people act like a cult | 17:22 |
| Banban` | insulting | 17:22 |
| dTal | UImacdude22: or maybe not all risks are created equal | 17:22 |
| Banban` | ready to attack | 17:22 |
| Banban` | i see it all over social media | 17:22 |
| UImacdude22 | you bet i'm ready to attack anyone putting my kids at risk | 17:23 |
| Banban` | its like saying anything against jews, yuo're an antisemite, saying anything against muslims, you get labled as a ilamaphobe | 17:23 |
| dTal | people have preferences as to which risks they're willing to endure, which is a seperate issue as to how big the risk is | 17:23 |
| Banban` | LOL what a joke | 17:23 |
| Banban` | vaxxed are the new antifa | 17:23 |
| Banban` | bbl | 17:23 |
| UImacdude22 | @dTal not all risks are created equal but decades of research have shown we throw the risk assessment out the window if it's fun (e.g. cars) http://archive.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/07/12/humans_have_a_hard_time_calculating_risks/ | 17:23 |
| UImacdude22 | vaxxed are the new antifa actual wat | 17:24 |
| dTal | an opinion of comparable quality to the spelling | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: COVID Drove Biggest Drop in U.S. Life Expectancy Since World War II: New research reveals COVID has slashed life expectancy by a year and a half -- the lowest level since 2003 and the largest one-year decline since World War II. → https://is.gd/0c7AII | 17:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +43404 cases (now 5.6 million) since 15 hours ago | 18:08 |
| LjL | gnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn | 18:09 |
| LjL | Banban`, even if you flatter me, i'm not "open-minded" to the extent that i let you say namecalling political statements like "<Banban`> vaxxed are the new antifa", and i also quite literally ended up with someone leaving the channel because i said calling other people's opinions "pathetic" was not acceptable, so for a bare minimum of consistency at least, i'm not going to accept "<Banban`> your example was pathetic, try again" | 18:17 |
| stano | let's stick to the topic and not chatters | 18:18 |
| LjL | also Banban`, as a general thing politics related to COVID is allowed here, but the line is at namecalling or bashing just for the sake of it, so i'm not going to like "<Banban`> there is no honor with china" or "<Banban`> i dispise china". those are opinions you can keep to yourself. | 18:20 |
| stano | agree with LjL there | 18:21 |
| LjL | stano, yeah the thing with you is the logs are so full of ugh, i don't know where to begin | 18:21 |
| stano | topics not chatters please | 18:21 |
| LjL | stano, i will begin, if my computer doesn't crash again, by pointing you to https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/blob/master/COVID-19-chat.md - do you think you can chat within the limits of that? | 18:22 |
| LjL | like denying the existence of a pandemic in the first place, well if you don't think there is one, you can just not be here | 18:22 |
| stano | i oppose the subversion of thought by redefinition of words for political agendas | 18:23 |
| stano | i use the classic, always-accepted english language definition of pandemic | 18:23 |
| stano | if you insist on using a novel one, a fabricated one, that's okay | 18:23 |
| stano | but we can't talk about it then | 18:23 |
| stano | because you have accepted a fraud and defend it | 18:24 |
| LjL | that sounds like your answer is "no" | 18:25 |
| LjL | if you think it's all a fraud, you have no business here | 18:25 |
| LjL | you can make ##covid-is-a-fraud or something like that | 18:25 |
| stano | i never claimed that | 18:25 |
| specing | pandemic (epidemiology) Of a disease: epidemic over a wide geographical area and affecting a large proportion of the population; also, of or pertaining to a disease of this nature. | 18:25 |
| stano | my words stand above and are very clear | 18:25 |
| specing | I don't see how covid wouldn't qualify | 18:25 |
| LjL | covid very obviously qualifies | 18:26 |
| stano | under the novel definition by the WHO or the standard, always used definition | 18:27 |
| LjL | also <stano> let's stick to the topic and not chatters <stano> topics not chatters please ← sorry you don't get to decide that | 18:27 |
| LjL | chatters are definitely going to be discussed if they are making out-there argument that are pretty much not acceptable for the channel | 18:27 |
