libera/##covid-19/ Monday, 2021-08-02

nixonixsome ct values https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/141436196852636467200:00
Turbo_Techhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7492688/00:01
de-factoMIS-C?00:01
Turbo_TechYes00:01
de-factohopefully not, that would be really bad, they have their full life in front of them00:02
nixonix.title https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/science/immune-system-has-long-term-defenses-after-mild-covid-19-children-may-be-key-2021-05-24/00:02
Brainstormnixonix: From www.reuters.com: Immune system has long-term defenses after mild COVID-19; children may be key carriers of virus variants | Reuters00:02
Turbo_Techhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25994612/00:03
nixonix^^ the latter part of the title00:03
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Florida Accounts for 1 in 5 New COVID Cases as DeSantis Sells Anti-Fauci Shirts → https://is.gd/k1LBgc00:04
de-factooh wow and each CT value is double viral load than before hence 2^CT00:04
Turbo_TechVitamin D in Corona Virus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Related Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C)     https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.648546/full00:04
Turbo_TechI am afraid the only thing we can do for children right now is to get rid of sugar from their diet and pump them up with anti-Oxidants to try to tamp down inflammation.00:06
Turbo_TechThat is my opinion.00:07
de-factoarent mRNA trials currently runnig for even younger?00:08
LjLi think so but iirc the FDA or the CDC said they don't even think vaccinating 12-18 is a good idea for now?00:08
LjLmaybe they'll change their minds quickly...00:08
de-factoimho its not about transmission or such, its about preventing immune system to freak out about the antigen when its naive and first sees it with delta00:09
de-factobut yeah were currently have nothing to protect the young children, quite sad00:10
de-factobecause with closed schools etc they already carried a big burden00:10
Turbo_Techde-facto that is absolutely right about the immune system overreaction as being the main problem.00:11
Turbo_TechOur School in Texas were open and we had full sport seasons.00:12
nixonixhttps://twitter.com/MichaelSctMoore/status/141896133050191872000:12
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Sky News Australia suspended, handed a strike from YouTube for COVID-19 misinformation → https://is.gd/Y3PnCV00:14
nixonixisrael starting to vacc 5-11 yo. not ready trials, but i think they have some data. currently recruiting down 2 yo or something if i recall00:15
nixonixpfizer believes its oral mpro inhibitor (name is some series of numbers, in this article). those need to be started within week of infection00:18
nixonix.title https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-antiviral-pill-treat-covid19-at-home/00:18
Brainstormnixonix: From newatlas.com: The hunt for an antiviral pill to treat COVID-19 at home00:18
nixonixthey said it reduces viral load dose dependent way, which is a sign it works00:20
de-factowell yeah but how does it relate to the likelihood of the initial viral replication being able to start the immune system runaway cytokine storm? maybe if it can prevent the virus to enter the lungs until immune reaction can contain and reduce viral load?00:22
de-factobut then it would be most effective if given really early00:22
nixonix.title https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00193-0/fulltext00:24
Brainstormnixonix: From www.thelancet.com: Neurological manifestations of SARS-CoV-2 infection in hospitalised children and adolescents in the UK: a prospective national cohort study - The Lancet Child & Adolescent Health00:24
Turbo_TechViral Load Increased over 1000 times.  Viral infection and transmission in a large, well-traced outbreak caused by the 2 SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.07.21260122v2.full.pdf00:28
nixonix.title https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.30.210063600:28
Brainstormnixonix: From www.eurosurveillance.org: Eurosurveillance | An outbreak caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant (B.1.617.2) in a secondary care hospital in Finland, May 202100:28
Brainstormnixonix: From www.eurosurveillance.org: Eurosurveillance | An outbreak caused by the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant (B.1.617.2) in a secondary care hospital in Finland, May 202100:28
nixonixthis one: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/19340-outbreak-in-haemeenlinna-hospital-led-to-hundred-infections-dozen-deaths.html00:29
nixonixdamn, forgot to ask him about his symptoms00:30
Turbo_TechWe test everyone who is going to be admitted.00:30
nixonixpcr or rapid tests?00:30
nixonixi suppose rapid, if its hurry...00:31
de-facto.title https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(21)00248-6/fulltext00:31
de-facto"The sensitivity of RDT compared to RT-qPCR was 42·57% (95% CI 33·38%–52·31%). The specificity was 99·68% (95% CI 99·48%–99·80%). Sensitivity declined with decreasing viral load from 100% in samples with a deduced viral load of ≥10^8 SARS-CoV-2 RNA copies per ml to 8·82% in samples with a viral load lower than 10^4 SARS-CoV-2 RNA copies per ml."00:31
