libera/##covid-19/ Thursday, 2021-10-07

de-factoi really wonder what this winter will bring now, its already starting to get colder, people are going to spend more time indoors from now on00:00
de-factoi hope enough got a vaccine protection, yet i fear we will have the hospitals full of non-vaccinated hence fatality rates going up again00:01
de-factojbwncster, how is hospital utilization for COVID cases in US?00:02
jbwncsterThey’re full00:02
jbwncsterNo room for anything else00:02
jbwncsterYou can’t go to a hospital unless it’s an emergency00:02
BrainstormNew from WebMD: U.S. Spends $1 Billion to Make More Home COVID Tests Available: The White House said it will also double the number of pharmacy locations in the federal government's free testing program to 20,000 locations. With the number of community-based free testing sites, that would make 30,000 locations were Americans can get a COVID-19 test [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3dHuLR00:04
de-factowow so already at full capacity non spare left?00:04
BrainstormUpdates for Zimbabwe: +229 cases (now 131434), +3 deaths (now 4630), +6687 tests (now 1.4 million) since a day ago — Bahrain: +45 cases (now 275394), +14985 tests (now 6.5 million) since a day ago — Eswatini: +41 cases (now 46193), +2135 tests (now 353215) since a day ago — Malawi: +10 cases (now 61639), +1 deaths (now 2287), +1034 tests (now 412437) since a day ago00:05
de-factohttps://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Wochenbericht/Wochenbericht_2021-09-30.pdf?__blob=publicationFile page 2100:13
de-factocurrent vaccinations efficacy00:13
de-factoProtection against hospitalization: approx. 93% (age 18-59 years) or approx. 89% (age ≥60 years)00:13
de-factoProtection against treatment in the intensive care unit: approx. 96% (age 18-59 years) or approx. 94% (age ≥60 years)00:13
de-factoProtection against death: approx. 97% (age 18-59 years) or approx. 88% (age ≥60 years)00:13
BrainstormNew from WebMD: U.S. Spends $1 Billion to Make More Home COVID Tests Available: The White House said it will also double the number of pharmacy locations in the federal government's free testing program to 20,000 locations. With the number of community-based free testing sites, that would make 30,000 locations were Americans can get a COVID-19 test [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3dHuLR00:25
BrainstormUpdates for Palestine: +30356 cases (now 439845), +268 deaths (now 4438) since 22 hours ago — Madagascar: +712 cases (now 43610), +2 deaths (now 960) since 17 days ago — Liechtenstein: +108 cases (now 3561) since 13 hours ago — Bulgaria: +2542 cases (now 514208), +91 deaths (now 21411), +43534 tests (now 4.9 million) since 23 hours ago00:30
BrainstormUpdates for Colombia: +1393 cases (now 5.0 million), +32 deaths (now 126487), +44725 tests (now 25.8 million) since a day ago — Germany: +80 deaths (now 94499) since 13 hours ago01:07
nana_in my area, they have imported nurses from other states, and apparently they can't make these Emergency Shelter hospitals, because they would not have the staff for them01:20
nana_..and yet what do you read in the local corporate newspaper, headlines,  faintly coded advocacy to reopen more sports to fans, disguised as news01:22
LjLshow must go on01:28
de-factocrazy, maybe those journalists should rather visit the hospitals and report about their status rather than implanting wishful-thinking of unrealistic scenarios and suggest (cause) impatience towards reopening01:28
de-factoif people are to be trusted to decide themselves what kind of behavior is conductive for protecting the interests of majorities they should be properly informed about the current status01:30
BrainstormUpdates for British Virgin Islands: +83 cases (now 2725), +2995 tests (now 82570) since 17 days ago01:32
BrainstormUpdates for Ecuador: +363 cases (now 511317), +14 deaths (now 32819), +9263 tests (now 1.9 million) since a day ago02:09
BrainstormUpdates for France: +177548 cases (now 7.3 million), +2330 deaths (now 120058) since 23 hours ago — Rwanda: +132 cases (now 98209), +6 deaths (now 1296), +16715 tests (now 2.9 million) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +38896 cases (now 8.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Falkland Is.: +1 cases (now 68), +112 tests (now 7643) since 19 days ago02:34
BrainstormNew from StatNews: ‘Reaching a detente’ with SARS-CoV-2: Helen Branswell on covering Covid-19, misinformation and more: STAT published Helen Branswell's first piece on Covid-19 on Jan. 4, 2020. In a conversation on Wednesday, she reflected on covering the pandemic, the first SARS outbreak and more. → https://is.gd/Gia62p02:45
BrainstormUpdates for Angola: +553 cases (now 60448), +11 deaths (now 1598), +12188 tests (now 1.0 million) since a day ago — Guadeloupe: +149 cases (now 53734), +9912 tests (now 467423) since 19 hours ago02:59
BrainstormNew from Ars Technica: Science: Citing liberty, Idaho Lt. Gov. McGeachin bans vaccine mandates in power grab → https://is.gd/SyCd6z03:07
LjLthat is a bit surreal03:21
BrainstormUpdates for Gabon: +526 cases (now 31584), +3 deaths (now 197), +12330 tests (now 1.2 million) since a day ago03:36
AntonioPthttps://fb.watch/8tWFCs-XEu/ hello everyone what you guys think about this is this real ?03:51
LjLwhat is "this", i'm not going to watch a 15 minute rant by a senator that from the first minute or so doesn't seem to understand the the vaccines are obviously not at all "100% effective" against the Delta variant03:55
