| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD 🧬 (@michaelzlin): And molnupiravir is different from remdesivir. Remdesivir worked by blocking replication entirely, not by inducing mutations. See this article entitled "Molnupiravir: coding for catastrophe". Given the authors' enthusiasm, the irony appears [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1464368290990641162 | 00:02 |
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| de-facto | more mutations, yeah thats what we really need :/ | 00:07 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41594-021-00657-8 | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.nature.com: Molnupiravir: coding for catastrophe | Nature Structural & Molecular Biology | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: US to restrict travel from southern Africa over Omicron Covid variant fears → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r2zatt/us_to_restrict_travel_from_southern_africa_over/ | 00:31 |
| de-facto | we also should provide anything SA needs to contain this, we are lucky they detected it so early | 00:34 |
| de-facto | they should get any resources they ask for | 00:34 |
| de-facto | also they should ramp up vaccination, the faster the virus is cleared from a host the less time it has to breed on nasty mutations | 00:37 |
| de-facto | Omicron seems to primarily spread in the younger age groups in Joburg so far, hence we dont really know how severe it may become in the elderly | 00:44 |
| de-facto | it could be that it emerged from a immuno-supressed host, e.g. patients received a transplant or cancer patients or HIV immuno-suppressed invididuals | 00:47 |
| de-facto | btw HIV positive people that are well on their therapy (e.g. have a super low or undetectable HIV viral load) will respond very well to infection with SARS-CoV-2, hence those wont be a problem | 00:50 |
| de-facto | the problem rather emerges in individuals that can not clear the SARS-CoV-2 virus due to a weak or suppressed immune system and thereby have a persistent infection | 00:51 |
| de-facto | if such a immuno-suppressed carrier breeding out a mutant is combined with a super-spread event this could be the start of a new variant taking over | 00:52 |
| de-facto | since they noticed an increasing s-gene dropout in the PCR in Gauteng there is such a cluster spread | 00:54 |
| de-facto | we really should support them, its only a few thousand cases or such, it MAY be contained still | 00:55 |
| de-facto | discriminating SA would be a HUGE mistake, we should support them in every way possible | 00:56 |
| de-facto | the earlier we intervene the higher the chance of success | 00:56 |
| de-facto | once this is blooming in clusters in communities all around the world it will be near to impossible to contain this | 00:57 |
| de-facto | right now they seem to have more supply than demand for vaccination in SA | 00:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Moderna´s response to omicron (B.1.1.529).businesswire.com/news/home/2021… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1464381776810463233 | 00:59 |
| de-facto | .title https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-strategy-address-omicron-b11529-sars-cov-2 | 01:03 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From investors.modernatx.com: Moderna Announces Strategy to Address Omicron (B.1.1.529) SARS-CoV-2 Variant | Moderna, Inc. | 01:03 |
| de-facto | "Moderna has already tested a higher dose booster of mRNA-1273 (100 µg) in healthy adults. Moderna has completed dosing of 306 participants in a safety and immunogenicity study of this high dose (100 µg) booster. The 100 µg dose of mRNA-1273 has also recently been studied by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in the U.S. and has generally resulted in the highest neutralizing titers against prior SARS-CoV-2 strains. Moderna is working | 01:05 |
| de-facto | to rapidly test sera from its high dose booster recipients in neutralizing assays to determine if the 100 µg dose provides superior neutralizing protection against Omicron." | 01:05 |
| de-facto | "Moderna is already studying two multi-valent booster candidates in the clinic that were designed to anticipate mutations such as those that have emerged in the Omicron variant. The first candidate (mRNA-1273.211) includes several mutations present in the Omicron variant that were also present in the Beta variant of concern1. The Company has completed dosing in a potentially pivotal safety and immunogenicity study of mRNA-1273.211 at the 50 µg | 01:05 |
| de-facto | (N=300) and 100 µg (N=584) dose levels." | 01:05 |
| de-facto | "A second multi-valent candidate (mRNA-1273.213) includes many of the mutations present in the Omicron variant that were also present in the Beta and Delta variants2. The Company has completed dosing at the 100 µg (N=584) dose level and also plans to explore the 50 µg dose level in approximately 584 participants. Moderna will rapidly expand testing of sera from completed and ongoing multi-valent booster studies to determine if these multi-valen | 01:06 |
| de-facto | t candidates are able to provide superior neutralizing protection against Omicron." | 01:06 |
