| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +2559 cases (now 5.0 million), +41 deaths (now 127721), +45365 tests (now 27.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Norway: +1928 cases (now 225191), +2 deaths (now 950), +37327 tests (now 8.3 million) since 22 hours ago — India: +423 cases (now 34.4 million), +203 deaths (now 462893) since 18 hours ago | 00:04 |
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| LjL-Matrix | Looks like the Matrix bridge is acting up a bit? | 00:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: is Berliner Zeitung a reputable newspaper? | 00:05 |
| de-facto | seems it got its root in eastern part of Berlin, survived under the SED and DDR and now owned by DuMont, with 200k published around 2000 and now went down to 100k | 00:18 |
| de-facto | i havent read it since i am not from Berlin, interesting statements about Wagenknecht from Die Linke (a party with roots going back to SED) | 00:21 |
| de-facto | Wagenknecht was heavily criticized by experts because she was spreading doubts about vaccinations | 00:23 |
| de-facto | LjL-Matrix, why are you asking? | 00:23 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: because of https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/raetselhafte-herzerkrankungen-im-fussball-li.193554 which was reported on by some random very local paper in Italy which ended up on r/Coronavirus_Italia which Brainstorm posted | 00:24 |
| LjL-Matrix | It doesn't seem to explicitly mention vaccines, which the Italian counterpart does | 00:26 |
| de-facto | i wonder if it could have something to do with https://corona-datenspende.de/science/en/reports/prolongedchanges/ <-- shows elevated resting pulse rates for COVID positive for quite some time | 00:26 |
| de-facto | i dont know, are they stupid enough to directly continue training after either vaccination or infection? | 00:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bulgaria: +3146 cases (now 653209), +175 deaths (now 26125), +74180 tests (now 6.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Gibraltar: +57 cases (now 6385), +1025 tests (now 397065) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +16230 cases (now 2.3 million) since 20 hours ago | 00:29 |
| de-facto | that looks like supporting Wagenknecht because she was in TV talking about a soccer players worries from long term effects of vaccinations | 00:30 |
| LjL-Matrix | Would have to know if those people listed had COVID | 00:31 |
| LjL-Matrix | which is probably not public information in many cases | 00:31 |
| de-facto | a list of separate anecdotal events without actual comparison of expectation values looks like they want to hint something | 00:31 |
| de-facto | yeah that list would let that open (on purpose) i guess to induce doubt without taking blame for false claims | 00:32 |
| lastshell | de-facto r u in germany? | 00:33 |
| de-facto | quite clever | 00:33 |
| de-facto | yes in the south west of it | 00:33 |
| lastshell | i been seen a lot of news about germany and also reading some stuff here | 00:33 |
| de-facto | what do they write currently? | 00:34 |
| lastshell | i dont like how things are looking | 00:34 |
| de-facto | yeah neither do i | 00:34 |
| lastshell | https://www.voanews.com/amp/germany-reports-record-daily-high-of-50-000-new-covid-infections/6310392.html | 00:34 |
| de-facto | yes all time high despite tests are not free anymore | 00:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | <de-facto> "i dont know, are they stupid..." <- if nobody tells them to stop after vaccination... | 00:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | I don't think you can blame people for not being told important things like these | 00:36 |
| LjL-Matrix | I wasn't told to avoid exercise or strenuous physical activity by anyone, except you | 00:36 |
| de-facto | lastshell, yes thats absolutely accurate what they write there | 00:36 |
| LjL-Matrix | If I had died as a result, would it be my fault? Am I supposed to be my own doctor? | 00:36 |
| LjL-Matrix | Doctors tell me "don't go read things on the internet" but then if I don't... | 00:36 |
| de-facto | i always make up my own mind of things, i dont trust anyone | 00:37 |
| lastshell | is bad exercise after vaccine? | 00:38 |
| de-facto | if we know about cases of myocarditis in young men, why would we send them to train directly in the timeframe where we have stats about elevated risk for such myocarditis and pericarditis to occur? | 00:39 |
| lastshell | i dont recall the source but most cases lf thd myocarditis are after the 2nd shot | 00:40 |
| de-facto | yes thats correct | 00:40 |
| de-facto | CDC leaked some internal presentations | 00:40 |
| de-facto | in the summer | 00:40 |
| de-facto | now its public knowledge with a ton of papers about it | 00:41 |
| de-facto | its a no brainer, but even some MDs seem to not get it yet | 00:43 |
| de-facto | when i received my shot in July i asked the MD for how long i should not exercise and he replied "no need to rest, if you feel like it you can exercise" | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Prof Francois Balloux (@BallouxFrancois): Current Covid-19 vaccines:- reduce morbidity:😊- reduce mortality: 🙂- reduce transmission:🤨- may require 3/4 doses: 🧐- are produced by ethical companies: ☹️ → https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1459303548550799363 | 00:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | Well the MD will only say the things they're told to say, if the top ranks don't tell them anything, they'll just reassure you | 00:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | and this is not right, you said they told them not to exercise in the military | 00:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | why don't they tell everyone else too? | 00:45 |
| de-facto | well I consider what MDs tell me, but i dont trust their competence tbh, if they reason properly i may follow their advise, but i would never trust them blindly | 00:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | it seems like they're trying hard to get people skeptical | 00:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | Nice people giving orders https://twitter.com/DocCapital/status/1459303816495521793#m | 00:47 |
