| sdfgsdfg | right about covid being nasty* | 00:00 |
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| LjL | sdfgsdfg, 31... reminds me, since it's the same age, of this news article i read among the many that get posted here. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/09/1035489298/tiktok-covid-vaccination-megan-blankenbiller-hospital this woman was 31 | 00:01 |
| sdfgsdfg | she looks overweight though | 00:01 |
| LjL | yes | 00:02 |
| LjL | you're certainly welcome as far as i'm concerned to think you're well and fit enough that COVID won't be a problem for you, and unless/until your government makes the vaccine mandatory, you make your own risk analysis. however the story of "was fit and well and yet..." is kinda common, and even when people don't die, really that shouldn't be their only concern, because Long COVID is common (possibly up to 40% of symptomatic people), and there are indications that | 00:03 |
| LjL | the virus may just stick around in the body for a much longer time than we think | 00:03 |
| sdfgsdfg | I wonder if Extra fat on your neck or chest or across your abdomen can make it difficult to breathe deeply and may produce hormones that affect your body's breathing patterns. You may also have a problem with the way your brain controls your breathing. Most people who have obesity hypoventilation syndrome also have sleep apnea. | 00:03 |
| sdfgsdfg | ahh, I was typing, ignore the first 4 words | 00:04 |
| * sdfgsdfg 3* | 00:04 | |
| nixonix | "We found that COVID-19 patients exhibit dramatic increases in autoantibody reactivities compared to uninfected controls, with a high prevalence of autoantibodies against immunomodulatory proteins including cytokines, chemokines, complement components, and cell surface proteins | 00:04 |
| nixonix | so we can only wait, what kind of autoimmune diseases will follow the infection with sars2 | 00:05 |
| sdfgsdfg | so regardless of the vaccine, the infection itself affects immune system ??? what... | 00:06 |
| LjL | uh | 00:07 |
| LjL | any infection affects the immune system | 00:07 |
| LjL | that's what the immune system is there *for* | 00:07 |
| LjL | of course we'd hope it's only affected insofar as it learns to defeat that infection, but things are often more complicated than that | 00:07 |
| LjL | %wik original antigenic sin | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Original antigenic sin, also known as antigenic imprinting or the Hoskins effect, refers to the propensity of the body's immune system to preferentially utilize immunological memory based on a previous infection when a second slightly different version of that foreign pathogen (e.g. a virus or [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin | 00:07 |
| sdfgsdfg | ok found the paper, Diverse Functional Autoantibodies in Patients with COVID-19 | 00:07 |
| LjL | you learn to defeat one infection, you may become worse at other infections | 00:07 |
| LjL | or... a number of other things since It's Complicated | 00:08 |
| nixonix | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.10.20247205v2.full | 00:08 |
| LjL | %title | 00:08 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.medrxiv.org: Diverse Functional Autoantibodies in Patients with COVID-19 | medRxiv | 00:08 |
| LjL | that's a preprint though, it's published on Nature(!) now | 00:09 |
| LjL | %title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03631-y | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.nature.com: Diverse functional autoantibodies in patients with COVID-19 | Nature | 00:09 |
| LjL | update your links nixonix :P | 00:09 |
| nixonix | ah, nice | 00:09 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Diverse functional autoantibodies in patients with COVID-19 ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/S23VSDMH ) | 00:14 | |
| nixonix | funny how much effort vaccine - hmm - hesitant people put in finding some risks in these approved vaccines (when its pretty much known already, billions vaccinated months ago), compared to the lack of their effort to find out the risks of sars2 infection | 00:22 |
| nixonix | almost billions months ago. over 1.5B doses of mrna, and maybe close to billion doses of dna/mrna/vector vaccines like AZ and Sputnik, by now | 00:23 |
| LjL | and yet the FDA rejected a third dose for younger people, apparently out of a risk/benefit analysis... | 00:26 |