| specing | What's the "classic, always-accepted english language definition of pandemic"? | 18:27 |
| stano | i'm not deciding that, i'm making a request | 18:27 |
| LjL | okay, request denied | 18:27 |
| stano | and i asked you a question | 18:27 |
| Justin[m]12 | These two a clearly just trolls. His name is BanBan. The other guy is making the obviously baited claim that pandemic means something no one has ever claimed. | 18:28 |
| LjL | even the definition i see in the logs that you gave is fine to me since COVID caused a large amount of casualties | 18:28 |
| LjL | but the word "pandemic" doesn't imply to me a large amount of casualties | 18:28 |
| LjL | it was constructed in parallel with "epidemic" and "endemic" | 18:28 |
| stano | au contraire Justin[m]12 - the who decided the word pandemic must be redefined in 2015 | 18:28 |
| stano | *WHO | 18:28 |
| stano | you have now been informed of this | 18:29 |
| Justin[m]12 | Why engage with trolls at all? Talking *about* them seems ok, but talking *with* them is pointless. | 18:29 |
| stano | Justin[m]12 would you address the point? | 18:29 |
| stano | why won't you address the point? | 18:29 |
| stano | alright then | 18:29 |
| LjL | Justin[m]12, Banban` has banana as realname/ident, not entirely sure they mean for the nick to mean they get banned. also they sounded vaccine hesitant but otherwise not completely absurd during the past few days. willing to give benefit of the doubt but i pointed out things that they can keep to themselves | 18:29 |
| Raf[m] | COVID is a pandemic because of the widespread/global nature of it and the rate at which it infects people is exponential. it has nothing to do with the mortality or morbidity caused by the infection | 18:29 |
| stano | Raf[m]: that is under the WHO's redefinition | 18:30 |
| Raf[m] | <stano "my words stand above and are ver"> your words are not clear at all, you said the COVID pandemic was a fraud... | 18:30 |
| * specing still waits for "the classic, always-accepted english language definition of pandemic"? | 18:30 | |
| stano | i said calling it a pandemic is a misuse of the term | 18:30 |
| Justin[m]12 | These two will not listen to anything. They are not here to discuss anything with you. Their only goal is dissent. | 18:31 |
| Justin[m]12 | They may not even believe what they are saying. | 18:31 |
| stano | always pay attention when some groups of people try to redefine language | 18:31 |
| specing | Justin[m]12: I agree | 18:31 |
| stano | it is usually to serve a political agenda, and not truth | 18:32 |
| LjL | /ban *!*@p57bbebbd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de | 18:33 |
| Raf[m] | A pandemic disease; an outbreak of such a disease. | 18:33 |
| Raf[m] | 1832 J. A. Allen in Boston Med. & Surg. Jrnl. 5 Sept. 53 If all, or about all the inhabitants of a country be similarly attacked, at or near the same time, with a particular complaint, it is more properly called a pandemic. | 18:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +4254 cases (now 4.3 million), +21 deaths (now 127905) since 22 hours ago | 18:33 |
| LjL | damn | 18:34 |
| Raf[m] | I guess they are kicked but, you can really find some old definitions and usages of the word pandemic in the OED. there is no dispute about it | 18:34 |
| LjL | i really wanted someone (including me, who was googling for it) to come with such a definition of a pandemic way pre-dating the WHO's "change of mind" | 18:34 |
| LjL | but apparently i was being pushed for banning him asap | 18:34 |
| Raf[m] | it's ok, the channel is better now with them gone | 18:36 |
| Justin[m]12 | My preference was for people to stop engaging them. | 18:36 |
| Justin[m]12 | But I'm happy they're banned regardless | 18:36 |
| indoanon[m] | huh? what happened guys? | 18:38 |
| LjL | ketas, i assume it's not on purpose, but you're technically still muted and it's just your IP changed. do you think maybe you freaked out a little last time and can avoid acting like that again...? | 18:39 |
| LjL | okay, another "no" | 18:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Living with Obesity? Get Your COVID Vaccine Now, Experts Say: Rates of vaccination against COVID-19 are lowest in states with a high prevalence of obesity, say experts in the field, as they urge their patients to take any of the approved COVID-19 vaccines. → https://is.gd/aPeMlk | 18:40 |