Brainstormde-facto: From www.thelancet.com: Clinical performance evaluation of SARS-CoV-2 rapid antigen testing in point of care usage in comparison to RT-qPCR - EBioMedicine00:31
nixonixwell at least indian variant has good viral loads...00:35
de-factoheh00:35
nixonixbut also those self-made tests have even lower sensitivity, because people probably dont do it the way it was supposed to do00:35
nixonixand in russia, they touch either inside of cheek or just tongue (said soccer hooligans)00:36
Turbo_TechOh I am sorry I left the room.  We test with PCR00:37
nixonixhow quick you get the result?00:38
Turbo_TechWe have three Different instruments that test by PCR00:38
Turbo_TechWe use a Cephiad Gen xpert.  It takes an hour for our PCR test.00:42
joergde-facto: (re https://www.pitch-study.org/PITCH_Dosing_Interval_23072021.pdf ) where are the damn "Figures"? >>depending on the variant tested (Figure 3A),<<00:43
joerga problem of my pdf-reader?00:45
joergor some supplementary paper with charts only? I don't get it00:46
de-factoyeah i also wondered about that, since they got the captions, one after the other in the tail00:49
nixonixthere is appendix for that00:52
joergmaybe the "parent study" SIREN?00:52
nixonixFigures_Appendix_PITCH_Dosing_interval_23072021.pdf00:52
nixonixprob the same url in front00:52
joergdang! thanks, will look there00:53
de-factohttps://www.pitch-study.org/Figures_Appendix_PITCH_Dosing_interval_23072021.pdf00:53
joergI guess the most relevant statement in there is >>  By contrast, the T cell response is well maintained after one then two doses, and is of a marginally lower magnitude after the longer dosing interval when measured by the ELISpot assay of T cell effector function, yet shows a more developed memory cell phenotype compared with the 3-4 week dosing interval.<<00:54
joergnixonix: de-facto: many thanks!00:54
nixonixyeah, cd8 was lower with long interval, and cd4 higher00:54
joergmore developed memory cell phenotype  is the nice thing00:55
joergDrosten phrased that as "broader and longer lasting memory" (OWTTE)00:56
nixonixis it 3-4 weeks in germany, for mrna?00:57
nixonixsweden is going to 4 weeks. they used to have 6-7 weeks i think00:57
nixonixuk reduced to 8 weeks "as a sweet spot"00:57
grythey never did this 'bring number of cases to zero' with flu - why is it being done with covid19?00:58
de-factowith Moderna they booked me at 6 weeks automatically00:58
joergfor me it was 12 weeks for AZ+BNT mixed match00:58
nixonixin finland, some areas are allowed to give the 2nd shot faster, down to 8 weeks, if people want (areas that have enough vaccines)00:58
nixonixused to be 11-1200:59
joergso I guess I have as good as it gets by now00:59
joerggry: hi! who tries to "bring number of cases to zero"?01:00
de-factowow there is a TON of data in there, need to look at that in detail when i am more awake01:00
Turbo_TechFlu was nonexistant this year and you could probably blame Masks, Hand Washing and appearently toilet paper hoarding.01:01
gryjoerg: well in australia we have lockdown 'until number of new cases a few days in a row is zero' as the claimed target01:01
nixonixborder restrictions too01:01
gryjoerg: i would instead prefer to emphasize the hospitalization rates and to reduce them01:02
nixonixthere was some flu in europe, but not much. not that many imported cases from asia, and then the restrictions in the winter01:02
joerggry: so far for australia this worked fine, no?01:02
nixonixsub-saharan africa had a lot more flu. but not sars2 (excluding SA - possibly couple other countries near it, but not sure)01:02
de-factoi have to admit i envy Australia a bit for going with zero-covid strategy, i wish we would consider doing the same here01:03
Turbo_TechOk so definately the toilet paper01:03
Turbo_Techthey do not have any in Africa01:03
de-factobut its much too late for that here now01:03
gryjoerg: yes, though i suspect with delta it is taking a huge effort01:04
gryjoerg: and i suspsect it may re-appear in future01:04
joergde-facto: we'd need to make whole eurasian continent "zero" and forbid *all* travel in (and out)01:04
nixonixisnt it mostly just sydney area01:04
gryyes, it is01:05
grymoved to south west of sydney now01:05
de-facto.cases AUS01:05
Brainstormde-facto: In South Australia, Australia, there are 859 confirmed cases (0.0% of all people) and 4 deaths (0.5% of cases) as of 3 days ago. 36159 tests were done (2.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Australia01:05
Turbo_TechOk so explain,  I keep hearing you guys talk about Cluster Diff Cells.  What is the basics on why the Vaccine stimulation is important.01:05
Brainstormde-facto: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about South Australia, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it.01:05
de-factobelow 1k deaths in Australia01:05
joergI think Australia did incredibly well so far with managing the pandemic, but they should speed up a tad with getting vaccinated, no?01:09
joergde-facto: below 1k *cases*?01:10
de-factonope01:11
LjL%cases australia01:11
BrainstormLjL: In Australia, there are 34384 confirmed cases (0.1% of all people) and 924 deaths (2.7% of cases) as of 11 hours ago. 25.2 million tests were done (0.1% positive). Fatality can be expected to lie between 2.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia01:11