qkall[m]1@ljl i directed him here ... he's trying and genuyinely open for conversation03:57
qkall[m]1not just trying to trigger people (language difference too)03:57
qkall[m]1he's being honest with his question... i just dont' have to watch it and thought the conversation better suited here :)03:59
qkall[m]1have time** sorry heading to bed. but yes sorry.03:59
AntonioPtthxx for explaing qkall[m]104:00
BrainstormUpdates for Somalia: +323 cases (now 20900), +15 deaths (now 1152), +3410 tests (now 234593) since 3 days ago — Barbados: +300 cases (now 9823), +1 deaths (now 85), +2349 tests (now 331622) since a day ago — Channel Islands: +38 cases (now 11775), +35870 tests (now 947210) since a day ago — Mali: +30 cases (now 15368), +1 deaths (now 552), +2277 tests (now 426533) since 3 hours ago04:01
LjLAntonioPt, qkall[m]1: okay, so for what i'm concerned, the fact remains i don't want to watch it all right now; so what i can say from the first two minutes is that 1) Delta makes the vaccine much less effective than 100%, although they are still decently effective against hospitalization and death, and 2) even before Delta (well, before Alpha), the mRNA vaccines were ~95% effective, which when you have less than 60% of the population vaccinated, does *not*04:04
LjLprovide herd immunity, so you can still have case spikes04:04
AntonioPtBut in US you just have Delta or you got more ? here in Portugal we have now MU variant and we have 85% of country full vacinated and still wanna give 3 shot,... so im a bit confuse04:08
AntonioPtand in turkey they are in 4 jab shot04:08
AntonioPthow secure is this ? because its called Deadly virus,...04:09
de-factoobviously that Senator did not understood what statistics or vaccine efficacy means if he needs to cite a "anonymous" anecdotal report for "disproving" his unrealistic wish of 100% efficient vaccines. Either that or he does that on purpose04:09
AntonioPtand 3 dose here in Portugal its for people older then 65 old if it is so deadly why this peopple didnt die yet ?04:10
de-factothe fair comparison is using so called attack rates: cases for a given subgroup, e.g. ARU = cases per non-vaccinated compared to ARV = breakthrough cases per fully vaccinated04:10
AntonioPthow many variats are in US ?04:11
de-factobecause comparing those two rates means comparing for the difference the vaccine makes between those two groups (of same age and exposed to similar conditions), reflected by the relative risk RR = ARV / ARU04:11
AntonioPtwe in Portugal and Europe are with 3th variant but ...04:12
de-factothe efficacy of a vaccine protecting from a defined endpoint then is VE = 1 - RR = 1 - ARV / ARU04:12
AntonioPtbut is a deadly virus and 65 old people still alive and now wanna give 3 jab ?04:13
AntonioPtmade in less 6 moths04:13
de-factosince this is a statement about an average risk enough statistic has to be accumulated for getting proper numbers, e.g. individual cases do not allow for any statement about the average value, the expectation value for a given group04:14
AntonioPtim a bit confuse a vacine takes 7 years to be made04:14
AntonioPtand cod vax still exprimental and 3 dose here in Portugal turkey they are in 4 job04:15
qkall[m]1i know i said i was heading to bed but caught this on my way out... mrna vaccines have been understudy since the late 90's04:16
AntonioPtmade less 6 moths ? ohhh ood coul it be ?04:16
qkall[m]1they started developing them for cancer and aids/hiv04:16
AntonioPthow odd *04:16
qkall[m]1but used the same tech for covid04:17
AntonioPtqkall[m]1, get out or you gonna ha problems lol04:17
de-factoefficacy of vaccines for protecting against a specific endpoint depend on the choice of that endpoint (in order of increasing vaccine efficacy): asymptomatic infection (PCR positive, can infect others), symptomatic infection, severe symptomatic infection, hospitalization, hospitalization with ventilation, fatal outcome.04:17
qkall[m]1i know i know i just have this screen still up04:17
qkall[m]1i'm out i'm out04:17
AntonioPt:)04:17
de-factoe.g. protection against asymptomatic or mild infection is not nearly as good as protection against severe infection with hospitalization or even death04:18
de-factobut then this also is not a static function, those efficacy numbers are functions of time04:18
AntonioPtasymtomatic ? here on the new they said they dont infect otheres04:19
AntonioPt1 they said so now they said the opsite04:19
de-factobest protection is for freshly fully vaccinated, but the protection slowly fades away with time due to two effects: 1) antibody titers are decreasing with half lifes of about 70 days and 2) antigenic drift, evolution will select those mutations that have less disadvantage induced by an immunity against a specific previous version of an antigen (e.g. Wuhan-Hu-1 in case of vaccinations)04:20
AntonioPti allways get confuse but ok i just wanna have a feedback about senator04:21
de-factothat senator either does not have a clue what he is talking about or has malicious interests for some reason04:21
AntonioPtde-facto ok thxx04:22
ublxwhat de-facto said04:22
ublxclueless or political machinations, possibly both04:23
LjLAntonioPt, what tells you that 65+ old people didn't die? of course they didn't ALL die. this virus isn't "100% deadly", just like the vaccine isn't "100% effective". but have you ever had a look at graphs of excess deaths in 2020 and part of 2021?04:23
LjL%links excess deaths04:23
