libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2021-11-19

de-factowell or people realized they are vulnerable without vaccine protection and distance to protect themselves form pathogen contamination (and thereby also protecting the community from spread)00:02
de-factohaving some (waning) level of protection from vaccination maybe makes people careless hence ignoring the possibility to contribute to pathogen spread as (a)symptomatic carrier00:06
de-factothis is a big problem especially in partly vaccinated populations such as in Germany, because it means an explosion of infections with too many completely unprotected hence them ending up in hospital when contaminated with the highly infectious and aggressive Delta variant00:08
de-facto.title https://twitter.com/aloa5/status/146107358037293465900:21
Brainstormde-facto: From twitter.com: Otmar S (@aloa5): "Die Krankenhaus-Neueinweisungen dürften inzwischen - bereinigt inkl. Nachmaldungen - die 7000er-Grenze/Woche, also 1000/Tag überschritten haben. An die Bilder mit Verlegungen wie heute aus Bayern werden wir uns wohl demnächst gewöhnt haben." | nitter00:21
LjL%tell arsanerit Just about every time I've seen cases rise swiftly, they also went down just as swiftly. It can't just be "everybody got it" because it then happens again. I think it's either a combination of factors interacting in a complex way, or something we're not considering.00:47
BrainstormLjL, I'll pass Arsanerit your message when they are around.00:47
de-factoit may even be psychology, people with some sanity realizing they have to reduce contact rates and thereby breaking the dynamic increase of the wave00:49
LjLde-facto, we'd have to assign a country to the experiment where people are not told there's a spike :P01:04
LjL(not serious)01:04
de-factowell yes actually this probably is exactly the point, people DO react to what they read in the news etc01:05
de-factoi think it was the reports and pictures/videos out of Lombardy that broke our very first wave in Germany01:06
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): SARS-CoV-2 infection among the top 10 causes of death in US children. No children have died from vaccination. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/146148895580380364901:23
BrainstormUpdates for Slovakia: +455172 cases (now 1.0 million) since 14 hours ago — India: +7000 cases (now 34.5 million), +92 deaths (now 464715) since 19 hours ago — United Kingdom: +48046 cases (now 9.8 million) since 20 hours ago01:29
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The list of organs that Covid can target keeps getting longer. Now the adrenal glands.thelancet.com/journals/landi… @TheLancetEndo Detectable #SARSCoV2 spike protein in adrenal cells of 18 of 40 (45%) patients who died pic.twitter.com/jhJrSgXiUD → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/146149216604418048201:33
de-facto.title https://imgur.com/a/U75eI5Y https://i.imgur.com/azI1EvG.jpeg Sources: Vaccinations: https://impfdashboard.de/ Incidence: https://corona.rki.de/ Hospitalizations: https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/kartenansichten Temp: https://www.dwd.de/EN/ourservices/klimakartendeutschland/klimakartendeutschland.html01:43
Brainstormde-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: Vaccinations, Incidence, Hospitalizations and Temperature on a map - Album on Imgur01:43
de-facto%tell random-jellyfish happy to see that cases in Romania are going down again, yet i am curious, do you know the main reason why case numbers are dropping in Romania right now?02:03
Brainstormde-facto, I'll pass random-jellyfish your message when they are around.02:03
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The adrenals weren't on the list in the early days of the pandemic (left) but later their #SARSCoV2 tropism was identified by systematic assessment (right) pic.twitter.com/Mt6nMwFI4i → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/146149938872380621202:05
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): From Israel's data, we've known about waning efficacy of vaccines since July. And full restoration of ~95% efficacy with boosters shot since SeptemberTomorrow @US_FDA will approve booster shots for all adults (current age criteria is 65+). Saying "it's about time" to [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/146151200443945779402:58
BrainstormUpdates for Bangladesh: +244 cases (now 1.6 million), +5 deaths (now 27939), +19507 tests (now 10.7 million) since a day ago03:09
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Calls for alcohol prices in Scotland to rise ‘to counter Covid drinking spike’ → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qx5meh/calls_for_alcohol_prices_in_scotland_to_rise_to/03:30
BrainstormUpdates for Netherlands: +23618 cases (now 2.4 million) since 22 hours ago03:33
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Another 105,000 new cases in the US today, 7-day avg up 28% for the past week, hospitalizations continuing to rise. The new (5th wave) has begun. pic.twitter.com/jXB6h9ngoJ → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/146153354342356992004:22
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +48053 cases (now 9.8 million) since 23 hours ago04:36
