libera/##covid-19/ Saturday, 2021-10-30

BrainstormUpdates for Bahrain: +31 cases (now 276749), +16148 tests (now 6.9 million) since 23 hours ago00:03
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): I can understand how the amount of data released about COVID-19 on a daily basis feels overwhelming for anyone, irrespective of training, prior expertise and/or ideology. It may cause stack overflow the human brain likely didn't evolve to handle [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/145420686436794778100:05
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): the benefit of a 3rd dose in reducing transmission is sizeable and increases with vaccine coverage and contact rates among individuals. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/145420739002340557500:15
BrainstormNew from The Lancet (Online): Noam Barda, Noa Dagan, Cyrille Cohen, Miguel A Hernán, Marc Lipsitch, Isaac S Kohane, Ben Y Reis, Ran D Balicer: [Articles] Effectiveness of a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine for preventing severe outcomes in Israel: an observational study → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02249-2/fulltext00:37
BrainstormUpdates for Rwanda: +63 cases (now 99628), +1 deaths (now 1328), +21212 tests (now 3.1 million) since a day ago00:40
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): VISION Network; 7000 people: unvaccinated but with a previous COVID-19 infection 5.5x more likely to get a new COVID-19 infection than those who had received an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/7… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/145421714616324096100:47
BrainstormUpdates for Bulgaria: +5256 cases (now 598199), +154 deaths (now 23872), +53290 tests (now 5.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Argentina: +1373 cases (now 5.3 million), +19 deaths (now 115935), +48650 tests (now 25.1 million) since 23 hours ago — Faroe Is.: +81 cases (now 2011), +8000 tests (now 478000) since 22 hours ago01:05
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Dr. Michael B. Riordan (@michael_riordan): Throughout the pandemic, children have been told by people like Dr Alwan they must suffer to protect the rest of us from a disease that presents itself only mildly in children. And we are the ‘childists’? Orwell would be stumped at the level [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michael_riordan/status/145422077345597030601:18
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: US intel doesn't expect to determine origins of COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qiotan/us_intel_doesnt_expect_to_determine_origins_of/01:29
BrainstormUpdates for Uruguay: +315 cases (now 393454), +1 deaths (now 6077), +10611 tests (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Paraguay: +30 cases (now 460974), +2 deaths (now 16245), +1922 tests (now 1.9 million) since 23 hours ago01:30
BrainstormUpdates for Mayotte: +58 cases (now 20555), +3 deaths (now 185) since 3 days ago — Gabon: +273 cases (now 35525), +4 deaths (now 239), +7100 tests (now 1.3 million) since a day ago02:07
BrainstormUpdates for Barbados: +369 cases (now 17151), +2313 tests (now 385001) since a day ago — India: +13562 cases (now 34.3 million), +552 deaths (now 457773) since 20 hours ago — Curacao: +9 cases (now 17062), +3389 tests (now 311127) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +43168 cases (now 9.0 million) since 21 hours ago02:32
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Pfizer and BioNTech Receive First U.S. FDA Emergency Use | 29OCT21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qiqkvv/pfizer_and_biontech_receive_first_us_fda/03:02
BrainstormUpdates for Djibouti: +6 cases (now 13478), +1493 tests (now 235917) since a day ago03:09
lastshell4 booster is true ?03:18
specinglastshell: covid vaccines seem to be like workout.. if you don't workout then your muscles get weak03:20
specingbooster is now highly encouraged for everyone after 6 months past vaccination03:21
lastshellwell I workout :D03:21
specinglastshell: your immune system needs a workout as well03:21
lastshellso now will be every 6 months03:22
specingseems so03:22
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Tonga reports its first ever COVID-19 case of the pandemic in traveller from New Zealand → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qiqml8/tonga_reports_its_first_ever_covid19_case_of_the/03:23
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: COVID roundup: All adults have been offered at least one shot, health minister says | 29OCT21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qir21g/covid_roundup_all_adults_have_been_offered_at/03:34
BrainstormUpdates for Panama: +201 cases (now 472398), +1 deaths (now 7315), +7996 tests (now 4.1 million) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +7423 cases (now 2.2 million) since 23 hours ago — Bermuda: +10 cases (now 5647), +1 deaths (now 101), +3855 tests (now 593903) since a day ago03:34
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Third COVID shot reduces hospitalization by 93%, mortality by 81% → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qirrt5/third_covid_shot_reduces_hospitalization_by_93/04:26
BrainstormUpdates for South Korea: +2103 cases (now 362639), +13 deaths (now 2830), +44914 tests (now 15.8 million) since 23 hours ago — New Zealand: +162 cases (now 6286), +28925 tests (now 4.1 million) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +43258 cases (now 9.0 million), +187 deaths (now 140815) since 23 hours ago04:36
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Effectiveness of a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine for preventing severe outcomes in Israel: an observational study ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/855GEJE5 )05:12
BrainstormNew from Science-Based Medicine: Science and Medicine: In a previous article, I explored what I thought it meant to be anti-vaccine.  In that article I wrote, “the core that unites anti-vaccine thought is: 1) inappropriate minimization of the risk of the virus, and 2) inappropriate minimization of the safety and efficacy of the [... want %more?] → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/69268-2/05:29
BrainstormUpdates for Belgium: +8737 cases (now 1.4 million), +18 deaths (now 25994) since a day ago05:38
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: If Covid-19 Came From Wuhan Lab, It Wasn’t Engineered, U.S. Spy Agencies Say → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/qit4pw/if_covid19_came_from_wuhan_lab_it_wasnt/05:40
BrainstormNew from This Week In Virology: TWiV 823: COVID-19 clinical update #86 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #86, Dr. Griffin discusses virologic features of infection in children, antibody tests should not be used to asses level of protection, test-to-stay programs in schools, FDA authorizes Moderna boosters, results of [... want %more?] → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-823/06:12