BrainstormLjL, https://web.archive.org/web/20200423005306/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries (The Economist) and the https://web.archive.org/web/20200424161633/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html (New York Times) have articles on excess mortality, with the former in [... want %more?]04:23
LjL%links euromomo04:24
BrainstormLjL, National data that feed into EuroMoMo are available for https://momo.isciii.es/public/momo/dashboard/momo_dashboard.html (Spain) and https://www.istat.it/it/archivio/241428 (Italy) (pages in the respective languages) [... want %more?]04:24
LjLmy country lost roughly 1.5 years of life expectancy04:24
AntonioPtmy goverment want to give 3 jab to theme and my family still all alive04:24
LjLokay so your family is a benchmark?04:25
LjLit represents what happens to people statistically at large?04:25
AntonioPtand all most all of theme are over 65 and never toke the jab04:25
de-factothat senator does not make relative statements, e.g. how many cases per citizen or vaccination etc, but rather sticks to absolute statements (thereby making comparison with the numbers he gives impossible), hence i think either he did not understand how to normalize statements (for comparison), or wants to scare people into his perspective04:25
AntonioPtand didnt got Covid didnt die and .... thats why im still confused04:25
LjLi'm sorry, qkall[m]1 said you're genuine but these are all the same trite arguments that don't get the basics of statistics (and trust me, i don't even know much more than the basics)04:26
AntonioPtLjL, i just wont to understand04:27
LjLlots of people are dying04:27
LjLyour family, luckily for you, aren't among them04:27
LjLthat doesn't mean it will continue to be that way, given the vaccine isn't specific to the Delta variant, and that the vaccine efficacy gets lower with time04:27
LjL%cases Portugal04:27
BrainstormLjL: Portugal has had 1.1 million confirmed cases (10.4% of all people) and 18008 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of 11 hours ago. 18.8 million tests were done (5.7% positive). 8.9 million were vaccinated (86.9%). +500 cases, +4 deaths since a day ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Portugal04:27
qkall[m]1as i got tagged please understand the language barrier there may be some difficulty there04:27
AntonioPthospitals around here to do nuthing just Covid thats kind of normal that people die but ...04:27
LjL18000 deaths. how many earthquakes that is?04:27
qkall[m]1he's at least very polite04:27
qkall[m]1but it's clear there's a barrier04:27
LjLabout 36 big earthquakes by italian standards04:28
LjLwithout counting all the people who didn't die, but got long COVID (i.e. will probably have problems forever)04:28
qkall[m]1and truly and i dont' mean this in how it's often used as negative04:29
qkall[m]1i truly think he's just ignorant04:29
qkall[m]1his accesss to information or good information seems not good.04:29
AntonioPtmaybe im qkall[m]1 maybe im not i just see from my family and where i leave04:29
qkall[m]1he seems honest in his hunger for knowledge but misguided04:29
qkall[m]1but yes i got to go to damn bed i just didnt' want him to be viewed as a troll.04:30
AntonioPtno conditions and still alive,...04:30
LjLqkall[m]1, i don't understand what his questions really are. "why didn't my family die?" how am i supposed to answer that04:30
qkall[m]1honestly04:30
qkall[m]1i dont' think he gets effaciy vs effectiveness04:30
qkall[m]1and liek stats and ish04:30
qkall[m]1honestly04:30
qkall[m]1like i think we can take for granted this stuff we may have invested in04:31
ublxwhy is someone who can't speak english even watching footage of an (idiotic) american senator in the first place04:31
qkall[m]1and since i come from an education background maybe i'm more forgiving04:31
LjLqkall[m]1, these graphs show the amount of people in Europe who died in 2019, 2020 and 2021 "more than the normal amount of deaths" (based on an average of previous years) https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/04:31
AntonioPtwell guys dont get piss LjL thxx for all i got stuff to do and what i wanna know i got it04:31
qkall[m]1but i'm always for trying to educate and drive education04:31
qkall[m]1...for those willing to take it04:31
AntonioPtublx i do get it english and speak well i just dont write well04:32
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: From Pakistan earthquake to malaria vaccine: 5 overnight developments from around the globe → https://is.gd/WqxW0Y04:32
qkall[m]1to be clear... i'm 100% for vaccines and ish04:32
qkall[m]1and i just didn't have time for this vidoe in our linux room04:32
LjLi'm not 100% "for vaccines"04:32
qkall[m]1so i thought it would be better dicussed hre04:32
qkall[m]1tis all04:32
LjLSweden just suspended Moderna for younger people, and Denmark followed suit04:32
LjLit's because of the myocarditis, and they're supposed to send data to EMA about that04:33
LjLso these vaccines have caused issues, and we need to look at risk/benefit analyses to decides when to use it, and on whom04:33
LjLi'm for science, including probability and statistics04:33
AntonioPtso you agree with me then LjL ?04:33
qkall[m]1i haven't seen that but as a (presumably?) fellow sciencetist i'm open to chaning my viewws given the peer reviewed data04:33
qkall[m]110000%04:33
LjLand sometimes, inevitably, i am for having a hunch that something is better than nothing (see: possible but very unlikely long-term side effects of vaccines, vs *known* long-term effects of COVID)04:34
LjLAntonioPt, i still don't really know what i am meant to agree with you with04:34