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +58764 cases (now 5.3 million) since 20 hours ago — Belgium: +16699 cases (now 1.6 million), +42 deaths (now 26526) since a day ago05:44
BrainstormUpdates for India: +5864 cases (now 34.5 million), +386 deaths (now 465082), +1232505 tests (now 628.2 million) since 8 hours ago06:09
BrainstormUpdates for Gelderland, Netherlands: +3595 cases (now 272033), +10 deaths (now 2217) since 23 hours ago — Brandenburg, Germany: +3123 cases (now 150443), +4 deaths (now 4016) since 23 hours ago — Thuringen, Germany: +2849 cases (now 182705), +21 deaths (now 4776) since 23 hours ago — Limburg, Netherlands: +2255 cases (now 167146) since 23 hours ago06:34
BrainstormNew from Science-Based Medicine: Contrarian Doctors:  The Pandemic is Over, Again: I can’t help but wonder if one the reasons the pandemic isn’t over yet, is because contrarian doctors repeatedly said it was. The post  first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/69391-2/06:49
BrainstormNew from MedicineNet: (news): Nearly 10% of Younger Kids Have Gotten First COVID Vaccine Dose → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp07:52
BrainstormNew from Politico: Coronavirus: Merkel announces tighter restrictions for unvaccinated Germans as coronavirus cases soar → https://www.politico.eu/article/merkel-covid-restrictions-unvaccinated-germany/08:24
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | November 19, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/qxbfeg/daily_discussion_thread_november_19_2021/09:06
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Ronapreve, casirivimab,imdevimab, COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 12/11/2021, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/ronapreve09:17
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +58174 cases (now 5.3 million) since 19 hours ago09:40
BrainstormNew from Politico: UK government failed to prepare for COVID-19 pandemic, audit finds: British government failed to 'act on warnings' raised during two pre-2020 pandemic simulations, the National Audit Office found. → https://www.politico.eu/article/u-k-government-failed-to-prepare-for-covid-19-pandemic-report-says/10:01
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Covid-19: Robin Swann advises more working from home: Robin Swann says if someone worked from home when the pandemic began they should be working from home now. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-5933997910:11
dTalwow no shit10:14
dTalto either of those10:14
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Austria to be first European country to make the COVID vacccine mandatory for all citizen → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qxcl1v/austria_to_be_first_european_country_to_make_the/10:43
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): Nobody wants to have to increase measures. We're all sick of this pandemic. 😑But 1 lesson this pandemic keeps teaching us is that "wait & hope" just wastes time.We need a clear plan, & to let people know what that plan is - so they know what to expect & [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/146163177624645222410:53
BrainstormNew from Politico: Coronavirus: Austria imposes mandatory COVID vaccination from February → https://www.politico.eu/article/austria-mandatory-coronavirus-vaccination-february/11:04
BrainstormUpdates for Papua New Guinea: +685 cases (now 34022), +48 deaths (now 484), +5143 tests (now 232658) since a day ago11:14
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Austria to reimpose full lockdown and mandatory vaccination → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qxcyjz/austria_to_reimpose_full_lockdown_and_mandatory/11:16
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Austria to go into full lockdown as Covid surges: Days after it imposed a lockdown on the unvaccinated, it announces a full lockdown from Monday. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-5934365011:26
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Austria reimposes full lockdown, plans to make Covid-19 vaccines compulsory → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/austria-reimposes-full-lockdown-covid-19-vaccines-compulsory-7631019/11:37
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +47306 cases (now 9.8 million) since 22 hours ago — France: +20407 cases (now 7.5 million) since 22 hours ago11:39
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Austria imposes mandatory COVID vaccination from February → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qxdnm4/austria_imposes_mandatory_covid_vaccination_from/11:59
joerglockdown and mandatory vaccination is austria.12:03
joergin*12:03
BrainstormUpdates for Nepal: +271 cases (now 818578), +5 deaths (now 11494), +7777 tests (now 4.5 million) since a day ago12:10
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Austria, lockdown da lunedì. Vaccino obbligatorio da febbraio. 2 weeks to flatten the curve. → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA/comments/qxe2se/austria_lockdown_da_lunedì_vaccino_obbligatorio/12:31