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: 12 states sue Biden administration over Covid-19 vaccine rule → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/12-states-sue-biden-administration-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-7598429/06:33
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +21959 cases (now 4.6 million) since 19 hours ago — Peru: +840 cases (now 2.2 million), +18 deaths (now 200197), +43898 tests (now 19.0 million) since a day ago — India: +11751 cases (now 34.3 million) since 13 hours ago06:41
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: FDA paves way for Pfizer Covid-19 vaccinations in young kids → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/fda-paves-way-for-pfizer-covid-19-vaccinations-in-young-kids-7598450/06:43
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19 origins may never be known, US intelligence agencies say → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qiu3xw/covid19_origins_may_never_be_known_us/06:54
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_ITALIA: La stessa procedura si fa con l'antrace, e poi ci vogliono far credere che il vaccino è come un aspirina → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA/comments/qiuo8e/la_stessa_procedura_si_fa_con_lantrace_e_poi_ci/07:25
BrainstormUpdates for Thuringen, Germany: +2590 cases (now 151720), +23 deaths (now 4507) since a day ago — Chernihiv Oblast, Ukraine: +1113 cases (now 72290), +14 deaths (now 1660) since 23 hours ago — Unknown, Netherlands: +62 cases (now 7102) since 23 hours ago — Mayotte, France: +58 cases (now 20555), +3 deaths (now 185) since 3 days ago07:30
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: US Supreme Court rejects religious challenge to Maine vaccine mandate → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/us-supreme-court-rejects-religious-challenge-to-maine-vaccine-mandate-7598474/07:56
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | October 30, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/qiw0up/daily_discussion_thread_october_30_2021/09:09
BrainstormUpdates for Czechia: +5735 cases (now 1.8 million), +31 deaths (now 30736), +210019 tests (now 40.5 million) since 23 hours ago09:10
BrainstormUpdates for Georgia: +4610 cases (now 715865), +42 deaths (now 10003), +55815 tests (now 10.2 million) since a day ago — Armenia: +2193 cases (now 306739), +52 deaths (now 6284), +14574 tests (now 2.1 million) since 22 hours ago09:35
BrainstormUpdates for Lithuania: +3044 cases (now 406095), +33 deaths (now 5833), +24635 tests (now 5.6 million) since 23 hours ago10:00
leerbi%cases Switzerland10:01
Brainstormleerbi: Switzerland has had 872558 confirmed cases (10.2% of all people) and 11540 deaths (1.3% of cases) as of 17 hours ago. 11.6 million tests were done (7.5% positive). 5.7 million were vaccinated (66.5%). +2 cases since 2 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Switzerland10:01
Brainstormleerbi: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Switzerland, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it.10:01
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: Study suggests COVID-19 stress has spurred nightmares revolving around themes like confinement and apocalypse scenarios → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/qiwf0d/study_suggests_covid19_stress_has_spurred/10:21
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Assessment of Cognitive Function in Patients After COVID-19 Infection → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/qix6h2/assessment_of_cognitive_function_in_patients/10:31
BrainstormUpdates for Cayman Is.: +154 cases (now 1650) since a day ago — Germany: +21961 cases (now 4.6 million) since 23 hours ago10:37
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Dumb people gonna dumb: submitted by /u/CerebralGladiator to r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/qixc0i/dumb_people_gonna_dumb/10:52
BrainstormUpdates for Slovakia: +5142 cases (now 479737), +18 deaths (now 13018), +17638 tests (now 3.9 million) since 23 hours ago11:02
BrainstormUpdates for Poland: +9806 cases (now 3.0 million), +115 deaths (now 76990), +59181 tests (now 22.1 million) since a day ago — Austria: +6102 cases (now 825297), +12 deaths (now 11345), +338420 tests (now 96.9 million) since 23 hours ago11:39
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: COVID-19 can cause diabetes, experts find → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/qiy8to/covid19_can_cause_diabetes_experts_find/11:54
sdfgsdfgcovid 19 can cause diabetes ? lol wtf11:55
sdfgsdfglooking forward to see "it can give you HIV" news11:55
sdfgsdfgthat would be biblical11:55
sdfgsdfgcovid is probably over soon11:56
Arsaneritsdfgsdfg: Why do you find that amusing?11:59
Arsaneritand what does the bible have to do with anything?  There was neither covid nor HIV back then and the authors were not familiar with diabetes.11:59
sdfgsdfgwhat the fuck ? how do you jump to these conclusions11:59
sdfgsdfgwhat made you think I'm amused ?11:59
Arsaneritsdfgsdfg: You wrote "lol", which means "laughing out loud".  In human behaviour, laughing is usually an expression of joy or amusement.12:00
ArsaneritWhy were you laughing out loud?12:00
sdfgsdfgyou are really bad at interpreting things12:00
sdfgsdfgyou're the kind that takes things too literally12:01
sdfgsdfgwhich is why you're probably about 55 - 60 years old12:01
sdfgsdfgyou learned about lol expression and now you think we are all rolling on floor12:01
sdfgsdfgand your fancy words still dont justify your jumping to conclusions12:01
sdfgsdfgit was a random expression of excitement12:01
sdfgsdfgto be even more vague12:01
sdfgsdfgfor the record I also think that you're shit at understanding poems12:02
sdfgsdfgprobably! :P12:02
MerlinMp[m]I would agree even flu could cause million other diseases in case of 1% infected12:02
Arsaneritsdfgsdfg: I am 36 years old and I interpreted "lol" and "rofl" in exactly the same way as I did today ten or fifteen years ago.12:03
sdfgsdfgyeah as if new variants wasn't enough, I'm also frustrated12:03
sdfgsdfgI'm not sure what expression I should be using for Arsanerit now12:03
ArsaneritI didn't know that people between 55 and 60 are more likely to take things literally.  Are they?12:04
sdfgsdfg=/ would be better12:04
sdfgsdfgArsanerit dont change the subject now now12:04
BrainstormUpdates for Estonia: +1891 cases (now 192092), +14 deaths (now 1516), +8784 tests (now 2.1 million) since a day ago12:04
Arsanerit"lol" is also a Dutch noun, first recorded in the 16th century, meaning "fun".12:04
sdfgsdfgI respect my elders lol12:04
