| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): FDA authorizeert booster voor alle volwassenen voor Pfizer en Moderna 6 maanden na de 2de prik. twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/… → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1461830985545355265 | 00:03 |
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| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Patrick Loobuyck (@PLoobuyck): "In Nederlandse ziekenhuizen bereiden triageteams zich al voor. Deze teams zullen uiteindelijk moeten beslissen voor welke patiënt er nog wel een bed beschikbaar is, en voor wie niet." 😕 volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achterg… → https://twitter.com/PLoobuyck/status/1461834850667749378 | 00:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: US opens COVID boosters to all adults, urges them for 50+ → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/qxsakp/us_opens_covid_boosters_to_all_adults_urges_them/ | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +253 cases (now 1.6 million), +7 deaths (now 27946) since 21 hours ago | 01:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): I wish Dr. Hotez was also the Grand Marshal of the US pandemic. We’d be a lot better off. Thanks @PeterHotez for all you do twitter.com/houmayor/statu… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461853953604214784 | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Boosters (3rd shots)How to avoid confusion and align with the datawashingtonpost.com/health/2021/11…or How to engender confusion and disregard the evidence wsj.com/articles/covid… @CDCDirector pic.twitter.com/SUc09EOARW → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461863247527612420 | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Take a look at the data for people age 18- 55 in this, the only randomized trial (and N>10,000) of a booster vs placebo. Let's make believe @CDCgov that only people >age 50 "should" derive benefit vs symptomatic infections. The primary efficacy endpoint of all [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461866425270738948 | 02:30 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-11-19/02-COVID-Perez-508.pdf | 02:39 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.cdc.gov: P113901_Pfizer PowerPoint Template_Logo_Confidential_16x9 (OCS) | 02:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Gold nanoclusters have been used to fight antibiotic-resistant bacteria by disturbing the cell membrane - Initial tests on MRSE have shown a significant increase in susceptibility to some standard antibiotic treatments → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/qxugxs/gold_nanoclusters_have_been_used_to_fight/ | 02:41 |
| LjL | de-facto, how confidential is it :P | 02:43 |
| de-facto | the link is shared all over the internet | 02:48 |
| LjL | i'm just kidding, i don't even know, just because it literally says "Confidential" in Brainstorm's title | 02:49 |
| LjL | i think it's safe to say that if CDC did mean it as confidential, we have now 2 examples (100% of my chosen sample) of them not being very good at it | 02:50 |
| joerg | moin | 02:53 |
| LjL | moin | 02:54 |
| joerg | lombardy offers help with ICU to Bavaria. Thanks :-) I still rather will flee this place, it gets nasty here | 02:55 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Efficacy & Safety of BNT162b2 booster - C4591031 2 month interim analysis ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/U97AEUYN ) | 02:56 | |
| LjL | :( | 02:56 |
| LjL | a few Lombard patients were treated in German ICUs, although honestly i have no idea where | 02:57 |
| de-facto | The study data from Pfizer presented to CDC shows that boosting 18-55 year old people with 30µg BNT162b2 10-12 months after completing primary vaccination series begins to become effective already 7 days after injection with an acceptable side effects profile and shows a vaccine efficacy (against placebo in vaccinated) of ~95% | 02:57 |
| LjL | that 95% figure had been circulating for a while already, although i'm not sure which study it was, whether the same or not - just saw it on twitter | 02:58 |
| joerg | is there data for 4m2w after 2nd shot? | 02:58 |
| joerg | for >60 with medical conditions | 02:58 |
| LjL | joerg, in this study, only very very few patients were <6 months since the second dose | 02:59 |
| LjL | <6 Months 14 (0.3) 6 (0.1) | 02:59 |
| LjL | i think we can't base anything on that | 02:59 |
| joerg | well, I guess it won't hurt me to get my booster next week | 02:59 |
| LjL | but uh i would get it if i were >60 with medical conditions, especially if no adverse effects after the second dose | 03:00 |
| LjL | and by "i would get it" i mean *i* would get it and i am not advising | 03:00 |
| joerg | well, the ususal aka shaking, freezing for a 12h | 03:00 |
