| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahrain: +42 cases (now 275279), +14876 tests (now 6.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 00:05 |
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| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): That decline for Delta was from 93 -> 53% after 4 months.Vaccine effectiveness vs hospitalization for Delta infections was high— 93% [95% CI 84,96] —at a mean time of 3.4 months from being fully vaccinated thelancet.com/journals/lance… /2 pic.twitter.com/4b37q2FO39 → https://is.gd/4i4TKu | 00:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +1189 cases (now 5.0 million), +24 deaths (now 126425), +42131 tests (now 25.7 million) since 23 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +572 cases (now 361402), +4893 tests (now 2.1 million) since a day ago | 01:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Vaccination reduces transmission of Delta, but by less than the Alpha variant.Large UK contact tracing study shows Pfizer vaccine reduces transmission by 82% vs alpha and 65% vs delta and AZ by 63% and 36%.Disease protection remains high. medrxiv.org/content/10.110… → https://is.gd/bPuWVU | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Clinical trial produces effective oral antiviral to combat COVID-19 | UNC-Chapel Hill (merck's antiviral) → https://is.gd/8AKgRx | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: The Challenges Of Vaccinating The World : NPR → https://is.gd/htYpRz | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Category: SARS-CoV-2 variants on Wikipedia: Nihiltres: /* top */{{main}} cleanup in category-space, replaced: {{Main|Variants of SARS-CoV-2}} → {{cat main|Variants of SARS-CoV-2}}: top: {{main}} cleanup in category-space, replaced: {{Main|Variants of SARS-CoV-2}} → {{cat main|Variants of SARS-CoV-2}} ← Previous revision Revision as of [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/2D91Vs | 01:43 |
| LjL | that must not have been updated in a while | 01:44 |
| LjL | indeed, last update 7 july | 01:44 |
| Trippy72894 | this study says natural immunity is better than vaccines https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf. my friend over a year ago suggested temporarily isolating the vulnerable and letting everyone else get it and recover with better immunity. would that have been a good | 02:04 |
| Trippy72894 | strategy? | 02:04 |
| LjL | no, ans also that study is not without challenge | 02:05 |
| Trippy72894 | what are the main points the challengers make? | 02:06 |
| Trippy72894 | or url me if you like | 02:06 |
| Trippy72894 | and hello to you, by the way | 02:06 |
| ublx | something like 50% of people in Wuhan who were infected are still showing symptoms of long covid more than a year later | 02:08 |
| Trippy72894 | wow. ok that's a good challenge. | 02:09 |
| LjL | there are just other studies that suggest otherwise, without that study having strikingly more conclusive evidence. but i'm not feeling very well and not about to embark in a search right now. anyway aside from whether natural immunity is better or worse than vaccines, you should also consider 1) what the implications of having had COVID might be, including known and possible forms of long COVID and organ damage, and 2) whether it would have been feasible to | 02:09 |
| LjL | "isolate the vulnerable" out of sending them to Mars, because places like nursing homes have been more like slaughter houses the moment someone brought in COVID, and someone inevitably would, even with being careful | 02:09 |
| Trippy72894 | LjL excellent points. sorry you're not well. get well soon. | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uruguay: +75 cases (now 389260), +1 deaths (now 6058), +6161 tests (now 3.6 million) since a day ago | 02:10 |
| LjL | thanks | 02:10 |
| Trippy72894 | nothing serious, i hope? | 02:10 |
| ublx | Trippy72894: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/a-year-later-45-of-covid-patients-in-wuhan-still-have-symptoms/ references https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2784558 (29th September) | 02:11 |
| LjL | don't think so. i have a cold sore. it always makes me feel horrid when it happens (or maybe when i have something going on that makes me feel horrid, cold sores are likely to emerge, i'm not sure about the causality of this) | 02:11 |
| Trippy72894 | LjL, oh dear, I'm so sorry. Do get some reast. | 02:20 |
| Trippy72894 | ublx, thank you!! | 02:20 |
| Trippy72894 | ok off for some curried goat | 02:20 |
| Trippy72894 | cheers | 02:20 |
| LjL | i get some reast, he gets some roast | 02:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Rwanda: +81 cases (now 97951), +5 deaths (now 1288), +7506 tests (now 2.9 million) since a day ago — Netherlands: +1660 cases (now 2.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 02:35 |