| de-facto | "Moderna will rapidly advance an Omicron-specific booster candidate (mRNA-1273.529). This candidate is part of the Company’s strategy to advance variant-specific candidates for a subset of variants of significant concern. During 2021 this has already included Beta- and Delta-specific boosters. The Company has repeatedly demonstrated the ability to advance new candidates to clinical testing in 60-90 days." | 01:06 |
| LjL | are you pasting the entire press release :P | 01:06 |
| de-facto | very nice they are working already on the update mRNA-1273.529 | 01:06 |
| de-facto | i hope they can begin with testing this in a trial soon | 01:07 |
| de-facto | this is how it should be done | 01:07 |
| LjL | you mean... how Pfizer hasn't been doing? | 01:07 |
| de-facto | they have a trial with delta specific s-protein signature running | 01:08 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Moderna Announces Strategy to Address Omicron (B.1.1.529) SARS-CoV-2 Variant | Moderna, Inc. ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/EC54R96V ) | 01:08 | |
| de-facto | LjL, look at this here https://www.krisp.org.za/manuscripts/25Nov2021_B.1.1.529_Media.pdf | 01:10 |
| LjL | nice find de-facto | 01:17 |
| de-facto | Key questions about B.1.1.529 aka Omicron: 1) Does it have increased reproduction in wide community spread? 2) Does it have immune evasive capabilities (e.g. fitness in vaccinated and/or recovered)? 3) Does it lead to increased disease progression or lead to higher (or new) damage or fatality rates? | 01:19 |
| de-facto | LjL, was linked from their overview on https://www.krisp.org.za/ngs-sa/ngs-sa_updates_covid-19_analysis_narratives_reports/ | 01:21 |
| de-facto | also we may look at https://ibz-shiny.ethz.ch/covid-19-re-international/ for "South Africa" how their reproduction numbers develop | 01:22 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: 25Nov2021_B.1.1.529_Media.pdf ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/EHP769QM ) | 01:23 | |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: NGS-SA: Network for Genomic Surveillance South Africa ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/2EZPQR7W ) | 01:23 | |
| de-facto | they got a really cool map at https://ibz-shiny.ethz.ch/covid-19-re-international/ | 01:23 |
| LjL | nice site | 01:26 |
| de-facto | report about the outbreak from https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z-index/disease-index-covid-19/surveillance-reports/weekly-testing-summary/ at https://www.nicd.ac.za/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/COVID-19-Testing-Summary-Week-46-2021.pdf | 01:27 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: ETH-Zurich's COVID-19 Re ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/GQ74XRT8 ) | 01:28 | |
| de-facto | also on https://www.sacmcepidemicexplorer.co.za/ they provide https://masha-app.shinyapps.io/SACMCEpidemicExplorerPublic/_w_4f9a5e3f/session/a7e318a3df5856e79fd4e6646fedac08/download/report?w=4f9a5e3f | 01:29 |
| LjL | de-facto, that looks truncated | 01:45 |
| LjL | but i guess it's the latest report | 01:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): The evolution of Omicron is so vast I posit the chronically infected individual who spawned it is still infectedSARS Cov 2 has found a compatible host → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1464393225872068613 | 01:47 |
| LjL | still infected, so it can evolve even more? ;( | 01:47 |
| de-facto | LjL, oh yeah they seem to have some download ticked system in place, probably to prevent deep linking, yeah its the latest report on their main page | 01:49 |
| busf4ct0r | anyone has any "possible good news" about the new variant? I'm tired of this shit, feels like it's neverending and would like some hypothetical good news | 01:59 |
| minthos | the closest I've got is we don't know how lethal it is | 02:00 |
| de-facto | its summer time in SA, so maybe they can contain it more easily compared to if they had winter time | 02:00 |
| de-facto | also case numbers are pretty low compared to other scenarios, so maybe its not at bad as we think it is (though i am unsure about that one) | 02:01 |
| de-facto | good news is that we know about this so early, so we may have a chance to contain it with combining efforts | 02:02 |
| minthos | is it early though? it seems it's had time to spread a fair bit already | 02:03 |
| minthos | I guess it could be worse | 02:03 |
| de-facto | well yeah but if they had not discovered it (and reported it bravely) it could just spread incognito and only be detected once it reached other labs worldwide | 02:04 |
| de-facto | its bad news for their local population because many depend on tourism with their income | 02:04 |
| LjL | busf4ct0r, the good news will be then people will positively ask, no demand, their governments to be proactive, instead of just lazily reacting when it's too late | 02:05 |
| busf4ct0r | I think I'm mostly worried at news that report places with high vaccination rates like Israel having more and more cases, I don't undestand that and I'm scared at things I don't understand, I'm fully vaccinated with AZ since there was no way of getting the Pfizer vaccine for my age group over here... (even though I'm a contractor for Pfizer, lol) | 02:05 |