| de-facto | so i thought: well i do need some movement (to lower thrombosis risk), but i also do not want to do anything with high pulse rate (to not elevate the risk of heart related issues), hence i went for a 2h walk each day after the vaccination dose, but not for a run or exercise | 00:47 |
| LjL-Matrix | I'm not sure if you get my point that, good for you if you can reason like that, but it's not right to yell at people to get vaccinated, not to be anti-vax, but then to withhold potentially life-saving information. They should figure it out for themselves?! | 00:50 |
| de-facto | well thats why i told my experience above | 00:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Covid-19 vaccines work very wel. Antibodies always wane, increasing chances of infection. You may not have noticed with other vaccines? Well, with low circulation breakthroughs are rare. Why? Herdimmunity! npr.org/sections/healt… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1459307720146919430 | 00:55 |
| de-facto | no holding withholding it, its public knowledge, but they should actively inform people about it (back then it was very new info, but already out there) | 00:56 |
| de-facto | lastshell, at least in todays press conference they announced that they will re-introduce free testing and also re-open vaccination centers in Germany | 01:00 |
| de-facto | they also talk about restricting non-vaccinated people more, but i think that will put them more into opposition and also not break the dynamics of the current 4.5th wave we got here | 01:01 |
| de-facto | i am pretty sure it only can be done by reducing contact rates again, and if people dont to that by themselves they must be forced by a lockdown | 01:02 |
| de-facto | politicians shy away from using that word, but what can they do? if hospitals fill up they have no choice but to act | 01:03 |
| de-facto | it would be better if more people were protected by vaccinations, too many assumed they would not get into trouble with COVID, yet end up occupying hospital capacity as an avoidable unvaccinated severe COVID case | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): SARS-CoV-2 will have broad species tropism and will likely never be eradicated. twitter.com/BNODesk/status… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1459309296496230402 | 01:05 |
| de-facto | its pretty clear: all our immune system will be introduced to SARS-CoV-2, but fortunately we have the choice if we prefer to do it in a controlled way (with a vaccination) or uncontrolled way (COVID), the later having orders of magnitude more risk (including heart inflammations etc) | 01:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nigeria: +129 cases (now 213076), +16 deaths (now 2949), +52144 tests (now 3.4 million) since 21 hours ago | 01:06 |
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| woodhardigan[m] | FYI | 01:08 |
| de-facto | I am a control freak, hence i decided for the vaccination | 01:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | I'm deleting that, I don't like "memey" kinda stuff, and I really don't like gloating on deaths | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): I may have missed it but as far as I know those 3 snow leopards in Nebraska are the first big cats that DIED from COVID. This is ominous. We need to vax all captive zoo cats. → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1459313026784382980 | 01:16 |
| de-facto | aaw | 01:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | You think you wouldn't have gotten the vaccination of you weren't a control freak? O.o | 01:17 |
| LjL-Matrix | It affecting other close-to-man species is one of the thing that worries me the most longer term :( | 01:18 |
| de-facto | yeah those beautiful animals dying of COVID is one thing, but a potential ping-pong event returning after serial passage through the different selection pressure under the feline biology may potentially be dangerous for humans | 01:20 |
| de-facto | pretty much same problem as with those mink farms | 01:20 |
| de-facto | and it means natural reservoirs in animals are more common than we initially thought | 01:21 |
| de-facto | idk can the completely different direction of antigenic drift when jumping back into animals and after that back to humans give rise to variants of SARS-CoV-2 where ADE could manifest? | 01:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Oh c'mon zoos. You don't need a special cat COVID vax for your big felines. Just give 'em human vaxes, scaled by size. → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1459315403662893059 | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +39233 cases (now 9.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Rwanda: +35 cases (now 100082), +10350 tests (now 3.3 million) since a day ago — Malawi: +7 cases (now 61841), +711 tests (now 431868) since a day ago | 01:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Barbados: +284 cases (now 21595), +2 deaths (now 191), +1659 tests (now 410786) since 23 hours ago | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Curacao: +10 cases (now 17197), +858 tests (now 319691) since a day ago | 02:34 |
| asen | According to a controlled study of 22,000 cases of Chinese herbal medicine prevention in the community in our province, the protection rate of Chinese herbal medicine for the overall population was 91.8%, and the protection rate for people aged 16-60 was particularly significant, reaching 95%. | 02:38 |
| asen | this is | 02:38 |
| asen | translate | 02:38 |
| de-facto | what are the substances in that herbal medicine? | 02:57 |
| de-facto | which herbs and other ingredients are put into that? | 02:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Michael Lin, PhD-MD 🧬 (@michaelzlin): My 6yo daughter getting her first shot of the COVID19 vaccine. No noticeable side effects, as bubbly as always. pic.twitter.com/uHHqmI0wd4 → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1459339054462369794 | 03:00 |
| asen | Who knows? Maybe. It's a secret. | 03:01 |
| de-facto | hmm maybe they put Pfizers pill into it then? :D | 03:02 |
| asen | it's impossible | 03:04 |