LjL"aus" makes it pick the first thing that contains that01:11
gryjoerg: does the vaccine help the vaccinee to have a less severe sickness if they do catch it; or does it help them to be a weaker spreader also? and how did this work for previous vaccines (mmr; chicken pox; etc)?01:11
himesamadoes are mean have been?01:12
gryhimesama: are mean have been does?01:12
gryhimesama: in other words: that question seems to be misworded, to me01:12
himesama16:11 <Brainstorm> LjL: In Australia, there are 34384 confirmed cases01:12
gryyes01:12
himesamaperhaps it should say have been01:13
nixonixthey will get it less often (maybe around 80% efficacy for recent mrna vaccination), so they are less likely to trasmit if they didnt get infected. but if they get infected, the viral loads are lower for most, so less spreading01:14
nixonixefficacy above means for getting the infection, pcr positive01:14
joerggry: I'd say the vaccine does both. Though the reduced spreading is relative regarding variant, for delta they found *IF* you catch it despite vaccination, then the amount of shedded virus is almost identical to unvaxed people01:15
nixonix.title https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34250518/01:16
Brainstormnixonix: From pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Decreased infectivity following BNT162b2 vaccination: A prospective cohort study in Israel - PubMed01:16
nixonixthat daily mail article had a table - i havent tracked down all its numbers yet. anyone has the link?01:16
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: COVID in Vermont: State Is First to Vaccinate 70% of Eligible Kids → https://is.gd/CaquT801:17
LjLhimesama, it used to say "have been". i have taken some shortcuts because after i added daily changes to that message (you don't see that for Australia because they haven't had daily changes recently), and after i added custom URLs for some locations (also not available for Australia), the whole message would start getting longer than IRC allows01:19
gryjoerg: and does the vaccine reduce the likelyhood of you catching it?01:19
gryjoerg: speaking only about delta variant01:19
joerggry: yes, of course01:19
LjLhimesama, do you think "there were" would work better?01:19
himesamaLjL: no01:19
gryjoerg: by how much?01:19
himesamaunless you mean a specified period01:20
LjLya know what01:21
LjLBrainstorm, reload covid01:21
BrainstormLjL: <module 'covid' from '/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py'> (version: 2021-08-01 23:21:22)01:21
de-facto"The mean Ct-value was significantly higher in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated (27.3±1.2 vs. 22.2±1.0, p<0.001) and the proportion of positive SARS-CoV-2 antigen tests was also significantly lower among vaccinated vs. unvaccinated PCR-positive HCW (80% vs. 31%, p<0.001). "01:21
LjL%cases australia01:21
BrainstormLjL: Australia has had 34384 confirmed cases (0.1% of all people) and 924 deaths (2.7% of cases) as of 11 hours ago. 25.2 million tests were done (0.1% positive). Fatality can be expected to lie between 2.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia01:21
BrainstormLjL: An error occurred while searching.01:21
LjL%active australia01:21
BrainstormLjL: Australia has 4458 active cases, while 29926 have recovered, for a theoretical case fatality rate of 3.0% as of 11 hours ago. 25.2 million tests were done (0.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia01:21
himesamagood01:21
de-facto2^(27,3−22,2) ~ 34-fold01:22
nixonixso that would be kinda half way between kent and indian variant01:24
nixonix34^2 = 1000 or a bit more01:24
joerggry: the jury is still out on that. Israel says 39%, UK says iirc 66% - or even 80%?01:25
joergI think both are wrong01:26
de-factowe need VE(time, age)01:26
joergthose are ballpark figures calculated by complex statistical tricks from very fuzzy real world data01:26
LjLnixonix, which daily mail article do you mean? i wasn't exactly following now01:26
nixonixthe one that had table of transmission numbers and stuff. without source for them01:27
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Ex-GOP lawmaker links jump in COVID infections on the 'tremendous rise of ignorance in the House GOP' → https://is.gd/asCVSG01:27
nixonixit had three sources mentioned, but not so that you could easily find them01:27
LjLof course, it would be too easy01:28
joerggry: anyway even with delta, the benefit of a BNT/ModeRNA vaccination autperforms the risks hands down01:28
joerggiven the even higher efficiency, a mixed match AstraZeneca + mRNS is also worth it in my book, particularly when you're an old fart like me that is immune to AZ side effects ;-D01:30
gryjoerg: so, it protects the vaccinee, from two issues - risk of catching, and risk of having a severe symptoms01:30
gryjoerg: with delta, doesn't seem to protect anyone else but me01:30
nixonixshould have saved the link in my notes. its just it feels stupid to save daily mail links01:31
joergyes, pretty much, except you protect others too by protecting yourself01:31
joergsince obviously if you don't catch it you can't spread it01:32