| LjL | although when i look at the side effect numbers i always feel a little anxious, but it's probably my half-empty-glass nature | 03:00 |
| LjL | well, that's more than my "absolutely nothing whatsoever" | 03:01 |
| LjL | but joerg remember those data that say they could make out basically *zero* protection after 6 months | 03:01 |
| LjL | so that's why personally i'd get it before 6 months if possible at all | 03:01 |
| joerg | I just wonder if that's now a good sign, a bad one, or means nothing at all | 03:01 |
| joerg | and since I plan to flee from Bavaria rather soonish, I can't wait with booster until 5 or even 6 months after 2nd shot | 03:03 |
| joerg | since then I'm not here | 03:03 |
| LjL | well i hope the booster gives enough antibodies that it won't take just another 6 months to be back on square one | 03:05 |
| LjL | but i don't know | 03:05 |
| LjL | joerg, can't you get your booster in another state? | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Anguilla: +93 cases (now 1268) since 2 days ago | 03:05 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Daten/Inzidenz_Impfstatus.html <-- I did a nonlinear fit on their data (weeks 34-44) for Germany 18-59 year olds: symptomatic breakthrough half life of 62.35 ± 3.06 days (efficacy 83% -> 64%), hospitalization breakthrough half life of 56.76 ± 5.07 days (efficacy 94% -> 86%) | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.rki.de: RKI - Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 - Inzidenzen der symptomatischen und hospitalisierten COVID-19-Fälle nach Impfstatus (Tabelle jeden Donnerstag aktualisiert) | 03:06 |
| joerg | hardly, particularly not in another country I guess | 03:06 |
| de-facto | joerg, ^^ | 03:06 |
| joerg | ta | 03:06 |
| joerg | sounds about right | 03:07 |
| maximilian90 | my bigggest worry is that I'll be forced to take the vaccine. not that I won't get it | 03:07 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.13.21264966v1 | 03:07 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infections in 620,000 U.S. Veterans, February 1, 2021 to August 13, 2021 | medRxiv | 03:07 |
| de-facto | i also did nonlinear fits on their data | 03:07 |
| de-facto | ModernaVE[t] = 1.0 - (0.0729543 ± 0.000280782) * 2 ^ (t / (66.6613 ± 0.192085)) ~ 1 - 0.073 * 2 ^ (t / 67) | 03:07 |
| joerg | also https://i.imgur.com/CfThRn3.png | 03:07 |
| de-facto | BiontechVE[t] = 1.0 - (0.0854976 ± 0.000384987) * 2 ^ (t / (59.7220 ± 0.176891)) ~ 1 - 0.085 * 2 ^ (t / 60) | 03:07 |
| de-facto | JanssenVE[t] = 1.0 - (0.1166390 ± 0.000696673) * 2 ^ (t / (50.0673 ± 0.160064)) ~ 1 - 0.117 * 2 ^ (t / 50) | 03:08 |
| de-facto | Halflife approx. T2_Moderna ~ 67 days; T2_Biontech ~ 60 days; T2_Janssen ~ 50 days | 03:08 |
| de-facto | joerg, so if you say you got 18 months that would mean BiontechVE[126] ~ 63% | 03:11 |
| de-facto | joerg, so if you say you got 18 *weeks* that would mean BiontechVE[126] ~ 63% | 03:11 |
| joerg | yep | 03:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists mystified, wary, as Africa avoids COVID disaster → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qxuzog/scientists_mystified_wary_as_africa_avoids_covid/ | 03:12 |
| de-facto | btw 10 months or 12 months would mean that BiontechVE is non-existent (it crosses zero at 7.5 months) with that fit function above (not sure if it still is accurate for such long times) | 03:17 |
| de-facto | 10-12 months is the timeframe of the CDC presentation i liked above | 03:17 |
| de-facto | with the STIKO recommendation to boost after 5-6 months it would mean 57% or 40% vaccine efficacy left to boost it up again to 95% | 03:19 |
| de-facto | for Biontech | 03:19 |
| joerg | I find info in https://i.imgur.com/CfThRn3.png rather interesting | 03:20 |
| de-facto | thats the data from another study | 03:21 |
| de-facto | .title https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410 | 03:22 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From papers.ssrn.com: Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccination Against Risk of Symptomatic Infection, Hospitalization, and Death Up to 9 Months: A Swedish Total-Population Cohort Study by Peter Nordström, Marcel Ballin, Anna Nordström :: SSRN | 03:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The US 5th wave is going exponential—122,000 new cases today, 7-day avg now >92,000—Added ~900 hospitalization, pushing ->50,000—And over 1,900 deathsnewsnodes.com/us pic.twitter.com/rdVAS0oVx4 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1461879917356802052 | 03:23 |
| joerg | meanwhile, I spotted another (new to me) type of covid-fool today: » if more than 90% of scientists would say it's safe, I would get the vaccination « -obvious lack of any idea about what's a scientist and what is not, or what 90% means | 03:26 |
| joerg | Soeder closing pubs at 22:00 - as if the virus had a wrist watch to look for the time of day | 03:28 |