| nixonix | i quoted topol's opinion on that earlier today. ill find the more followed eric's opinion too... | 00:27 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1439023244263235585 | 00:29 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing): "Indeed they should. Like Israel offers to everyone." | nitter | 00:29 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1439022252444602375 | 00:31 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing): "They sure cut off the speaker who was presenting this data for age 16-55– he tried to finish all his slides but couldn’t because they cut his mic. " | El Pajarito de [...] | 00:31 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/saugarmaripuri/status/1439020981444653056 herd immunity by infecting, through waned vax protection or none (most kids). tegnell winning after all, getting what he wanted | 00:36 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Saugar Maripuri (@saugarmaripuri): "The US had an opportunity to crush disease transmission and squandered it. Boosting does reduce infection rates and prevents breakthrough infections. That evidence [...] | 00:36 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.12.21263453v1.full this one has interesting mutations at furin site (cleavage, syncytia, pathogenicity - and possible superantigen) | 00:43 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.medrxiv.org: Spread of Gamma (P.1) sub-lineages carrying Spike mutations close to the furin cleavage site and deletions in the N-terminal domain drives ongoing transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Amazonas, Brazil | [...] | 00:44 |
| dTal | am I alone in thinking that Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding is a hilarious name | 00:49 |
| LjL | heh | 00:58 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.12.21263291v1.full about genes and mechanisms behind neuroinflammation and damage. somewhat complex, or includes lots of stuff im not familiar with anyway | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.medrxiv.org: Olfactory Bulb and Amygdala Gene Expression Changes in Subjects Dying with COVID-19 | medRxiv | 01:04 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/NjbBari3/status/1439275963263586305 | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Dr Noor Bari (@NjbBari3): "Every adult diagnosed with COVID-19 in Idaho is on a universal do not resuscitate order. Every adult. Don’t try to live with the virus. Get vaccinated if you can. Wear a [...] | 01:54 |
| nixonix | checked idaho govt link. true | 01:55 |
| LjL | yikes | 01:58 |
| LjL | though not the first time we hear of such orders (more or less formal/public) | 01:58 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/Darslifemate/status/1439372136183828483 all, not just cardiac events because of rona, according to some tweeters | 02:12 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: SARA (WE NEED JUSTICE) (@Darslifemate): "Erica, I live in Idaho & it is 100% true. It has been stated in every newspaper & online. The hospitals here are extremely understaffed. NOT due 2 Covid so [...] | 02:12 |
| nixonix | idaho has a new member in state's health board, pathologist called Cole, who: "called the coronavirus vaccine "fake" and "needle rape," later telling KTVB it was a "tongue-in-cheek" comment | 02:20 |
| nixonix | .title http://www.ipharminc.com/press-release/2020/9/15/laboratory-testing-of-brilacidin-for-covid-19-in-combination-with-remdesivir-reduces-viral-load-by-nearly-100-percent in human lung cell lines. smells bullshit, though | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.ipharminc.com: Laboratory Testing of Brilacidin for COVID-19 in Combination with Remdesivir Reduces Viral Load by Nearly 100 Percent — Innovation Pharmaceuticals Inc. | 03:05 |
| nixonix | .title https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/rmv.2289 | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From onlinelibrary.wiley.com: Long‐term side effects and lingering symptoms post COVID‐19 recovery - Zarei - - Reviews in Medical Virology - Wiley Online Library | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof Peter Hotez MD PhD (@PeterHotez): So here it is: Since April 100,000 unvaccinated Americans needlessly lost their lives to Covid despite widespread availability of safe effective vaccines. They were defiant succumbing to gross antiscience aggression from the political right, a disgusting “health freedom” movement [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/AM1L3r | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19: Hong Kong lawmaker Regina Ip gets BioNTech jab after no antibodies detected from Sinovac vaccines - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP → https://is.gd/tEYRTJ | 04:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vietnam government draws $113 mln from Covid fund to buy 20 mln doses from Pfizer → https://is.gd/JjLyvJ | 05:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: The Covid crisis is now a garbage crisis, too → https://is.gd/h9IT4O | 06:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Texas Tourists Arrested for Assaulting NYC Restaurant Hostess Checking Vaccine Cards → https://is.gd/UVHSUi | 06:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: People with chronic conditions, Indian backgrounds more susceptible to Covid even after vaccine: UK study → https://is.gd/1QN3ce | 07:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: Intubations and Accusations: It's problematic when a paragon of evidence based medicine claims vaccines spread disease and amplifies internet rumors that doctors killed COVID-19 patients