de-factoand if you got a breakthrough, its with lower viral shedding and also for shorter times01:33
de-factoyet the most important thing probably is significantly lower risk to end up on severe progression01:33
LjLnixonix, i'm looking at logs but i'm still not really sure which article you mean based on the titles. anyway, https://is.gd/xpld3l has searchable logs of this channel if that would helpl01:37
nixonixmy own fault im using web client with no logs to grep01:38
gryjoerg: about chicken pox etc - do they also reduce the likelyhood of catching the virus?01:39
gryand how exactly does this work? if my immune system is more trained - this should still mean i can catch a virus equally easily, just suffer a shorter and lighter sickness, no?01:39
Turbo_TechHow do you train an immune system?01:41
joergI didn't hear about any such effects. What I heard was an alleged benefit from other vaccinations like iirc TBC and pneumonia? This was over a year ago though01:41
joergIf that had any truth in it, it's probably obsolete by now01:41
LjLnixonix, this article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9791983/Up-Brits-doubled-jabbed-AstraZeneca-Covid-symptoms-compared-Pfizer.html and this table https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/15/19/45493891-9791983-image-m-17_1626372234129.jpg ?01:43
nixonixthanks, it was it01:44
nixonixsince i feel stupid to put that in my notes, ill prob be asking that again01:44
nixonixmaybe you could put it in topic?01:44
LjLnixonix, https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001169/S1301_SPI-M-O_Summary_Roadmap_second_Step_4.2__1_.pdf page two01:45
LjLnixonix, lol you're not coaxing to putting me a daily mail link in the topic :P01:46
nixonixhow did you find the source for that table, was there a link in the article, which i didnt notice?01:47
LjLnixonix, i googled "imperial warwick lshtm vaccination"01:47
LjLwhen multiple universities provide this sort of data, it's usually some agency of the UK gov putting together three or four studies from them01:48
nixonixwd, i think i tried to google some of that, but not all at once. i thought they used 3 sources01:48
nixonixbut they had an easier route...01:48
LjLthey do01:49
nixonixtoo bad they dont try harder, they have often interesting stuff, but too much noise and inaccuracies. and missing links, but other msm dont have links too often either01:49
nixonixk, later01:52
LjLboo01:59
LjLi was too late01:59
LjL%tell nixonix https://www.zotero.org/groups/4391070/covid-links/ https://www.zotero.org/groups/4391070/covid-links/library02:00
BrainstormLjL, I'll pass nixonix your message when they are around.02:00
LjLhere's the first shiny document uploaded to our new experimental Zotero page - a Daily Mail article!02:00
dTal%tell Brainstorm %tell Brainstorm hi02:00
BrainstormdTal, I'll pass Brainstorm your message when they are around.02:00
LjL%tell dTal h4x0r02:01
BrainstormLjL, I'll pass dTal your message when they are around.02:01
dTalhello02:02
dTaldid it work02:02
LjLyou probably got a PM02:02
dTalI mean my thing02:02
LjLnah02:02
LjLBrainstorm, hi02:02
dTalaw02:03
LjLBrainstorm, no i mean seriously, say something so we can see if dTal's thing worked02:03
LjLuff02:03
* de-facto pets Brainstorm02:03
* Brainstorm starts to radiate de-facto with some insolent smoothness 02:03
LjLwhy haven't i enabled Markov for this channel? every channel NEEDS markov02:03
LjLokay maybe not, also i don't wanna02:07
BrainstormHiya02:07
BrainstormI fear I've been contaminated02:07
de-factoexposure to the markov may severely damage bots ability to make some sense02:09
BrainstormUpdates for France: +15755 cases (now 6.2 million), +20 deaths (now 111978) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +1917 cases (now 1.9 million), +3 deaths (now 17972) since 21 hours ago — United Kingdom: +18441 cases (now 5.9 million), +51 deaths (now 129834) since 21 hours ago — Canada: +269 cases (now 1.4 million) since 21 hours ago02:38
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: At least 18 provinces in China sound alarm about COVID-19, the worst in months → https://is.gd/iBTnMd03:17
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japan's COVID-19 cases rise 87% during first week of Olymics → https://is.gd/jJ2rUn03:27
himesamais that coincidental?03:36
LjLhimesama, the olympics? yes03:38
LjLthey had started clearly rising before any of the athletes came in03:38
joerghah! I bet that won't make the great headlines, au contraire a lot of people will blame olympia for the rise03:56
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Berlin protesters decry coronavirus measures; 600 detained → https://is.gd/VfRzQi03:58
LjLjoerg, well, on reddit at least, there are certainly the people who are like "yeah this was obvious, olympics blah blah" but sooo far it has seemed that some sanity gets injected by someone and manages to end up near the top comment03:59
joergI wonder who that somebody been ;-)04:05
joerg600 Berlin Querdenker (Leerdenker) protesters detained - *thumbs-up*04:10
joergactually I prefer "Schwerdenker" [Thinking-impaired]04:11
LjLonly sometimes me!04:17
himesamaidk what those 2 words mean.  are they profiled wrt personality, occupation, etc.?04:31