BrainstormNew from BioNTech: BioNTech Receives FDA Fast Track Designation for its  FixVac Candidate BNT111 in Advanced Melanoma: MAINZ, GERMANY, November 19, 2021 — BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX, “BioNTech” or “the Company”) today announced that the U.S. [... want %more?] → https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-receives-fda-fast-track-designation-its-fixvac12:42
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): Hello Covid Twitter, a request:Has anyone seen good recent seroprevalence/antibody data for European countries? Preferably from the last 3-4 months, and with age-breakdowns.Regular surveys like this ONS one would be the dream, but I fear unlikely... [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/146166089503000167312:53
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Covid-19 and tinnitus: Everything you need to know → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/post-covid-19-ear-issue-tinnitus-symptoms-treatment-7628952/13:04
BrainstormNew from Politico: Italy’s German-speaking north caught up in latest coronavirus surge: Experts link vaccine hesitancy to a cultural disposition to alternative medicine and links to Austria. → https://www.politico.eu/article/italy-german-speaking-bolzano-south-tyrol-coronavirus-surge/13:15
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): I like Austrian lockdown model, it will save lives.Shame they didn't take over our country when they could easily have done so, during trump years.Anyone could have. → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/146166906476641075413:25
BrainstormNew from Politico: Airlines: Brussels mulls tying vaccine certificates to booster shots → https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-mulls-tying-vaccine-certificates-to-booster-shots/13:36
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19: latest updates → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/covid-19-latest-updates13:46
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): I prolly won't be around by the time we've figured out all the weird shit SARS2 is doing to us, often with long latency. → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/146167875983726592413:57
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: First known Covid case was vendor at Wuhan market, scientist claims → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/coronavirus-origin-china-wuhan-market-covid-7631580/14:07
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Guy Who Writes (@DelusionalWrit): @hjelle_brian I have been reading more and more that SARS2 might be persistent, but I remember early on being told, forcefully, by @angie_rasmussen that it wasn’t latent. Is there a difference here, or could there be a possibility of latency? It’s this [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/DelusionalWrit/status/146168179117400064714:18
BrainstormNew from BioNTech: Pfizer and BioNTech Receive Expanded U.S. FDA Emergency Use Authorization of COVID-19 Vaccine Booster to Include Individuals 18 and Older: Expanded authorization allows more Americans to receive a booster dose to help preserve a [... want %more?] → https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/pfizer-and-biontech-receive-expanded-us-fda-emergency-use14:29
BrainstormUpdates for Switzerland: +6169 cases (now 941216) since 22 hours ago — Germany: +50315 cases (now 5.3 million) since 21 hours ago14:33
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: New, Radically Different Covid Variant Getting Footholds Now as Media and Officials Remain Complacent | 19NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qxg7ua/new_radically_different_covid_variant_getting/14:40
de-facto.title v14:50
Brainstormde-facto, the command line provided is invalid14:50
de-facto.title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04186-814:50
de-facto"Individuals with potential exposure to SARS-CoV-2 do not necessarily develop PCR or antibody positivity, suggesting some may clear sub-clinical infection before seroconversion."14:51
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: us: FDA Authorizes Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna Booster Vaccines for All Adults → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/fda-authorizes-pfizer-biontech-and-moderna-booster-vaccines-for-all-adults14:51
de-facto"T-cells can contribute to the rapid clearance of SARS-CoV-2 and other coronavirus infections. We hypothesised that pre-existing memory T-cell responses, with cross-protective potential against SARS-CoV-2, would expand in vivo to support rapid viral control, aborting infection."14:51
de-facto"We measured SARS-CoV-2-reactive T-cells, including those against the early transcribed replication transcription complex (RTC), in intensively monitored healthcare workers (HCW) remaining repeatedly negative by PCR, antibody binding, and neutralisation (seronegative HCW, SN-HCW)."14:52
de-facto"HCW had stronger, more multispecific memory T-cells than an unexposed pre-pandemic cohort, and more frequently directed against the RTC than the structural protein-dominated responses seen post-detectable infection (matched concurrent cohort). SN-HCW with the strongest RTC-specific T-cells had an increase in IFI27, a robust early innate signature of SARS-CoV-2, suggesting abortive infection. "14:54