through premature intubations. The post first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://is.gd/ybfDNa | 08:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: World leaders return to U.N. with focus on pandemic, climate → https://is.gd/w4B5eB | 08:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United States: +2763099 cases (now 42.9 million), +37191 deaths (now 691562), +5185957 vaccines (now 211.1 million), +30550840 tests (now 619.0 million) since a day ago — India: +562136 cases (now 33.4 million), +5153 deaths (now 444869), +70477265 vaccines (now 586.1 million), +25805100 tests (now 552.3 million) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 08:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | September 19, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/8Vxnmw | 09:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Artistic hobbies that became entrepreneurial opportunities in the pandemic → https://is.gd/81Y5KD | 09:37 |
| Trippy72894 | if you are vaccinated, get delta, then can you get delta again? | 11:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | in israel where they're administering 4th shot almost half of the hospitalized are vaxxed | 11:13 |
| Trippy72894 | and if you get delta 2 months after being vaccinated, do you notice the disease, or what? | 11:14 |
| sdfgsdfg | how would I know I'm in australia | 11:14 |
| sdfgsdfg | it just started spreading here | 11:15 |
| sdfgsdfg | give it a little more time | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +248 cases (now 4.2 million) since 3 hours ago | 11:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): 19/09/21 - ZOE COVID-19 Study Update: 669,039 people are currently predicted to have symptomatic COVID-19 in the UK, down by 10,567. Yesterday was 679,606 (-2%) and last Sunday was 706,485 (-5%). → https://is.gd/irNqtB | 13:59 |
| Raf[m] | <Trippy72894> "if you are vaccinated, get delta..." <- Delta is not technically an escape variant | 14:06 |
| Raf[m] | The thing about Delta is that it's highly transmissible even if you're vaccinated, but not that's more severe or more likely to cause hospitalization in vaccinated | 14:07 |
| trbp | Raf[m]: i love statistics by the way we all rely on ;) it is nice for example that we here in germany have over 60 percent 1st vaccinated and also over 60 percent 2nd vaccinated.. this adds mathmatically to over 120% | 14:22 |
| trbp | statistics and data bases are fine as long as those working with do really still know what they are about to do with it ;) | 14:23 |
| trbp | that said, yes i guess to be vaccinated is way better than not... but i would be really cautious to make overall conclusions or take fast made as for granted... | 14:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +656 cases (now 784566), +12 deaths (now 11040) since 6 hours ago — New Caledonia: +6 deaths (now 22) since 6 hours ago | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Why a third Covid wave will not be as worse as the second (If there is no new variant, 3rd Covid wave will not be as devastating as 2nd) | 28SEP21 → https://is.gd/nHafnq | 14:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: World leaders return to UN with focus on pandemic, climate → https://is.gd/7B36hL | 15:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US reports over 2,000 daily Covid deaths as new cases dip → https://is.gd/57pid6 | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Our covid times@speedbumpcomic pic.twitter.com/b7g2uWFUQc → https://is.gd/Y1acCT | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +873 cases (now 4.2 million), +3 deaths (now 93558) since 8 hours ago | 16:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): How to convince parents that vaccinating their children is worthwhile and safe, including a review of relevant data on covid and vaccines in kids washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/0… by @HumanitiesMD pic.twitter.com/tvKNkRbc2q → https://is.gd/v6r3sC | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +1383 cases (now 1.5 million), +43 deaths (now 27225) since 9 hours ago | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: More people died in Alabama during 2020 than were born as Covid-19 deaths continue rising in the US → https://is.gd/0Xt9G1 | 17:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: 120,000 U.S. Children Have Lost Primary Caregivers To Covid → https://is.gd/GBNHTK | 18:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +3836 cases (now 4.6 million), +26 deaths (now 130310) since 10 hours ago | 18:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Moderna COVID vaccine shipment about to arrive in Sydney | 7NEWS → https://is.gd/4uSN1v | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): An update on how far behind the US is on rapid testswsj.com/articles/limit… by @Brabbott42 statnews.com/2021/09/16/bey… @statnews @danieloran pic.twitter.com/Q8xcpcfgEW → https://is.gd/Zt3VZt | 19:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: SpikoGen: Cinnagen Covid-19 vaccine's Phase III results likely within two months → https://is.gd/u2Pas9 | 19:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Camelid nanobody anti-SARS-CoV-2 drug candidates → https://is.gd/LRSsvV | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_ITALIA: A novembre il vaccino anche ai bambini di 6 anni → https://is.gd/8p9PUi | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The days of full covid coverage are over. Insurers are restoring deductibles and co-pays, leaving patients with big bills. → https://is.gd/6DlTEQ | 20:44 |