himesamaone tested hypothesis (fwiw) says they are uncomfortable with things they have not experienced.  (if you translate it to myers-briggs, they tend to be S.  they can't understand abstract or new things as readily as N.  (otoh about 3/4 of all humans are those, and they aren't all protesting.))  so... make it concrete?04:36
himesamain germany are they politically aligned?04:37
himesamai vote against markov type stuff if that matters; it could confuse newcomers04:41
LjLokay no markov04:48
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China to donate to Gaza 500,000 COVID-19 vaccines produced in Egypt → https://is.gd/RhvLz204:50
joerg!tr <de Querdenker05:08
joerg%tr <de Querdenker05:08
Brainstormjoerg, German to English: Unconventional thinker (MateCat) — Mavericks (MateCat) — Lateral thinker (Google)05:08
joerg%tr <de schwergängige schraube05:12
Brainstormjoerg, German to English: stiff screw (MyMemory, Google)05:12
joerghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_over_COVID-19_policies_in_Germany05:14
himesamahuh05:14
himesamaso like aids rethinkers or so05:14
joergcolloquial: idiots05:18
himesamathat article says persecute when it means prosecute and vice-versa05:20
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Florida breaks record for Covid-19 hospitalisations → https://is.gd/l8MPvw05:42
joergI didn't write it :-)05:42
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Berlin protesters decry coronavirus measures; 600 detained → https://is.gd/PjHfMe06:23
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Wuhan lab report raises further questions about possible COVID-19 lab leak → https://is.gd/ukHZkS06:54
himesamajoerg: thanks for posting it06:56
himesamai just correct things06:59
himesamawhat was the wuhan lab actually working on?  and why?06:59
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: US is wasting vaccine doses, even as cases rise → https://is.gd/kgu7nr07:45
BrainstormUpdates for Arizona, United States: +2306 cases (now 929541), +5 deaths (now 18251) since a day ago — Punjab, Pakistan: +815 cases (now 357735), +8 deaths (now 11067) since 21 hours ago — Sverdlovsk, Russia: +520 cases (now 107941), +22 deaths (now 4380) since a day ago — Perm, Russia: +467 cases (now 73526), +30 deaths (now 3248) since a day ago08:02
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: To fight vaccine lies, authorities recruit an ‘influencer army’ → https://is.gd/DKnd9w08:06
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: How US local media spreads misinformation from vaccine skeptics → https://is.gd/St2pDK08:17
BrainstormUpdates for India: +40134 cases (now 31.7 million), +444 deaths (now 424644) since 15 hours ago08:39
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Where a vast global vaccination program went wrong → https://is.gd/lFAWnx09:09
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Millions Under Virus Lockdown As China Battles Delta Outbreak → https://is.gd/de8pUK10:00
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pakistan reckons with its ‘gender terrorism epidemic’ after the murder of Noor Mukadam → https://is.gd/UfR9qU10:31
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: World Breastfeeding Week: How to breastfeed when the mother is Covid-positive → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/world-breastfeeding-week-how-to-breastfeed-when-the-mother-is-covid-positive-7434293/10:46
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +1319 cases (now 3.8 million) since 21 hours ago11:33
BrainstormNew from Science-Based Medicine: Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine, take 4: Bret Weinstein misrepresents meta-analyses: Evolutionary biologist turned podcaster Bret Weinstein has promoted the anthelmintic drug ivermectin as a highly effective treatment for COVID-19 based on a massive misunderstanding of a meta-analysis. Here, we correct this [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/qgW0hA12:07
AndrewYuOh no!12:17
AndrewYuOur city has one case of Delta12:17
BrainstormUpdates for Switzerland: +3 deaths (now 10906) since 2 days ago12:35
BrainstormNew from WHO Euro: COVID-19 cases top 60 million in European Region, says WHO/Europe: The number of COVID-19 cases in the WHO European Region has passed the milestone of 60 million since the pandemic began, new data from WHO/Europe shows. → https://is.gd/evsFOH12:39
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vaccine passport: Almost 300 fraudulent claims rejected → https://is.gd/HzdfeW12:49
Trippy72894Sorry for the silly question: I am vaccinated. If someone with delta coughs right in my face, can I simply not get it because I am vaccinated, or will I certainly get it but likely have mild or no symptoms?12:59
Trippy72894This is a question all my friends are asking, and media doesn't seem to say.13:04
generaas far as i undertand it the someone with need a higher amount of cough13:06
Trippy72894Ah, I see. So, harder to catch.13:07
generathat is why you continue to wear a mask13:08
Trippy72894Here in Hainan, an island province of china, we stepped out of the house, and leaving our building was a worker saying we have to wear a mask outdoors.13:09
Trippy72894One single case in the city.13:09
Trippy72894QR codes to get into our building. Malls require QR for neg test, masks, and temp check13:09