ArsaneritThen I hope your elders are fully vaccinated.12:04
BrainstormNew from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 28 ottobre 2021: Ulteriori misure  urgenti  in  materia  di  contenimento  e  gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19. (21A06515) → http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2021/10/30/21A06515/SG12:05
MerlinMp[m]My wife week after flu vaxx caught smallpox. I doubt if theres any coincidence but it happened12:05
sdfgsdfgsmallpox from flu vax ? wow12:05
MerlinMp[m]Her doctor was really shocked because this was relatively new vax, but smallpox came from infection not injection12:06
sdfgsdfgthe fact that delta is evolving is really not giving much of a hope12:08
MerlinMp[m]So sick were kids of one of our friend, but friend was not sick. Thats why it was difficult to track the source12:08
sdfgsdfgMerlinMp[m] so it was a sideeffect, maybe made her more vulnerable to it somehow12:09
sdfgsdfghmmmm12:09
MerlinMp[m]No, just coincidence of contact with virus and vax same week12:10
ArsaneritWith almost nobody in the poorest countries of the world being vaccinated, it seems unlikely that the pandemic will be "over soon".12:10
sdfgsdfgI agree and so many people are in denial12:12
MerlinMp[m]There are many people having covid like a flu, Im not surprised they have different understanding12:13
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: The difference in the dynamics of SARS-COV-2 variants → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/qiygmj/the_difference_in_the_dynamics_of_sarscov2/12:15
de-factoSMALLPOX? whaaat?12:21
de-factosmallpox is the only pathogen that humans were able to eradicate by vaccinations12:27
MerlinMp[m]Ups, its chickenpox, my medical english is terrible12:27
de-factothen she should take Vitamin B1212:29
BrainstormUpdates for Brunei: +110 cases (now 13065), +1 deaths (now 87), +2713 tests (now 499795) since a day ago12:29
BrainstormNew from NPR: Parents should be patient about getting COVID vaccines for kids, White House says: There are fresh logistical challenges, warns the White House's COVID czar in an exclusive interview with NPR. For [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/10/30/1050690655/parents-should-be-patient-about-getting-covid-vaccines-for-kids-white-house-says13:17
BrainstormUpdates for Latvia: +2879 cases (now 217339), +39 deaths (now 3237), +27429 tests (now 4.9 million) since 23 hours ago — Belarus: +1992 cases (now 598183), +18 deaths (now 4614), +37713 tests (now 9.6 million) since a day ago — Uganda: +75 cases (now 126075), +5 deaths (now 3215), +5136 tests (now 1.8 million) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?]13:31
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): I would laugh at the suggestion that COVID will burn itself out but not in a jovial mood right now. → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/145441266138750976313:48
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 30OCT21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qj08cn/global_covid_cases_for_30oct21/14:20
BrainstormUpdates for Indonesia: +620 cases (now 4.2 million), +27 deaths (now 143388), +239386 tests (now 46.5 million) since a day ago — Germany: +18398 cases (now 4.6 million) since 21 hours ago — Qatar: +92 cases (now 239143), +4465 tests (now 2.8 million) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +42480 cases (now 9.0 million) since 19 hours ago14:33
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Covid vaccine: UK cuts gap between second dose and booster jabs for vulnerable groups → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/uk-covid-vaccine-doses-booster-gap-7599162/14:41
sdfgsdfgcut the gap !! yeah14:46
sdfgsdfgnot just for the vulnerable, but us and the babies too. Big city life \o/14:47
sdfgsdfgmaybe the future is weekly anal injections14:49
sdfgsdfgas soon as youre born lol14:49
ArsaneritWhy anal?14:57
lastshellI'm old fashion a jab is best for me14:59
ArsaneritNo nasal vaccines for you?15:00
lastshellthats ok but not pulling out my pants15:00
ArsaneritDo anal vaccines exist?15:01
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): It would be nice if all the people that promised cellular immunity would take over for waning antibodies would donate or forgo their booster dosesIt is the JCVI and @profvrr recc to get a boost with the virus@macroliter I'm looking at [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/145443242577859789715:02
BrainstormUpdates for UAE: +88 cases (now 739824), +297441 tests (now 93.1 million) since a day ago — Denmark: +2 deaths (now 2713), +136017 tests (now 85.9 million) since 22 hours ago15:11
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Tonga faces lockdown after first Covid case detected | 30OCT21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qj11xr/tonga_faces_lockdown_after_first_covid_case/15:12
de-factohaving BIG increase in cases in Germany, R~1.3 and not peaking yet15:14
de-factoi think this is the governments fault, they basically took back too many successful containment efforts at once15:17
ArsaneritWhat containment efforts were taken away?15:17
de-factofree testing, restrictions to gatherings, mask wearing etc15:18
ArsaneritWas mask wearing taken away anywhere?15:18
de-factonow they are even talking about removing the legal framework from national law so that federal states can not refer to a epidemic emergency of national impact15:21
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Eleven states sue US government over Covid-19 vaccine mandate for federal contractors | 29OCT21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qj1c1l/eleven_states_sue_us_government_over_covid19/15:23
de-factoremoving free testing, support for quarantine, mandatory masks in many scenarios, upper boundaries for gatherings and events even indoors etc15:24
de-factoand then wondering why cases explode even with much less testing15:24
* de-facto prevents himself from a super heated rant and tries to cool down15:25
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Uganda: Clean Up Covid-19 Test Mess At Entebbe Airport | 30OCT21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qj1ipj/uganda_clean_up_covid19_test_mess_at_entebbe/15:33
BrainstormUpdates for Nepal: +297 cases (now 812194), +11 deaths (now 11399), +5316 tests (now 4.4 million) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +166 cases (now 1.6 million), +8 deaths (now 27862), +13240 tests (now 10.3 million) since a day ago15:35
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: US authorises Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine for children aged 5-11 years → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qj1nu4/us_authorises_pfizer_covid19_vaccine_for_children/15:44
ublx%title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaRfbJE1qZ415:49