| lastshell | https://news.yahoo.com/pediatric-cases-covid-19-declining-133009133.html something good | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +8010 cases (now 1.6 million), +49 deaths (now 28053) since 9 hours ago | 03:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Obesity and diabetes are risk factors for severe Covid, breakthrough infections, and #LongCovid. A new review @TheLancetEndo gets into the mechanism and management thelancet.com/journals/landi…and @Cell_Metabolism on infection of fat cells cell.com/cell-metabolis… pic.twitter.com/hxmj7kKCcW → https://is.gd/kOUGIm | 03:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sudan: +287 cases (now 38632), +3 deaths (now 2909) since a day ago — Gabon: +410 cases (now 31058), +4 deaths (now 194), +8163 tests (now 1.2 million) since 3 days ago — Barbados: +195 cases (now 9205), +2 deaths (now 81), +1835 tests (now 326487) since 17 hours ago — Mali: +16 cases (now 15303), +1 deaths (now 550), +895 tests (now 424256) since a day ago | 04:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk): China reports 0 coronavirus cases for the first time in nearly a month → https://is.gd/mrRDR7 | 04:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belize: +419 cases (now 21422), +4 deaths (now 422), +3142 tests (now 268455) since 3 days ago — Bermuda: +83 cases (now 5419), +7 deaths (now 82), +5573 tests (now 551038) since 2 days ago — Djibouti: +54 cases (now 12976), +1 deaths (now 172), +692 tests (now 223799) since a day ago | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for St. Vin. and Gren.: +100 cases (now 3776), +5 deaths (now 33) since a day ago | 05:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Oral COVID Pills by Merck Show Reduction in Hospitalization or Deaths (Molnupiravir) (Dr. Syed) → https://is.gd/wdeOG6 | 05:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Don't look now, but we're about to get below 70,000 hospitalizations & 100,000 new cases/day, for the 1st time in 2 months + lowest test positivity (5.6%) in 3 monthsBut a LONG way to get this🦠containedTens of millions more people need to get vaxxed to help us get & stay there pic.twitter.com/QLyUtgXVW8 → https://is.gd/tW5XU5 | 05:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +4660 cases (now 1.3 million), +20 deaths (now 25632) since 2 days ago — South Korea: +1575 cases (now 321352), +11 deaths (now 2524), +30416 tests (now 14.7 million) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +34306 cases (now 8.0 million) since 11 hours ago — Netherlands: +32 cases (now 2.0 million), +1 deaths (now 18601) since 11 hours ago | 05:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness drops after 6 months, study shows → https://is.gd/j1QTcc | 05:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Australia to buy Merck’s Covid-19 pill, Victoria cases hit record → https://is.gd/JkPZmZ | 05:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +7462 cases (now 33.9 million), +1141642 tests (now 575.4 million) since 14 hours ago — Peru: +377 cases (now 2.2 million), +17 deaths (now 199502), +59839 tests (now 18.1 million) since a day ago | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Northwest Territories, Canada: +86 cases (now 1240) since 3 days ago — Mayotte, France: +49 cases (now 20323), +2 deaths (now 180) since 5 days ago — Western Australia, Australia: +10 cases (now 1109) since 23 hours ago — Shaanxi, China: +3 cases (now 675) since 3 days ago | 07:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Safe to receive Covid and flu jabs at the same time, study shows: Research also finds that co-administration has no negative impact on immune response generated by both vaccines → https://is.gd/2y4Jx8 | 08:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Thailand’s quarantine-island experiment is showing (modest) results → https://is.gd/ykBSgx | 08:14 |
| Times_ | https://www.bitchute.com/video/rUr0pnlyWRpD/ | 08:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | October 05, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/RpI0wG | 09:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Czechia: +803 cases (now 1.7 million), +5 deaths (now 30483), +69925 tests (now 38.5 million) since a day ago | 09:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India Fumes at Being Left Off UK COVID Travel List, Imposes New Guidelines for Brits → https://is.gd/CQ2cdI | 09:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Trying to make sense of COVID’s mysterious 2-month cycle → https://is.gd/XvPzxQ | 09:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Hungary: +294 cases (now 825170), +16 deaths (now 30246), +8122 tests (now 7.0 million) since a day ago | 10:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Vaccine protection against infection will wane, that is normal and happens also after infection. Very important: Protection against severe disease remains! That is the important message! Know the difference between infection and disease.thelancet.com/journals/lance… → https://is.gd/1Bqtpz | 10:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Doctors suggest simple ways to keep your heart healthy amid pandemic → https://is.gd/hCNdeW | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Spikevax (previously COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna), COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine (nucleoside modified), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 06/01/2021, Revision: 12, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/2jiYni | 10:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Slovakia: +1242 cases (now 417502), +14 deaths (now 12690), +11509 tests (now 3.6 million) since 23 hours ago — Austria: +910 cases (now 751139), +15 deaths (now 11049), +365396 tests (now 88.