| joerg | same bullshit as every year, James | 03:29 |
| joerg | of course, Miss Sophie | 03:29 |
| joerg | LjL: sorry I was too optimistic about idiocy of man when I told you when this shit will be over | 03:33 |
| LjL | ;( | 03:34 |
| LjL | joerg, do you have a pointer to Bavaria data? | 03:34 |
| LjL | %cases germany | 03:34 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Germany has had 5.3 million confirmed cases (6.4% of all people) and 99399 deaths (1.9% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 82.0 million tests were done (6.5% positive). 58.4 million were vaccinated (70.3%). +230 deaths since 17 hours ago. See https://corona.rki.de/ or https://corona-data.eu/en/ | 03:35 |
| LjL | well maybe one of those will work :P | 03:35 |
| LjL | i thought Bavaria would be under Austria, but... | 03:35 |
| * LjL runs | 03:35 | |
| de-facto | Austria got higher average altitude :P | 03:46 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.lgl.bayern.de/gesundheit/infektionsschutz/infektionskrankheiten_a_z/coronavirus/karte_coronavirus/index.htm | 03:48 |
| de-facto | LjL, ^^ | 03:48 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.lgl.bayern.de: Coronavirus: Übersichtskarte der Fälle in Bayern | 03:48 |
| de-facto | .title https://covid19-dashboard.ages.at/ | 03:49 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From covid19-dashboard.ages.at: AGES Dashboard COVID19 - Aktuelle Situation | 03:49 |
| LjL | thanks, so 14k cases in one day? | 03:52 |
| LjL | did you really just have 63400 cases in one day in all of Germany | 03:53 |
| LjL | jesus christ | 03:53 |
| LjL | you're about to surpass the UK's top daily | 03:54 |
| de-facto | yeah :/ | 03:54 |
| de-facto | oh btw LjL unfortunately the https://corona-data.eu/en/ is not updated since late 2020, very sad because it was a really cool website with heatmaps | 03:55 |
| LjL | oh | 03:56 |
| LjL | i guess it shouldn't be in Brainstorm then | 03:56 |
| joerg | LjL: there's also https://corona.rki.de/ with select box upper right set to "Bayern", but de-facto had a better source | 03:59 |
| joerg | » did you really « it were even 65k according to RKI | 04:01 |
| de-facto | there is also https://corona.stat.uni-muenchen.de/nowcast/ | 04:01 |
| joerg | but that's a rather noisy daily number of sent faximiles, not the average | 04:02 |
| de-facto | looks pretty good to me | 04:04 |
| de-facto | meaning accurate, the exponential increase everywhere is rather unfortunate of course | 04:04 |
| joerg | here's a city data portal (mine) https://www.nuernberg.de/internet/stadtportal/corona_impfung.html | 04:05 |
| joerg | my city, not my portal, of course | 04:16 |
| LjL | my fear for italy is that other countries will have a "christmas lockdown" like basically already announced, because they're having a spike | 04:17 |
| LjL | but in italy, they're still kinda saying we aren't having a spike (we are, we're just late) | 04:17 |
| LjL | and i dunno what will happen around christmas holidays | 04:18 |
| joerg | I heard italy is doing rather fine right now, but of course also in italy R_t will jump up a maybe 0.5 seasonal / winter | 04:19 |
| joerg | so depending on how fine you actually do and how much you take care to adjust to "winter mode", you may or may not get away without any severe effects | 04:21 |
| joerg | one thing's for sure: your politicians are smarter than ours, at least the two guys relevant for managing covid | 04:22 |
| LjL | italy is not doing fine though | 04:22 |
| LjL | we have a much much lower case count than germany | 04:23 |
| LjL | but we have pretty much the same Rt | 04:23 |
| joerg | :nod: | 04:23 |
| joerg | I hope those "smarter guys" of yours actually act smart and swift, unlike ours did | 04:24 |
| LjL | they usually don't | 04:24 |
| de-facto | well you could have a real advantage if your countries management uses the time advantage it got now from observing what happens in other EU countries | 04:30 |
| de-facto | Germany will struggle badly this winter, also because of government change and many mistakes not being learned from (e.g. ignoring those scientists that proved to contribute accurate predictions in the past= | 04:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +44826 cases (now 9.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +21083 cases (now 2.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 04:33 |
| LjL | de-facto, except that the one thing i've clearly learned from this pandemic is that governments do NOT use the time advantage given by observing what happens in nearby countries | 04:35 |
| LjL | i honestly find it hilarious you even still think it's a real possibility | 04:35 |
| de-facto | well it is the *only* way to control incidence, to act proactively | 04:36 |
| de-facto | maybe in a few years governments will start to realize that | 04:36 |