qkall[m]1he's questioning vax04:35
LjLthe vaccines are demonstrating efficacy and very few side effects on older people04:35
LjLon younger people, the picture is more complex04:35
AntonioPtyou just said Moderna has issue in Sweeden04:35
LjLjust like AZ "had issue" all over Europe. and yet, for most people, it's overwhelmingly safe04:35
LjL(and... almost effective)04:35
AntonioPtand you have more or less some population had me04:35
AntonioPtand you didnt do the some restrition has us like using mask,...04:36
LjLi am not in Sweden04:36
LjLbut from some things i've heard, the restrictions in Sweden weren't as "light" as we're made to believe04:37
BrainstormUpdates for St. Kitts and Nevis: +173 cases (now 2246), +1758 tests (now 44624) since a day ago — France: +182886 cases (now 7.3 million), +2330 deaths (now 120060) since 15 hours ago — Anguilla: +46 cases (now 499) since a day ago — Bermuda: +36 cases (now 5455), +5 deaths (now 87), +3299 tests (now 554337) since a day ago04:38
LjLi realize it's disappointing and frustrating to be told that we already need a 3rd booster04:39
LjLi certainly hoped things would work out better04:39
LjLbut Delta wasn't there, and we didn't know protection would wane so quickly04:39
AntonioPtLjL have you ever heard about Mu variant ?04:40
LjLyes04:40
LjLit's probably very vaccine-evading, but probably not more infectious than Delta (without vaccines around)04:41
AntonioPtdid Sweeden got it ? like they say Portugal got it04:41
AntonioPtdid you know from where did Mu come from ?04:41
AntonioPthere they say that come from Colombia and travel to Europe and didnt stop in Brasil or US ?04:43
de-factoit seems to be 40% less infectious in Colombia according to GISAID data https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/144586347536076800204:43
LjLAntonioPt, so far Portugal is still mostly Delta and Delta-offshots https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=PRT but there's a fair amount of "others"04:43
de-factoMu being 40% less infectious than Delta in Colombia04:43
LjLSweden is not too different https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=SWE04:43
AntonioPtthats its what they say but ...04:43
LjLbut?04:44
de-factoafaik we also had Mu in Germany, it did not had a chance against implemented measures containing the more infectious Delta04:45
AntonioPthere in Portugal they said 65 years old people is all vacinated but thats is a lie04:45
de-factothere is a distribution: portion of vaccinated people as function of age group04:46
AntonioPthow can i trust ? when i cant tell 65 or hight arent all vacinated and goverment yes it is04:46
LjLhow do you know it's a lie? (well of course they aren't "all" vaccinated but Portugal is the probably the country with MOST vaccinated people in Europe)04:47
AntonioPtlike i said a big portion of my family is 65 or more and they arent acinated so how can they say 65 > are all vacinated ?04:47
LjLare they not vaccinated because a vaccine wasn't offered, or because they refused it?04:48
AntonioPtwe dont want a exprimental vacine04:49
LjLokay so04:49
LjLqkall[m]1 may be right there is some kind of language barrier here04:49
AntonioPtand we stll all alive and never had covid,...04:49
LjLbut if i continue this discussion i'll have a barrier made of brickwall hitting my head, repeatedly04:49
LjLso i'm going to excuse myself04:49
AntonioPtno no its ok04:50
AntonioPti was trying to explain we didnt get no shot, still alived and most of my family is older then 65 and my goverment said all people older 65 or higher are 100% so how can i trst in all this lies,..04:52
AntonioPtthats all and here they try to impose mask and in your country there was no need mask,..04:53
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Mom who lost her baby after contracting COVID urges pregnant women to get vaccinated → https://is.gd/04rTEq04:53
LjLAntonioPt, it's not 100%. it's actually around 99%. see https://www.vacinacaocovid19.pt/04:55
LjL"Percentagem da população vacinada por faixa etária", select 2a dose04:55
LjLso welcome your family to the 1%04:55
de-factobtw Portugal is doing really well with the vaccinations, just look at how much less fatalities occurred in the last wave, now almost no deaths anymore https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/portugal04:55
ublxweird. owid data for full vaccination in portugal seems to stop about 2 weeks ago04:57
AntonioPthttps://www.facebook.com/direcaogeralsaude/photos/451039500898308504:57
AntonioPtthis is WHO of Portugal04:57
ublxAntonioPt: no facebook posts, thank you04:58
AntonioPtif you check there pic its there 100%04:58
AntonioPtublx its WHO of Portugal04:58
LjLapparently doesn't understand approximation to the nearest integer aside from statistics and all that05:01
BrainstormUpdates for Panama: +211 cases (now 468325), +5 deaths (now 7255), +7545 tests (now 3.9 million) since a day ago — Kuwait: +31 cases (now 411935), +17528 tests (now 4.4 million) since a day ago05:03
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Kaiser Permanente suspends 2,200 employees who have not yet gotten the COVID-19 vaccine — less than 1% of its workforce → https://is.gd/m5JC5r05:25
de-facto.title https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/sep/fixing-protein-production-errors-lengthens-lifespan05:25
Brainstormde-facto: From www.ucl.ac.uk: Fixing protein production errors lengthens lifespan | UCL News - UCL – University College London05:25