de-facto"RNA-polymerase within RTC was the largest region of high sequence conservation across human seasonal coronaviruses (HCoV) and SARS-CoV-2 clades. RNA-polymerase was preferentially targeted (amongst regions tested) by T-cells from pre-pandemic cohorts and SN-HCW. RTC epitope-specific T-cells cross-recognising HCoV variants were identified in SN-HCW."14:54
de-facto"Enriched pre-existing RNA-polymerase-specific T-cells expanded in vivo to preferentially accumulate in the memory response after putative abortive compared to overt SARS-CoV-2 infection. Our data highlight RTC-specific T-cells as targets for vaccines against endemic and emerging Coronaviridae."14:55
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): Oostenrijk voert ondertussen een vaccinatieplicht in. Een beter compromis misschien: opkomstplicht, waarbij iedereen zich zou moeten aanbieden bij een vaccinatiecentrum om daar correct geinformeerd te worden over kosten & baten van vaccinatie & dan een spuitje [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/146169522185142681915:02
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: US expands COVID boosters to all adults, final hurdle ahead → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/us-expands-covid-boosters-to-all-adults-final-hurdle-ahead-7631688/15:12
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): I have friend recently moved out of state, where she will die from idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis, a lethal and painful condition. My virologist friend Bob Shope from Galveston did same a few years back. And yet if COVID-recovered are showing x-ray [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/146170077490008883615:23
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: FDA expands emergency use for Pfizer and Moderna Covid boosters; Biden move to lower drug prices would save U.S. $160 billion → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2021/11/19/biden-medicare-covid19-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-antibiotics-opioids/15:34
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The United States is significantly less vaccinated than Austria pic.twitter.com/Aria9lrx9r → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/146170561768122778515:45
BrainstormNew from FDA Press Releases: FDA In Brief: FDA Issues Final Orders Reclassifying Certain Hepatitis C Diagnostic Tests from Class III to Class II: Today, the FDA issued two final orders, reclassifying certain HCV diagnostic [... want %more?] → http://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-brief-fda-issues-final-orders-reclassifying-certain-hepatitis-c-diagnostic-tests-class-iii-class15:56
BrainstormNew from EMA: News and press releases: (news): EMA issues advice on use of Lagevrio (molnupiravir) for the treatment of COVID-19, CHMP, 19/11/2021 → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-issues-advice-use-lagevrio-molnupiravir-treatment-covid-1916:07
de-facto.title https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Daten/Inzidenz_Impfstatus.html16:28
Brainstormde-facto: From www.rki.de: RKI - Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 - Inzidenzen der symptomatischen und hospitalisierten COVID-19-Fälle nach Impfstatus (Tabelle jeden Donnerstag aktualisiert)16:28
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Today Canada approved vaccinations for ages 5-11 twitter.com/EricTopol/stat… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/146171646722155725116:29
de-factoFit on symptomatic breakthrough efficacy on 18-59 year olds reveals a half life of 62.35 ± 3.06 days in Germany for the weeks 34-4416:30
lastshellUSA FDA authorize booster for all adults at least 6 months after initial shots16:31
de-factoSTIKO does same, mRNA booster for 18+ year olds at least 5-6 months after completing initial vaccination16:35
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +58106 cases (now 5.3 million), +152 deaths (now 99240) since 21 hours ago — Canada: +2780 cases (now 1.8 million), +29 deaths (now 29519) since 23 hours ago — Switzerland: +2 cases (now 941218) since 2 hours ago16:37
lastshellhere in USA was weird some states had different ages I think now they want to standarize all states16:39
de-factoefficacy against symptomatic infection peaked at week 34 with ~83% now went down to 64% for adults 18-59 years in Germany16:39
lastshellthats with the booster de-facto ?16:40
de-factoFit on hospitalized breakthrough efficacy on 18-59 year olds reveals a half life of 56.76 ± 5.07 days in Germany for the weeks 34-4416:54
de-factoefficacy against hospitalized infection peaked at week 34 with ~94% now went down to 86% for adults 18-59 years in Germany16:55
de-factolastshell, no booster just began, Germany always is too late with reacting instead of predicting16:56
lastshellwell same here in USA only israel is the country who has already booster data ?16:57
de-factoyes i think so16:57
de-factoIsrael broke their forth wave with boosting those that are already vaccinated17:00
de-factohttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/17:00