| de-facto | if their claim intends to play in the same league as other empiric study results it has to be reproducible, hence they need to provide a full list of ingredients and dosing scheme etc | 03:04 |
| de-facto | i mean who knows, maybe their herbs contain some molecules that are active against SARS-CoV-2 or prevent some nasty effects of COVID, but would have to be researched further and potentially could even be improved | 03:08 |
| asen | Different systems have different standards, i think | 03:08 |
| de-facto | the key point is reproducible transparent performance without secrets to verify claims | 03:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Michael Lin, PhD-MD 🧬 (@michaelzlin): To parents concerned about side effects: the vax has muscle cells make one SARSCoV2 protein, and it does it at a set level. A COVID19 infection has the nose, throat, lungs, and GI tract make 29 viral proteins at unregulated levels. It's clear to me [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1459339056567836673 | 03:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guinea-Bissau: +38 cases (now 6301), +469 tests (now 104848) since a day ago — Bermuda: +20 cases (now 5708), +6674 tests (now 618779) since 3 days ago | 03:11 |
| asen | the disease can be cured,it's ok i dont care that is secret or not | 03:14 |
| de-facto | i dont think that is the case, there is no cure for COVID | 03:14 |
| de-facto | we have some substances that help, but not a cure | 03:15 |
| de-facto | ok let me correct that: we dont have a cure yet | 03:15 |
| de-facto | if there ever will be discovered one we do not know yet | 03:16 |
| asen | i am not a doctor,maybe you are right | 03:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Nursing homes can now lift most COVID restrictions on visits: The federal government directed nursing homes to open their doors wide to visitors, easing many remaining pandemic restrictions. → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/11/12/1055454408/nursing-homes-can-now-lift-most-covid-restrictions-on-visits | 03:21 |
| de-facto | if someone would discover a effective cure for COVID it would be a goldmine | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +3452 cases (now 1.8 million), +40 deaths (now 29362) since 10 hours ago — Netherlands: +16240 cases (now 2.3 million) since 23 hours ago | 03:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Today in the USA, over 132,000 new cases, 7-day average back up to ~80,000Over 2,100 deathsTest positivity >5% for the first time in a monthFasten your seat belts pic.twitter.com/OGinZwyRBA → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1459352335935676416 | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +39149 cases (now 9.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 04:32 |
| lastshell | I thing for now the best "cure", have a healthy diet, no process food or sugar, exercise regularly 150 minutes to 300 minutes, sleep at least 8 hrs, be sure to have good levels of vitamin d. | 04:36 |
| lastshell | but yeah that is not cure just boosting your inmune system naturaly | 04:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Latvia bans unvaccinated lawmakers from voting, docks pay → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qss6fr/latvia_bans_unvaccinated_lawmakers_from_voting/ | 04:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Panama: +229 cases (now 474231), +3 deaths (now 7341), +6027 tests (now 4.1 million) since a day ago | 05:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +45352 cases (now 5.0 million) since 20 hours ago — Belgium: +21164 cases (now 1.5 million), +60 deaths (now 26321), +164641 tests (now 22.8 million) since a day ago — Peru: +1148 cases (now 2.2 million), +19 deaths (now 200573), +49014 tests (now 19.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 05:40 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: if results hold up, the Pfizer pill looks like a cure for me. 90% reduction in hospitalizations/deaths is better than many "cures" | 05:48 |
| LjL-Matrix | <de-facto> "pretty much same problem as with..." <- but unlike mink farms, nobody will agree to kill all (big and small) cats | 05:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Europe becomes Covid-19’s epicentre again, some countries look at fresh curbs → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/europe-covid-cases-rise-countries-impose-curbs-7620554/ | 05:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +11427 cases (now 34.4 million), +352 deaths (now 463245) since 6 hours ago | 06:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Dutch govt orders 3-week partial lockdown amid virus surge → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/dutch-govt-orders-3-week-partial-lockdown-amid-virus-surge-7620575/ | 06:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zakarpattia Oblast, Ukraine: +526 cases (now 73195), +11 deaths (now 1854) since 23 hours ago — Negeri Sembilan, Malaysia: +299 cases (now 105209) since 23 hours ago — Magallanes, Chile: +24 cases (now 29458) since 23 hours ago — Lombardy, Italy: +1103 cases (now 903172), +6 deaths (now 34222) since 23 hours ago | 06:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: One in three Americans aged 65 and above has got COVID-19 booster shot: CDC → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/one-in-three-americans-aged-65-and-above-has-got-covid-19-booster-shot-cdc-7620672/ | 06:40 |
