libera/##covid-19/ Thursday, 2021-07-22

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BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India’s excess deaths during COVID could be over 4 million → https://is.gd/rlAs3n00:12
LjLThe WebMD article is sort of interesting but I find they're always annoyingly written and perhaps a bit sensationalist00:30
LjLBut I'm also not sure the thing it says is so great is necessarily a great thing, aside from its action on sars-cov-2, if it somehow turns normally inflammatory cells into "antiviral" cells00:31
BrainstormNew from The Lancet (Online): [Comment] Scaling up urban infrastructure for physical activity in the COVID-19 pandemic and beyond: Urban design, planning, and transport play an important role in the promotion of physical activity.1 Since 2010, active transportation systems and active urban design have been recognised as among the best investments for [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/sK0XXv00:33
himesamathat is disturbing.  it's great to encourage exercise, but not great to require it.  exercise and physical activity in some diseases, including long covid, is contraindicated and can make them sicker long term including permanently.  not to mention frail people in general.00:43
himesamato find that it was deliberate urban planning is chilling, especially if this is the uk that is breeding lc.00:45
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: World Health Organization officials warn of vaccine desperation in Central America and the Caribbean, asking wealthier nations to increase vaccine donations to a region where immunization rates are still dangerously low → https://is.gd/stmg3n01:03
LjLhimesama: eh? It's talking about Sydney and Mexico City making kilometers of cycle lanes quickly in 2020. It was done here too. That's hardly "requiring physical activity" and cycle lanes have long been considered a good thing to make... Are we reading the same thing?01:10
himesamaok my bad.  althuogh i read the wrong part and got something different01:12
himesamas/got/concluded blearily/01:13
LjL%w blearily01:14
BrainstormLjL, blearily  — adverb: 1. In a bleary manner → https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/blearily01:14
LjL%w bleary01:14
BrainstormLjL, bleary  — adjective: 1. Tired, having senses dulled by exhaustion → https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bleary01:14
himesamanot awake01:15
LjLI would say yay learned new word but pretty sure I'll forget it01:16
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: What Vaccinated People Should Really Know About the Delta Variant’s Threat to Them → https://is.gd/CtafAj01:55
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Peru arrests state hospital workers for charging COVID-19 patients $21,000 per bed → https://is.gd/jeDIYR02:47
imaginaryhah, happening in gt as well, except for the arrests part02:49
LjLimaginary, would have to self-arrest i assume03:11
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The Pandemic Was a Boon For Right-Wing Extremism → https://is.gd/VZnBt303:48
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Two doses of Pfizer, AstraZeneca shots effective against Delta variant, study finds → https://is.gd/XwjBQA04:20
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Joe Biden says getting vaccinated ‘gigantically important’ → https://is.gd/vz5S0o05:22
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: South African firm to make Pfizer vaccine, first in Africa → https://is.gd/3ocH2W05:33
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: YouTube says it pulled Bolsonaro videos for Covid-19 misinformation → https://is.gd/RtBOSW05:54
joerggtt?06:13
joerg-t06:13
BrainstormNew from This Week In Virology: TWiV 782: An antibody for all sarbecoviruses: On this episode, broadening of immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 after mRNA vaccine booster to ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, five-fold underestimation of the number of cases in the US during the first six months of the pandemic, and a monoclonal antibody that broadly neutralizes many [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/fhGVDO06:15
BrainstormNew from EurekAlert!: Mobility restrictions can have unexpected impacts on air quality: Reduced mobility induced by the COVID-19 restrictions had only minor influence on particulate pollution levels according to atmosphere studies in the Po Valley region of northern Italy. Eventually computer simulations indicated that the change in air quality led to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/hDx0BN06:26
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: World Brain Day 2021: How does Covid-19 affect the brain? → https://is.gd/WfKLcV06:36
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19 origins : China rejects WHO proposal to return to Wuhan → https://is.gd/wts1XN06:46
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Seven days in medicine: 14-20 July 2021: Covid-19Face coverings will continue in healthcareAnyone accessing or visiting an NHS hospital or any other healthcare setting must continue to wear a face covering and follow social distancing rules... → https://is.gd/OTJsdl07:58