de-factomaybe in a few years politicians will realize they have to act proactively instead of reacting to infections17:00
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Derek Lowe (@Dereklowe): Can the coronavirus vaccines interfere with DNA repair and raise the risk of cancer? Here's a dive into the details, which I hope can put peoples' minds at ease:science.org/content/blog-p… → https://twitter.com/Dereklowe/status/146172408428751258217:01
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): In the setting of a prison, transmission of Delta infections from fully vaccinated individuals was similar to that of unvaccinated medrxiv.org/content/10.110… pic.twitter.com/VlDqW5EsnK → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/146172767089547264117:11
LjLLet's boost everyone after 30 days, every 30 days. That way we'll be proactive17:18
lastshellLjL after 30 days the inmunity start to go down ?17:19
LjLThe immunity starts going down after 15 days when it peaks. "Starts" being the keyword17:20
LjLI was being tongue in cheek. I just think that 6 months is already a tight enough schedule17:20
LjLSure governments are often being reactive instead of proactive. But when exactly should they have given us a booster already? In 2019?17:21
lastshellwell 2019 we didn't have vaxines17:21
Rudd-O[m]I think we should just fall under our governments' orders and there should be mandatory imprisonment for anyone who doesn't take their weekly injection.17:22
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): "This graphic is so important. The vaccinations are incredibly effective in preventing hospitalization. Please get vaccinated so that there is no hard triage or another shutdown in the hospitals."Graphic shows: Covid hospital admissions by vaccination status [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/146173087181227623017:22
Rudd-O[m](This would only apply to the regular folks of course.  Those of us who are rich have servants so that we don't have to do any of that.)17:22
de-factoboosting before the predicted winter wave would have made sense as one example17:23
lastshellyeah, well goverments are like companies17:24
lastshellreactive work is the norm sadly17:24
Rudd-O[m]Yah.  Companies with many guns and the presumption that when they injure, kidnap or kill someone, they did it righteously.17:24
de-factoyeah and that is exactly the reason for our current problems17:24
Rudd-O[m]Which is why all governments should be mandating infinite injections forever, and that way, because it's the government mandating it, we know it's good and anyone against it should be imprisoned.17:25
lastshellRudd-O[m] not sure if you are trolling or not17:25
Rudd-O[m]I am surprised why governments haven't yet put up gulags with all these dissenting lumpen.17:26
lastshellbut I don't thing vaccines mandate helps17:26
Rudd-O[m]I guess in Australia they have at least begun that necessary work!17:26
Rudd-O[m]lastshell: Why do you contradict your government bro?  Haven't you seen the television?17:26
Rudd-O[m]If the government says you must take Pfizer products, you just must.17:27
lastshellI do not contradict, I use my brain17:27
de-factostarting with establishing and trusting a scientific committee would be a start already17:27
Rudd-O[m]It's not like you're paying for it.  The government already graciously borrowed money to pay for them!17:27
Rudd-O[m]de-facto: Good job for the government.  Something like the National Institutes of Health.  Wait, we already have that.17:27
lastshellI can see a lot of hessitance when the vaccines become a mandate17:28
lastshellsome healtcare workers just quit17:28
Rudd-O[m]Traitors.17:28
lastshellwell some of those traitors got covid and recovered17:29
de-factoits not only health, its also many other expertise that are required, among them mathematicians, epidemiologists, psychologists, economists etc pp17:29
lastshelland took care of some patients17:29
de-factowe would need a round table of such experts17:29
lastshellI wonder if when the first cases they just made a global lockdown worldwide17:31
lastshellprobably that will be the best solution and we where back to normal17:31
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): Please RT the original if you can. I just retweeted in English because indeed, the graphic is *so important*. People think if you can get infected with the vaccine, the vaccine doesn't do anything. But it does - so much! → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/146173243197172122417:33
BrainstormUpdates for Netherlands: +21060 cases (now 2.4 million), +37 deaths (now 19344) since 18 hours ago17:39
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): This used to just be a funny comic, but now no scientist working on #COVID19 can deny they're aware that this is how media works.So please. Tweet, blog, comment, give quotes, & publish with this in mind. By being proactive & aware, you can reduce [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/146173376474109133917:43