| lastshell | any good news? | 21:17 |
| leakyvax | i think there was one, a few weeks ago or so | 21:20 |
| leakyvax | yeah, baricitinib looked good. yay. maybe it really works | 21:22 |
| leakyvax | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-96720-x | 21:25 |
| Brainstorm | leakyvax: From www.nature.com: Impact of overlapping risks of type 2 diabetes and obesity on coronavirus disease severity in the United States | Scientific Reports | 21:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): I liked this article by @PaulNuki and @sneweyy on the likely future of the pandemic in the UK (no paywall). It's neither gloomy nor cheery. It captures how much on a knife's edge we are and places Covid in its wider context of a major public health crisis.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/… → https://is.gd/QA66eB | 21:26 |
| leakyvax | ljl youd prob like wenseleers more than balloux | 21:27 |
| lastshell | thnks leakyvax | 21:29 |
| leakyvax | .title https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1437553582270681092 | 21:34 |
| Brainstorm | leakyvax: From twitter.com: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): "My (speculative) hypothesis is that fall 2020 was when second waves started occurring in which some fraction of infections would be in recovered individuals. Immunity in [...] | 21:34 |
| leakyvax | hope these waxes dont leak as bad (vs delta) as immunity from natural infection (vs old variants), so the same wont happen when they keep waning | 21:36 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1439485608641146884 (wenseleers disagrees with balloux on things like most selected mutations being neutral for transmissibility) | 21:46 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): "That there is quite rapid evolutionary adaptation in SARS-CoV2. Probably partly as a result of selection on increased immune escape, partly as a result of selection to [...] | 21:46 |
| nixonix | to me it looks like wenseleers is more right | 21:47 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1439306318326665217 some say, that they are good with vaxes in cuba | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): "For the Abdala vaccine, they claimed 92% efficacy in preventing symptomatic Covid, but again no formal preprint or article out yet... [...] | 21:49 |
| aradesh | does anyone know if this is true? it's a major newspaper, but it just sounds too far fetched to be accurate: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1486843/Australia-coronavirus-news-Daniel-Andrews-unvaccinated-anti-vax-healthcare-lockdown-vn | 21:53 |
| aradesh | claiming that some australian andrews is planning for people to be locked out of the healthcare system if they're not vaccinated | 21:53 |
| aradesh | some australian politician called daniel andrews* | 21:54 |
| aradesh | i reckon he means locking people out of certain venues and events, but not healthcare system, that would surely be illegal | 21:54 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10005489/COVID-Australia-Premier-Dan-Andrews-reveals-Victorias-roadmap-lockdown.html here's dms take on andrews' plans (victoria's premier) | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.dailymail.co.uk: COVID Australia: Premier Dan Andrews finally unveils Victoria's roadmap out of lockdown | Daily Mail Online | 21:59 |
| nixonix | and that express's article is old. dm is accurate and always right, compared express and daily star... | 22:01 |
| nixonix | +to | 22:01 |
| LjL | aradesh, it's not the first time i hear politicians venting that idea. doesn't mean it won't be shot down by higher-up politicians and/or courts... | 22:06 |
| aradesh | yeah | 22:07 |
| aradesh | i seriously doubt it would happen | 22:07 |
| LjL | aradesh, one tentative rationale was, when the hospital system is overwhelmed, there's already triage (and also things like that in Ohio now there is a universal DNR order for everyone). triage involves prioritizing patients with more chances to make it. one could argue the vaccinated ones have more chances to make it, so... | 22:07 |
| aradesh | i know a guy in the UK though who reckons he was refused treatment because he refused to be tested for coronavirus | 22:07 |
| LjL | and that was proposed somewhere in the US | 22:07 |
| LjL | smart | 22:07 |
| LjL | and by smart i mean, what a fucking idiot | 22:08 |
| aradesh | lol | 22:08 |
| aradesh | he's a covidiot | 22:08 |