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Art and Culture: From Partition to pandemic, Krishen Khanna’s canvas encompasses it all → https://is.gd/lltkBt08:39
BrainstormNew from WHO Euro: Mental health should be a human right for all: In a bold demonstration of solidarity, senior health officials from the WHO European Region today made clear their commitment to address the mental health crisis unfolding across the Region, made worse by the devastating impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic. → https://is.gd/WPxajQ08:49
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | July 22, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/xR12rr09:10
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: YouTube removes Bolsonaro videos for Covid misinformation → https://is.gd/3Uq2Hy09:52
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Australia and New Zealand pull out of Rugby League World Cup in England over Covid concerns → https://is.gd/oBzFvG10:22
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Public health officials have tools to beat back Covid again. Does anyone want to use them?: With Covid cases surging again in much of the U.S., tools like social distancing and mask mandates could still make a measurable difference at a critical moment — but not if… → https://is.gd/6ArqNx10:32
BrainstormNew from StatNews: STAT+: Happify to release prescription app to treat depression under loosened FDA rules: Leveraging FDA regulations loosened during the pandemic, Happify Health plans to launch new prescription-only software to treat depression. → https://is.gd/DYBf6M10:43
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Opinion: Proven ways to boost Covid-19 vaccination: mandates plus nudges: Evidence-based tools can make us all safer and more secure by making vaccination the default choice in Americans' everyday lives — in schools, businesses, and hospitals. → https://is.gd/LDm6ku10:54
SpearRavenfn main(vaccine){take}10:56
BrainstormNew from ProPublica: Operation Fox Hunt: How China Exports Repression Using a Network of Spies Hidden in Plain Sight: by Sebastian Rotella and Kirsten Berg ] ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. On the hunt again, the cop from Wuhan rolled into New [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HIjEwk11:14
thirdwhlIn Australia, the state of Queensland will close its borders to New South Wales from 1am tomorrow as Sydney records yet another day of triple figure cases11:35
thirdwhl(that's AEST, btw)11:36
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Covid-19: The UK’s political gamble that bodes ill for health and the health service: If you tolerate this, sang the Manic Street Preachers, your children will be next. Are we willing to tolerate the risk of severe illness and long term sequelae of covid-19 in UK children now that... → https://is.gd/j77NjI11:46
BrainstormNew from ScienceNews: The coronavirus cuts cells’ hairlike cilia, which may help it invade the lungs: Images show that the coronavirus clears the respiratory tract of hairlike structures called cilia, which keep foreign objects out of the lungs. → https://is.gd/8sfDCH12:07
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BrainstormNew from Politico: UK’s coronavirus ‘pingdemic’ puts pressure on food supply: The NHS Test and Trace system obliges workers to self isolate if they have been in contact with someone who tested positive for COVID-19. → https://is.gd/Lk2bgn12:17
BrainstormNew from Retraction Watch: Two Texas studies on COVID-19 retracted because ‘previously approved study protocols appear to violate IRB guidelines around prisoner research’: A journal has retracted a pair of studies on Covid-19 in prisoners after the authors’ institution found that they had not obtained adequate ethics approval for the research.  [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ctJ78k12:28
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BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China refuses further inquiry into Covid-19 origins in Wuhan lab → https://is.gd/UOCgRZ12:49
SpearRavenbat soup or deliberate12:53
SpearRaveneveil either way12:53
BrainstormNew from WHO Euro: Supporting Uzbekistan throughout the COVID-19 pandemic: Throughout the pandemic – and even before – WHO has provided a range of support to Uzbekistan to strengthen the country’s pandemic preparedness, to develop communication materials to inform, educate and engage the population, to boost laboratory testing capacity, and to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/LSkXBQ12:59
BrainstormNew from ECDC: ECDC: Data for the maps in support of the Council Recommendation on a coordinated approach to the restriction of free movement in response to the COVID-19 pandemic in the EU/EEA → https://is.gd/o2qmzJ13:09
BrainstormNew from ECDC: Data on the daily number of new reported COVID-19 cases and deaths by EU/EEA country: The downloadable data file is updated daily and contains the latest available public data on COVID-19. Each row/entry contains the number of new cases and deaths reported per day and per country in the EU/EEA. → https://is.gd/tBASDi13:20