| Malvolio | https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/one-third-of-iowa-deer-test-positive-for-sars-cov-2-scientists-see-a-new-stream-of-mutations/ar-AAQDugC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531 | 06:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: Doctors Must be Honest with Parents About Known Risks of COVID-19: Pediatricians know their job is to present accurate and thorough information so parents can make informed decisions. Contrarian doctors who write about COVID-19 should spend less time lecturing pediatricians and more time [... want %more?] → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/informed-consent/ | 07:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Jerusalem schools to pilot anti-COVID air filtration system → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/qsuuue/jerusalem_schools_to_pilot_anticovid_air/ | 07:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US should require Covid-19 vaccine or negative test for domestic air travelers, say lawmakers → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/united-states-domestic-air-travellers-covid-test-7620692/ | 07:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +3530 cases (now 1.8 million), +41 deaths (now 29363) since 15 hours ago | 07:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | exciting times | 08:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US appeals court affirms hold on Biden Covid-19 vaccine mandate → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/us-appeals-court-affirms-hold-on-biden-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-7620813/ | 08:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Czechia: +14237 cases (now 1.9 million), +76 deaths (now 31431), +144529 tests (now 41.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Georgia: +4565 cases (now 780391), +78 deaths (now 10894), +56018 tests (now 10.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Armenia: +1251 cases (now 328081), +39 deaths (now 6976), +10338 tests (now 2.2 million) since 22 hours ago | 08:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | November 13, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/qswicj/daily_discussion_thread_november_13_2021/ | 09:05 |
| hogspeed[m] | https://thegreatwhitebrotherhood.org/welcome/important-message-from-the-gwb/ | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Vaccines won a war, have greatly improved human health, and an overview on how they work.youtu.be/6WGTa3fhVUc → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1459433053340766210 | 09:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: ‘A scandal’: WHO says world’s rate of Covid-19 booster shots outstrips poorer countries’ vaccinations → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/who-covid-19-booster-shots-poorer-countries-vaccination-rate-7620807/ | 09:26 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lithuania: +2411 cases (now 441784), +22 deaths (now 6293), +23895 tests (now 5.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 10:01 |
| EpiDatait[m] | <asen> "According to a controlled..." <- Hi. Can you send link to this study? I found some systematic reviews that show traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) + routine treatments (RT) has good efficacy than RT alone but really wide confidence intervals (CI). For example https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.609213/full | 10:16 |
| EpiDatait[m] | Take, for example, relative risk (RR) of death rate in this review is RR=0.28 but with 95% CI [0.09, 0.84] that lead to an efficacy (relative risk reduction RRR=1-RR) of 0.72 but with 95% CI of [0.91, 0.16] so, even if median efficacy is high (72%) has got a really wide CI (lower CI = 16%). | 10:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Estonia: +993 cases (now 211535), +6 deaths (now 1668), +6709 tests (now 2.2 million) since 20 hours ago — Germany: +44796 cases (now 5.0 million) since 19 hours ago | 10:39 |
| sdfgsdfg | humidifier and the perfect essential oils like eucalyptus etc also help | 11:29 |
| sdfgsdfg | I bet ? | 11:29 |
| sdfgsdfg | I was right after a quick research, apparently an essential oil treatment has antiviral, anti-inflammatory, and immunomodulatory properties | 11:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +14298 cases (now 3.2 million), +266 deaths (now 78821), +68903 tests (now 23.0 million) since a day ago — Austria: +13152 cases (now 948100), +48 deaths (now 11689), +381534 tests (now 103.0 million) since a day ago — Brunei: +51 cases (now 14172), +1 deaths (now 96), +2356 tests (now 555315) since 22 hours ago [... want %more?] | 11:41 |
| sdfgsdfg | vaccines won a war ? bs | 11:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Cuba rejected a donation of one million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine from the U.S. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qsyqai/cuba_rejected_a_donation_of_one_million_doses_of/ | 12:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Slovakia: +7244 cases (now 554296), +39 deaths (now 13485), +26314 tests (now 4.2 million) since a day ago — Uganda: +56 cases (now 126889), +1 deaths (now 3237), +6668 tests (now 1.9 million) since a day ago — Zambia: +8 cases (now 209971), +4456 tests (now 2.7 million) since 20 hours ago | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Latvia: +1422 cases (now 239575), +51 deaths (now 3734), +17183 tests (now 5.2 million) since 23 hours ago — Nepal: +260 cases (now 816675), +2 deaths (now 11471), +5225 tests (now 4.5 million) since a day ago — Qatar: +137 cases (now 240965), +5485 tests (now 2.9 million) since 22 hours ago — France: +3791 cases (now 7.4 million) since 16 hours ago | 12:43 |
| aradesh | hmm | 12:54 |
| aradesh | i have had a look at the coronavirus hot spots in the UK | 12:55 |
| aradesh | and at the moment they seem to be the areas with highest vaccine rates! | 12:55 |
| aradesh | i'm wondering if because, the areas that have least vaccines are areas where people had the hot spots last year | 12:55 |
| aradesh | so perhaps there is more natural immunity in those places? | 12:55 |
| aradesh | and now it's finally doing the rounds in the areas where people were better at following guidelines now restrictions on social interaction are over? | 12:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Senegal: +3 cases (now 73951), +1460 tests (now 855868) since 23 hours ago | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 13NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qszyqh/global_covid_cases_for_13nov21/ | 13:14 |
| EpiDatait[m] | <aradesh> "and at the moment they seem to..." <- Given the latest vaccine efficacy estimates on secondary infections (~75% mean, from 70% up 82% in different age classes) you'd need a percentage of fully vaccinated greater than 90% to see effects on general population. Currently UK is at 70% fully vaccinated and they're not in lockdown so the hot spots are not isolated, we can't say how many secondary infections have been imported from | 13:23 |