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Estonia: +892 cases (now 159787), +16 deaths (now 1379), +6214 tests (now 1.9 million) since 23 hours ago | 11:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +25110 cases (now 7.6 million), +895 deaths (now 211696), +300000 tests (now 194.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Poland: +1327 cases (now 2.9 million), +46 deaths (now 75741), +44692 tests (now 21.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 11:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Why the Balkans’ vaccine rollout lags behind most of Europe: If Irina Hristova gets covid-19, she might die, she says. The 66 year old lives with her husband in a village in the Balkan Mountains, two hours east of Bulgaria’s capital Sofia. She avoids crowds... → https://is.gd/q9tItE | 11:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Latvia: +1010 cases (now 163130), +14 deaths (now 2757), +15382 tests (now 4.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +4547 cases (now 4.3 million) since 23 hours ago — France: +900 cases (now 7.1 million) since 18 hours ago | 12:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Johnson&Johnson: Johnson & Johnson Announces Submission of Emergency Use Authorization Amendment to the U.S. FDA to Support Booster of its Single-Shot COVID-19 Vaccine: Submission includes data showing a booster increased protection to 94 percent against moderate to severe/critical COVID-19 in the U.S.Substantial increase in immune response [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/10ozot | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Brunei: +140 cases (now 8044), +5062 tests (now 379121) since 23 hours ago | 13:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: We Need a Better Way to Talk About Booster Shots: The word booster kicked off the pandemic benign and simple, a chipper concept most people linked to things such as morale and rockets . Then, at the start of 2021, the word began to undergo a renaissance. By summer’s end, booster was a common fixture of headlines and Twitter [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tirXS3 | 13:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Romania: +15037 cases (now 1.3 million), +252 deaths (now 37929), +77738 tests (now 13.2 million) since a day ago — Indonesia: +1404 cases (now 4.2 million), +77 deaths (now 142338), +234483 tests (now 40.3 million) since a day ago — Finland: +583 cases (now 143999), +27565 tests (now 7.1 million) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 13:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: J&J files for authorization of COVID-19 vaccine booster → https://is.gd/3vuUGO | 13:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19: latest updates → https://is.gd/ejWHzQ | 13:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): New Nature Communications paper: "Understanding the effectiveness of government interventions against the resurgence of COVID-19 in Europe" nature.com/articles/s4146… pic.twitter.com/5LnYnGM6EE → https://is.gd/E6xr85 | 14:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +762 cases (now 798766), +6 deaths (now 11180), +11582 tests (now 4.2 million) since 23 hours ago — Bangladesh: +694 cases (now 1.6 million), +23 deaths (now 27614), +25499 tests (now 9.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Uganda: +59 cases (now 124098), +1 deaths (now 3163), +2891 tests (now 1.7 million) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?] | 14:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Intramuscular injections can accidentally hit a vein, causing injection into the bloodstream. This could explain rare adverse reactions to Covid-19 vaccine. Study shows solid link between intravenous mRNA vaccine and myocarditis (in mice). Needle aspiration is one way to avoid this from happening. → https://is.gd/dp91KH | 14:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1024 cases (now 845233), +11 deaths (now 11119), +31137 tests (now 11.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from New Scientist: Why is New Zealand seemingly giving up on its zero-covid strategy?: New Zealand is being forced to abandon its zero-covid strategy as the delta variant overcomes lockdown measures it used to stamp out past coronavirus outbreaks → https://is.gd/vkviiq | 14:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: Most Vaccine-Hesitant People Remain Willing to Change Their Minds: As long and difficult as this pandemic has been, I remain overwhelmingly grateful for the remarkable progress being made, including the hard work of so many people to develop rapidly and then deploy multiple life-saving vaccines. And yet, grave concerns [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/koXyiN | 15:05 |
| specing | I mean, the demands of vaccine-hesitant people aren't that hard to satisfy | 15:14 |
| specing | import deactivated covid vaccines (sinopharm) for those hesitant of mrna and introduce good compensation schemes for vaccine injuries | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: STAT+ Conversation: Making health care accountable: STAT's Nicholas St. Fleur sits down Farzad Mostashari, CEO and co-founder of Aledade, to discuss facing the pandemic and using tech to improve the medical system. → https://is.gd/vZWCZG | 15:26 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +27 cases (now 209199), +1 deaths (now 3650), +3755 tests (now 2.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saudi Arabia: +42 cases (now 547357), +3 deaths (now 8730), +53345 tests (now 29.2 million) since a day ago — Bhutan: +5 cases (now 2613), +1752 tests (now 1.2 million) since 2 days ago | 16:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Plasma therapy ‘futile’ as treatment for critically ill Covid-19 patients: Study → https://is.gd/mV6sLb | 16:10 |