BrainstormNew from ECDC: Data on COVID-19 vaccination in the EU/EEA: The downloadable data files contain information on COVID-19 vaccination in the EU/EEA. The data are presented in the Vaccine Tracker and collected through The European Surveillance System (TESSy). → https://is.gd/tmWhQm14:11
BrainstormNew from The Atlantic: The Only Thing Uniting Unvaccinated People Is That They’re Unvaccinated: Last week, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that COVID-19 is “ becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated .” President Joe Biden said much the same shortly after. They are technically correct. Even against the fast-spreading Delta variant , the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/nPLAbH14:21
BrainstormNew from WHO Euro: Slovenia showcases strength of primary health care during visit from Regional Director: Employing 1637 staff, the Community Health Centre (CHC) Ljubljana, located in the Slovenian capital, provides comprehensive care to over 422 000 residents. This includes preventive health care, treatment of chronic diseases, and response to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/jCGoOM14:31
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BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Biogen defends its controversial Alzheimer’s drug; critics pan Pfizer plan for Covid-19 shot production in Africa → https://is.gd/H7PRpN15:34
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid: China rejects WHO plan for second phase of virus origin probe → https://is.gd/d4M7XF15:55
BrainstormNew from EMA: News and press releases: (news): COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen: Guillain-Barré syndrome listed as a very rare side effect, PRAC, 22/07/2021 → https://is.gd/5cDTZu16:05
specingHah, getting there to the AZ side effect list16:18
BrainstormNew from Science-Based Medicine: Long COVID: Alternative medicine sees a business opportunity: With vaccines transforming the risk and consequences of a COVID infection, the health burden of "long COVID" may become a lasting consequence of the pandemic. Alternative medicine senses a business opportunity. The post  first appeared on Science-Based [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/gvsCfx16:37
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Health: When Covid first hit, prostate cancer surgeries fell much more for Black men than white men → https://is.gd/rCtqDh17:08
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China ‘Shocked’ By WHO’s Plan To Investigate Covid-19 Lab Leak Theory → https://is.gd/6sIgYK17:19
joerg>>Council Recommendation on a coordinated approach to the restriction of free movement<< hmmm, sounds good17:24
martini_man[m]https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/07/the_covid_pandemic_narrative_takes_another_hit.html17:35
BrainstormNew from BMJ: US life expectancy plunged in 2020, especially in Hispanic and African Americans: Life expectancy in the United States fell by 1.5 years in 2020 as the covid pandemic battered the country, exposing stark disparities that saw black and Hispanic Americans die at far higher rates... → https://is.gd/zAhBn817:40
martini_man[m]https://greatgameindia.com/israel-report-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects/17:50
BrainstormNew from WebMD: In a Race Against an Ever-Changing Virus, Humans Losing Ground: The virus behind COVID-19 is evolving fast enough that vaccination efforts may not be able to wipe it out. → https://is.gd/sZ3TlX17:51
martini_man[m]https://www.globalresearch.ca/attorney-files-lawsuit-against-cdc-based-sworn-declaration-whistleblower-claiming-45000-deaths-reported-vaers-all-within-3-days-covid-19-shots/575062017:58
martini_man[m]https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/21/johns-hopkins-study-found-zero-covid-deaths-among-healthy-kids/18:03
byeltsinneurologist's thoughts about long rona (translator used):18:46
byeltsinAccording to the latest research, it surprisingly seems that especially for young people, under 30 years of age and those with mild illness, long-term Korona comes more often than others18:46
byeltsin"A new finding is that patients with long-term corona have virtually no covid antibodies18:47
byeltsinhttps://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&u=https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008141136.html  https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008141136.html18:47
byeltsin"A revealing outbreak among gold miners   infected with #P1 #GammaVariant in French Guiana—55% of 44 infected—no severe but 87% symptomatic—65% fever, 22% difficultly breathing. Attack rate was 60% in fully Pfizer-vaccinated, 75% in unvaccinated miners18:51
byeltsinhttps://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/141824568248235623118:51
LjLmartini_man[m], well, at least you can't be accused of using right-wing think-thank biased sources... i mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky#Centre_for_Research_on_Globalization looks legit18:52