Brainstormublx: From www.youtube.com: Special Episode: Engineering the Apocalypse by Rob Reid and Sam Harris - YouTube15:49
ublx^  Who fancies a 4 hour podcast about future (man-made) pandemic risk/preparedness?15:49
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Europe embraces booster vaccines to fight Covid-19's fourth wave | 30OCT21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qj1unq/europe_embraces_booster_vaccines_to_fight/15:54
BrainstormUpdates for Saudi Arabia: +41 cases (now 548571), +3 deaths (now 8793), +34149 tests (now 30.3 million) since 23 hours ago16:00
de-factowe urgently need more testing and more vaccinations16:10
de-factootherwise this winter will get worse than last year16:11
de-factohttps://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/COVID-19-Trends/COVID-19-Trends.html?__blob=publicationFile#/home16:12
Arsaneritworse really?16:18
Arsanerit"7-Tage-Inzidenz Hospitalisierungen16:19
Arsanerit"7-Tage-Inzidenz Hospitalisierungen" looks to be going down again?16:19
ArsaneritWhat is the forecast for the peak hospitalisation incidence or intensivregister if no action taken?16:19
Arsaneritand positivanteil does not consider rapid antigen (self)16:20
Arsaneritand positivanteil does not consider rapid antigen (self-)tests I think?  So not very useful measure anymore, considering many people will only do a PCR test after a rapid antigen test shows positive?16:21
ArsaneritAlmost all adults who want to have now been fully vaccinated.  Do I, fully vaccinated, need to refrain from anything important to protect people who by their own choice are not fully vaccinated?16:22
de-factothats exactly why it will get worse, people assume that vaccination alone will protect us, yet there is no such thing as herd immunity16:23
de-factowe do need additional non-pharmaceutical measures such as tests, masks, preventing super spread scenarios etc in order to contain it with R<116:24
de-factoyet we are removing all of those, vaccination rates are going down, daily new infections increase faster than exponential with R~1.3 > 1 and dR/dt > 016:25
de-factohospital personnel exhausted and quit, we have thousands less beds than last year16:26
de-factoi hope for the best, but i really think it got the potential to become worse than last winter, because people assume the pandemic is over. ifs far from over16:27
ArsaneritI know there is no such thing as herd immunity, but the risk of hospitalisation if fully vaccinated is greatly reduced.16:28
ArsaneritI readily believe that more people will get infected than last winter, but I am not convinced that more people will be hospitalised.16:28
ArsaneritI don't think it's over, but I don't interact with any unvaccinated people so I don't think I need to be as careful as I was before, because the consequences of an infection are probably much less serious than before.16:29
de-factowell comparing week 42 2021 with 2020 we already got 3 times the death rate of last year, will it remain there or also follow the sharp rise in infections that we see now?16:29
de-factoyes the vaccines do work (actually very well) but they are not nearly enough to prevent all the problems associated with COVID16:31
de-factoand yes its mostly non-vaccinated having fatal outcome, yet we are talking about 1 out of every 3 Germans not being vaccinated yet and vaccination rates are going *down* not up16:32
ArsaneritI don't know, how is the death rate developing in countries like UK and Denmark that have had their "freedom days"?16:33
de-factoi wonder if Halloween Party tomorrow will increase infections even more16:33
de-factomaybe all the symbols like skulls etc are quite appropriate16:34
Arsaneritbut they're all outside?16:37
BrainstormUpdates for Laos: +858 cases (now 39586), +1 deaths (now 62), +7175 tests (now 635027) since a day ago — Canada: +2515 cases (now 1.7 million), +26 deaths (now 29008) since 21 hours ago — Haiti: +137 cases (now 23960), +9 deaths (now 671), +11176 tests (now 131683) since a day ago16:38
de-factohttps://www.offloop.net/covid19/?default=EU;United%20Kingdom;France;Spain;Germany;Portugal;Denmark&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes16:38
de-factoArsanerit, its cold so they will go inside in the evening and night16:39
ArsaneritOh, I thought Halloween was a party where the kids were walking outside extorting people for candy16:39
ArsaneritEven in the UK death rate is still 6× lower than at the peak last year16:40
de-factoah yeah that should be fine, yet i think people will celebrate that like a party too16:40
de-factoyeah it would be a lot higher without vaccinations, yet its increasing, so there has to be done something about that16:40
Arsaneritand 1/3rd lower than last year at 28 October16:41
Arsaneritwhereas last year they had lockdowns and the original strain (or did they have alpha?), today they have delta16:41
dTalI've been invited to a rave in a pub tonight16:41
Arsaneritso despite delta and freedom day, death rates are still lower than last year at this time (I don't know about UK hospitalisation rates)16:41
ArsaneritPlus, many of the hospitalised people are unvaccinated by their own choice, so it's partly due to their own actions.16:42
dTalit occured to me that, on halloween of all times, you can get away with wearing a respirator as normal attire16:42
de-factoand if you look at those graphs Germany got by far the steepest increase in both cases and deaths16:42
ArsaneritWhy does Germany have the steepest increase, when Denmark and UK have more liberal policies?16:42
ArsaneritUK cases are high, but not increasing much.16:43
de-factobecause of transition we had more or less stable case numbers before and now taking back NPIs while seasonality kicks in16:43
ArsaneritWhy are cases in Bavaria so much higher than in Bremen?16:43
de-factothis is exactly the wrong thing to do if the goal is to prevent infections16:43
de-factoi am pretty sure the current approach will be seen as mistake some months into the winter16:44
ArsaneritUK cases increased sharply between 15 May and 18 July.  UK deaths increased sharly between 21 May and 10 September.  But since then UK cases and deaths have gone rather up and down, up and down.  What changed in the UK?16:45
de-factopathogen reproduction only depends on the attitude that influences peoples behavior, so everything that influences that will have direct impact on reproduction number, be it some law or be it some assumption or such16:47
ArsaneritAnd despite a lower base level, there is also an exponential increase again in France and Italy, which have rather strong covid pass restrictions.  Why is R in Italy larger than in UK?16:48
ArsaneritThe only explanation I can think of is that *so* many people in the UK are being infected, that the absolute rate of spread has hit a peak.16:48