| lastshell | guys i have a family member who got sputnik, we planning to be in xmas but looks like US dont recognize sputnik | 16:18 |
| lastshell | is safe to take jnj for him ? | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Our covid times :-)by @Hilary_Price pic.twitter.com/icD0j496Ql → https://is.gd/CY9voS | 16:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +8318 cases (now 1.6 million), +52 deaths (now 28056) since 22 hours ago — Switzerland: +1 cases (now 845234) since 2 hours ago | 16:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science Daily: Mitigating lung damage, mortality due to SARS-CoV-2: Researchers report that a drug approved for treating patients with autoimmune disease helped to prevent lung damage and death in mice infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19 in humans. → https://is.gd/ViM6XT | 16:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: J&J is asking the FDA to authorize its COVID-19 booster shots: Johnson & Johnson asks the Food and Drug Administration to allow extra shots of its COVID-19 vaccine as the U.S. government moves toward expanding its booster campaign. → https://is.gd/CAqpN3 | 16:53 |
| Cashlin | with their track record should we lmfao | 16:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +9404 cases (now 33.9 million), +110 deaths (now 449324) since 23 hours ago | 16:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): SARS-CoV-2 Antibody PrevalencE in an Adult London HIV Cohort → https://is.gd/J9pBwa | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): SARS-CoV-2 PANDEMIC AND FAILED SPINAL ANESTHESIA → https://is.gd/NRoBAk | 17:26 |
| pwr22 | All caps journal? | 17:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +1935 cases (now 2.1 million), +10 deaths (now 18610) since 23 hours ago — Greenland: +4 cases (now 595), +623 tests (now 77423) since a day ago | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Jordan: +1068 cases (now 828572), +9 deaths (now 10762), +57895 tests (now 10.2 million) since 22 hours ago | 18:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Efficacy of Respiratory Physiotherapy on Severe ICU-admitted COVID-19 Patients. → https://is.gd/JoNLWz | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Covid-19 Vaccine Responses in Patients With Inflammatory Bowel Diseases → https://is.gd/wGAnj1 | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Evaluation of Efficacy, Safety and Immunogenicity of GX-19N in Healthy Individuals Who Have Received COVID-19 Vaccines → https://is.gd/dku8Br | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +8248 cases (now 1.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: AstraZeneca to pay $560,000 to settle claims of discriminating against women sales reps: Following a federal investigation, AstraZeneca has agreed to pay $560,000 to hundreds of sales reps who claimed they were paid less than their colleagues due to discrimination. → https://is.gd/YeKLOa | 18:42 |
| LjL | lastshell: I really can't say whether it's safe for an individual to mix vaccines like that, that's for a doctor to say. But I can point out that if I'm not mistaken, J&J uses the same adenovirus as one of the two Sputnik shots, so in principle interaction can happen (such as lack of efficacy because the adenovirus gets recognized and destroyed by the immune system before the vaccine can act) | 18:48 |
| specing | as I remember, before vaccines became available here we were told that sputnik will be ineffective because we are already immune to that adenovirus | 18:49 |
| lastshell | thank you LjL | 18:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The best study we have so far on transmission after vaccination, covered @Nature nature.com/articles/d4158… twitter.com/EricTopol/stat… pic.twitter.com/k2NcJkfw3k → https://is.gd/peV2VK | 18:52 |
| LjL | specing: well, it uses two different ones in the two shots, so the idea was even if you were immune to one, at least the other would likely be effective. AZ took the alternative approach of using a non-human adenovirus that we normally aren't immune to. J&J seems to have taken the "who cares, we'll say our vaccine work after only one shot and that'll be our way of carving a market niche" approach | 18:55 |
| LjL | Anyway AZ uses the same one in both shots, so even if it's reasonable to assume we aren't immune at first, we may be at the time of the second shot. So I'm not sure the criticism of Sputnik is justified vs AZ | 18:56 |
| lastshell | well AZ is recognized I think but not Sputnik for the CDC travel to use guidelines | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +2463 cases (now 4.7 million), +50 deaths (now 131118), +322382 tests (now 93.8 million) since a day ago | 19:04 |
| specing | LjL: I'm surprised that sputnik is still not approved by EMA | 19:16 |
| specing | lastshell: Sputnik is recognised for vaccination status here | 19:17 |
| specing | as is Sinopharm | 19:17 |
| specing | we just can't get them ourselves | 19:17 |