| LjL | until then, we'll just get deeper into this shit | 02:05 |
| busf4ct0r | if the good news is trusting people will do the right thing then we'll have to wait until this gets significantly worse :( | 02:05 |
| LjL | yes, maybe when it significantly gets worse people will get scared enough | 02:06 |
| LjL | and it almost certainly will, so, is that good news? you decide | 02:06 |
| LjL | busf4ct0r, when you get a booster at least it will probably be with Pfizer or Moderna and not AZ | 02:06 |
| LjL | i don't know about Israel, i've heard that too, but i'm afraid i haven't tried to figure out anything about it | 02:07 |
| de-facto | i think places with high vaccination rate having also increasing cases means that fully vaccinated people are less careful about their contact rates and protection, hence they get a small initial infection in their upper respiratory airways that makes them able to transmit it, but it would not progress to their lower respiratory airways (otherwise they would end up in hospital) | 02:07 |
| LjL | others here too may have been focusing on Omicron | 02:07 |
| minthos | busf4ct0r: there are two explanations for that, one is the vaccines only give a fairly small protection agaist infection (the main benefit is reducing severity) and the second is that the virus mutates and the more it mutates the less effective the previous vaccines will be (probably, it's a bit random) | 02:07 |
| LjL | de-facto, but consider Israel has "virtually mandatory" 3rd doses for everyone. if a 3rd dose really gives you 95% immunity again, why would they have rising cases? | 02:08 |
| de-facto | that said, of course this vaccine protection against severe progression also wanes away (fades exponentially) hence the necessity for boosting it up again | 02:08 |
| LjL | %cases israel | 02:08 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Israel has had 1.3 million confirmed cases (14.6% of all people) and 8182 deaths (0.6% of cases) as of 9 hours ago. 20.9 million tests were done (6.4% positive). 6.3 million were vaccinated (68.6%). +236 cases since 20 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Israel&legacy=no | 02:08 |
| LjL | welp, for a country with "virtually mandatory" boosters, they sure have a low vaccination rate... | 02:09 |
| LjL | but also, uh | 02:09 |
| LjL | their cases are not rising? i thought i had also heard about their cases being on the rise, but offloop does not reflect that | 02:09 |
| de-facto | minthos, yes both make sense and probably both happen in reality so what we see is a combination of those two effects | 02:09 |
| LjL | are the data bad? | 02:10 |
| LjL | it even shows zero cases for a few days | 02:10 |
| de-facto | well Israel stoppend their third wave with boosting probably https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/ | 02:11 |
| LjL | yes de-facto but apparently busf4ct0r had heard (and i also had heard) that, lately, Israel had a case rise again, and that would be concerning right after a third dose | 02:11 |
| LjL | except i don't see that case rise now when i look | 02:12 |
| LjL | so, since i had also heard about that, i'm wondering whether we both heard bollocks, or the data are wrong | 02:12 |
| minthos | all data is bad, some more than others | 02:12 |
| LjL | because https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel also shows very few cases, but it also looks like there are artifacts in the recent data | 02:12 |
| LjL | minthos, you know what i mean | 02:12 |
| LjL | i mean is the data *incorrect* | 02:12 |
| de-facto | directly after vaccination there also is an increased protection against infection of the upper respiratory airways (hence the effect on epidemiological parameters such as reproduction) but that wanes faster than protection against severe progression or death | 02:12 |
| minthos | LjL: that's what I mean | 02:13 |
| minthos | all data is incorrect | 02:13 |
| LjL | okay | 02:13 |
| busf4ct0r | news being scary just to get clicks and views would make me relax a bit, that I understand, they seeing a small increase of cases and reporting it as something out of proportion | 02:13 |
| LjL | you still know what i mean | 02:13 |
| LjL | busf4ct0r, but i'm not seeing even a small increase really | 02:13 |
| LjL | these data looks strange | 02:13 |
| de-facto | btw israel still got a large amount of non-vaccinated just like other western countries | 02:14 |
| minthos | you're asking how bad is it, no I don't know that specifically for israel but the general situation is that we have very sparse data about cases and that's true everywhere, the data is always delayed and incomplete | 02:14 |
| de-facto | their boosting the already vaccinated probably brought down their reproduction number Rt enough (in addition with the containment measures in place) that the outbreak declined (Rt < 1) | 02:14 |
| LjL | minthos, i think i'm quite specifically on about a quite specific thing | 02:15 |