* LjL closes his eyes and doesn't look at what byeltsin is posting since he's already feeling depressed18:53
byeltsincome on, its party time. im here!18:53
BrainstormNew from New Scientist: Covid-19 news: Weekly cases in England hit highest level since January: The latest coronavirus news updated every day including coronavirus cases, the latest news, features and interviews from New Scientist and essential information about the covid-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/SvaXjp18:54
byeltsini need to find some uk news of breakthroughs increasing a lot, to cheer you up18:54
LjLbyeltsin, other French overseas territories have Beta or at least that's what i remember reading yesterday as a justification for the UK restricting entry from France and France saying it wasn't in the continental part18:55
byeltsini didnt find the source to this claim yet. in finnish article, translator used:19:02
byeltsin"In the UK, some 30,000 a day a day have been diagnosed in the unvaccinated this week. For partially or fully vaccinated, infections increased by 43 percent to approximately 23,000 diagnosed infections19:02
LjLper day, too?19:03
LjLwell i guess so since the total is around 50k daily19:03
specingIs the UK going for herd immunity?19:04
LjLspecing, i'm not sure if they used the term this time, but they've fully reopened, so19:06
LjLbut this time at least a good portion of the "herd" is immune *from vaccination*19:07
specingherd death :P19:07
LjLwell, or sort of immune, given all the breakthroughs19:07
byeltsinyeah. sounds worrying, but then again if everyone is vaccinated, then every infection would be a breakthrough19:07
byeltsin.title https://www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/bytq34n0u19:07
Brainstormbyeltsin: From www.ynetnews.com: Israel reports sharp decline in Pfizer coronavirus vaccine efficacy19:07
LjLbyeltsin, okay, but if the total number of infections were "13", then that'd sound less worrying than "50,000 a day"19:07
byeltsini really try to avoid the number 13 personally19:08
LjLsuperstitious?19:08
byeltsinno19:08
byeltsini just avoid it19:08
byeltsinlike lifting weights, often 13 reps would be great. i usually do 12 or 14 instead19:09
LjLokay OCD then!19:09
specingIts probably superstition19:10
byeltsincome on, every fisherman has stuff like that too, like avoiding bananas in boat19:10
LjLyes, superstition :P19:10
LjL(well, i say "yes" but it's the first time i hear of that)19:10
byeltsinno, its just bad luck19:10
LjLyes, superstition19:11
LjLfor me personally, i always avoid having people with nicks starting with the letter B and containing L in my channels19:12
LjLit's Bad Luck!19:12
LjLthat's better, now i'm sure the breakthroughs will improve19:13
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Oral Covid Vaccine Set To Begin Trials In Israel → https://is.gd/fcsIrU19:15
LjLnixonix, what i'd like to know is how many of the breakthrough infections are from each type of vaccine19:20
LjLideally by age group given different age groups had different vaccines19:21
nixonixi just some ab comparisons, ill find the link (antibodies is not all, they differ due to cellular immunity too)19:24
nixonixheres a guy translating ilkka's tweets for some reason, but if you open that ilkka's tweet, its in a thread with other interesting graphs from england: https://twitter.com/zin_zah/status/141823890368175718919:25
nixonixi just *saw19:25
nixonixthis on has too, but there was another one, when i remember where it was  https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/141315228857985025219:29
nixonixthis one19:30
nixonixah, it was in dereks blog19:31
nixonix.title https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/07/21/how-well-does-the-jj-vaccine-work-against-the-delta-variant19:31
Brainstormnixonix: From blogs.sciencemag.org: How Well Does the J&J Vaccine Work Against the Delta Variant? | In the Pipeline19:31
nixonix.title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260426v1.full19:33
Brainstormnixonix: From www.medrxiv.org: Persistence of neutralizing antibodies a year after SARS-CoV-2 infection | medRxiv19:33
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China Has Rejected A WHO Plan For Further Investigation Into The Origins Of COVID-19 → https://is.gd/aBXnNp19:36
LjLugh19:37
nixonixi finally figured how i can use this pandemic era gained knowledge of biosciences. i will design bioweapons against selected insect, starting from ticks that have increased a lot in finland19:38
LjLnixonix, so among cases, the hospitalized people are now roughly the same as the previous wave regardless of age; and as to cases, they are almost the same in the vaccinated as the unvaccinated?19:38
nixonixso dont wonder if you some day hear, that ticks have strangely disappeared from finland19:38
LjLi need to go to my regular "everything's fine if you look carefully" person with this data for reassurance ;(19:38
LjLthere were a lot of hopping little things last time i was in the grass (in the park here in the city, nothing countryside) trying to approach a bunny19:39
LjLnot sure if all ticks or what, but i wasn't happy about it19:40
dTalticks don't hop19:40
LjLoh19:40
LjLokay then19:40