| EpiDatait[m] | other locations with lower fully vaccinated pct. | 13:23 |
| aradesh | what's a secondary infection? | 13:31 |
| genera | an infection with a different agent? | 13:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Romania: +4006 cases (now 1.7 million), +323 deaths (now 52836), +45322 tests (now 15.4 million) since 23 hours ago — Indonesia: +359 cases (now 4.3 million), +16 deaths (now 143644), +287978 tests (now 49.9 million) since a day ago | 13:33 |
| EpiDatait[m] | aradesh: In this case I meant "infection caused by an infected contact" | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Covid 19 Delta outbreak: Vaccine mandates cause 'harm and division', public health expert claims | 12NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qt0v1a/covid_19_delta_outbreak_vaccine_mandates_cause/ | 14:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: WHO restarts evaluation of Russia's Sputnik Covid-19 shot | 13NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qt10p4/who_restarts_evaluation_of_russias_sputnik/ | 14:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Yes, animal to human transmission (mink) is established with high confidence. But the mutations accrued in mink, some hold, are attenuating in humans, the basis perhaps for a "vaccine strain"?science.org/doi/10.1126/sc… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1459513219265941506 | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Vietnam: +8497 cases (now 1.0 million), +88 deaths (now 23018), +379710 tests (now 64.1 million) since a day ago — Germany: +45877 cases (now 5.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): SARS-CoV-2 can infect many species, from otters to cervids to cats. For each animal species worldwide that experiences ANY interaction with humans, we need to know how competent they are at its propagation. (Would also like to know which ones get [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1459516571185926149 | 14:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Denmark: +5 deaths (now 2760), +312210 tests (now 88.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Don't forget you have the #Freedumb to turn down those lifesaving vaccines cuz you're merican. pic.twitter.com/i1aPnDyphr → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1459521964582731783 | 15:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virology.ws: TWiV 828: COVID-19 clinical update #88 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #88, Dr. Griffin covers vaccine protection among US veterans, absence of long COVID in vaccinated who are infected, single dose of REGEN-COV monoclonal antibody [... want %more?] → https://www.virology.ws/2021/11/13/twiv-828-covid-19-clinical-update-88-with-dr-daniel-griffin/ | 15:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Chile: +2703 cases (now 1.7 million), +15 deaths (now 37951), +82875 tests (now 24.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Il Sole 24 Ore: Salute: Effetto vaccini tra i ragazzi: calano i casi tra gli over 16, boom tra i piccoli → https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/effetto-vaccini-i-ragazzi-calano-casi-gli-over-16-boom-i-piccoli-AEog3ow | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Borders: France tightens entry requirements for unvaccinated travelers → https://www.politico.eu/article/france-entry-requirements-unvaccinated-travelers-coronavirus/ | 16:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +3953 cases (now 1.8 million), +44 deaths (now 29366) since 23 hours ago | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronavirusUK: Saturday 13 November 2021 Update → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/qt4cs1/saturday_13_november_2021_update/ | 17:25 |
| lastshell | https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056 (SARS–CoV–2 Spike Impairs DNA Damage Repair and Inhibits V(D)J Recombination In Vitro) | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Latvia bans unvaccinated lawmakers from voting, docks pay → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qt4eld/latvia_bans_unvaccinated_lawmakers_from_voting/ | 17:35 |
| de-facto | yuck | 17:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Millions of people to be offered Covid booster jabs earlier → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qt4qfj/millions_of_people_to_be_offered_covid_booster/ | 17:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +13871 cases (now 2.3 million), +33 deaths (now 19171) since 17 hours ago — Jordan: +1236 cases (now 889671), +18 deaths (now 11215), +25954 tests (now 11.4 million) since 22 hours ago | 17:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +8539 cases (now 4.9 million), +53 deaths (now 132739), +540371 tests (now 110.4 million) since 21 hours ago | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): Most rightly consider themselves "average" in terms of susceptibility and healthActually, they err optimisticallyThe fact is Covid is coming to bite the average person in the rear-endWhy? How?1)Reinfections aren't milder [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1459565319798861830 | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): 5. Despite the compelling data and the current predicament, there is unwarranted and serious division at the top @CDCgov and among some experts who have been in denial of the vaccine effectiveness waning issue for months, resulting in mixed messages to the public and [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1459570351885602819 | 18:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Dominican Rep.: +1225 cases (now 394608), +1 deaths (now 4166), +10572 tests (now 2.3 million) since 21 hours ago | 18:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canada donates nearly 2 million COVID-19 vaccine doses to Uganda → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qt68gj/canada_donates_nearly_2_million_covid19_vaccine/ | 19:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greece: +6132 cases (now 828032), +70 deaths (now 16686), +409594 tests (now 30.1 million) since a day ago | 19:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: i bless the rains down in castamere (@Chinchillazllla): the word "vaccine" comes from the Latin word "vacca" meaning cow, because the first smallpox vaccine was made using pus from cows with cowpox. nobody can look you in the eye and pretend they would rather have that than an mRNA vaccine. → https://twitter.com/Chinchillazllla/status/1459583326541557765 | 19:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +37996 cases (now 9.6 million), +157 deaths (now 143273) since 23 hours ago — Maldives: +184 cases (now 89713), +46533 tests (now 1.7 million) since 21 hours ago — Canada: +3949 cases (now 1.