| LjL | are the cases known to be rising in Israel, but somehow my data sources are not showing that due to some flaw | 02:15 |
| LjL | or are my data sources right, and the cases haven't been rising | 02:15 |
| LjL | and by "cases" i mean whatever the government means as cases | 02:15 |
| LjL | but also i think i'm out of here for the night | 02:15 |
| LjL | %title https://www.who.int/news/item/26-11-2021-classification-of-omicron-(b.1.1.529)-sars-cov-2-variant-of-concern | 02:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.who.int: Classification of Omicron (B.1.1.529): SARS-CoV-2 Variant of Concern | 02:16 |
| minthos | LjL: offloop shows 0 recovered and 0 tests after october so yes obviously something is up with that | 02:18 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Classification of Omicron (B.1.1.529): SARS-CoV-2 Variant of Concern ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/ZKQAI9ZH ) | 02:18 | |
| LjL | but look at the OWID link too | 02:18 |
| LjL | it has jumps | 02:18 |
| minthos | that's usually artifacts of testing and reporting | 02:20 |
| LjL | https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=israel+covid+data also shows me an odd jump, but also no increase in cases | 02:20 |
| LjL | but that's not surprising since their source *is* OWID as well as JHU | 02:21 |
| LjL | and i don't know what https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general is asking me but presumably i accept... | 02:21 |
| busf4ct0r | does this data seem real to you? I've always had a feeling they're extremely under reporting the cases https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Yucatan&legacy=no | 02:23 |
| de-facto | reporting cases relies on positive tests relies on taking samples | 02:25 |
| de-facto | how well the reported cases represent actual infection dynamics depend on the whole testing strategy (and reporting delay etc) | 02:25 |
| de-facto | hence i think it would be a good idea to take a small percentage of testing capacity for randomly sampling a representative selection out of a population in order to test them (without any further indication to do so) just to get a more clear picture about current infection dynamics | 02:28 |
| de-facto | as far as i know UK does have such a program in place | 02:28 |
| de-facto | but most other countries dont have that | 02:28 |
| de-facto | one possible good news about the Omicron variant COULD be if it would combine super high contagion rates with super low disease severity (but we dont know about either), because then it would be like a self replicating vaccine | 02:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD 🧬 (@michaelzlin): Dr. William Haseltine made the same points earlier than me. See below.I'll just add we now *know* molnupiravir doesn't always kill off SARSCoV2 in people. Heck we know it only prevents hospitalization 30% of the time! Viral mutation is a real [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1464408886887292929 | 02:43 |
| de-facto | though unfortunately i think this would be unlikely, yet we do not know the severity level yet | 02:43 |
| de-facto | hence the question about its pathogenicity and reproduction levels | 02:45 |
| minthos | that would be awesome | 02:45 |
| minthos | omicron the friendly virus keeping us safe from its evil siblings | 02:45 |
| de-facto | it could have all sorts of new properties with that many mutations | 02:46 |
| de-facto | so indeed it would be extremely interesting to get data about its comparative pathogenicity (relative to Delta) | 02:47 |
| de-facto | 32 mutations on the spike protein of which 10 are located in the receptor binding domain must mean something | 02:52 |
| de-facto | not even to begin to speak of the rest of the genome | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The mutation map of the 5 Variants of Concernadapted from covariants.org/shared-mutatio…Omicron (B.1.1.529) shares many key mutations of Alpha, Beta, Gamma & Delta, but a lot more added, very likely having been derived from an immunocompromised host with [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1464410605402480641 | 02:53 |
| de-facto | what wast he location of the super antigen? | 02:55 |
| de-facto | betelgeuse, you are dropping in and out a lot | 02:58 |
| de-facto | was the superantigen P(681)RRA(684) on the spike? | 02:58 |
| de-facto | hmmmm | 02:59 |
| de-facto | there are several of those | 03:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Kids And Superspreaders Are Driving COVID-19 Cases In India, Huge Study Finds : The attack rate — or the risk of transmission from a primary case to someone else — was 80% for passengers sitting next to an infected person on a bus or [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/r32oxd/kids_and_superspreaders_are_driving_covid19_cases/ | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD 🧬 (@michaelzlin): And finally, we don't need molnupiravir anyway. It works far worse (~30% vs hospitalization) than drugs that don't cause viral mutagenesis, such as monoclonal antibodies (>70%) or protease inhibitors (89%). → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1464424331765850120 | 03:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Novavax developing vaccine that targets new Covid-19 variant → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/novavax-developing-vaccine-that-targets-new-covid-19-variant-7643849/ | 04:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +49829 cases (now 10.1 million) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +71 cases (now 2.6 million) since 10 hours ago | 04:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: New variant classed 'of concern' and named Omicron → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r3451i/covid_new_variant_classed_of_concern_and_named/ | 04:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Mazen🍕🏌️♂️🤷♂️⛳️ (@JustAMazen): @ScottGottliebMD @dr_kkjetelina “None of this variant stuff changes what you need to do on an individual-level now. Unless, of course, if you weren’t doing anything at all. Get vaccinated. Get boosted. Ventilate spaces. Use [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/JustAMazen/status/1464448386531213315 | 05:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +65580 cases (now 5.7 million) since 19 hours ago — Belgium: +21772 cases (now 1.7 million), +47 deaths (now 26840), +144555 tests (now 24.3 million) since a day ago | 05:46 |
| de-facto | flight passengers from SA to Germany will "have to self-isolate" | 05:47 |
| de-facto | so they are asked kindly to "please stay at home" | 05:47 |
| de-facto | OMG are humans able to learn from mistakes or NOT? | 05:47 |
| de-facto | its just like a deja-vu from two years ago | 05:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Merck’s Covid-19 pill significantly less effective in new analysis → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/mercks-covid-19-pill-significantly-less-effective-in-new-analysis-7643921/ | 05:52 |
| MeretheSoltvedt | Omicron | 06:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 834: COVID-19 clinical update #90 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #90, Dr. Griffin covers FDA expansion for booster doses, 3 more at home antigen tests approved by FDA, immune correlates analysis of mRNA-1273 vaccine, risk for stillbirth, PROVENT prophylaxis trial results, [... want %more?] → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-834/ | 06:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +8318 cases (now 34.6 million), +465 deaths (now 467933), +1141880 tests (now 638.2 million) since a day ago | 06:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Los Lagos, Chile: +320 cases (now 93586), +1 deaths (now 1430) since a day ago — Lombardy, Italy: +2209 cases (now 925051), +7 deaths (now 34330) since a day ago | 06:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Official: WTO delays key meeting amid Covid variant concerns → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/official-wto-delays-key-meeting-amid-covid-variant-concerns-7644026/ | 06:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna expect data on shot’s protection against new COVID-19 variant soon → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/pfizer-biontech-moderna-vaccine-new-omicron-variant-7644041/ | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New COVID variant Omicron triggers global alarm, market sell-off → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r36vha/new_covid_variant_omicron_triggers_global_alarm/ | 07:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +49692 cases (now 10.1 million) since 15 hours ago | 07:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Egypt reopens 3,000-year-old Avenue of Sphinxes → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r37iyk/egypt_reopens_3000yearold_avenue_of_sphinxes/ | 07:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canada clamps down on Omicron COVID-19 variant. Experts say it’s likely ‘already here’ → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r37lvo/canada_clamps_down_on_omicron_covid19_variant/ | 08:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: How misinformation has increased the woes of the elderly, especially in the pandemic → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/misinformation-elderly-especially-pandemic-technology-health-crisis-digital-information-younger-population-7644096/ | 08:13 |
| joerg | » hence i think it would be a good idea to take a small percentage of testing capacity for randomly sampling a representative selection « except Israel has an exceptionally comprehensive database covering all their residents: the health insurance data which is a very special thing in Israel | 08:26 |
| joerg | recommended: <Brainstorm> New from The India... https://indianexpress.com/article/world/pfizer-biontech-moderna-vaccine-new-omicron-variant-7644041/ | 08:30 |
| joerg | 100 days | 08:30 |