| lastshell | in USA is not recognized :( | 19:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: PRESIDENZA DEL CONSIGLIO DEI MINISTRI DIPARTIMENTO DELLA PROTEZIONE CIVILE - ORDINANZA 23 settembre 2021: Ordinanza di protezione civile per favorire e regolare il subentrodella Regione Lombardia nelle iniziative finalizzate al superamentodella situazione di criticita' determinatasi in conseguenza [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/bVTFpg | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): Comparing things we disagree with to the rise of the Nazis - be it the Trump presidency, vaccine mandates or whatnot - is probably never a good idea.1/ → https://is.gd/oNUJVF | 19:36 |
| -Bridgestorm- 🏠 地震! Earthquake! 5.9 M tremor, registered by yurekuru, occurred 8 minutes ago (17:30:24 UTC), with a new moon, Southwestern Ryukyu Isl., Japan (25.9, 125.03) ± 7 km, ↓16 km likely felt 260 km away (in 宮古島市, 石垣市…) by 103200 people → https://twitter.com/yurekuru/status/1445441374812209156 (Twitter) | 19:41 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +33289 cases (now 8.0 million), +173 deaths (now 137544) since 23 hours ago — Spain: +1801 cases (now 5.0 million), +94 deaths (now 86621) since 23 hours ago | 19:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: Circulation of 21A (Delta) SARS-CoV-2 variant in Rio Grande do Sul, Southern Brazil: Update information – samples analysis from late July and early September Since the last update, we have additionally sequenced a total of 74 SARS-CoV-2 samples collected between late July and early September. The patients were [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/TBQ7mP | 19:47 |
| de-facto | AZ uses ChAdOx1 (Chimp adenovirus, humans are naive to it) for both primer and booster, Janssen uses Ad.26 (less common adenovirus in adults) for one shot, now evaluating booster, Gamaleya (Sputnik) uses Ad.5 in first and Ad.26 in second shot (Ad.5 is more common than Ad.26 for adults, but still seems to work) | 20:07 |
| -Bridgestorm- ⭕ 地震! Earthquake! 6.2 M tremor, registered by eq_map2, occurred 21 minutes ago (17:46:00 UTC), with a new moon, Near East Coast Of Honshu, Japan (40.02, 142.39) ± 1 km, ↓51 km likely felt 320 km away (in 宮古市, 久慈市, 八戸市, 岩泉町, 釜石市…) by 99200 people → https://twitter.com/eq_map2/status/1445446982512746496 (Twitter) | 20:07 | |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: 1.8% of staff fired from NY’s largest health care provider for vaccine refusal → https://is.gd/dkb3qS | 20:08 |
| de-facto | so yeah using Janssen on Sputnik could make sense even as a update-booster for the winter (depending on how long ago the 2nd Sputnik shot was given) | 20:09 |
| de-facto | (no medical background, but thats how i would want to proceed in their place) | 20:09 |
| lastshell | yeah waiting for there doctor to give some advice thank you de-facto | 20:11 |
| nana | specing: wher is that/her | 20:14 |
| de-facto | oh i mixed it up Sputnik is Ad.26 for priming and Ad.5 for boosting, hence even better to use Jannsen (Ad.26) for updating | 20:15 |
| specing | nana: slovenia | 20:16 |
| de-facto | afaik Sputnik is a good vaccine, i dont understand why its not yet approved by EMA | 20:18 |
| specing | same | 20:20 |
| specing | politics | 20:20 |
| de-facto | yeah probably | 20:20 |
| specing | if covid was an actual emergency, we would have imported all the vaccines as soon as they are available | 20:20 |
| specing | like Serbia did | 20:21 |
| gustik | no | 20:21 |
| LjL | de-facto, specing: https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/sputnik-v-controversy-still-no-raw-data/ | 20:21 |
| gustik | there is none | 20:21 |
| gustik | look | 20:22 |
| de-facto | well it makes sense to require a strict approval with quality control etc to ensure benefit over risk ratio is clearly established etc | 20:22 |
| gustik | governments (politics in general) consists of stupid ppl | 20:22 |
| gustik | these stupid ppl need consultants who tell them what to do and how to do, because they themselves have no clue | 20:22 |
| de-facto | yeah LjL that also could explain it, not enough transparency or cooperation because of political or other pre-existing issues | 20:23 |
| gustik | over last say 10 years or so ... Pfizer installed their representatives in these government agencies and consultants and so on | 20:23 |
| de-facto | all i wanted to say is from what i have seen it looks like Sputnik is a good vaccine too | 20:23 |
| gustik | so, it was clear from the start that Pfizer will do the bidding | 20:24 |
| LjL | "The researchers also highlighted “very peculiar” results in the reporting of the vaccine’s efficacy across different age groups. Variation across the five age bands studied ranged between just 90% and 92.7%." ← i think i remember reading comments that this was statistically extremely unlikely. also, you know how Russia's deaths were consistently below 800 for a while, in a very blatant way? well... if that's their MO, i don't feel i would trust them myself | 20:25 |
| gustik | in other countries however ... they took either Sputnik or chinese vaccines according to whom are those governments affine to | 20:25 |
| LjL | and even if Brazil's claim that "their" Sputnik contained live, replicating virus was not checked/replicated, it says "Slovakia also said it had concerns, claiming that Sputnik doses delivered to the country didn’t match those supplied elsewhere, but decided to approve the vaccine anyway" so other countries are also unsure of the *consistency* of the vaccine among batches, which i'd say is a big concern | 20:26 |