| LjL | oh, you aren't unmuted, it's just that i'm opped up. fair enough. | 18:41 |
| LjL | FYI others are not seeing what you type | 18:41 |
| LjL | and neither am i now | 18:41 |
| Banban` | ok then,this is not the channel for me, have a nice day/night goodbye | 18:43 |
| LjL | have i missed anyone? should i /cs clear users just to be sure? | 18:44 |
| LjL | it seems like the only meaningful thing that happens here anymore on a daily basis when i join is i have to kick and ban left and right | 18:45 |
| LjL | the other day someone went screaming to network staff that i was a "crypto-conservative" because i wasn't banning a presumed anti-vaxxer (Banban, i think, incidentally)... which was occurring while... i was having dinner | 18:45 |
| LjL | now i have the terrible habit of having dinner with my phone next to me, so i got highlighted by that | 18:46 |
| LjL | but just how moronic is that | 18:46 |
| LjL | sigh | 18:46 |
| LjL | ketas, saying that ops and moderators should be killed removes even the small benefit of the doubt you had | 18:47 |
| Raf[m] | <LjL "it seems like the only meaningfu"> Not for me, I usually find some really intriguing articles from the bots and good discussions to follow. You shouldn't have to be so tied to your phone, are there any other mods in this channel to help control trolls/spammers? | 18:49 |
| Justin[m]12 | As an admin, how do you make it so you can see what someone says but not anyone else? | 18:49 |
| Raf[m] | in the IRC days you could give someone +v (voice) I think. man, it's been years | 18:50 |
| Raf[m] | when an admin sets up a channel they decide if people have voice by default when they join, and they can always take it away | 18:50 |
| Raf[m] | I'm on Matrix now though, so I don't know if it's different | 18:51 |
| LjL | Justin[m]12, on Matrix, to the best of my knowledge, you don't. on Libera you set mode +z | 18:51 |
| LjL | (and then you have to be opped up) | 18:51 |
| Justin[m]12 | Ah, yes I forget this was an IRC room. permissions on matrix are lacking | 18:51 |
| ATAD | Justin[m]12: This channel has mode +z, which means "op moderated"; it makes it any users on the "silence" list (+q instead of +b) has their messages go to operators | 18:52 |
| LjL | if any... since i'm not usually opped up, i don't usually see those. and i'm thick enough that this time it took me a while to realize he wasn't dodging the quiet but i was simply +o'd with the channel +z'd | 18:52 |
| LjL | Raf[m], thanks... es there are other mods. but i don't have specific expectations on when they should ban someone. i specifically avoided having definite polices in this channel, the document i linked to stano earlier is the closest i have to that. i've seen channels become entrenched in policies and didn't like it. i wanted this one to be less stressful since the topic itself is already very stressful. not sure it's working out. | 18:55 |
| LjL | s/es/yes/ | 18:55 |
| Raf[m] | my 2 cents, is that yes it is working out | 18:57 |
| LjL | good to know. maybe i just need to take longer breaths :) | 18:58 |
| LjL | Justin[m]12, yup that's one thing that makes me not super at ease with Matrix. last time i had a troll very intently evading on the Matrix side, the only realy thing i could do was keep banning quickly, and sending an email to support@, but that took weeks to get answered. on Libera, i have some more tools in my kit (although sometimes they are still not enough), and if i need staff they don't have a policy of only handling things by email | 19:01 |
| LjL | actually | 19:01 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Italy, there have been 4.3 million confirmed cases (7.1% of the population) and 127905 deaths (3.0% of cases) as of 33 minutes ago. 75.3 million tests were performed (5.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 3.7% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). Italy: +4254 cases (now 4.3 million), +21 deaths (now 127905) since 22 hours ago. See https://www.epicentr | 19:06 |
| LjL | hmm, for countries where it knows the number of tests and can compute the rough fatality rate, adding the cases from the past 24 hours, plus not specific websites per countries, clearly makes it exceed one message's worth of length | 19:07 |