dTaland I envy your life so far, that you don't know that19:40
LjLprobably misplaced envy19:41
nixonixi think green insects arent bad. somehow i seem to hate them less. they try to hide, so they probably dont bother you19:41
nixonixif its the same gene that causes green, my bioweapon could identify it and leave them alone19:42
LjLnixonix, as to https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1413152288579850252 how does he know what's sufficient or insufficient to avoid the disease, if the Nature study just looks at the ratios in vitro?19:43
nixonixive posted a lot of links about correlates of protection during the last week or so. its not like 100%, but they have some idea19:44
martini_man[m]<LjL "martini_man, well, at least you "> The real name of the virus is Communism-19.19:45
nixonixthis one looks friendly https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/658/d941ecd35760054a81314b8c91a3c231.jpg.webp19:51
nixonixi think i will let those live19:51
nixonix.title https://thebridge.in/tokyo-2020/czech-olympic-team-covid-outbreak-vaccination-vlastimil-voracek-2326519:54
Brainstormnixonix: From thebridge.in: Unvaccinated doctor led to COVID outbreak in Czech Olympic team19:54
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Russia battered by deadly COVID 3rd wave → https://is.gd/OzHuA819:56
LjLOur PM is making a press conference, including about the approval of the green pass, but I missed the beginning and now I want to have a walk outside so I won't do the quicktranslatething20:05
nixonixanother article, the same neurologist has more comments on long covid. the article is behind paywall, so i used google's translator and uploaded https://dpaste.com/7YKNCZ9UY#wrap20:05
nixonixsoon we will see how these cruises, apparently mostly for vaccinated persons only, will go this year20:10
nixonixwhile in estonia they give free tickets to minicruise for all those that agree to have a vaccine during the cruise20:12
nixonix.title https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/experience/cruise/2021/07/10/american-cruise-lines-alaskan-cruise-canceled-positive-covid-tests/7926157002/20:13
Brainstormnixonix: From eu.usatoday.com: American Cruise Lines cruise canceled after 3 positive COVID-19 tests20:13
specing> cruise20:14
specingaka floating petri disk20:14
specingdish*20:14
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: Study: 2 COVID vaccine doses much more effective than 1 against Delta: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Jul 22, 2021 Two doses of the Pfizer or the AstraZeneca vaccine were 80% effective against Delta. → https://is.gd/GUemzf20:17
specingHow's that news?20:23
SaturdaySundayHELLO20:24
LjL We're going to require the green pass for restaurants, pubs and bars except outdoors, cinema, gyms, and probably some other things I forget; and they haven't decided yet but it might be required on public transport or maybe just long distance trains20:27
nixonixhttps://twitter.com/x2IndSpeculator/status/141423081074456576320:31
nixonixfrance planned it just for long distance trains, according to some article20:32
nixonixhttps://twitter.com/erlichya/status/141750015049119744520:34
specingLjL: we've had that for months now20:37
LjLspecing: but... The green pass hasnt even existed for months? O.o20:38
specingLjL: yeah, we've had our own certifications: either proof of vaccination, proof of negative test in 48h or proof of positive test older than 14 days20:39
specingAs of 23 august, testing will no longer be free20:39
LjLBut no vaccine?20:39
LjLOh nm20:39
LjLI'm reading while walking20:39
specingWe've had unregistered mass vaccinations for 1-2 months20:40
specingotherwise the priority lists are still at 50+20:40
LjLI meant whether the certificate didn't cover vaccination but I had a reading failure20:45
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Penile Shrinkage and Facial Paralysis Among Symptoms of Long Covid, Study Finds → https://is.gd/FRY55U20:49
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: News Scan for Jul 22, 2021: Child-to-adult COVID-19 spread Other respiratory viruses amid COVID Funds for infectious diseases, antibiotic resistance → https://is.gd/HHInbE21:09
BrainstormNew from NPR: The Lambda Variant: What You Should Know And Why Experts Say Not To Panic: Cases of the variant have popped up in several states. But neither the WHO or CDC consider it a variant of concern, and the fast-spreading delta variant continues to dominate U.S. cases. → https://is.gd/3jMKHc21:20
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BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'My career appears to be over': Former head of vaccine rollout says sudden firing was devastating → https://is.gd/WX5xNE21:51
LjLI have a question from a friend, although I suspect it's not directly answerable21:57
LjL"If the fully vaccinated are infected with Delta do they shed less virus than unvaccinated infected? Studies?"21:57
LjLhttps://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/comunicato-stampa-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-30/1751422:01