| de-facto | but yeah unfortunately i have to agree, it does not look like governments would learn from the past | 04:37 |
| de-facto | the problem with acting proactively is that if it succeeds people will blame the government to have done too much | 04:38 |
| de-facto | there is no glory in prevention | 04:38 |
| de-facto | there should be though | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Two wounded as Dutch police fire shots at protest over new Covid-19 restrictions → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/netherlands-dutch-covid-protests-police-7632261/ | 04:47 |
| joerg | politics always is an egoistic blamegame | 04:51 |
| joerg | and it's our fault that it is, we asked for it, we voted for it | 04:52 |
| joerg | when 30% think corona is a hoax invented by the government, what do you expect any government to do | 04:54 |
| de-facto | fucking hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hp6Gw-pzDA | 05:02 |
| de-facto | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0aUPsR0tcc | 05:06 |
| de-facto | thats what i was fearing some months ago, when i took a break | 05:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +21502 cases (now 1.6 million), +42 deaths (now 26568), +255971 tests (now 23.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 05:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Prince Charles ends first tour since start of pandemic → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/prince-charles-ends-first-tour-since-start-of-pandemic-7632293/ | 05:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +57302 cases (now 5.3 million) since 23 hours ago | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Austria announces Covid vaccine mandate, crossing a threshold for Europe → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/austria-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-europe-7632303/ | 05:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +10302 cases (now 34.5 million), +267 deaths (now 465349), +2326438 tests (now 630.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 06:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 831: COVID-19 clinical update #89 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #89, Dr. Griffin reviews upcoming meeting on FDA emergency use authorization for molnupiravir, 25% of US cases in children, reinfection associates with presence of antibodies, national surveillance for acute [... want %more?] → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-831/ | 06:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saxony, Germany: +8066 cases (now 411924), +26 deaths (now 10631) since a day ago — Noord-Brabant, Netherlands: +3669 cases (now 367993), +4 deaths (now 3264) since a day ago — Zeeland, Netherlands: +767 cases (now 44578) since a day ago — Anguilla, United Kingdom: +93 cases (now 1268) since 3 days ago | 06:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Deaths of people treated under the Mental Health Act rose during pandemic → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59336579 | 06:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Why having bad oral health could raise the risk of Covid → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/bad-oral-health-raise-risk-of-covid-7625767/ | 07:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Ad campaign features testimonials from young ‘long haulers’ to motivate vaccine-holdouts → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/qxz612/ad_campaign_features_testimonials_from_young_long/ | 07:13 |
| joerg | just had a weird idea along AI and maybe just spamassassin, training it by valuable vs nonsense&offtopic articles to decide which news are worthy and which are not. This is NO criticism, I think the bot mostly does a fine job already. Just musing how it could possibly improve to do an even better job maybe | 07:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID: AstraZeneca unveils antibody treatment and preventative shot for those who can’t be vaccinated - AstraZeneca said the drug reduced the risk of severe disease and death by 77 per cent → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qxzhtk/covid_astrazeneca_unveils_antibody_treatment_and/ | 07:34 |
| joerg | it's almost like a deja-vu. Did I mention exactly this idea before already? | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Czechia: +23033 cases (now 2.0 million), +126 deaths (now 32005) since a day ago | 07:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: COVID: Germany faces ‘national emergency’ → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/covid-germany-faces-national-emergency-7632513/ | 08:15 |
| covidsavior[m] | People Must Start New Project To Share Solutions To End The COVID Event, Blaming Do Not Help | 08:15 |