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Document: Lagevrio (molnupiravir) - COVID19 - Article-5(3) procedure: Conditions of use, conditions for distribution and patients targeted and conditions for safety monitoring → https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/referral/lagevrio-molnupiravir-covid19-article-53-procedure-conditions-use-conditions-distribution-patients_en.pdf17:54
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): We import so much from Europe, good and bad. The virus too- also the stupidity. COVID has revealed many cracks in the European firewall and, as here, is accentuating our divisions. nature.com/articles/d4158… → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/146174156023248076818:05
ArsaneritThe result of my PCR-test was negative.18:18
BrainstormArsanerit: At 2021-11-18 23:47:17 UTC, LjL told you: Just about every time I've seen cases rise swiftly, they also went down just as swiftly. It can't just be "everybody got it" because it then happens again. I think it's either a combination of factors interacting in a complex way, or something we're not considering.18:18
LjL-MatrixThank your mask :)18:29
BrainstormUpdates for Italy: +10554 cases (now 4.9 million), +48 deaths (now 133082), +534690 tests (now 113.4 million) since a day ago18:29
Guest39austria mandating vaccination for all18:32
Guest39how would they do it? fines?18:32
Guest39:)))18:32
de-factohow is it going in Poland?18:35
Guest39tricky to say :)18:38
Guest39at the moment government is on paper pro people18:39
Guest39no mandatory Xd18:39
Guest39however what is really going on who knows18:39
de-factoinfections seem to rise?18:39
Guest39eee18:40
Guest39you need to join #paranoia :)18:40
Guest39majority of poles wear 0 masks :P18:40
Guest39and cough openly18:40
de-factough that does not sound good18:41
de-factohttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/poland/18:41
BrainstormNew from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - DECRETO 12 agosto 2021: Remunerazione di  una  funzione  assistenziale  e  di  un  incrementotariffario per le attivita' rese  a  pazienti  affetti  da  COVID-19.(21A06765) → http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2021/11/19/21A06765/SG18:48
ArsaneritLjL-Matrix: combi of mask and vaccination, I guess18:55
de-factohappy to hear your test turned out to be negative Arsanerit18:56
Arsanerityes, as we expected18:57
BrainstormNew from Politico: Business and competition: Legal campaigners write to UK government over PPE contracts procurement → https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-government-good-law-project-procurement-contracts-pandemic/19:09
BrainstormNew from COVID tweets: Brian Hjelle, virologist (@hjelle_brian): Like trump he woulda completely screwed up COVID, but Goebbels handling media, nobody woulda known. pic.twitter.com/IyyHWzvgAF → https://twitter.com/hjelle_brian/status/146176198510040268919:30
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +44626 cases (now 9.8 million), +156 deaths (now 144156) since 23 hours ago19:31
LjLsorry Hjelle you have to go19:32
LjLSo I get this guy's tweet who literally states "Right-wing" in his profile, after clicking on a suggested #ObbligoVaccinale hashtag19:50
LjLhttps://twitter.com/strange_days_82/status/146174433452987597319:50
LjLIt translates to19:50
LjL"The vaccine made us go back to life as before. The vaccine will no longer allow restrictions. The vaccine is the only solution. We will be out of it soon. QED ... Gibraltar 100% vaccinated, but #lockdown for Christmas".19:50
LjLSo I go look at http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Gibraltar&cumulative=no&legacy=no19:50
LjLAnd sure enough there is a spike, but no deaths. None during this spike.19:50
LjLAnd yet, he's not wrong, because our politicians just aired their mouths too much and DID make those promises, which can't be kept, because deaths or not, you can't let spikes like that happen19:50
BrainstormUpdates for Spain: +6636 cases (now 5.1 million), +6 deaths (now 87810) since 23 hours ago20:09
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: News Scan for Nov 19, 2021: COVID-19 and loss of smell Global COVID vaccine inequality No smallpox in vials More Salmonella illnesses US flu uptick H9N2 avian flu death in China Polio in Nigeria → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/11/news-scan-nov-19-202120:20
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Dissecting the early COVID-19 cases in Wuhan ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/X3BUTNAF )20:26
LjL%title https://twitter.com/LukaMesin/status/145855379680880640320:31
BrainstormLjL: From twitter.com: Luka Mesin (@LukaMesin): "We can also include the number of cases for the same period." | nitter20:31
de-facto.title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-021-00663-320:32
Brainstormde-facto: From www.nature.com: Vitamin D shuts down T cell-mediated inflammation | Nature Reviews Immunology20:32
BrainstormUpdates for France: +18958 cases (now 7.5 million) since 23 hours ago20:34
LjLHere's a reminder to express your opinion about what the bot posts, at https://framadate.org/covid-bot20:37
de-facto%tell TurboTech https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-021-00663-320:50
Brainstormde-facto, I'll pass TurboTech your message when they are around.20:50
lastshellnice Vitamin-D always help20:57