ArsaneritIf that explanation is true, then we should see R drop in Austria, Germany, Netherlands within a fortnight or so.16:49
ArsaneritAs probably a very large number of unconfirmed vaccinated infections, due to vaccinated people (1) less likely to test, and (2) less likely to develop symptoms.16:50
de-factoi think we will see a sharp increase in cases in the next two weeks16:51
ArsaneritWe are already seeing a sharp increase now, and I agree.16:52
ArsaneritBut what will be the peak of the infection rate, hospitalisation rate, and death rate, if no action is taken?16:53
de-factoand i am pretty sure nothing really will be done about that until hospitals are full16:53
de-factothen we will hope to have contained the infections earlier16:54
de-factomost of all this is psychology, right now people assume vaccinations alone suffice and are not careful anymore, hence cases will rise16:57
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: China’s COVID-19 outbreak developing rapidly, health official says → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/chinas-covid-19-outbreak-developing-rapidly-health-official-says-7599425/16:57
ArsaneritThe vaccination alone is probably sufficient to reduce the risk that I or my wife get hospitalised to a level such that we no longer refrain from meeting anyone at all.16:58
ArsaneritIt has a social cost to not meet up with any friends in person for more than 1½ year.16:59
Arsaneritso we think it is now an acceptable risk to invite two vaccinated friends for dinner17:01
Arsaneritshould we not?17:01
de-factoi think people should try to prevent spread of the pathogen, vaccinated or not, this is the origin cause of all our problems17:02
ArsaneritPeople will be quite lonely never meeting anyone for two years, that is damaging too.17:03
BrainstormUpdates for Chile: +2142 cases (now 1.7 million), +70922 tests (now 23.5 million) since 23 hours ago — India: +1069 cases (now 34.3 million), +15 deaths (now 457787) since 21 hours ago17:03
de-factovaccination is good for protecting the individual itself by lowering risk of severe progressions significantly, but spread only can be prevented by detecting carriers and isolating them17:03
de-factoso that means we need *more* testing not less17:03
ArsaneritHas any country succeeded in stopping the spread of delta?17:03
ArsaneritIs that a realistic prospect?17:03
de-factoNZ probably could have done that, China will try now i guess17:04
ArsaneritI thought NZ had given up on its "zero covid" strategy.17:04
de-factoexactly but they could have done it if not have given up17:04
ArsaneritAnd NZ tried it on a country level, meaning people could still meet their friends.17:04
de-factomost likely could have succeeded17:04
ArsaneritLockdowns prohibiting individuals from meeting each other for months or years have a much heavier toll, in particular if it involves school closures.17:05
de-factowell lockdowns are only the last option when every other approach failed, it pretty much is giving up on tracing and isolating17:07
de-factobut why? if we would have enough testing to end at least as many infection chains than a carrier would have started on average we would regain control with forcing R<1 transition17:08
de-factoevery kindergarden, school, university, working place, basically every place where people meet should make biweekly testing mandatory17:14
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Saturday 30 October 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/qj3df3/saturday_30_october_2021_update/17:18
de-factoand especially every party17:20
ArsaneritTo protect the minority unvaccinated by choice, the even smaller minority unvaccinated because they can't, or the minority who will get seriously ill despite vaccination?17:20
de-factoits not a minority, we are all together in this, vaccinated or not, one nation or the other17:21
de-factoif we allow breeding of evasive strains the vaccinated will have breakthrough infections at increasing rates17:22
de-factoand that in turn means everything that polarizes the society prevents collaborative containment efforts, hence works in favor of pathogen spread and thereby breeding evasive mutants17:24
de-factothere are no minorities because there is no separation17:25
Arsaneritinfection strengthens the immune system?17:27
Arsaneritisn't that pretty much like a booster?17:27
de-factoyes it is like a booster17:27
de-factowith much more associated health risks though17:27
de-factoyet if that would prevent further infections, why are cases not going down in UK then?17:28
ArsaneritI don't know, but they're not going up much anymore either17:35
de-factowe will have to see, winter is not there yet17:36
de-factoseasonality will have the biggest increase on pathogen reproduction in Jan17:36
ArsaneritIsn't it inevitable that it's going to remain endemic (it already is really) and be present in seasonal waves, with which our healthcare system will have to cope, not unlike the flu?17:37
ArsaneritYou say, mandatory testing for all who meet anyone (essentially), but for how long?  Forever?  Until we have zero covid world wide?17:38
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Adding to the body of data for booster shot effectiveness, a new @TheLancet report of over 728,000 people w/ 3 shots vs >728,000 matched controls (2 shots):93% reduction of Covid hospitalizationsthelancet.com/journals/lance… pic.twitter.com/LlBwWi2Vtw → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/145447130004746240417:39
de-factoyes as long as the pathogen is in circulation we only have two options 1) control its spread by ending infection chains 2) ignore its presence and accept all the increasing problems such as it evading immunity and becoming more aggressive17:40
BrainstormUpdates for Netherlands: +7952 cases (now 2.2 million), +13 deaths (now 18836) since 14 hours ago — Jordan: +1022 cases (now 860818), +12 deaths (now 11028), +21666 tests (now 10.9 million) since 22 hours ago17:40
de-factoor oscillating in between those as we are doing it right now17:40
de-factosteering always into another direction of course will lead to waves, letting it saturate will lead to a more stable maximum contamination17:42
ArsaneritThe only way to avoid mutants would be to eradicate it worldwide; for a virus where such a high proportion has no or mild symptoms (even if not vaccinated), that does not seem to be a realistic prospect, and I'm not convinced society worldwide is willing to pay what it takes.  That has only succeeded with viruses that cause much worse diseases (smallbox, ebola).17:45
de-factowell its still on its path to become more aggressive and diverse in terms of lineages17:45
ArsaneritOh, rinderpest too.17:46
ArsaneritIf it kills 30% and leaves the rest blind, I strongly suspect people are willing to accept more restrictions again.17:46