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Austria set to place millions of unvaccinated people in lockdown, as chancellor slams 'shameful' shot uptake → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qt726u/austria_set_to_place_millions_of_unvaccinated/ | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Belgium 74% vaxxed hasn't stopped huge delta attack. Reminder, the vaccine coverage you need in a population is directly related to the RECIPROCAL of the virus' reproductive number R. So if delta has R of 8, you don't approach herd immunity without [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1459601963306217474 | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +14646 cases (now 7.4 million), +16 deaths (now 119085) since 8 hours ago | 21:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): So there you have it. Boosting could prevent winter surge but not if we all pretend the pandemic is over. twitter.com/DiseaseEcology… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1459620331811848194 | 21:45 |
| random-jellyfish | can a vein inside the deltoid muscle be thicker than a syringe needle used for anti-covid19 vaccination? | 21:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): "Our data highlight RTC-specific T-cells as targets for vaccines against endemic and emerging Coronaviridae." → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1459625002345676807 | 21:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kuwait: +22 cases (now 412982), +14665 tests (now 5.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 22:03 |
| LjL-Matrix | random-jellyfish: I'm not sure but ask for aspiration when getting the shot if you're concerned | 22:04 |
| random-jellyfish | LjL-Matrix I did but the doctor said they need special syringes for that which they don't have | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Forgive my ignorance about animal COVID vaxes from yesterday. Apparently Zoetis has been fronting a subunit vax for some time.news.zoetis.com/press-releases… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1459626785167974401 | 22:06 |
| random-jellyfish | and that he doesn't recommend it | 22:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | Uh | 22:06 |
| random-jellyfish | because it wouldn't make a difference | 22:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | Well it's not recommended but I never got a valid rationale for it | 22:06 |
| * LjL-Matrix pings de-facto | 22:06 | |
| random-jellyfish | me neither | 22:07 |
| random-jellyfish | I think more research should be invested into aspiration | 22:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | random-jellyfish: fwiw, someone I know on irc who got a booster said he bled during the injection and afterwards he was found to have some cardiac inflammation | 22:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | Of course I cannot vouch for that story being true | 22:07 |
| random-jellyfish | do you the gender and age of that person? | 22:07 |
| random-jellyfish | do you know** | 22:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | Male, not sure age | 22:08 |
| random-jellyfish | apparently there is no research on aspiration so we don't know how often it happens that the needle hits a blood vessel | 22:08 |
| random-jellyfish | we should at least have clear idea on the probability of that happening | 22:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | I took the shot without asking for aspiration because I don't think I'm THAT unlucky and also I'm too shy to ask people things | 22:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | I survived unscathed, twice | 22:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | We'll see about next time | 22:09 |
| random-jellyfish | in animal models, intravenous injection of mRNA vaccines did cause heart inflamation | 22:09 |
| ecks_ | if you have any idea what you're doing the risk of hitting a vein in a deltoid injection is super small | 22:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | I mean yes there was some tentative evidence, the aspiration thing is not based on *nothing* | 22:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | I don't know, there are some things I just don't get about health authorities tbh | 22:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | ecks_: well, take 8 billion people and vaccinate them ALL, the chances that some people will have it administered by someone incompetent approach 100% | 22:11 |
| ecks_ | if we can't trust people to aim a needle correct i'm not sure we can trust them to aspirate correctly either | 22:11 |
| LjL-Matrix | I guess | 22:12 |
| LjL-Matrix | I wonder if the incidence of *carditis after injection is lower in countries where only doctors, and not nurses or trained volunteers (see: UK) are allowed to administer them | 22:15 |
| ecks_ | i'd be surprised considering doctors don't do im injections very often | 22:16 |
| de-facto | honestly i would tell them that i only agree with the injection if they aspirate correctly | 22:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | ecks_: meaning nurses do them more often? | 22:17 |
| ecks_ | for sure | 22:17 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: well if they say they need a special syringe they don't have... I'm not sure if that's true or not but, if they say so, I presume they'd say "go then" | 22:17 |
| LjL-Matrix | ecks_: well uh, in my country you need a doctor to do that, so presumably doctors do it more often than in countries where nurses do it? :p | 22:18 |