| covidsavior[m] | https://saviorscyber.wordpress.com/2021/11/20/people-must-start-new-project-to-share-solutions-to-end-the-covid-event-blaming-do-not-help/ | 08:15 |
| joerg | re "germany faces..." two above >>In the past two weeks, the number of new cases has jumped by more than 60%.« rather looks to me like a doubling every two weeks, for at least 4 weeks now | 08:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: First-Ever mRNA Vaccine for Lyme Disease Shows Promise in Guinea Pigs → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/qy0ewl/firstever_mrna_vaccine_for_lyme_disease_shows/ | 08:36 |
| joerg | 2021-10-17 9321; 2021-10-24 13916; 2021-10-31 19541; 2021-11-07 25369; 2021-11-14 38507 | 08:39 |
| joerg | prolly nobody thought "it's over now, finally" around 2021-09-22 when looking at https://i.imgur.com/1MoanOD.png | 08:47 |
| joerg | or maybe some fools actually did | 08:49 |
| joerg | we've been told by idiots that "incidences don't mean anything anymore, since we got vaccines" - damn fools | 08:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | November 20, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/qy0whe/daily_discussion_thread_november_20_2021/ | 09:08 |
| Dredd | Why are the Dutch rioting in Rotterdam. Covid doesn't care about riots or protests | 09:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Singapore relaxes COVID-19 social curbs from Monday → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/singapore-relaxes-covid-19-social-curbs-from-monday-7632614/ | 09:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Biden’s balancing act in the Middle East has a problem: Israel: In an interview, Israel’s interior minister dismisses U.S. plans to reopen a consulate in Jerusalem and downplays reports of Israeli settler violence against Palestinians. → https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/19/biden-middle-east-israel-523053 | 10:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Rotterdam police open fire as Covid protest turns violent | Netherlands → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qy1vqv/rotterdam_police_open_fire_as_covid_protest_turns/ | 10:31 |
| joerg | Dredd: they are rioting against the government. Seems they got a tradition to do so, it's not the first time, not even because of corona | 10:35 |
| joerg | and I recall Kraakers back in the 80s | 10:36 |
| joerg | https://libsoc-wiki.fandom.com/wiki/Kraakers | 10:37 |
| joerg | https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/libsoc-wiki/images/5/55/Krakersellen.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20190607040554 | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +56744 cases (now 5.3 million) since 20 hours ago | 10:40 |
| joerg | 9 months ago, same thing https://youtu.be/mO-7wbeweTc | 10:42 |
| joerg | %tr <de Ausgabgssperre? Erstmal ein Krankenhaus angreifen und Mittelstandsläden plündern | 10:43 |
| Brainstorm | joerg, German to English: Output lock? First attack a hospital and plunder medium-sized shops (MyMemory, Google) | 10:43 |
| joerg | dang, that's AusgaNgssperre aka curfew | 10:44 |
| joerg | %tr <de Corona Maßnahmen ergeben für mich schon Sinn, aber eine Ausgangssperre ist keine eigentliche Coronamaßnahme sondern dient nur dazu, bestehende Durchzusetzen. Es schränkt jeden ein, der sich an alles hält, ohne einen wirklichen Mehrwehrt zu bieten. Das ist die erste Maßnahme die ich auch nicht vertretbar finde | 10:46 |
| Brainstorm | joerg, German to English: Corona measures make sense to me, but a curfew is not an actual corona measure but only serves to enforce existing ones. It restricts anyone who sticks to everything without offering any real added value. That is the first measure that I do not find justifiable (MyMemory, Google) | 10:46 |
| joerg | I wholeheartedly agree | 10:46 |
| genera | middle class, not middle size | 10:46 |
| Dredd | Oh, I didn't know the Dutch had such a recent history of rebellion | 10:49 |
| joerg | *sigh* https://i.imgur.com/TB9KZzJ.png as bad as it looks | 10:55 |
| joerg | the yellow spot is simply "IT fubar since weeks" | 10:57 |
| genera | who is that? | 10:57 |
| joerg | errr, mekpom? | 10:58 |
| genera | okay | 10:58 |
| joerg | LK Ludwigslust-Parchim | 10:58 |
| joerg | prolly ransomware | 10:59 |
| joerg | we're again at +63,924 even without that LK | 11:00 |
| joerg | a few days ago I did bet on >100k before december. Seems it will pan out | 11:01 |
| joerg | https://corona.rki.de/ | 11:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: Rotterdam police and protesters clash as coronavirus protest turns into ‘orgy of violence’ → https://www.politico.eu/article/at-least-seven-injured-as-police-fire-warning-shots-in-rotterdam-coronavirus-riots/ | 11:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Europe’s COVID crisis pits vaccinated against unvaccinated → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/europes-covid-crisis-pits-vaccinated-against-unvaccinated-7632732/ | 11:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +44799 cases (now 9.8 million), +28880 vaccines (now 50.7 million) since 23 hours ago — France: +21252 cases (now 7.5 million), +51 deaths (now 119384), +27957 vaccines (now 51.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 11:29 |