| gustik | well, Slovakia calling here | 20:26 |
| gustik | there were no "concerns" ... it was a political game ... after Matovic (I call him Psychopatovic) ordered the vaccines from Russia, all mainstream media went bonkers and to quiet the FUD propaganda they decided they will do an examination of the vaccine ... but of course they had no laboratory to do this, and the slovak agency said only EMA can do this. In the end they took the approval from the hungarian authority (they needed | 20:28 |
| gustik | at least one approval from ANY EU country) | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Risk of death more than 130% higher with delta variant than original COVID virus, research suggests → https://is.gd/mLxtyA | 20:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Qatar: +58 cases (now 237048), +5811 tests (now 2.7 million) since a day ago | 20:31 |
| gustik | and to that previous point where there is stated that vaccines have an efficacy of >90% ... I do not know if I should take that as a joke now or not since we already see higher numbers of PCR tests this month than we seen in 2020, even though in 2020 there was much more testing going on (vaccinated do not need to test) | 20:31 |
| de-facto | indeed it looks like EMA is waiting for some data they say | 20:31 |
| gustik | EMA first said they did not receive any application for approval ... then the russians send an application and since then it is sitting idle | 20:32 |
| de-facto | its listed there though https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines/covid-19-vaccines | 20:32 |
| de-facto | "Currently under rolling review" | 20:32 |
| de-facto | https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-starts-rolling-review-sputnik-v-covid-19-vaccine | 20:33 |
| gustik | while Pfizer/BioNTech, J&J and AstraZeneca were approved as emergency (without all necessary data) | 20:33 |
| de-facto | interestingly as is Sinovac | 20:34 |
| gustik | well, the rolling review will take as long as there are no 80% vaccinated EU wide by Pfizer vaccines | 20:34 |
| de-facto | https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-starts-rolling-review-covid-19-vaccine-vero-cell-inactivated | 20:34 |
| gustik | but no matter, here in Slovakia you can get SputnikV | 20:34 |
| gustik | and you can get SputnikV OR Sinovac in Hungary | 20:35 |
| gustik | the problem with it is, that SOME countries MAY NOT accept a COVID-PASS that includes a vaccination from these vaccines | 20:35 |
| gustik | so basically you can get the vaccine without problems, the question is if you be able to use that for travel | 20:36 |
| specing | afaik hungary only vaccinates hungarian nationals | 20:36 |
| gustik | BS | 20:37 |
| specing | I know that Serbia vaccinates everyone | 20:37 |
| gustik | ppl were travelling en-masse to Hungary to get the shot, because they were faster than Slovakia for example | 20:37 |
| specing | gustik: The hungarian vaccination signup form requires you to enter a hungarian ID | 20:37 |
| specing | or at least, did when I last checked | 20:37 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.18.21262065v4 | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Vaccine Effectiveness against Referral to Hospital and Severe Lung Injury Associated with COVID-19: A Population-Based Case-Control Study in St. Petersburg, Russia | medRxiv | 20:37 |
| gustik | well, maybe they have that new, but when it started ppl were travelling there | 20:37 |
| specing | doubt it | 20:38 |
| specing | never heard of travel to Hungary | 20:38 |
| gustik | and then hungarians have also some IDs for foreign hungarians that works for some | 20:38 |
| specing | only heard of vaccine travel to Serbia | 20:38 |
| gustik | WELL ... that's an invalid argument | 20:38 |
| gustik | I am here and I heard about it, and frankly I do not care if New York Times reported on it | 20:38 |
| LjL | if you have a country's ID you are at least a resident. that's not the same as being a national, but you definitely can't just travel there quickly and get an ID | 20:39 |
| gustik | no | 20:39 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Evaluation of the relative virulence of novel SARS-CoV-2 variants: a retrospective cohort study in Ontario, Canada ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/NBJ5F95A ) | 20:39 | |
| gustik | but as I said ... many so called foreign hungarians do have an foreign hungarian ID for years in order to get lower prices on bus tickets and stuff like that | 20:41 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Vaccine Effectiveness against Referral to Hospital and Severe Lung Injury Associated with COVID-19: A Population-Based Case-Control Study in St. Petersburg, Russia ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/2RIKEH2E ) | 20:44 | |
| gustik | however, that is not a problem any more ... there are now shelves full of vaccines in any country and no one is getting it, that's why they are now shipping the remaining vaccines to Africa mainly Kenya and so on | 20:44 |
| de-facto | not really, there are still many countries that urgently need more supply, e.g. African countries etc | 20:45 |
| de-facto | we are lucky that we *now* got enough supply in Europe | 20:45 |