de-facto.title https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/sep/new-covid-19-treatment-patients-diabetes-shows-early-promise05:25
Brainstormde-facto: From www.ucl.ac.uk: New Covid-19 treatment for patients with diabetes shows early promise | UCL News - UCL – University College London05:25
de-facto.title https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/sep/first-findings-worlds-largest-study-long-covid-children05:25
Brainstormde-facto: From www.ucl.ac.uk: First findings from world’s largest study on long Covid in children | UCL News - UCL – University College London05:25
BrainstormUpdates for Belgium: +2604 cases (now 1.3 million), +9 deaths (now 25649) since a day ago — South Korea: +2425 cases (now 325804), +8 deaths (now 2544), +53027 tests (now 14.8 million) since a day ago — Netherlands: +1963 cases (now 2.1 million), +7 deaths (now 18618) since 20 hours ago05:41
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: PCR kit purchases could indicate COVID began in Wuhan as early as May 2019 → https://is.gd/NtBxCz06:07
BrainstormUpdates for Peru: +1034 cases (now 2.2 million), +39 deaths (now 199559), +44266 tests (now 18.1 million) since a day ago06:30
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Josiah Grindrod (@JT_Grindrod): Just a reminder that polio only paralyzed 1/1000 kids it infected but everyone lined up to get their vaccine as soon as they could anyway → https://is.gd/lObIKH06:38
archpcBill Nye Science Tip: drink water daily06:48
BrainstormUpdates for India: +21529 cases (now 33.9 million), +1853617 tests (now 578.7 million) since 13 hours ago07:08
BrainstormNew from Science-Based Medicine: Anti-vaccination ideology and COVID misinformation in chiropractic continuing education courses: “Plandemic” edition: Chiropractors can still get state-approved continuing ed credit for anti-vaccination courses, with bonus COVID misinformation now added to the curriculum. "Plandemic" star Judy Mikovits joins the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/gRtZmJ07:10
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Sydney to exit Covid-19 lockdown next week after vaccination rate hits 70% → https://is.gd/nOu2ez07:31
BrainstormUpdates for British Virgin Islands, United Kingdom: +83 cases (now 2725) since 17 days ago — St Martin, France: +13 deaths (now 55) since a day ago — Lombardy, Italy: +449 cases (now 885657), +2 deaths (now 34069) since a day ago — Falkland Islands (Malvinas), United Kingdom: +1 cases (now 68) since 19 days ago07:33
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Studies confirm waning immunity from Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine → https://is.gd/E1w1MJ07:53
BrainstormUpdates for Papua New Guinea: +256 cases (now 21896), +6 deaths (now 243), +3709 tests (now 194839) since 15 hours ago08:10
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Covid protection wanes months after second Pfizer shot, studies show → https://is.gd/GHsJdZ08:34
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | October 07, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/hVhtkn09:06
BrainstormUpdates for Armenia: +1309 cases (now 268672), +26 deaths (now 5466), +9598 tests (now 1.8 million) since a day ago — Czechia: +1048 cases (now 1.7 million), +8 deaths (now 30493), +63403 tests (now 38.6 million) since a day ago — Netherlands: +88 cases (now 2.1 million) since 16 hours ago — United Kingdom: +38932 cases (now 8.0 million) since 20 hours ago09:37
BrainstormUpdates for Hungary: +837 cases (now 826636), +6 deaths (now 30259), +16194 tests (now 7.0 million) since a day ago10:02
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Global COVID Cases For 07OCT21: Summary As Of: 07OCT @ 08:04 GMT Countries 221 + 2 Cases 237,013,728 Deaths 4,838,776 Recovered 214,136,921 Active Cases 214,276,394 Countries reporting new cases: 79 Countries reporting new deaths: 52 Countries reporting increased Active Cases: 52 Countries reporting decreased Active Cases: 33 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Ih2AoQ10:31
BrainstormUpdates for Estonia: +949 cases (now 161781), +4 deaths (now 1387), +6385 tests (now 2.0 million) since a day ago11:04
lastshellhttps://www.axios.com/covid-cases-deaths-vaccines-winter-b096801c-4d02-4033-9e46-7597bce68b02.html11:20
BrainstormUpdates for Austria: +1965 cases (now 755797), +11 deaths (now 11072), +6848 vaccines (now 5.8 million), +433055 tests (now 89.5 million) since a day ago — Germany: +10428 cases (now 4.3 million), +133127 vaccines (now 56.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Hong Kong: +8 cases (now 12252), +9501 vaccines (now 4.5 million) since 23 hours ago11:29
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO to ship COVID-19 medical supplies to North Korea → https://is.gd/oEXin311:35
BrainstormNew from BMJ: How to achieve a net zero carbon NHS during a pandemic: In January 2020, an expert panel was tasked with setting out a practical and evidence based plan for a greener NHS. A week later, the World Health Organization named covid-19 a “public health... → https://is.gd/QgNv5D11:46
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: The Lancet: Two doses of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine are highly effective against COVID-19 hospitalizations for at least six months | link to Easier Read version in comments | 04OCT21 → https://is.gd/gpJlVb11:56