| ecks_ | really? that's weird | 22:18 |
| de-facto | its such a small thing to ask for, it literally takes them 10 additional seconds, if they are unwilling to do that i would ask for another MD or nurse | 22:20 |
| random-jellyfish | in poorer countries they would probably be reluctant to throwing doses away if blood comes out | 22:21 |
| random-jellyfish | just an assumption | 22:21 |
| de-facto | why throw them away, pull out and do it again | 22:21 |
| random-jellyfish | with the same syringe that has blood inside of it? | 22:21 |
| de-facto | and if it is that rare as they state, it would not matter anyhow | 22:22 |
| random-jellyfish | won't the blood cells "absorb" some of the mRNA? | 22:22 |
| random-jellyfish | again just guessing | 22:22 |
| de-facto | i dont think that happens so quickly | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Josiah Grindrod (@JT_Grindrod): @hjelle_brian @FuGtfo My policy for the pandemic is anticipate worst case scenario and you'll never be disappointed pic.twitter.com/sX5Owr0ntT → https://twitter.com/JT_Grindrod/status/1459632879281995780 | 22:26 |
| de-facto | i asked for aspiration in a friendly way and it was not a problem, they agreed to do it for both primer and booster in a vaccination center in Germany | 22:29 |
| de-facto | both times it was MDs, first was a Lady in her best age, second was a young guy that came freshly from university i guess | 22:30 |
| de-facto | was not a problem to get them to do aspirate, hence i did not had any reason to escalate it | 22:31 |
| random-jellyfish | de-facto just out of curiosity -did any blood come out? | 22:32 |
| de-facto | none | 22:33 |
| random-jellyfish | and was it more painful than without aspiration? | 22:33 |
| de-facto | none that i could see from my position | 22:33 |
| de-facto | i did expect it to be painful, because RKI is against aspiration for a "stressfree vaccination" because they say it hurts | 22:34 |
| de-facto | they told me to let the arm hang and completely relax the muscle | 22:34 |
| de-facto | so i did do that, completely relaxed the muscle | 22:34 |
| de-facto | and to my surprise it really did not hurt at all | 22:35 |
| de-facto | not even a bit, i guess the needle is so small that if the muscle fibers are not flexed or moving during the injection its therefore barely noticeable | 22:36 |
| random-jellyfish | interesting | 22:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): If you jump off a tall building, you will lose your fear of heightsIf you dive into frigid N Atlantic, you cannot again drownIf you get COVID, you have immunity → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/1459634946343985153 | 22:37 |
| random-jellyfish | I guess the "painful shot" argument against aspiration doesn't stand | 22:37 |
| LjL-Matrix | Hjelle being "funny" | 22:38 |
| de-facto | random-jellyfish, not from my experience, not at all acutally | 22:38 |
| de-facto | also i would recommend to only do moderate mobility (e.g. going for long walks to lower thrombosis risk) but without high pulse rates for the 2 weeks after the injection | 22:39 |
| de-facto | also do not press the arm (e.g. do not lay on it) in order that the injection stays exactly where it was deposed initially | 22:40 |
| random-jellyfish | oops didn't respect that last advice | 22:40 |
| de-facto | i am not a MD but that would be my two cents | 22:41 |
| random-jellyfish | got my 3rd Moderna shot yesterday | 22:41 |
| random-jellyfish | and last night I slept on all sides like a champ | 22:41 |
| de-facto | nice is it the 50µg dose? | 22:41 |
| random-jellyfish | yes | 22:41 |
| random-jellyfish | having a small fever right now | 22:41 |
| random-jellyfish | but it's bearable, I feel good | 22:42 |
| de-facto | how would you compare it to your reaction to the first two 100µg doses? | 22:42 |
| random-jellyfish | lighter | 22:42 |
| de-facto | interesting, after 6 months? | 22:42 |
| random-jellyfish | yes, 6 months plus a few days | 22:42 |
| de-facto | very nice, have to admit i envy you a bit for already getting that booster | 22:43 |
| random-jellyfish | after the 2nd shot I had some strong symptoms for 2 days | 22:43 |
| random-jellyfish | fever, chills, nausea, head aches | 22:43 |
| de-facto | i also got Moderna in the summer, got my 2nd on 13th of July, so no booster for the winter for me | 22:43 |
| de-facto | i only had a sore arm and a bit fatigue | 22:43 |
| de-facto | headache a few weeks later, but that was it | 22:44 |
| random-jellyfish | in Germany you have to wait for the 3rd shot if you're not in the vulnerable categories right? | 22:44 |
| de-facto | yeah officially its recommended by STIKO for over 70 year olds, some experts say it should be given for over 60 year olds and our health minister wants to make it available to everyone after 6 months | 22:45 |
| de-facto | risk groups or extra vulnerable as well as non-responders can be given outside that recommendation if the MD agrees to reason for an offlabel use | 22:46 |
| random-jellyfish | in Romania where I live they give it to whoever wants it, the supply of vaccines far exceeds the demand | 22:46 |
| de-facto | i think Johnson and Johnson urgently need to get an mRNA booster prior to 6 months | 22:46 |
| de-facto | maybe also AZ should get a booster sooner than 6 months | 22:47 |
| de-facto | yeah Romania really needs to increase vaccination rates | 22:47 |
| de-facto | how is the hospital situation there right now? | 22:47 |
| random-jellyfish | it's getting a bit better but I don't expect it to last too long...they reopened a lot of schools | 22:48 |
| random-jellyfish | it's shocking to how stupid most people in my country are | 22:48 |
| random-jellyfish | I mean I know it was bad, but not this bad | 22:49 |
| random-jellyfish | knew** | 22:49 |
| de-facto | here we got a HUGE increase in infections, not quite sure why, but it definitely has to do with how people do not behave in a sane way | 22:49 |
| de-facto | hospitals are not full yet (they surely would be if vaccination rate was lower) but numbers double each 2 weeks | 22:50 |
| random-jellyfish | the relatives of an intubated 27 year old refused to allow his transfer to Germany because they thought they would "do experiments on him" | 22:50 |