| aradesh | but either way | 22:08 |
| aradesh | i doubt they're in the right to refuse him treatment | 22:08 |
| aradesh | it must be illegal or something | 22:08 |
| LjL | they can treat him generically | 22:08 |
| LjL | they can't treat him for COVID if he refuses to get tested for COVID | 22:08 |
| LjL | they can like keep him warm or something :P | 22:08 |
| aradesh | nah it was some normal treatment he wanted | 22:08 |
| aradesh | like for something else | 22:08 |
| aradesh | but to be in the hospital they wanted him to be tested | 22:09 |
| nixonix | idaho, possibly elsewhere too. and pediatric icu docs are given triage training in canada (in case it will be needed) | 22:09 |
| LjL | oh | 22:09 |
| LjL | well yeah | 22:09 |
| LjL | i don't know if it's illegal or something, technically maybe | 22:09 |
| aradesh | i'm sure if it was life threatening it would be different | 22:09 |
| LjL | but in these times, i can kind of understand doctors going okay, take me to court then, meanwhile i'm treating reasonable people | 22:09 |
| aradesh | unfortunately i know a lot of these conspiracy nuts | 22:10 |
| aradesh | which is why i'm asking if that australian thing is real | 22:10 |
| aradesh | as they've been sharing it | 22:10 |
| aradesh | saying it's gonna come to the UK | 22:10 |
| aradesh | and such | 22:10 |
| aradesh | i said its not and they called me naive | 22:10 |
| aradesh | nixonix: aren't express and daily star the same holding company? | 22:11 |
| nixonix | there was couple months ago at some us area plans, that vaxed will be selected first in hospital care. but then they revoked it after some media attention | 22:12 |
| aradesh | i see | 22:12 |
| aradesh | to be honest i can't really see it happening in a western country | 22:12 |
| nixonix | yeah i think they are. they arent the best source for news, and they know it in uk, so i guess they just read them to be entertained (bad for that too imo) | 22:12 |
| aradesh | that they'd refuse to give people hospital treatment | 22:12 |
| aradesh | at least for serious things | 22:13 |
| aradesh | like i know in the UK if you go to the hospital and you start attacking the staff, you can become banned from the hospital | 22:13 |
| nixonix | during that north korea nuclear activity they had often World War 3 in their titles, and most of articles were copy-pasted from each others | 22:13 |
| aradesh | but if you are dying, they'll treat you | 22:13 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/lmcgaughy/status/1428438745569763333 month ago (revoked then) | 22:15 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Lauren McGaughy 🌟 (@lmcgaughy): "Exclusive: @DaveLieber reports that Dallas hospitals will soon be allowed to take vaccination status into account, along with other triage factors, to see who gets an [...] | 22:15 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/NjbBari3/status/1439275963263586305 | 22:19 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Dr Noor Bari (@NjbBari3): "Every adult diagnosed with COVID-19 in Idaho is on a universal do not resuscitate order. Every adult. Don’t try to live with the virus. Get vaccinated if you can. Wear a [...] | 22:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The key role @JeremyFarrar has played in the pandemic, his new book SPIKE: the Virus vs the People, and its review by @doctor_oxford (who wanted him to do even more). We just interviewed Jeremy for @Medscape and it'll post this week.thelancet.com/journals/lance… @TheLancet pic.twitter.com/1BRdO5psiP → https://is.gd/ynvHbV | 22:20 |
| aradesh | i mean if it gets to the point where a hospital is full | 22:28 |
| aradesh | then obviously you have to use some criteria | 22:28 |
| nixonix | irene tosetti has a long list of (separate, not in a same thread unfortunately) tweets on his account of countries that have started or are starting to offer 3rd doses. https://twitter.com/itosettiMD_MBA/with_replies | 22:30 |
| LjL | aradesh, this is pretty much always in the context of hospitals being overloaded | 22:37 |
| LjL | when it's mentioned at all | 22:37 |
| nixonix | personnel problem mostly, like in idaho apparently (where also other cardiac event patients wouldnt be resuscitated than those with identified covid, according to locals in those twitter threads) | 22:39 |
| nixonix | they say that nurses that didnt want to take the jab left | 22:39 |
| LjL | oh yeah i meant Idaho earlier when i said Ohio | 22:39 |
| LjL | it's like Slovakia and Slovenia ;( | 22:40 |
| nixonix | yeah, like italy and spain. btw, i coundnt find confirmation to that tweet on slovenia (like only bread and stuff would be sold tho those not vaxed) | 22:40 |
| LjL | italy and spain don't sound very much alike :P | 22:41 |
| LjL | nixonix, it's probably about the green pass at minimum and not vaccine per se | 22:41 |
| nixonix | countries like croatia and slovenia are hard to find rona information in english | 22:44 |