| bolovanos_ | joerg, that would be 184k if it were in my country with 8times more citizens... | 11:48 |
| joerg | hell, 8 times 81mio, guess country... I pass | 12:21 |
| joerg | I don't get the math either | 12:22 |
| joerg | ???? * 8 = 184k | 12:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Northern Territory to ban unvaccinated travellers → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qy3jl3/northern_territory_to_ban_unvaccinated_travellers/ | 12:57 |
| bolovanos | joerg, cze 10mil, ger 83 mil, our cases 23k -> 23k * 8 = 184k... | 12:59 |
| joerg | is way around | 12:59 |
| joerg | oh, th*is... | 13:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: LEGGE 19 novembre 2021, n.165: Conversione in legge, con modificazioni, del decreto-legge 21settembre 2021, n. 127, recante misure urgenti per assicurare losvolgimento in sicurezza del lavoro pubblico e privato mediantel'estensione dell'ambito [... want %more?] → http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2021/11/20/21G00182/SG | 13:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): The vaccine effect: pic.twitter.com/iMgYKTkbNL → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1462036922134634501 | 13:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +209 cases (now 818787), +1 deaths (now 11495), +4145 tests (now 4.6 million) since a day ago | 13:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Not having a high vaccination rate; pic.twitter.com/4UsCiEP5qi → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1462042575192342540 | 14:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +58275 cases (now 5.3 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: COVID Sure Looks Seasonal Now: The first part of what may be the first epidemiologic text ever written begins like so: “Whoever wishes to investigate medicine properly, should proceed thus: in the first place to consider the seasons of the year.” The book is On Airs, [... want %more?] → https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/11/covid-seasonal-winter/620766/ | 14:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +178 cases (now 1.6 million), +33231 tests (now 10.7 million) since 14 hours ago | 15:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Rotterdam police clash with rioters as Covid protest turns violent | 20NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/qy6952/rotterdam_police_clash_with_rioters_as_covid/ | 15:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Delta-Like COVID-19 Variants Are Most Likely To Increase Pandemic Severity → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qy69v0/deltalike_covid19_variants_are_most_likely_to/ | 15:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +610 cases (now 9.8 million) since 20 hours ago | 15:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Our covid times :-)by @tc2oons pic.twitter.com/ACZ4xfupBl → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1462068111809544199 | 15:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Yaneer Bar-Yam (@yaneerbaryam): More on brain damage:Frequency of Neurologic Manifestations in COVID-19“Critically, the pooled prevalence in our review for the diagnosis of stroke was 2%... an alarming, enduring neurological morbidity associated with the pandemic." [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1462080390223564802 | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +2811 cases (now 1.8 million), +19 deaths (now 29538) since 23 hours ago | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): The international community of Healthcare workers really should not accept that ANY frontline Healthcare worker has a surgical mask not an N95+ nearly 2 YEARS into this.Who is responsible for this failure? → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1462087342920028177 | 17:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Austrian politics: Major protest in Vienna against lockdown and mandatory coronavirus vaccination → https://www.politico.eu/article/vienna-police-reign-in-as-anti-vaxxers-merge-with-far-right-extremists-in-large-coronavirus-restrictions-protests-austria/ | 17:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Thousands protest upcoming lockdown in Vienna → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/protest-covid-lockdown-austria-vienna-7633336/ | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +21851 cases (now 2.5 million), +55 deaths (now 19399) since 23 hours ago | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Fewer Children Were Up to Date on Routine Vaccinations in 2020 than in 2019: Routine infant, child, and adolescent vaccination rates and coverage were lower in 2020 than in 2019, particularly for Black children. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/fewer-children-were-up-to-date-on-routine-vaccinations-in-2020-than-in-2019 | 17:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Russian trolls pretending to be American lefties want you to believe that "liberal" means capitalism. It doesn't. Putin is a fascist. Fascists use lies as a weapon. Russian trolls are trying to divide and conquer [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/qy9g33/russian_trolls_pretending_to_be_american_lefties/ | 17:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +11540 cases (now 4.9 million), +49 deaths (now 133131), +578610 tests (now 114.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 18:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: WHO says it is very worried about Europe surge → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qy9gp9/covid_who_says_it_is_very_worried_about_europe/ | 18:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Bavaria gets tough on Covid with cancellation of Christmas markets - German state, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country, to place limits on household mixing → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qy9nhw/bavaria_gets_tough_on_covid_with_cancellation_of/ | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_ITALIA: USA: cambio di strategia verso la cura del Covid...Si va verso la Pillola curativa → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA/comments/qyafey/usa_cambio_di_strategia_verso_la_cura_del_covidsi/ | 18:36 |
| Dredd | Yay, I just got pfizered | 18:54 |
| Arsanerit | 1st, 2nd, 3rd? | 19:01 |
| * Arsanerit got his second dose of Comirnaty® on 2021-06-28, so won't get third dose until the new year | 19:02 | |
| de-facto | congratz Dredd :) | 19:04 |
| de-facto | good timing btw :P | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Keep SARS-CoV-2 circulation low together!1. Hand hygiëne RR 0.492. Masks RR 0.473. Distanceing RR 0.75"Several personal protective and social measures are associated with reductions in the incidence covid-19"bmj.com/content/375/bm… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1462119364577136650 | 19:07 |
| Arsanerit | Is it right to make vaccinations mandatory for all eligible people, such as Austria has announced? | 19:08 |
| gustik | no | 19:11 |
| gustik | over past 2 years ppl were promised by the politicians in office that there will be no vaccine mandate under any circumstances and everyone who tells them so is a conspiracy theorist | 19:12 |
| Tha_14 | No, It would only be right if the mortality rate was a lot higher than what it currently is in my opinion | 19:12 |
| gustik | yes. that too, but one has to see the political ramifications of this | 19:12 |
| Tha_14 | True | 19:13 |
| gustik | now every "conspiracy theorist" (me included) can freely say -> I TOLD YOU SO | 19:13 |
| Arsanerit | I'm not sure who actually promised that there would never be mandatory vaccinations for anybody. | 19:13 |
| Arsanerit | bbl | 19:14 |
| gustik | In Germany for example the health minister | 19:14 |
| Dredd | <Arsanerit> "got his second dose of Comirnaty..." <- 3rd booster thing | 19:14 |
| gustik | and it was once again reinforced also by the new government in Germany that they will NOT pursue the same way as Austria did | 19:14 |
| Dredd | <de-facto> "good timing btw :P" <- I went to a walk in place. If I booked the proper way I'd be waiting for at least 3 weeks and have to go somewhere way less convenient | 19:16 |
| gustik | and who thinks that Austria is only doing this because of COVID19 is also missing the point. In Austria the former chancellor has lost his immunity and he may be now criminally prosecuted, so this all talk about vaccination mandates may be a way to distract ppl from political problems inside of Austria | 19:16 |
| gustik | let's not forget that there is no concrete plan on paper how Austria plans to implement this mandates ... it may also be that it will not come ... as of today it's only talk, no law was passed yet | 19:17 |
| gustik | and those who will not take the vaccine will be fined ... but no idea how much the fine should be... in case it's like 60 EUR or so, many will rather pay the fine, if it's 5000 EUR many would be forced into it economically, but then it could end up in constitutional court | 19:19 |
| Dredd | <Arsanerit> "Is it right to make vaccinations..." <- I don't think so but I do think it's fair that if people choose not to get vaccinated that they are the ones who have to lose out on stuff / be more restricted | 19:24 |