| gustik | yes, they are shipping it now to Africa, like I said | 20:46 |
| de-facto | https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-people-vaccinated-covid?tab=map | 20:49 |
| gustik | the problem now is that produced vaccines need to be injected or thrown out after they reach their date of expiration, so they need to ship it somewhere where there is demand in order not having to throw them out | 20:50 |
| gustik | that map is funny btw | 20:53 |
| gustik | the least vaccinated populations are in Africa | 20:53 |
| de-facto | thats why i posted it | 20:55 |
| de-facto | and btw countries with very high vaccination rates do really well right now, e.g. Portugal and Spain | 20:56 |
| gustik | yes | 20:57 |
| gustik | Portugal and Spain are those countries which decided (because of the high vaccination rates) not to required CovidPasses from ppl (of course there were ppl protesting against this, that helped too) | 20:58 |
| gustik | but lets look at https://covid19.who.int/ the % change in last 7 days | 20:59 |
| gustik | Vysegrad countries + Ukraine is red there ... and low vaccination rates in Africa are inconclusive in effect | 21:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid cases in Japan have mysteriously plummeted, and scientists have a few theories about why → https://is.gd/xqHJtG | 21:03 |
| gustik | Also Canada vs. USA is the exact opposite from what ppl in favour of vaccination would expect | 21:03 |
| LjL | "Another school of thought is that the virus comes in vicious cycles, fuelled by one particular age demographic." ← de-facto's school (from that Japan article) | 21:04 |
| de-facto | yeah imho it makes sense that reproduction number = contact_rate * transmissibility * duration_of_infectiousness depends on how densely connected a social network is and thereby on what (age, social) cohort is observed | 21:09 |
| de-facto | all epidemic dynamic is a function of age group as internal interaction inside a specific age group is more than cross-age group interaction, also depending on health parameters and lifestyle etc pp | 21:11 |
| gustik | yes, you actually said that there is no pandemic because of course - the sick ppl die ... the healthy ppl don't need any help getting by, lifestyle too, VitaminD levels and all the rest | 21:16 |
| gustik | btw. speaking of Vitamin D | 21:16 |
| gustik | I have now news that here in Slovakia some companies are giving out Vitamin D3 to employees, and tea and so on | 21:16 |
| gustik | I am reading that as a way to make sure ... since no one here believes in vaccines any more ... since they didn't end the pandemic ... that alternative solutions might be worth a try | 21:17 |
| de-facto | i did not say that there is no pandemic, i said it has to be viewed by age group | 21:20 |
| de-facto | btw i bought our emeritus prof a pack of vitamin D3 today, he is over 80 years old and tripple vaccinated yet still did not take any D3 yet (but planned to) | 21:20 |
| gustik | see | 21:21 |
| de-facto | if felt really good to give to him, because it will help him, especially at his age | 21:21 |
| gustik | I see that the biggest problem in the near future will be missing personnel in hospitals ... here in Slovakia there seems to be a severe shortage already | 21:24 |
| de-facto | yes in hospitals its the personnel that is the most difficult to upgrade, equipment can be produced industrially, personnel has to be trained and that takes a lot of time | 21:28 |
| gustik | and they did nothing in order to fix that problem for the past 2+ years | 21:28 |
| gustik | so that makes politicians the real covid-deniers | 21:29 |
| gustik | in order to prepare for the 3rd wave in the state hospital of Zilina they prepared 40 COVID ICU beds ... yes, forty ! | 21:29 |
| gustik | unsurprisingly, they are full already ... and we are just beginning | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +5946 cases (now 7.1 million), +20 deaths (now 117727) since 23 hours ago | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: People can form strong social bonds with celebrities and fictional characters who they do not personally know, a phenomenon known as a parasocial relationship. New research provides evidence that these parasocial bonds were strengthened during the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States. → https://is.gd/Ix2l7k | 21:36 |
| gustik | like really | 21:37 |
| gustik | at least they have a sense of humour there at the Science magazine | 21:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: October 5, 2021 → https://is.gd/cZT6eD | 21:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The cardiovascular burden of COVID-19 at 1 year follow-up of over 150,000 individuals, in comparison with controls, is substantial researchsquare.com/article/rs-940…#LongCovid @DeptVetAffairs by @zalaly and colleagues pic.twitter.com/Bw4oxeHqK2 → https://is.gd/RfvpjJ | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +3805 cases (now 4.3 million), +39 deaths (now 94381) since 23 hours ago — Chad: +2 cases (now 5049), +290 tests (now 147273) since 11 hours ago | 22:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: AstraZeneca Files EUA for the First COVID-19 Antibody Prophylaxis: AstraZeneca’s long-acting antibody, AZD7442, would act as a supplement to vaccination and could provide up to a year of protection against symptomatic COVID-19. → https://is.gd/8LVfte | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Covid vaccinations in the first 5 months among 63 million US Medicare beneficiaries reduced deaths by ~39,000, hospitalizations by 107,000 and ~265,000 fewer cases aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/… @HHSGov (and we still have only achieved 84% fully vaccinated of 65+ as of today) → https://is.gd/A6sVVJ | 22:44 |