LjLvery bad idea i think to change the criteria for ramping up restrictions from cases to hospitalization. it may be more robust, but it's way more delayed.22:01
nixonixyes they shed less, on average. some of them are very hard to get positive pcr, and the results are cycle numbers. i dont remember studies, but anecdotal stories like from that finnish hospital outbreak22:14
nixonixand that was with indian variant, which is a high shedder22:15
nixonixtheres that table in this quality media article. i havent searched for the sources of those numbers yet, though:22:19
nixonix.title https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9791983/Up-Brits-doubled-jabbed-AstraZeneca-Covid-symptoms-compared-Pfizer.html22:20
Brainstormnixonix: From www.dailymail.co.uk: Up to a THIRD more Brits doubled jabbed with AstraZeneca could get Covid symptoms compared to Pfizer | Daily Mail Online22:20
nixonixand the results are *very22:25
nixonix*high cycle numbers22:25
nixonixtypos after typos, because i wrote number one three earlier...22:26
nixonix.title https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/22/china/china-who-second-origin-study-intl-hnk/index.html22:47
Brainstormnixonix: From edition.cnn.com: Covid-19 origins: Chinese government rejects WHO plan for second phase of origins study - CNN22:47
pwr22For the first time ever I do not see @de-facto in this room 😲22:48
nixonixhe's on a break22:48
pwr22😲 ?22:49
pwr22What sort of break?22:49
nixonixwho knows22:49
nixonixprob the origin too...22:50
nixonixit would have been funny, if WHO had sent daszak again to wuhan22:51
nixonixmaybe its the plan, first china refuses, then they later give up, and daszak makes another trip22:52
nixonixwe have a saying "goat guarding a cabbage field" - in english i think its fox guarding a chicken coop22:55
nixonix.title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.23.432474v223:01
Brainstormnixonix: From www.biorxiv.org: SARS-CoV-2 causes brain inflammation and induces Lewy body formation in macaques | bioRxiv23:01
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): COVID19: Delta variants of SARS-CoV-2 cause significantly increased vaccine breakthrough COVID-19 cases in Houston, Texas → https://is.gd/YuX2o123:04
nixonix"It is remarkable that a relationship between the presence of antibodies to coronaviruses that cause the common cold, coronavirus OC43 and 229E, in the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) and Parkinson’s disease was reported nearly twenty years prior to the current pandemic by Stanley Fahn and colleagues23:08
nixonix.title https://movementdisorders.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mds.87007021023:09
Brainstormnixonix: From movementdisorders.onlinelibrary.wiley.com: Cerebrospinal fluid antibodies to coronavirus in patients with Parkinson's disease - Fazzini - 1992 - Movement Disorders - Wiley Online Library23:09
nixonix.title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41531-020-00123-023:10
Brainstormnixonix: From www.nature.com: COVID-19 and possible links with Parkinson’s disease and parkinsonism: from bench to bedside | npj Parkinson's Disease23:10
nixonix.title https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7403860/23:11
Brainstormnixonix: From pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Two coronaviruses isolated from central nervous system tissue of two multiple sclerosis patients - PubMed23:11
nixonixHCoVs attack the nervous system, both directly and indirectly, through a wide range of mechanisms, providing varied neurological outcomes in infected patients. This literature review shows the magnitude and breadth of neurological conditions associated with HCoV infections, including COVID‐1923:13
nixonix.title https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7404592/23:14
Brainstormnixonix: From www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Neuropathogenic human coronaviruses: A review23:14
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: Delta-driven COVID-19 surges worsen in parts of Asia: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Jul 22, 2021 Multiple groups call for addressing major global vaccine inequality issues. → https://is.gd/rWjwp523:14
nixonix.title https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18842892/23:14
Brainstormnixonix: From pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Neuroprotective effect of apolipoprotein D against human coronavirus OC43-induced encephalitis in mice - PubMed23:14
nixonixits antioxidant and anti-inflammatory. maybe protects from oxidative stress and dna damage too then23:21
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: White House announces new COVID-19 funds: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Jul 22, 2021 Also, ACIP continues to recommend the J&J COVID vaccine despite concerns over Guillain-Barre syndrome. → https://is.gd/zquxV323:25
nixonixRecent in-silico studies64,65 propose that, in addition to ACE2, a second mechanism may enable cellular endocytosis of SARS-CoV-2. Similar to MERS-CoV, and in contrast to SARS-CoV, SARS-CoV-2 appears to display high binding affinity to sialic acid residues, providing an additional candidate for binding23:27