de-facto.title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-01080-321:03
Brainstormde-facto: From www.nature.com: Autocrine vitamin D signaling switches off pro-inflammatory programs of TH1 cells | Nature Immunology21:03
de-factoi think the key to mitigating COVID is to understand all the details about T-cells21:04
lastshellbut vitamin d helps the t-cells ?21:05
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): First look at the only randomized trial of a booster vaccine data (Pfizer) today cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/…95% efficacy vs symptomatic infections, consistent across all age, sex, race, ethnicity and comorbid condition subgroups Benefit seen very early pic.twitter.com/bSarj5263t → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/146178676813146521921:13
MerlinMp[m]In Poland there is strong opposition against any mandate21:29
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Side by side event curves for the original Pfizer vaccine trial vs the Booster trialYou can see the curves diverge about a week earlier with a booster, ~14 vs 7 days, which aligns with much faster induction of neutralizing antibodies pic.twitter.com/WhnZbjyIXj → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/146179351645199155621:34
ArsaneritThe Corona-Warn-App shows me a second risk engagement, from when I was queueing (outside, with distance and FFP2-mask) for the PCR-test.21:51
Arsaneritthat does make sense actually21:52
BrainstormNew from StatNews: CDC advisory committee votes to broaden Covid-19 vaccine booster eligibility: An expert committee that advises the CDC on vaccines voted to recommend Covid-19 booster shot eligibility be thrown open to all U.S. adults. → https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/19/covid19-vaccine-boosters-cdc-vote-pfizer/21:56
ArsaneritIif I take it as a reason for another PCR test I can go on forever...21:56
BrainstormUpdates for India: +9989 cases (now 34.5 million) since 20 hours ago22:01
de-factoArsanerit, hehe so it seems to work22:10
de-factoyeah if you queued outdoors with mask the risk is very low22:11
ArsaneritOutdoors with mask, distance (more than 3 metre, as everybody else was sitting in cars), and doubly vaccinated.  I will consider the risk I was infected as negligible.22:15
ArsaneritIt actually pleases me to experience evidence that people are (still) using the Corona-Warn-App exposure notification function.22:16
BrainstormNew from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: Andy Becker: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/75/22:17
de-factoyeah thats what i meant with it works22:23
DreddPretty sure I walked past someone coughing their lungs out was covid on the way back from the shops earlier22:25
DreddHope they're ok but they really shouldn't be out and about in that state22:26
Arsanerithow can you be pretty sure about that?22:26
Arsaneritcovid is still not the only condition affecting the lungs22:26
DreddI figure it's a likely cause for a terrible dry cough22:27
DreddThat has someone doubled over in the street22:27
DreddIt's not something I have ever seen out and about before the pandemic either22:27
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Riots erupt during anti-lockdown protest in Rotterdam. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qxpp96/riots_erupt_during_antilockdown_protest_in/22:28
de-factoyeah unfortunately many people will end up with ruined health due to COVID22:34
de-facto.title https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8247/14/8/80722:38
Brainstormde-facto: From www.mdpi.com: Pharmaceuticals | Free Full-Text | Lung Fibrosis after COVID-19: Treatment Prospects22:39
de-facto"Two of the most common respiratory manifestations of COVID are a significant reduction in the diffusing capacity of the lungs (DLCO) and the associated pulmonary interstitial damage. One year after moderate COVID, the incidence rate of impaired DLCO and persistent lung damage still exceeds 30%, and one-third of the patients have severe DLCO impairment and fibrotic lung damage."22:39
de-facto"The incidence of COVID-induced pulmonary fibrosis caused by COVID can be estimated based on a 15-year observational study of lung pathology after SARS. Most SARS patients with fibrotic lung damage recovered within the first year and then remained healthy; however, in 20% of the cases, significant fibrosis progression was found in 5–10 years."22:40
de-facto"Based on these data, the incidence rate of post-COVID lung fibrosis can be estimated at 2–6% after moderate illness. What is worse, there are reasons to believe that fibrosis may become one of the major long-term complications of COVID, even in asymptomatic individuals. Currently, despite the best efforts of the global medical community, there are no treatments for COVID-induced pulmonary fibrosis."22:40
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +230 deaths (now 99399) since 17 hours ago22:44
LjLlovely22:44
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Yale University (@Yale): Novel Lyme vaccine shows promisenews.yale.edu/2021/11/17/nov… → https://twitter.com/Yale/status/146182209180474984023:32

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