| nixonix | .title https://old.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/posar8/it_is_now_illegal_to_refuel_your_car_in_slovenia/ | 22:47 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From old.reddit.com: It is now illegal to refuel your car in Slovenia without a covid passport : LockdownSkepticism | 22:47 |
| aradesh | nixonix: is that true? | 22:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): COVID19: Another reason to eat Garlic: "Allicin inhibits SARS-CoV-2 replication and abrogates the antiviral host response in the Calu-3 proteome" → https://is.gd/pBfM2K | 22:52 |
| aradesh | or not sure? | 22:52 |
| nixonix | i dont know, hard to find info on slovenia. reading the thread a bit, it seems to vary by gas station etc, what rules are applied (and might have changed after some fellow's trip 10 days ago or so) | 22:54 |
| nixonix | specing is from slovenia, i think | 22:55 |
| specing | Yes | 22:56 |
| specing | the rules change every week | 22:56 |
| specing | both due to incompetence and because the constitutional court ruled that they have to be reviewed every week | 22:56 |
| specing | (or malicious competence) | 22:57 |
| nixonix | but often what looks like malicious, is just stupidity. thats what they say, anyway | 22:57 |
| specing | And yes, last wednesday it was not possible to refuel without being either: vaccinated, tested or recovered | 22:57 |
| aradesh | specing: pretty strict | 22:59 |
| specing | and now every [self] employed unvaccinated/unrecovered person has to be tested weekly | 23:01 |
| nixonix | werent there something like italy too. or plans | 23:01 |
| nixonix | like *that (source finnish media) | 23:02 |
| nixonix | how do you make no-vaccers to have a jab and not keep infecting other people. progressively, nice incentives, hard incentives, cruel incentives... | 23:04 |
| nixonix | (while vax doesnt prevent, esp vaned, it will reduce. by how much, its still open, depends on vax, waning etc) | 23:05 |
| nixonix | +v | 23:05 |
| aradesh | my anti-vax friends need to learn that countries being authoritarian over the vaccine is not the same as the virus being fake/or the vaccine being bad | 23:06 |
| aradesh | they seem to somehow mix the two concepts | 23:06 |
| aradesh | specing: probably good to test everyone weekly | 23:07 |
| specing | aradesh: it's "supervised" self-testing, though... | 23:08 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9964213/Covid-19-Australia-NSW-nurse-reveals-anti-vaxxer-husband-walked-got-baby-jabbed.html yeah, some believe one thing, they believe it all. for some others, its hive-mind thing | 23:08 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.dailymail.co.uk: Covid-19 Australia: NSW nurse reveals anti-vaxxer husband walked out after she got their baby jabbed | Daily Mail Online | 23:08 |
| specing | nixonix: it's not nice, but doing something to your child without consulting the other parent(s) is a scumbag move as well | 23:09 |
| nixonix | well, here we just take those childhood vaccinations too. if one parent says no, i think its for childs benefit to vax him/her despite of that | 23:10 |
| specing | Yes, even if both parents say no. But it's important to hold dialogue before doing things | 23:10 |
| IndoAnon | Funny | 23:11 |
| nixonix | doesnt happen here, if both say no. those norman childhood vaxes. but then lets say if we clearly had some super dangerous mers-like but sars2-transmissible virus around, permissions wouldnt be asked. so it depends | 23:12 |
| nixonix | *normal | 23:12 |
| specing | nixonix: I'm honestly surprised that vaccinations aren't mandatory, at least for those over 40 years old | 23:12 |
| aradesh | specing: in your country? | 23:12 |
| specing | or maybe 50 | 23:13 |
| nixonix | some countries have i think | 23:13 |
| specing | aradesh: yes, superwised self-testing (another employee supervises) | 23:13 |
| aradesh | specing: i mean not mandatory | 23:13 |
| specing | aradesh: it is "mandatory" if you don't want to pay 10 eur every two days for testing yourself | 23:13 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1439246636622835718 | 23:13 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): "Historical perspective of vaccine mandates in the US https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-long-history-of-vaccine-mandates-in-america-11631890699 @DavidOshinsky The case for them [...] | 23:13 |
| nixonix | meaning some other vaccinations (mandatory - i think, in some countries. but maybe im wrong) | 23:14 |
| IndoAnon | nixonix: Maybe because it does prevent the vaccine recipient from being infected... but... | 23:15 |
| nixonix | not one vaccine gives 100% protection. it varies, and all wane too | 23:15 |
| nixonix | some faster, some slower | 23:15 |
| IndoAnon | And you know where it lies on the spectrum, right? | 23:16 |
| nixonix | theres no good information on that yet. it looks like wanes pretty fast for infection, somewhat slower for severe symptoms, but disagreenment on rate of the latter (these western approved) | 23:17 |
| nixonix | after 2nd. less is known after 3rd, but apparently somewhat better | 23:18 |