nixonixSialic acid residues are found on plasma membrane proteins of many cell types, including neurons, and are very highly expressed in the upper respiratory tract23:27
LjLthere was another candidate for binding that we (?) discussed a while ago, wasn't there23:29
nixonixseveral, like neuropilin-1 and cd147. and a few others have been suggested, but maybe with lesser certainty23:33
LjLseveral, hurray23:34
nixonixburma aka myanmar rocketing. and taiwan seems to have lots of covid deaths compared to identified cases lately23:34
LjL%cases myanmar23:34
BrainstormTypeError: list indices must be integers, not str (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 248, in covid)23:34
LjLgah23:34
LjLi thought i fixed this23:34
nixonix%cases burma23:34
BrainstormTypeError: list indices must be integers, not str (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 248, in covid)23:34
BrainstormUpdates for United States: +79201 cases (now 34.6 million), +512 deaths (now 617195) since a day ago — South Africa: +31098 cases (now 2.3 million), +949 deaths (now 68625) since 2 days ago — France: +21557 cases (now 5.9 million), +24 deaths (now 111651) since a day ago — Mexico: +15198 cases (now 2.7 million), +397 deaths (now 237207) since a day ago23:36
BrainstormUpdates for South Africa: +31098 cases (now 2.3 million), +949 deaths (now 68625) since 2 days ago — France: +21557 cases (now 5.9 million), +24 deaths (now 111651) since a day ago — Cuba: +7745 cases (now 308599), +65 deaths (now 2137) since a day ago — Vietnam: +5537 cases (now 71144), +36 deaths (now 370) since a day ago23:36
LjL%cases myanmar23:36
BrainstormLjL: In Myanmar, there are 253364 confirmed cases (0.5% of all people) and 6133 deaths (2.4% of cases) as of 31 seconds ago. 3.0 million tests were done (8.3% positive). Fatality can be expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). +6701 cases, +319 deaths since a day ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Myanmar23:36
BrainstormLjL: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Myanmar, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it.23:36
LjL%tell ljl ok23:36
BrainstormLjL, I'll pass LjL your message when they are around.23:36
LjLnot sure why double post either23:37
LjL%cases taiwan23:38
BrainstormLjL: In Taiwan, there are 15511 confirmed cases (0.1% of all people) and 782 deaths (5.0% of cases) as of 2 minutes ago. 3.4 million tests were done (0.5% positive). Fatality can be expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 5.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). +58 cases, +9 deaths since 2 days ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan23:38
BrainstormLjL: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Taiwan, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it.23:39
dTalheh23:41
LjL(for the record, there *is* a line in the code that's supposed to stop it from saying that when i'm the one asking, but, eh)23:42
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Argentina threatens to cancel deal for Sputnik vaccine as Russia fails to deliver → https://is.gd/Nu6hKb23:45
nixonixA recent study that included 550,000 households in England has revealed that both the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and BNT162b2 vaccines were able to decrease the transmission from a vaccinated and infected member of the household by 40-50% compared to unvaccinated cases.23:52
nixonixAnother study that was conducted in Scotland and Finland has shown the reduction of transmission among household members of vaccinated individuals, when compared with unvaccinated healthcare workers23:52
nixonix.title https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210720/Researchers-examine-the-effectiveness-of-the-Pfizer-BioNTech-COVID-19-vaccine-in-reducing-household-transmission.aspx23:52
Brainstormnixonix: From www.news-medical.net: Researchers examine the effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in reducing household transmission23:52
nixonixso that dm table might have used those studies as a source. it had around 50% reduction23:54
LjLbut iirc that was from a while ago, it says 20 July but i remember a very similar if not identical study that is older...23:57
LjLif it's older then it's probably not looking at what happens with Delta23:57
LjL%links household23:57
BrainstormLjL, https://www.publichealthscotland.scot/news/2021/march/covid-19-vaccine-linked-to-a-reduction-in-transmission/ (Covid-19 vaccine linked to a reduction in transmission) in a Scottish study, not yet published, examining around 300000 healthcare workers, and finding that compared to unvaccinated workers, vaccination results in a 30% reducting in COVID-19 among members of the [... want %more?]23:57
LjLoh, maybe similar but different then23:57
LjL%more23:57
BrainstormLjL, [...] vaccinated workers' households after the first shot, and 54% after the second, nothing that this of course underestimates protection because household members can also be infected from other sources → https://paste.ee/p/EdAa823:57
BrainstormLjL, [...] Medicine . → https://paste.ee/p/iAx5v23:57

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