BrainstormUpdates for Russia: +27550 cases (now 7.7 million), +924 deaths (now 213549), +500000 tests (now 195.0 million) since a day ago — Poland: +2007 cases (now 2.9 million), +29 deaths (now 75803), +84810 tests (now 21.2 million) since a day ago — Latvia: +1752 cases (now 166553), +10 deaths (now 2783), +19929 tests (now 4.5 million) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?]12:06
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The First Malaria Vaccine in History Gets Approval → https://is.gd/QUKNLd12:28
BrainstormUpdates for France: +183090 cases (now 7.3 million), +2357 deaths (now 120087) since 23 hours ago12:31
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Veterinary medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Leucogen, Feline leukaemia vaccine (inactivated), Date of authorisation: 17/06/2009, Revision: 8, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/XiOviT12:39
Trippy72894Dr. Robert Malone: sense? nonsense? ...more nuanced opinions?13:01
BrainstormUpdates for Indonesia: +1393 cases (now 4.2 million), +81 deaths (now 142494), +259555 tests (now 40.8 million) since a day ago — UAE: +144 cases (now 737373), +2 deaths (now 2109), +264452 tests (now 86.1 million) since 21 hours ago — Faroe Is.: +9 cases (now 1246), +1000 tests (now 439000) since a day ago [... want %more?]13:08
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Veterinary medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Leucofeligen FeLV/RCP, feline calicivirosis, feline viral rhinotrachieitis, feline infectious enteritis (feline panleucopenia) vaccine (live), feline leukaemia vaccine (inactivated), Date of authorisation: 24/06/2009, Revision: 9, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/1ihipm13:11
de-factoTrippy72894, have you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone ?13:14
Trippy72894checking now....13:15
Trippy72894i have a 2021 03 version of wikipeida offline and he isn't in it it seems13:17
Trippy72894new article i suppose13:17
pwr22Sad to see someone who made genuinely brilliant scientific discoveries to kind of go a bit crazy 40 years later13:17
Trippy72894so he's milky in the filbert?13:17
Trippy72894bonkers?13:18
Trippy72894raving?13:18
pwr22History goes back to July 29 Trippy7289413:18
Trippy72894ah13:18
pwr22Looks like he became wikipedia worthy after pushing ivermectin self medication13:18
Trippy72894i'm waiting for a new version of wikipedia next month13:18
Trippy72894ivermectin proponent eh?13:18
Trippy72894 ok he's nuts13:18
Trippy72894cheers13:18
Trippy72894jimmy dore got fooled13:19
Trippy72894sorry jimmy13:19
Trippy72894now nobody's left :)13:19
Trippy72894like bodysnatchers13:19
Trippy72894even donald sutherland is one of them13:19
pwr22Looks like the initial article someone added was way more neutral / positive in sentiment13:20
Trippy72894so you check histories13:20
Trippy72894you're all wikipedians?13:20
pwr22Lol, I look at the history from time to time13:20
Trippy72894good13:20
pwr22I don't blindly trust wiki 😛13:20
Trippy72894who would? but it's pretty good. try to add rubbish and see how long it lasts.13:21
Trippy72894quick revert, and if you persist, you are blocked13:21
pwr22Yeah indeed13:21
Trippy72894and i would have blocked you back then13:21
de-factoTrippy72894, https://smallpdf.com/result#r=8f2f8dcd6116b9724577e54f518f1b67&t=share-document13:21
Trippy72894:)13:21
pwr22Maybe this this guy isn't crazy and infact there's all a huge conspiracy 😛13:21
Trippy72894checking....13:21
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Veterinary medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Nobivac LeuFel, Feline leukaemia vaccine (inactivated), Date of authorisation: 06/11/2017, Revision: 3, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/DDzPGU13:22
Trippy72894de-facto thanks! l like that smallpdf site13:22
Trippy72894much obliged, my friend13:22
de-factoyou are welcome :)13:22
Trippy72894:)13:22
* pwr22 uploaded an image: (12KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/shortestpath.dev/GNWIXsYMKpneHSWjwnoMPEra/image.png >13:23
pwr22ha ha13:23
pwr22Trippy72894: somewhat offtopic but A bunch of times I've found that when looking into citations they aren't relevant to the points made at all13:24
pwr22This is more about obscure / complex things but it's kind of annoying and sometimes the article is wrong or contradictory in that case13:24
pwr22Mostly wiki is amazing though13:24
pwr22but I don't like how wikimedia foundation handles it's finances and sources donations etc13:24
Trippy72894so revert13:25
pwr22https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_Cancer13:25
Trippy72894i don't like how they accumulate money either13:25
Trippy72894de-facto yes, anyone who promotes ivermectin has gone slightly mad. and he's a scientist who should know better. thatnks for the wiki article13:26
Trippy72894pwr22 are you a wikipedian?13:26
pwr22I dunno what that means so probably not13:27
pwr22I have a wiki account 😀13:27
Trippy72894that means you can edit and contribute13:27
Trippy72894i encourage you to do so and help the covid articles to expand and improve13:28
Trippy72894https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anna_Frodesiak13:28
Trippy72894that was me13:28
Trippy72894retired13:28
Trippy72894it's fun and rewarding and if you're here in irc, they you're the right type. plus, you care about information and covid. you can be helpful to the project and help people get good, fact-checked, verifiable content.13:29
dTal"Anna Frodesiak" ah I get it13:32
Trippy72894:)13:32