Trippy72894Delta!13:09
Trippy72894They are taking it seriously here in China.13:10
BrainstormNew from BioNTech: BioNTech to Report Second Quarter Financial Results and Operational Update on August 9, 2021: Mainz, Germany, August 2, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) – BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX, “BioNTech” or “the Company”) will announce its financial results for the second quarter on Monday, August 9 th , 2021. BioNTech invites investors and the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rz0A7P13:10
Trippy72894Kids will be vaccinated here soon, en masse, so that will raise rates.13:10
Trippy72894En masse in China means "EN MASSE!" hahaha13:10
Trippy72894So, how solid is that fact you said: "as far as i undertand it the someone with need a higher amount of cough"13:11
Trippy72894?13:11
generavery weak13:12
Trippy72894oh13:12
generabut then again, Delta is new13:12
Trippy72894Is it you or the info that is out there?13:12
Trippy72894Like, you are informed, but the info out there is weak?13:13
generajust memory. i read it somewhere. problby in here.13:13
Trippy72894Okay. Hey, thanks!13:13
Trippy72894Where are you?13:13
genera.de13:13
Trippy72894Please don't say Earth13:13
Trippy72894ah germany ok13:13
Trippy72894Sorry. Not Earth would be best.13:13
generathey are temperature-testing kids here too, before they enter a physicians practice13:14
Trippy72894Like "That smarter planet over there." would be the best answer13:14
generathats the only hard data point i have :)13:14
Trippy72894What about entering schools13:14
Trippy72894?13:14
Trippy72894In september.13:14
generawell they are opening schools now.13:15
Trippy72894and?13:15
generaend of summer vacation13:15
Trippy72894QR neg test?13:15
Trippy72894temp check?13:15
Trippy72894masks?13:15
generaand not everyone is happy with that13:15
Trippy72894not happy with what? those things?13:15
Trippy72894...or temp checks only?13:15
generauh. i didnt care to look13:15
generanot happy with opening while there is no valid news on Delta13:16
Trippy72894People on the streets and in malls with masks?13:16
generaindoors.13:16
Trippy72894ah, yes, good reason to be not happy. I'd keep schools closed.13:16
Trippy72894Indoors, understood.13:16
generasupermarkets check.13:16
generacommunal offices too13:16
Trippy72894Ah ok13:17
Trippy72894How are you coping?13:17
generawell13:18
Trippy72894good!13:18
genera:-)13:18
joergre >>[1 Aug 2021 05:12:04] <joerg> that's a good question. I wondered if those folks are so scared that the truth could be ... true that they search as much support and applause as possible for their delusionary universe they built for their own mind<< I wonder what's the reason for such shit like the Ivermectin one debunked (or not?) here https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ivermectin-is-the-new-hydroxychloroquine-take-4-bret-weinstein-misrepresents-meta-13:24
joerganalyses/?utm_source=rss  - mere ivermectin production shareholder interests?13:24
joergsorry https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/ivermectin-is-the-new-hydroxychloroquine-take-4-bret-weinstein-misrepresents-meta-analyses/?utm_source=rss13:25
generainteresting. since today i can visit any Impfzentrum that i choose. no one told me13:30
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Covid: Where and why is the US vaccine rollout slowing down?: Vaccinations in the US are slowing as infections rise - we've looked at where and why this is happening. → https://is.gd/3VMW6H13:30
generahttps://www.kreis-bergstrasse.de/magazin/artikel.php?artikel=9137&menuid=47313:30
BrainstormNew from Politico: Tensions rise within Biden team over mask reversal: The president’s team had a meticulously crafted agenda in mind. But pandemics don’t care for carefully laid out plans. → https://is.gd/7ZMEwL13:41
BrainstormUpdates for Iran: +37189 cases (now 3.9 million), +411 deaths (now 91407) since a day ago — Israel: +1745 cases (now 877316) since 19 hours ago — Nepal: +2279 cases (now 699649), +23 deaths (now 9898) since a day ago14:08
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: About 99.999% of fully vaccinated Americans have not had a deadly COVID-19 breakthrough case → https://is.gd/5TrnIx14:53
BrainstormNew from StatNews: No new monkeypox cases reported after health officials monitor hundreds: No new cases of monkeypox have been identified among the people monitored for possible exposure after they came into contact with an infected person last month, the Centers for Disease… → https://is.gd/tDLyFh15:25
BrainstormUpdates for Switzerland: +2019 cases (now 719684) since 2 hours ago15:29
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Pfizer and Moderna raise Covid-19 vaccine prices for Europe; FDA to speed full approval of Pfizer shot → https://is.gd/QyEMyB15:36
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Covid-19: Delta infections threaten herd immunity vaccine strategy: Epidemiologists are adjusting their expectations for the future course of the pandemic after data from a recent outbreak in Massachusetts in the US suggest that while vaccination remains highly... → https://is.gd/AMvd3q15:57
BrainstormUpdates for Serbia: +386 cases (now 722607), +4 deaths (now 7122) since 23 hours ago16:06