de-factowell that is part of the probem, people still think its harmless, yet its not and it becomes more problematic with each wave by new variant of concern17:48
ArsaneritMaybe it is the "problem" that it's harmless to the majority of infected people and the large majority of infected vaccinated people.17:48
de-factoshould we really breed this until it became problematic enough that everyone is convinced that the associated problem became serious enough to reason for finally containing it?17:49
ArsaneritI don't think it will ever be contained worldwide.17:50
de-factothen it will further progress on its trajectory to become more fit in the human body under the current most widely spread selective pressure by pre-existing antibodies and thereby increase the associated problem by evading immunity and increasing associated severity17:52
de-factoi mean why would that not happen?17:52
Arsanerityet at the same time, the human immune system aided by continued vaccine development will help the body to defend against it17:53
de-factoits the path we already can observe and it also is exactly what we would expect17:53
ArsaneritA new virus can eradicate entire populations, such as happened in the Americas after Europeans invaded.17:53
de-factowell yes but to what degree will it be able to defend the human body against it? the damage originates from the immune system itself due to the viral infection17:54
ArsaneritThe impact on a population where the virus has been circulating for a long time is less severe.17:54
ArsaneritI don't know.  I'm not a virologist.17:54
de-factoonly if the virus has reached some natural limit in increasing its fitness17:54
de-factoso where would that be with SARS-CoV-217:55
de-factohas it already optimized all its mechanisms that help with viral replication?17:55
de-factoi doubt it17:55
de-factowhat we really should look at is long COVID17:58
de-factoi think this is causing more damage than we think and we should not risk producing long COVID cases at maximum possible rate when aiming for saturating infections17:59
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Michal Tal, PhD (@ImmunoFever): I had to delete a tweet that got picked up by trolls. All I'm going to say is that vaccine confidence is NOT thinking that you're now bullet proof against this virus and you can't possibly catch it or pass it to your kids. That's vaccine dillusion not vaccine confidence. → https://twitter.com/ImmunoFever/status/145447299079256064617:59
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Food & Wine: Heirs step up as Covid deaths rock Bangkok’s famous street-food stalls → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/food-wine/heirs-step-up-as-covid-deaths-rock-bangkoks-famous-street-food-stalls-7597022/18:20
Arsanerit"dillusion"?18:23
BrainstormUpdates for Italy: +4877 cases (now 4.8 million), +37 deaths (now 132074), +477352 tests (now 103.9 million) since 23 hours ago18:30
de-facto.title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.07.21263228v1.full-text19:06
Brainstormde-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Analysis of 2.1 million SARS-CoV-2 genomes identifies mutations associated with transmissibility | medRxiv19:06
de-factohttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/09/13/2021.09.07.21263228/F2.large.jpg19:07
BrainstormUpdates for India: +12570 cases (now 34.3 million), +441 deaths (now 458213) since 23 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +759 cases (now 380974), +3 deaths (now 4129), +5425 tests (now 2.2 million) since a day ago19:07
de-factoalmost looks like if the base reproduction number *itself* follows an exponential evolution over time19:08
de-facto.title https://github.com/broadinstitute/pyro-cov19:09
Brainstormde-facto: From github.com: GitHub - broadinstitute/pyro-cov: Pyro models of SARS-CoV-2 variants19:09
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Health Ministry to open panel on vaccinating 5-11-year-olds to public → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/qj541u/health_ministry_to_open_panel_on_vaccinating/19:13
de-factoincrease in reproduction over time for strains at https://github.com/broadinstitute/pyro-cov/blob/master/paper/strains.tsv19:14
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +40835 cases (now 9.1 million), +167 deaths (now 140981) since 20 hours ago19:32
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The top 10 countries for covid cases/capital globally are all in Eastern Europe pic.twitter.com/OPcDuoKnug → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/145449958806947430519:33
jbwncsterhttps://www.vox.com/2021/10/29/22753429/supreme-court-vaccine-mandate-maine-does-mills-religious-right-exemption-liberty-constitution19:41
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Relationship of vaccinations and deaths in Europe via @TWenseleers twitter.com/TWenseleers/st… pic.twitter.com/1OTlADim8V → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/145450173275131494819:44
JigsyHow bad is the Coronavirus situation in the UK at the moment because I honestly have no idea.19:48
JigsyI know cases are >40K/day, and deaths are like, 100.19:48
JigsyBut other than that, I have no clue what's going on.19:48
de-facto.title https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/19:53
Brainstormde-facto: From coronavirus.data.gov.uk: Daily summary | Coronavirus in the UK19:53
de-factoand VoI AY.4.2 on increase about 10%-20% more contagious than other Delta variants19:54
BrainstormUpdates for Moldova: +1255 cases (now 337115), +41 deaths (now 7706), +16689 tests (now 2.0 million) since a day ago — Zambia: +20 cases (now 209722), +1 deaths (now 3661), +5033 tests (now 2.6 million) since a day ago20:09
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Global numbers of Covid cases and deaths rise for the first time in 2 months, WHO says → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qj6qbm/global_numbers_of_covid_cases_and_deaths_rise_for/20:15
BrainstormUpdates for Canada: +1779 cases (now 1.7 million) since 21 hours ago — Kuwait: +12 cases (now 412653), +15337 tests (now 4.8 million) since 22 hours ago20:34
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): A single-dose skin patch protein subunit Covid vaccine more effective than shots, including vs variants, in an experimental modelscience.org/doi/10.1126/sc…@ScienceAdvances So much potential for even better vaccines, including nasal/oral for mucosal immunity and pan-sarbecovirus → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/145451645405785702420:36
de-facto.title https://epiforecasts.io/covid/posts/global/20:38
Brainstormde-facto: From epiforecasts.io: Covid-19: Global summary20:38