| imaginary | that's honestly higher a percentage than i expected | 22:46 |
| LjL | that doesn't sound tooooo bad, it sounds worse than here, but i guess it means what brings the numbers down is mainly younger people | 22:50 |
| LjL | here's our vaccines by age https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/numeri-vaccini-italia-mondo/#vaccinati-per-fasce-di-eta | 22:51 |
| LjL | (but there is no 65+ group) | 22:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Scientists have developed an experimental, protein-based vaccine against rheumatoid arthritis. The vaccine-based treatment strategy proved successful in preliminary animal studies . → https://is.gd/HdX2Bh | 22:56 |
| Arsanerit | Portugal appears to have very high numbers at all agess. | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +19380 cases (now 33.9 million), +285 deaths (now 449568) since 23 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +701 cases (now 362103), +1 deaths (now 4056), +5723 tests (now 2.1 million) since 21 hours ago — Namibia: +61 cases (now 127923), +1980 tests (now 712147) since a day ago — Kuwait: +49 cases (now 411904), +20489 tests (now 4.4 million) since a day ago | 23:00 |
| de-facto | http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France;Spain;Italy;Portugal&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes | 23:30 |
| de-facto | looks like very *low* infection incidence in those countries with quite high vaccination rate | 23:31 |
| LjL | wow, Spain and Portugal are a *lot* higher than Italy and France in amount of people *fully* vaccinated (which matters the most with Delta) | 23:35 |
| LjL | https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+fully+vaccinated&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=ITA~GBR~ESP~PRT~FRA | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +33311 cases (now 8.0 million) since 18 hours ago — Netherlands: +1936 cases (now 2.1 million), +11 deaths (now 18611) since 21 hours ago | 23:37 |
| LjL | but that 66% seems suspiciously low, it's not what i have | 23:38 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 23:38 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Italy has had 4.7 million confirmed cases (7.8% of all people) and 131118 deaths (2.8% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 93.8 million tests were done (5.0% positive). 45.4 million were vaccinated (75.4%). +2463 cases, +50 deaths, +322382 tests since a day ago. See https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-dashboard or https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/en/ | 23:38 |
| LjL | %cases portugal | 23:38 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Portugal has had 1.1 million confirmed cases (10.4% of all people) and 18004 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 18.6 million tests were done (5.8% positive). 8.9 million were vaccinated (86.9%). +730 cases, +4 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Portugal | 23:38 |
| de-facto | Germany got even less vaccinations than all of those :/ | 23:38 |
| LjL | %cases spain | 23:38 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Spain has had 5.0 million confirmed cases (10.5% of all people) and 86621 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 65.5 million tests were done (7.6% positive). 37.7 million were vaccinated (80.1%). +1801 cases, +94 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain | 23:38 |
| LjL | see though? these still have them as higher than italy, but with different numbers | 23:39 |
| de-facto | and next week testing has to be paid and no quarantine financial support, expect all sort of weirdness coming | 23:39 |
| LjL | and yet both OWID and my data (Covidly) should be using total population as the denominator | 23:39 |
| LjL | (Il Sole 24 Ore gives different data, but it uses *eligible* people) | 23:39 |
| de-facto | you can compare percentages (Italy 7.8% vs Spain/Portugal 10.5%) | 23:40 |
| LjL | de-facto, i'm looking at vaccines, not cases | 23:46 |
| de-facto | or even better fatality rates: Italy 7.8% * 2.8% = 0.22% with Spain/Portugal 10.5% * 1.7% = 0.18% | 23:46 |
| LjL | fully vaccinated in particular are much higher in Portugal, and to a lesser extent Spain, than Italy, which in turn is better than Germany (but similar to France and the UK) | 23:46 |
| LjL | the differences are lesser when you just count doses/people | 23:47 |
| Arsanerit | I wonder how complete the reporting is. | 23:47 |
| de-facto | well for fatalities one would have to compare 100% - ${vaxpercentage} | 23:47 |
| Arsanerit | I mean how complete vaccinations are reported. | 23:48 |
| de-facto | Non-Vaccinated: Italy 100% - 68.25% = 31,75% vs 100% - 78.61% = 21,39%, Portugal > 100% - 85.21% = 14,79% of populations | 23:51 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, afaik for italy the reporting is fairly timely and complete, you go into the central system as soon as you get your shot | 23:59 |
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