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Il Presidente Draghi incontra i sindacati ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/il-presidente-draghi-incontra-i-sindacati/17559 )16:43
BrainstormNew from Politico: France’s Beaune: Higher vaccine prices due to Delta variant adaptation: PARIS — The price increase for Pfizer and Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccines is caused by the jabs’ adaptation to the Delta variant, France’s Junior Minister for European Affairs Clément Beaune said today. “To have more demanding contracts with products [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rQCpmk16:59
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +1232 cases (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago17:02
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Monday 02 August 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/3Mtes717:10
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Covid-19: Bhutan fully vaccinates 90% of adult population in a week— here’s how → https://is.gd/bxJQO517:20
BrainstormUpdates for Bangladesh: +15989 cases (now 1.3 million), +246 deaths (now 21162) since a day ago — Burundi: +292 cases (now 7372) since 2 days ago17:33
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Where a vast global vaccination program went wrong → https://is.gd/QwdG9H17:52
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +28805 cases (now 5.9 million) since 23 hours ago18:11
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: To fight vaccine lies, US authorities recruit an ‘influencer army’ → https://is.gd/AZ510J18:12
BrainstormNew from In The Pipeline: The Mirror World: Now this is a paper that’ll make your head spin. It’s from the Zhu group at Tsinghua University, and the head-spinning will be both because of the subject matter and the amount of work involved. So let’s get chiral – first, a bit of background for readers who don’t think about this stuff all the The [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/J01Vde18:23
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Il Presidente Draghi visita la sede operativa del Dipartimento della Protezione Civile ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/il-presidente-draghi-visita-la-sede-operativa-del-dipartimento-della-protezione-civile )18:43
BrainstormNew from Politico: Coronavirus: Fewer people to be told to self-isolate in wake of UK coronavirus ‘pingdemic’ → https://is.gd/dDXhEv18:44
pas42%cases NL18:53
Brainstormpas42: Netherlands has had 1.9 million confirmed cases (10.8% of all people) and 17973 deaths (1.0% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 16.1 million tests were done (11.7% positive). +1173 cases, +1 deaths since 5 hours ago. See https://coronadashboard.government.nl/18:53
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Stragi, il Presidente Draghi sigla Direttiva per declassifica documenti Gladio e Loggia P2 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/stragi-il-presidente-draghi-sigla-direttiva-declassifica-documenti-gladio-e-loggia-p2/17563 )18:53
ArsaneritWhy are cases in NL dropping so much?19:02
BrainstormNew from WebMD: Nearly 9 Million Pfizer Shots  in Teens, Serious Side Effects Rare: Some reassuring news about COVID-19 vaccine safety in young people: After millions of teens have received Pfizer's shots, serious side effects have been rare. → https://is.gd/xRCAgG19:05
pas42%cases US19:30
Brainstormpas42: United States has had 35.3 million confirmed cases (10.7% of all people) and 620280 deaths (1.8% of cases) as of 29 minutes ago. 529.9 million tests were done (6.7% positive). Fatality may lie between 2.8% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). +21784 cases, +64 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20States19:30
Brainstormpas42: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about United States, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it.19:30
LjLthe hacking attack against the region of Latium's services (including vaccine booking) is still "ongoing" apparently, although i don't know what exactly they mean by "ongoing", and it involves ransomware. aside from booking, it also means vaccines that are being done are slower because everything, including the codes for providing the green pass, are being written by hand :|20:02
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): COVID19: Coronavirus infection is rife in a common US deer species → https://is.gd/M9Gjr520:08
generait might be that there is no hacking attack at. but just that someone brought an virus  into the officce LAN and that later brought ransomware with it. we will see.20:26
BrainstormUpdates for Israel: +3130 cases (now 878931), +9 deaths (now 6486) since 19 hours ago — Italy: +3185 cases (now 4.4 million), +20 deaths (now 128088) since a day ago — France: +24 deaths (now 111993) since 23 hours ago20:40
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: COVID-19 Scan for Aug 02, 2021: Age and COVID-19 symptoms COVID versus excess deaths → https://is.gd/SErExG21:00
BrainstormUpdates for N. Mariana Is.: +6 cases (now 196) since 6 days ago21:05
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid care home deaths 'could be thousands higher' due to 'death warrant' policy → https://is.gd/hZlYS621:21