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): While the US reported giving a record >1 million boosters today @CDCgov, it continues to fall in % population vaccinated, the primary goal. Now 54th on the listig.ft.com/coronavirus-va… pic.twitter.com/Glop0indSp → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/145452193193220915220:57
BrainstormUpdates for Mali: +60 cases (now 16038), +1360 tests (now 453558) since a day ago20:59
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (@VirusesImmunity): Very interesting. Vaccines can induce immune responses to clear persistent viral infection. Relevance to #longCOVID? In this WAS patient;1) mRNA vax (but not infection) induced antibody to the Spike2) mRNA vax ⬆️ IFN-g secreting T cells3) [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/145452359203783885621:07
de-facto.title https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10875-021-01158-521:19
Brainstormde-facto: From link.springer.com: Persistent COVID-19 Infection in Wiskott-Aldrich Syndrome Cleared Following Therapeutic Vaccination: a Case Report | SpringerLink21:19
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: NPDR -- The National Pediatric Disease Reservior (@COVIDforKids): This Thanksgiving consider serving your family quality deer meat from SARS FarmsWe are happy to make any cut you like or join us for some family fun and let the kids "bag a buck!" pic.twitter.com/VhP3et36RQ → https://twitter.com/COVIDforKids/status/145452752193284096721:28
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘Dishonest competition’: Putin lashes out at G20 over vaccines → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qj9b7k/dishonest_competition_putin_lashes_out_at_g20/22:20
de-factohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMBirotWEDs22:28
de-facto.title22:28
Brainstormde-facto: From www.youtube.com: Chinese mainland reports 23 locally transmitted Covid-19 cases - YouTube22:28
galacticbeatunless mystery variant comes out of nowhere this pandemic is effectively dead in the water.22:32
de-factowhat do you mean by dead in the water?22:34
galacticbeatit's been through so many people it'll be levered down by next spring. delta is likely as dangerous as it's going to get and has killed the widest majority of people it's going to kill.22:35
specingin my country it is estimated that 1/8 of population is still susceptible22:37
galacticbeatI mean "Chinese mainland reports 23" should clue anyone in that it's very well burned through most people.22:37
de-factowell there are regions with a lot of seroprevalence (90%+ with antibodies) and it still is infecting people22:37
de-factooh China got a super strict zero covid strategy22:38
de-factothey lockdown and test whole cities to contain it22:38
galacticbeatyeah and they have over a billion people and reporting 23 infections.22:38
de-factoits not due to immunity that its only 23 cases its due to introduction there again22:38
galacticbeateveryone's had it22:38
de-factonope22:38
de-factochina got the fewest infections per capita22:39
galacticbeatpft22:39
de-facto%china22:39
galacticbeataccording to china22:39
de-facto%cases china22:39
Brainstormde-facto: China has had 109510 confirmed cases (0.0% of all people) and 4849 deaths (4.4% of cases) as of 8 hours ago. 160.0 million tests were done (0.1% positive). +73 cases since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China22:39
Brainstormde-facto: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about China, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it.22:39
galacticbeatstop believing anything the chinese government says and you'll be better off.22:39
de-factodont you think that if it burned though chinese population that their hospitals would be full too hence such reports would have leaked out of china?22:40
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: G20 leaders endorse tax deal, pledge more vaccines for the poor → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qj9swi/g20_leaders_endorse_tax_deal_pledge_more_vaccines/22:41
de-factoand if Delta may be as dangerous as it gets? we dont really know yet, at why would we assume that?22:41
galacticbeatthe government keeps that news on lockdown. remember when covid started they welded people inside their apartment complexes to die.22:41
de-factono they prevented people from breaking the lockdown22:42
galacticbeatthey literally welded doors shut22:42
de-factothere were videos of that in the net immediately22:42
de-factoyes i know22:42
galacticbeat"why would we assume that?"  we would have seen it already.22:42
galacticbeatbillions of infections.22:42
de-factowell have we not thought the same when Alpha was having its prime time?22:43
ArsaneritAs I understand it they welded doors shut while keeping one door that could only be opened with a "green check" on a smartphone app22:43
de-factothen came Delta first in India22:43
galacticbeatalpha transitioned through a couple variants to delta quickly in the grand scheme of things.22:43
de-factoi remember we discussed if it was more contagious or not and we did not really know back then until it came to western countries and competed with Alpha so we had a direct comparison under similar conditions at the same time22:44
ArsaneritI'm surprised delta is still dominant and hasn't been displaced by another variant yet.22:44
de-factoby then we could tell how much more infectious delta was22:44
galacticbeatpandemics aren't never ending affairs. they burn hot and life resumes.22:44
galacticbeat<Arsanerit> I'm surprised delta is still dominant  <---and this is why it's as bad as it'll get.22:44
de-factowell this one burns hot for two years now22:44
Arsaneritgalacticbeat: we don't know that22:45
Arsaneritbut let's hope so22:45
galacticbeattheres 8 billion people on the planet. takes a lot time for even a virus to infect that many people.22:45
Arsaneritcan be done in weeks22:45
Arsaneritexponential growth goes fast22:46
galacticbeatnot in lockdown it doesn't22:46
galacticbeatheh22:46
Arsaneritno, in a strict lockdown it doesn't22:46
Arsaneritunless it's a computer virus, then it goes in minutes ;-)22:46
de-factoi mean i am not saying that it will get worse than Delta, maybe it wont, but honestly i dont see why yet22:46
Arsaneritif it starts at 1 and doubles daily, it takes approximately one month to infect 8 billion22:47
de-factoit could be that Delta saturated fitness and that evasive mutants also spreading in vaccinated may come at the price for some of that fitness22:47
de-factobut it also could be that it still got some optimization potential if it just finds the associated mutation22:47
galacticbeatI think a lot of you enjoy doom and gloom too much.22:48
Arsanerita variant that is deadlier more quickly would get less chance to spread22:48
de-factoits not only the s-protein, its also mutations in the other proteins that play a role in the replication cycle once it entered the cell22:48
Arsaneritgalacticbeat: there might be a bias for people choosing to reside in this channel22:48