| Dredd | <Arsanerit> "I'm not sure who actually..." <- It certainly wasn't promised where I am | 19:26 |
| gustik | what's where? | 19:26 |
| Dredd | Uk | 19:27 |
| gustik | ah, UK has no such problems | 19:27 |
| Dredd | Until recently it hasn't even been mandatory for frontline health workers lol | 19:27 |
| gustik | in UK they live freely, nothing compared to what is happening here | 19:27 |
| Dredd | Ah | 19:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +2756 cases (now 1.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): As the US begins its 5th wave with 59% vaccinated, Canada, with 76% vaccinated, shows no sign of increased spreadDeath rate 🇺🇸 5.3-fold 🇨🇦Hospitalizations 🇺🇸3-fold 🇨🇦New cases 🇺🇸 >4-fold🇨🇦@OurWorldInData pic.twitter.com/IT6W4sIpmw → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1462127653129908231 | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronavirusUK: Saturday 20 November 2021 Update → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/qycccn/saturday_20_november_2021_update/ | 20:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +40108 cases (now 9.9 million), +150 deaths (now 144308) since 16 hours ago | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): By not promoting boosters among the fully vaccinated for all adults, the US is actually going into further attrition of protection. The net number of newly vaccinated people each day is markedly exceeded by those who have waned and not boosted. /7 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1462150385716531201 | 21:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): If we compare to state-level data we get 90% in Washington State (doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/CO…), 86% in California (covid19.ca.gov/vaccination-pr…), 96% in Minnesota (mn.gov/covid19/vaccin…), 91% in Texas (tabexternal.dshs.texas.gov/t/THD/views/CO…), etc... 2/3 → https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1462152382016462848 | 21:23 |
| LjL | maybe let's give everyone three boosters | 21:32 |
| LjL | buy some time | 21:32 |
| LjL | /s i suppose | 21:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): I'm not sure where this error is coming from, but it looks like it's propagating to other vaccination coverage trackers relying on CDC data like @MayoClinic's at mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-co… and @nytimes's at nytimes.com/interactive/20…. 3/3 → https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1462152382989488130 | 21:34 |
| Dredd | LjL: A booster a day keeps the covid away | 21:34 |
| Dredd | 😂 | 21:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +22678 cases (now 7.5 million), +23 deaths (now 119407) since 10 hours ago | 21:39 |
| de-facto | flu shot also is every year before the winter... so.. | 21:40 |
| LjL | de-facto, except a minority of people gets it | 21:54 |
| LjL | and also 6 months != 12 months | 21:54 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Let's all do what Pharma tells us what to do. After all, how could it go wrong, amirite? | 21:55 |
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| de-facto | i dont care who tells what, i only care about the stats | 21:59 |
| de-facto | and those show that if timed appropriately before the winter it should last through it | 22:00 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Sorry the job of Fauxi is already taken. | 22:03 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Right now the important thing is to do what the authorities tell us to do. | 22:03 |
| Rudd-O[m] | And mistreat anyone who disobeys. | 22:04 |
| Rudd-O[m] | Assholes need to be treated like the assholes they are. | 22:04 |
| de-facto | right now the important thing is to work together, because blaming others (even with sarcasm) is not really helping anyone, on the contrary | 22:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Baric Laboratory (@Baric_Lab): We are honored to be in the @smithsonian Arts and Industries Museum exhibit for our contributions to the #Moderna #COVID19 vaccine led by @KizzyPhD @BarneyGrahamMD @McLellan_Lab @Ardinajp @DenisonLab Pictured from our group @David_RMartinez @aschaefe29 [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Baric_Lab/status/1462164558844411911 | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +4764 cases (now 34.5 million) since 17 hours ago | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Germans, Austrians line up for shots as COVID cases soar across Europe: About 65% of Austria's population is fully vaccinated and about 68% of Germany's, → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/qyfk9l/germans_austrians_line_up_for_shots_as_covid/ | 23:17 |
| LjL | Rudd-O[m], enough with the meme-type thing and childish namecalling | 23:23 |
| LjL | this channel isn't a free-for-all | 23:23 |
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