BrainstormUpdates for Spain: +55939 cases (now 4.5 million), +157 deaths (now 81643) since 2 days ago21:30
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Most Australians comfortable with vaccination passports for domestic travel and venues, poll reveals → https://is.gd/9PVlLY21:52
BrainstormNew from Our Zotero group: Olfactory dysfunction and chronic cognitive impairment following SARS-CoV-2 infection in a sample of older adults from the Andes mountains of Argentina.: Type Conference Paper Author Hernan P. Zamponi Author Leonardo Juarez-Aguaysol Author Gabriela Kukoc Author Maria Eugenia Dominguez Author Belén Pini Author Eduardo G. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/OU2Hx322:02
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Media Outlets Called Out for Framing of Covid Cases in Fully Vaxed → https://is.gd/WXDTkR22:13
de-facto.title https://imgur.com/a/X7jyVWD https://i.imgur.com/2aMaSKN.png "COVID Germany: 1st vaccination per population" data: https://impfdashboard.de/static/data/germany_vaccinations_timeseries_v2.tsv22:19
Brainstormde-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: 1st vaccination per population - Album on Imgur22:19
de-factoapproximation functions: vaccinations[t] = 0.64 / (1 + Exp[(130 - t) / 28]) and vacc_rate_daily_perc_approx[t] = 100 (0.64 / 28) Exp[(130 - t) / 28] / (1 + Exp[(130 - t) / 28)])²22:19
de-factomeaning if things continue as right now we will end up with 64% Germany vaccinated, but there are 83.5% of population over 18 years old, hence 19.5% over 18 are not taking it yet, thats almost every fifth German22:27
de-factonot good enough by long shot, we are talking about 16,38M citizens over 18 that are not protected22:28
Arsaneritmaybe they take it later22:31
de-factomaximum vaccination rate was 2021-05-11 at the middle of the decay of the Alpha wave in Germany when we had a daily progress of almost 0.57% for 1st vaccination shots22:32
de-factothe raw data can be seen visualized at https://impfdashboard.de/22:33
ArsaneritBremen is above 70% already22:38
de-factoyeah also needed the least doses (absolute)22:43
de-factosame for second, Saarland22:44
BrainstormNew from Our Zotero group: Vaccine effectiveness when combining the ChAdOx1 vaccine as the first dose with an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine as the second dose: Type Journal Article Author Mie Agermose Gram Author Jens Nielsen Author Astrid Blicher Schelde Author Katrine Finderup Nielsen Author Ida Rask Moustsen-Helms Author Anne Katrine Bjørkholt Sørensen [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/RAaduF22:44
de-factoheh thats neat :))22:46
BrainstormNew from Our Zotero group: Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against the B.1.617.2 variant: Type Journal Article Author Jamie Lopez Bernal Author Nick Andrews Author Charlotte Gower Author Eileen Gallagher Author Ruth Simmons Author Simon Thelwall Author Julia Stowe Author Elise Tessier Author Natalie Groves Author Gavin Dabrera Author Richard Myers [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/oYScCU22:55
BrainstormNew from Our Zotero group: Dysregulation of brain and choroid plexus cell types in severe COVID-19: Type Journal Article Author Andrew C. Yang Author Fabian Kern Author Patricia M. Losada Author Maayan R. Agam Author Christina A. Maat Author Georges P. Schmartz Author Tobias Fehlmann Author Julian A. Stein Author Nicholas Schaum Author Davis P. Lee [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HnHFOd23:05
BrainstormUpdates for Bosnia and Herz.: +130 cases (now 205785), +2 deaths (now 9689) since 3 days ago23:09
BrainstormNew from Our Zotero group: mRNA vaccine-elicited antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 and circulating variants: Type Journal Article Author Zijun Wang Author Fabian Schmidt Author Yiska Weisblum Author Frauke Muecksch Author Christopher O. Barnes Author Shlomo Finkin Author Dennis Schaefer-Babajew Author Melissa Cipolla Author Christian Gaebler Author Jenna A. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/4pNJFr23:15
BrainstormNew from Our Zotero group: Interim findings from first-dose mass COVID-19 vaccination roll-out and COVID-19 hospital admissions in Scotland: a national prospective cohort study: Type Journal Article Author Eleftheria Vasileiou Author Colin R. Simpson Author Ting Shi Author Steven Kerr Author Utkarsh Agrawal Author Ashley Akbari Author Stuart Bedston [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ScrptR23:26
BrainstormNew from Our Zotero group: SARS-CoV-2 exposure in wild white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus): Type Journal Article Author Jeffrey C. Chandler Author Sarah N. Bevins Author Jeremy W. Ellis Author Timothy J. Linder Author Rachel M. Tell Author Melinda Jenkins-Moore Author J. Jeffrey Root Author Julianna B. Lenoch Author Suelee Robbe-Austerman Author [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tLL5zz23:36
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Australia deploys helicopters, hundreds of troops to keep people at home in strict new lockdowns in Sydney → https://is.gd/VcwoIC23:57

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