de-factosuch as suppressing anti-viral defense mechanisms of the cell etc22:48
galacticbeatanything that burns too hot and kills too many people too easily will indeed burn itself out like Arsanerit said. It's why we don't have ebola pandemics.22:49
de-factothe sub-variant of Delta that currently spreads in UK may doing so because of potential 10%-20% more infectiousness per generation22:50
de-factothat is AY.4.222:50
Arsaneritgalacticbeat: and that's why the sci-fi type of virus killing everyone is unlikely22:51
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): And estimated excess deaths in function of vaccination coverage in Europe (data @OurWorldInData & The Economist, github.com/TheEconomist/c… economist.com/graphic-detail…). Message is clear: get your shot! pic.twitter.com/KuLjZzU3mg → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/145455037726995661022:51
de-factoalso Russia got a really bad increase, so do they sequence enough that we would know what sub-variant of Delta is prevalent there?22:51
ArsaneritI don't know if something could be engineered that is completely dormant for a month, and then suddenly becomes VERY bad22:51
de-factocase numbers will rise in the winter in northern hemisphere, hence also bruteforcing the most prevalent immunity the antibodies raised against Wuhan-Hu-1 (thats the strain that current vaccine are based upon)22:55
de-factowith every booster shot the immunity not only raises but also gets more broad because to the immune system a vaccination looks like a breakthrough infection hence it will try to answer with a wider variety of antibodies to increase the probability for introducing some antibody generations with highly increased affinity to the intruder22:57
Arsaneritwhen will we get specific vaccines for delta ?23:00
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): @EricTopol Below also represented as scatterplots, both using confirmed Covid deaths as well as using the excess deaths per day as estimated by The Economist (size of the points proportional to population size). twitter.com/TWenseleers/st… → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/145455196437792768823:02
de-factogood question23:03
galacticbeatmoderna was supposed to have a shot with delta and two other variants soon. I'm personally not taking any more moderna as my chest hurt like mad the week after my second shot. I honestly thought I was having horrible asthma, but then the news came out about ~carditis with moderna so ...23:03
galacticbeatsupposedly not that many cases as a percentage, but I wonder how many people didn't report it like me.23:04
de-factodid they aspirate the syringe prior to proceeding with the injection?23:10
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): Hieronder ook voorgesteld als scatterplots (bevestigde covid doden per miljoen per dag vs vaccinatiegraad & geschatte oversterfte vs vaccinatiegraad). twitter.com/TWenseleers/st… → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/145455581679997337823:12
de-factobtw current delta is not that immuno evasive, its just a lot more fit23:12
galacticbeatI'd heard that as an explanation but it's untrue. it's not due to the vaccine going into a vein, data shows moderna is like 12 or 13x (I forget which) more likely to cause ~carditis.23:13
pure{blood}conjuVirus is one thing, vaccines is the other thing. Virus is a part of depopulation, vaccines is the part of control. We've been talking for weeks about it but no one mentioned the difference yet. If you look at Rwanda, when americans went there to bring "modernization" and health. Started vaccinating them and built millions of "cellphone" looking towers - civil war, "mental zombie" syndrome. Imagine now our super hyper 5g network and23:14
de-factomoderna contains about 3 times as much mRNA compared to biontech23:14
pure{blood}conjuit's range of magnetic field possibilities built an every mile every where combined with graphene vaccine turning us into like antenna receiver kind of thing... Look at Rwanda again. Many countries in the world have been treated as an experimental field. North Korea, Palestine, Rwanda, Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Taiwan, Australia, USA, New Zealand... too see people's reactions on different way of treating them. Those countries23:14
pure{blood}conjufinancially belong to one group of people. And  there whole story begins decades ago when this group of people started investing their printed out of nowhere money anywhere they could...23:14
galacticbeatignored23:15
de-factoi had moderna too, did not had any problems after 2nd dose23:16
de-factohihihi and electromagnetic radiation does not have anything to do with that23:17
pure{blood}conjude-facto: Not yet 👍23:18
de-factoits physically not possible23:19
de-facto.title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01527-y23:19
Brainstormde-facto: From www.nature.com: Safety and immunogenicity of SARS-CoV-2 variant mRNA vaccine boosters in healthy adults: an interim analysis | Nature Medicine23:19
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): #DeathSantis tosses a bucket of water on fire-ravaged FL COVID caseload after virus' total destruction. Whatta loser.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/editor… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/145455684014712012823:22
de-facto"Fig. 4: Neutralization of wild-type D614G and variants by participant serum collected 1 month after primary vaccination series and before and after boosters, as measured by the VSV-based PsVN assay."23:23
de-factothats quite interesting23:23
de-factohttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01527-y/figures/423:23
de-factoi think multivalent boosters (containing the signatures of many variants of an antigen) are the best23:29
de-factonot sure when they will have finished with the data for their delta specific boosters, but i hope they also contain one with all the variants they made so far23:30
de-factoe.g. Wuhan-Hu-1, Beta, Delta23:30
de-factoi would even think the wider the variety of s-protein signatures in a multivalent mNRA vaccine the broader the induced immune reaction raised against it and the lower the evasion probability by antigenic drift of the pathogen in the wild23:43
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘Is this my life forever?’ The unexpected — and frightening — impact of Long COVID on young Canadians → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qjay7w/is_this_my_life_forever_the_unexpected_and/23:43
de-factowhy dont we just take the s-protein sequence of any VoC and VoI and instantly start a trial with it?23:44
de-factoe.g. why dont they start now with AY.4.2 trials?23:45
de-factothis is way too slow imho23:45

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