| specing | nixonix: we have mandatory vaccinations, I think | 23:19 |
| specing | (for childhood things) | 23:19 |
| IndoAnon | Here's quote from my other fren, whom somewhat have laggy immune response and active in FR bio research say, "so next week I have to do a shot of moderna; I can see the antibody argument but hmm;boosting with a non updated vax is... I dunno." | 23:21 |
| nixonix | hard to say how much it would improve the efficacy updating the spike to delta. and would there be some original antigenic sin effect, type of abs returning towards the original. or even improved breadth instead. somehow they just refuse to update it | 23:23 |
| nixonix | them | 23:24 |
| nixonix | pfizer and moderna likely have some idea. i wonder if they have told FDA or CDC | 23:24 |
| nixonix | those expert comments ive seen, are for updating the spike | 23:26 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1432730662121869313 | 23:30 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): "I fully agree with trials to directly assess efficacy and durability of a booster. This is also important for swapping vaccine target to Delta. I think it's legitimate to [...] | 23:30 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1430239407978606596 | 23:32 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): "The ability of virus to crank out new variants would look a lot less scary if our system could really deploy mRNA variant-vaxes on the fly as originally [...] | 23:32 |
| IndoAnon | Yeah, nixonix. I don't see any reason for them, including pfizer CEO, to take back their words. They're the one with sufficient manpower, equipment, and funding. It's rather a mystery why they haven't make a statement about this | 23:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: New study finds Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine is most effective against hospitalizations → https://is.gd/Vb94Mk | 23:34 |
| nixonix | it may be close to 50-50 if the next dominant variant would be closer to 1.351 or not (the other alternative, just some further development of delta lineage). so if it would be a good idea to use 1.351 spike (SA variant) in updated vaccine | 23:34 |
| nixonix | ask some immunologist's opinion in twitter | 23:35 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1432764459815112706 | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): "This would be generally a concern and would have made it difficult to pick a single variant in ~March 2021. However, Delta has “won” and future variants will most likely be [...] | 23:37 |
| IndoAnon | Also | 23:38 |
| IndoAnon | Another malaysian friend create a chart from his country's dataset | 23:39 |
| IndoAnon | While 25% of corona death between the start of mass jab and 2 days ago are among those who have received it, 12.5% happened within 2 weeks after they receive a dose | 23:40 |
| IndoAnon | It's a great argument to further downsize the jab center, to reduce potential cluster emerging from such activities | 23:43 |
| nixonix | true or not, the protection kicks in between 1 and 2 weeks after the 2nd. and those who died within 2 weeks after 2nd, usually got the infection around 3-4 weeks earlier than death | 23:43 |
| nixonix | with mrna vaccines. not sure about titers with AZ (where most of protection comes from stronger 1st one), or those inactivated whole virus type vaccines etc | 23:44 |
| IndoAnon | Considering variety of immune response and pre-asymptomatic period, it's difficult to say. However, the serological data indicate that the peak happened between 7 and 14 days post the 2nd | 23:47 |
| nixonix | not recent information in wiki about vaxes used in malaysia. it used to be mostly AZ, but what is the current situation. anyways, just hearsay | 23:47 |
| nixonix | nah, misread the table. also lots of pizer and coronavac | 23:49 |
| nixonix | but its old situation | 23:50 |
| IndoAnon | LoL nixonix | 23:50 |
| IndoAnon | https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1631898337493.png | 23:50 |
| nixonix | you know i rarely click pic links | 23:50 |
| IndoAnon | Trust me bro lol | 23:50 |
| IndoAnon | I mean, it's a chart from the malay bro | 23:51 |
| nixonix | quoting the part they left out from finnish media, when they made article based on this CNC article (waning part): "Moderna and Pfizer's vaccines were found to have nearly the same efficacy against hospitalizations, but then it began to wane for the Pfizer vaccine, dropping from 91% in the first four months to 77% afterward | 23:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): The extent to which Covid-19 exposed and amplified largely concealed, deeply entrenched, pre-existing health issues and inequalities came as a shock to me. It made me question my pre-pandemic public health worldview, and at times, I wonder what we're really hoping to achieve. → https://is.gd/8h9Flp | 23:56 |
| IndoAnon | I think they, malaysia, mainly use 3 different types | 23:57 |
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