BrainstormUpdates for Romania: +14467 cases (now 1.3 million), +282 deaths (now 38542), +66260 tests (now 13.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Slovakia: +1451 cases (now 420924), +8 deaths (now 12705), +11115 tests (now 3.7 million) since a day ago — Brunei: +112 cases (now 8262), +1 deaths (now 62), +5793 tests (now 388614) since 23 hours ago13:33
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Merck and Ridgeback’s Investigational Oral Antiviral Molnupiravir Reduced the Risk of Hospitalization or Death by Approximately 50 Percent Compared to Placebo for Patients with Mild or Moderate COVID-19 in Positive Interim Analysis of Phase 3 Study - Merck.com | 01OCT21 → https://is.gd/wMgvt313:43
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: WHO recommends ‘widespread’ use of malaria vaccine Mosquirix: Know about the mosquito-borne disease → https://is.gd/qRefuq14:04
BrainstormUpdates for Bangladesh: +663 cases (now 1.6 million), +12 deaths (now 27647), +22321 tests (now 9.9 million) since 22 hours ago14:11
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: Vaccine efficacy for Pfizer shows a greater decline in men and those with immunosuppression over a period of 6 months. Vaccine efficacy also declines more rapidly in those above 65 years of age. → https://is.gd/JZzH1Q14:15
specing'Mosquirix' lmao14:19
undefined_bobtomorrow I'll receive my new masks I ordered earlier this week14:22
undefined_bobfirst time I was able to get my hands on some in size S14:22
undefined_bobhopefully they'll fit better to my face14:22
BrainstormNew from NPR: The WHO has started shipping COVID-19 medical supplies to North Korea: North Korea has yet to report a single case of COVID-19, but outside experts widely doubt it escaped the illness that had touched nearly every other place in the world. → https://is.gd/v3cMCf14:26
BrainstormUpdates for Switzerland: +1124 cases (now 847451), +3 deaths (now 11128), +32669 tests (now 11.1 million) since 22 hours ago — Nepal: +667 cases (now 800282), +8 deaths (now 11200), +7264 tests (now 4.3 million) since 22 hours ago — Uganda: +64 cases (now 124254), +5 deaths (now 3170), +3502 tests (now 1.7 million) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?]14:36
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Orphan: Orphan designation: human monoclonal antibody against activin A, Treatment of fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva, 18/11/2016, Positive → https://is.gd/2kijvl14:37
SpearRavenivermectin14:37
SpearRaventhe swear word, the forbidden word14:38
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Orphan: Orphan designation: Three human monoclonal antibodies against the EBOV glycoprotein, Treatment of Ebola virus disease, 25/05/2018, Positive → https://is.gd/a2LbTg14:47
BrainstormUpdates for Iceland: +57 cases (now 12092), +2589 tests (now 1.1 million) since 23 hours ago — Guinea: +27 cases (now 30479), +1362 tests (now 560520) since a day ago15:00
BrainstormNew from NIH Director's blog: Learning to Protect Communities with COVID-19 Home Testing Programs: With most kids now back in school, parents face a new everyday concern: determining whether their child’s latest cough or sneeze might be a sign of COVID-19. If so, parents will want to keep their child at home to protect other students and staff, while [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/2CAHYZ15:09
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Concern on this last point, #LongCovid, and this decisionwsj.com/articles/long-… by @StephArmour1 @felschwartz w/ @PeterHotez commentary /6 pic.twitter.com/H0My1EmwTs → https://is.gd/xrUAuQ15:20
BrainstormUpdates for Belarus: +1983 cases (now 551800), +15 deaths (now 4243), +39968 tests (now 8.7 million) since a day ago15:38
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: White House and Moderna battle over global vaccine donations; Pfizer seeks FDA OK for kids to get its Covid shot → https://is.gd/byVXHd15:41
-Bridgestorm- ⭕ 地震? Earthquake? M6+ estimated tremor, possibly occurred 4 minutes ago (13:41:25 UTC), with a crescent moon, Wakaba Ward, Chiba, Japan (35.6, 140.2), ↓60 km likely felt 310 km away (in 東京都, 千葉市, 横浜市, 船橋市, 川崎市…) by 51.8 million people (www.kmoni.bosai.go.jp)15:46
-Bridgestorm- 🌒 地震! Earthquake! 6.2 M tremor, registered by yurekuru, occurred 10 minutes ago (13:41:25 UTC), with a crescent moon, Near East Coast Of Honshu, Japan (35.6, 140.16) ± 3 km, ↓64 km likely felt 320 km away → https://twitter.com/yurekuru/status/1446108460458778624 (www.kmoni.bosai.go.jp)15:51
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Pfizer, BioNTech ask US regulators to approve Covid vaccine for kids → https://is.gd/F04A3G15:53
-Bridgestorm- 🏠 地震! Earthquake! 5.9 Mw tremor, registered by EMSC, occurred 18 minutes ago (13:41:23 UTC), with a crescent moon, Mobara, Japan (35.46, 140.2) likely felt 250 km away (in 東京都, 千葉市, 横浜市, 市原市, 川崎市…) by 51.3 million people (www.seismicportal.eu)16:01
BrainstormUpdates for Saudi Arabia: +47 cases (now 547449), +4 deaths (now 8736), +47470 tests (now 29.3 million) since a day ago16:03
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): "Portable air filters effectively remove #SARSCoV2 particles from the air — the first such evidence in a real-world setting"#COVIDisAirborne the value of inexpensive high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filtersnature.com/articles/d4158… @nature pic.twitter.com/glsbIOHirz → https://is.gd/Jxddit16:04
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: mRNA COVID vaccines highly effective at preventing symptomatic infection. Health care personnel who received a two-dose regimen of Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine had an 89% lower risk for symptomatic illness. For those who received the two-dose regimen of the Moderna vaccine, the risk was reduced by 96%. → https://is.gd/nkNXfg16:25