| de-facto | oh my, wow. | 22:50 |
| random-jellyfish | it's like a zombie movie here | 22:50 |
| de-facto | i know the medical personnel does a very good job here, but many also are put under so much load that some may quit | 22:51 |
| de-facto | actually we have less beds than in the first waves right now | 22:51 |
| random-jellyfish | why is that? | 22:52 |
| de-facto | because of not enough personnel to use all the equipment (beds are there, but not useable) | 22:52 |
| random-jellyfish | oh, that's not good | 22:53 |
| random-jellyfish | because of resignations? | 22:54 |
| de-facto | no its a problem, because additional personnel can not be quickly "produced" as some other medical resources (e.g. respirators etc) | 22:54 |
| de-facto | i am not entirely sure, but some did quit, maybe others did go into a different job under same employer? | 22:54 |
| random-jellyfish | with 67% vaccination rate I think it will be kept under control | 22:56 |
| de-facto | hopefully, there are 3.5M over 60 year olds that are not vaccinated | 22:56 |
| random-jellyfish | yeah not a pretty figure | 22:57 |
| de-facto | i am curious, what is the reason that so many Romanians have doubts about the vaccination? | 22:57 |
| de-facto | is it because of lack of trust in the government? | 22:57 |
| random-jellyfish | lol, I think there will be many books and documentaries made about that | 22:58 |
| random-jellyfish | it's just surreal | 22:58 |
| random-jellyfish | myths over myths about anything you can imagine... | 22:58 |
| random-jellyfish | from microchips to vaccines that kill people | 22:59 |
| de-facto | oh i see, in understand what you mean about the myths | 22:59 |
| de-facto | people need understandable access to high quality information, not everyone finds the motivation to read the original papers | 22:59 |
| random-jellyfish | right now people believe that doctors are killing people with oxygen in the ICU by "burning their lungs" | 23:00 |
| de-facto | oh wow | 23:00 |
| random-jellyfish | in a way I'm glad Romania it's in the EU because it helps me as an individual...but I feel sorry for the rest of the EU for having to deal with this mess | 23:00 |
| de-facto | well if not enough oxygen is available we did wee in India what happens then | 23:00 |
| de-facto | idk, i feel sorry for the people that believe such things, we got them here in Germany too | 23:01 |
| random-jellyfish | another myths is that the government blocked the imports of antiviral medications and that people die due to lack of treatment | 23:01 |
| de-facto | but we also got some really good information podcasts from virologists (Christian Drosten and Alexander Kekule) | 23:02 |
| random-jellyfish | anything is more believable than the elephant in the room: 35% population vaccinated | 23:02 |
| LjL-Matrix | You're not the only ones | 23:03 |
| LjL-Matrix | Most of eastern Europe is poorly vaccinated | 23:03 |
| random-jellyfish | we have good virologists too but they are public enemies no. 1, paid by Big Pharma to sell vaccines etc. | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mali: +38 cases (now 16643), +1 deaths (now 585), +1328 tests (now 469328) since 23 hours ago — Bahrain: +17 cases (now 277201), +15657 tests (now 7.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 23:05 |
| de-facto | they give an insight into the currently circulating papers and newest developments in their fields, normal people can not follow the flood of new developments as things are changing really fast | 23:05 |
| de-facto | hence its quite important to have a competent but understandable trusty source that makes this info available to the public | 23:06 |
| random-jellyfish | indeed, it's admirable that they do that | 23:06 |
| de-facto | i am not sure bit i think they got like 1M listeners | 23:06 |
| de-facto | Drosten does not really like to do it (as it takes time the can not use for research), but he said its his duty to help out | 23:07 |
| random-jellyfish | oh yeah, it's crucial that they do this | 23:07 |
| de-facto | so he reduced it, but still does it from time to time | 23:08 |
| random-jellyfish | misinformation literally kills people in these dreadful times | 23:08 |
| de-facto | Kekule just had some summer holidays but continues with his weekly schedule | 23:08 |
| random-jellyfish | and effort to combat it, no matter how small is priceless | 23:08 |
| de-facto | yes very true | 23:08 |
| de-facto | this actually is THE point | 23:08 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/podcast4684.html | 23:11 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.ndr.de: Das Coronavirus-Update von NDR Info | NDR.de - Nachrichten - NDR Info | 23:11 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/Coronavirus-Update-Die-Podcast-Folgen-als-Skript,podcastcoronavirus102.html | 23:11 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.ndr.de: Coronavirus-Update - Die Podcast-Folgen als Skript | NDR.de - Nachrichten - NDR Info | 23:11 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/podcast/kekule-corona/index.html | 23:11 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.mdr.de: Podcast: Kekulés Corona-Kompass | MDR.DE | 23:11 |
| de-facto | .title https://infektiopod.de/ | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From infektiopod.de: Infektiopod – Ein Podcast über Infektionskrankheiten | info@infektiopod.de | 23:12 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/ | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.microbe.tv: This Week in Virology | 23:12 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX3MhWWi6n4&list=PLGhmZX2NKiNm0vqVhoYB_xZP6E6tGT6rU | 23:13 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: Virology Lectures 2021 #1: What is a Virus? - YouTube | 23:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): SARS-CoV-2 infection map Europe pic.twitter.com/Z0BuZcaWw3 → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1459645565730529284 | 23:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +12165 cases (now 34.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 23:30 |
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