| LjL | i think i can probably make the language a little bit terser, but that won't help very much | 19:08 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 19:17 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Italy, there are 4.3 million confirmed cases (7.1% of all people) and 127905 deaths (3.0% of cases) as of 44 minutes ago. 75.3 million tests were done (5.7% positive). Fatality can be expected to lie between 3.7% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-dashboard or https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/en/ | 19:17 |
| LjL | (i haven't removed the daily update, it's just when i restart the bot it goes away) | 19:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: NHS workers in England offered 3% pay rise: Nurses and other NHS workers will get the extra 'in recognition of unique impact of pandemic' on staff. → https://is.gd/qyOkHh | 19:22 |
| qkall | %stats us | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | qkall: In United States, there are 34.5 million confirmed cases (10.5% of all people) and 616671 deaths (1.8% of cases) as of 57 minutes ago. 518.7 million tests were done (6.7% positive). Fatality can be expected to lie between 2.8% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20States | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | qkall: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about United States, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 19:31 |
| LjL | hi yuta, are you happy about the covidlympics | 19:48 |
| yuta | LjL:lol | 19:49 |
| yuta | LjL:increasing infections in Tokyo. | 19:49 |
| ATAD | LjL: May I send you a msg? (please /accept me) | 19:49 |
| yuta | Go to gold medal :P | 19:49 |
| LjL | ATAD, oh, i thought i had removed my +g. | 19:50 |
| LjL | yuta, at least it's behind closed doors. it could have been worse. | 20:01 |
| Timvde | %stats Belgium | 20:04 |
| yuta | LjL:I see. if so , it is better :( | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: list indices must be integers, not str (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 248, in covid) | 20:04 |
| Timvde | Ehhh, LjL? :P | 20:04 |
| LjL | Timvde, yeah i messed it up ;( | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +30587 cases (now 4.2 million) since a day ago — Isle of Man: +244 cases (now 3000) since 23 hours ago | 20:06 |
| LjL | %cases belgium | 20:07 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Belgium, there are 1.1 million confirmed cases (9.6% of all people) and 25213 deaths (2.3% of cases) as of 12 hours ago. 16.6 million tests were done (6.7% positive). Fatality can be expected to lie between 3.3% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://epistat.wiv-isp.be/covid/ | 20:07 |
| ATAD | Ohh, Python! Yay! | 20:08 |
| joerg | on an irrelevant sidenote, I didn't see any of ketas' posts anyway, guess why (hint: there's /ignore ) | 20:11 |
| joerg | this one even years old and inherited from other channels | 20:12 |
| LjL | he's banned and he was previously quieted for several days so you wouldn't see them anyway | 20:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Jul 21, 2021: School buses and COVID mRNA COVID vaccine protection → https://is.gd/RZjxdd | 20:14 |
| IndoAnon | yuta: you in tokyo? | 20:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Coffee, Veggies May Lower Your Odds for COVID: New research suggests drinking coffee, eating vegetables and having been breastfed may offer some protection against COVID. → https://is.gd/KBbDYV | 21:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): AUTOPSIA PAZIENTE VACCINATO (Siamo bombe ad orologeria???): Autopsia paziente vaccinato, Tiboni (MIC): “La Spike che danneggia le cellule trovata in ogni organo. Chieste spiegazioni al Ministro della Sanità”. Scritto da Redazione ASICategoria: Politica Nazionale Pubblicato: 14 Giugno 2021 → https://is.gd/D5prHb | 21:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Why the 2nd Dose of Pfizer Vaccine Is So Crucial: New research finds the second dose of Pfizer's vaccine is key -- it makes a huge impact on the COVID vaccine's effectiveness. → https://is.gd/sItjok | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Should Children Get COVID Vaccines? What the Science Says: A healthcare worker administers a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine to a teenager at Holtz Children's Hospital in Miami, Florida, U.S., May 2021. → https://is.gd/4NDOCY | 23:10 |
| yuta | IndoAnon:yes | 23:20 |
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