BrainstormUpdates for Canada: +3849 cases (now 1.7 million), +52 deaths (now 28168) since 23 hours ago16:40
BrainstormUpdates for India: +22269 cases (now 33.9 million), +319 deaths (now 449899) since 23 hours ago — Namibia: +33 cases (now 127989), +3 deaths (now 3523), +1707 tests (now 715170) since a day ago — Gibraltar: +9 cases (now 5606), +889 tests (now 367177) since a day ago17:05
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: WHO starts shipping Covid-19 medical supplies to North Korea → https://is.gd/TFb8Nw17:08
BrainstormUpdates for Netherlands: +2834 cases (now 2.1 million), +10 deaths (now 18624) since 23 hours ago17:30
BrainstormNew from LitCovid: (news): The regrettable story of the "Covid Kit" and the "Early Treatment of Covid-19" in Brazil. → https://is.gd/3G0jvL17:40
BrainstormUpdates for Italy: +2933 cases (now 4.7 million), +41 deaths (now 131198), +297356 tests (now 94.4 million) since 23 hours ago — Greece: +2229 cases (now 671040), +30 deaths (now 15042), +148334 tests (now 21.5 million) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +2206 cases (now 8.0 million), +1136689 tests (now 310.4 million) since 21 hours ago [... want %more?]18:07
lastshelldoes anybody has a theory of why covid cases/deaths are cyclical ?18:12
lastshellevery 2 months approx18:12
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): A new report by @ONS on #LongCovid is particularly troubling with respect to prevalence, duration and severity of symptomsons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati… pic.twitter.com/IbD8bd8jvy → https://is.gd/O5Fmvj18:13
cosmotron[m]https://odysee.com/@theconsciousresistance:7/nursescounter:1?&sunset=lbrytv18:29
BrainstormNew from WebMD: Los Angeles Passes Country's Strictest Vaccine Mandate: The city council voted in favor of a measure that requires proof of full vaccination for all customers and staff at bars, restaurants, nail salons, spas, gyms, sports arenas, museums, indoor city facilities and other locations. → https://is.gd/XZ3Oeh18:34
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Moderna plans a vaccine plant in Africa, but critics say the move isn’t enough to ensure access → https://is.gd/TklWtC18:56
cosmotron[m]https://lbry.tv/@PressForTruth:4/Trudeau-Announces-Mandatory-Vax:319:01
de-factoplease don't post videos without commenting, its hard to watch 30 minutes of video just to get a full/appropriate picture of the content19:04
ublixcosmotron[m]: indicate you are not a bot19:08
BrainstormUpdates for Jordan: +1056 cases (now 830944), +9 deaths (now 10783), +59109 tests (now 10.3 million) since 22 hours ago — Djibouti: +63 cases (now 13179), +858 tests (now 225703) since 21 hours ago19:09
cosmotron[m]👍19:09
BrainstormUpdates for Spain: +1807 cases (now 5.0 million), +23 deaths (now 86701) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +3838 cases (now 1.7 million), +53 deaths (now 28173) since 23 hours ago19:34
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: NZ Government plans to require all teachers and support staff to be vaccinated against COVID-19 → https://is.gd/NXSAzO19:50
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Covid-19 Lockdown Cost/Benefits: A Critical Assessment of the Literature [they found them ineffective at reducing deaths] → https://is.gd/pQmbho20:11
BrainstormUpdates for Zambia: +35 cases (now 209283), +1 deaths (now 3653), +5225 tests (now 2.5 million) since 20 hours ago20:11
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Onto endemicityscience.org/doi/10.1126/sc…by @kakape @ScienceMagazine Denmark, and other countries with very high vaccination rates are making the transition as vaccines "defanged" the 🦠w/ @JeremyFarrar @DFisman @trvrb @LoneSimonsen2 pic.twitter.com/ONBpFzfhcL → https://is.gd/AWIrdm20:21
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +18856 cases (now 4.3 million), +377 deaths (now 94861) since 23 hours ago21:01
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: News Scan for Oct 07, 2021: Kids orphaned by COVID-19 Initial antibiotic for bloodstream infections Salmonella salad outbreak → https://is.gd/bT5shz21:04
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: WHO launches global COVID vaccination strategy: Lianna Matt McLernon | News Writer | CIDRAP News Oct 07, 2021 The plan aims to have 70% of each country's population vaccinated by mid-2022. → https://is.gd/pm4sxG22:29
BrainstormNew from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: Andy Becker: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://is.gd/bnKPpU23:01
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): New from Israel on booster restoration of Pfizer vaccine effectiveness across all age groups"Across all age groups, rates of confirmed infection and severe illness were substantially lower among those who received a booster dose of the BNT162b2 vaccine"medrxiv.org/content/10.110… pic.twitter.com/lwBUoD6bHj → https://is.gd/BTou5t23:12
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Regional Airlines That Fly for the Major U.S. Carriers Aren’t Mandating Vaccines for Staff — Yet → https://is.gd/PMziQs23:33
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: No quarantine for fully vaccinated Indians travelling to UK from October 11 → https://is.gd/SKRR8z23:54

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