| joerg | then, quite obviously and like always in medicine, nothing is black or white, immunization will still have some effect on Omicron. The question is how much. I bet on 50%<efficiency<90% | 08:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: 61 travellers from South Africa in Netherlands positive for Covid-19, say authorities → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/covid19-variant-south-africa-netherlands-amsterdam-7644180/ | 09:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | November 27, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/r38r5a/daily_discussion_thread_november_27_2021/ | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Markets tumble as new covid variant Omicron brings travel restrictions, triggers global alarm → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/markets-tumble-as-new-covid-variant-omicron-brings-travel-restrictions-triggers-global-alarm-7644185/ | 09:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lakshadweep, India: +11 cases (now 10394) since 2 days ago | 09:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Chinese Spam Network Aims to Discredit U.S. COVID Vaccine and Response, Report Finds → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r391z5/chinese_spam_network_aims_to_discredit_us_covid/ | 09:38 |
| joerg | hmmmm https://mobile.twitter.com/davidwdowdy/status/1464409374726701059 » Is it possible that omicron is the next big thing? Yes. But is it probably far more likely that it's not? Also yes. In this situation - where data are early & societal implications are large - scientists have a duty not to oversell. And we are doing exactly that. Shame on us. « sure has a point there | 09:48 |
| minthos | I don't feel it's being oversold | 09:58 |
| minthos | it could be extremely infectious and we don't know much about it so we should be on guard | 09:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Hong Kong confirms two cases of virulent new COVID-19 variant, one of which travelled from Canada → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r39kqm/hong_kong_confirms_two_cases_of_virulent_new/ | 10:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Andrew L. Croxford (@andrew_croxford): Was yesterday the craziest day yet in COVID world? What about the new variant of concern (VOC), omicron (B.1.1.529), in regard to the current vaccine protection and where this may or may not go? 🧵 → https://twitter.com/andrew_croxford/status/1464521932251058181 | 10:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +32 cases (now 7.7 million) since 12 hours ago — Germany: +64754 cases (now 5.7 million) since 20 hours ago | 10:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Merck's COVID-19 pill significantly less effective in new analysis - Merck & Co (MRK.N) said on Friday updated data from its study of its experimental COVID-19 pill showed the drug was significantly less effective in cutting hospitalizations [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r39y6d/mercks_covid19_pill_significantly_less_effective/ | 10:44 |
| joerg | molnupilamivir a bummer? Who might have guessed. The operation principles were highly questionable in my book anyway | 10:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 61 arrivals from South Africa test positive for COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r3amkn/61_arrivals_from_south_africa_test_positive_for/ | 11:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +197 cases (now 820724), +3 deaths (now 11521), +4907 tests (now 4.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 12:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk): NEW: Czech Republic reports first suspected case of new coronavirus variant in returnee from Egypt bnonews.com/index.php/2021… → https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1464548393590603781 | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Travel doors slam shut as new Covid variant triggers alarm, stranding hundreds of passengers → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r3bamw/travel_doors_slam_shut_as_new_covid_variant/ | 12:18 |
| joerg | Essen Minister Klose: >>omicron most likely already in Germany, traveler from SA found highly probably to carry it<< [TV Tagesschau] | 12:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Florian Krammer (@florian_krammer): 5) Adapted vaccines need to be tested (this has started already) etc. Also, we should not forget that non-neutralizing antibody epitopes and T-cell epitopes are likely largely intact. And even if a variant vaccine becomes necessary, we would not [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/1464555332416548867 | 12:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +49831 cases (now 10.1 million) since 20 hours ago | 12:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | omicron is already spread in all countries | 12:46 |
| sdfgsdfg | australia just found out that it also has it | 12:47 |
| sdfgsdfg | if we have it, I bet my ass it's already in U.S | 12:52 |
| sdfgsdfg | and if it's in U.S, we can all bet our asses it's here for christmas :P | 12:53 |
| sdfgsdfg | it's so exciting | 12:54 |
| sdfgsdfg | saw this news about omicron being 5 times more transmissive ? | 12:54 |
| sdfgsdfg | that's how it looked in that initial chart from SA | 12:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Imperial College (@imperialcollege): What is the new #Omicron variant, how is it different, and how concerned should we be? Our researchers discuss the new #COVID19 variant 👇🏾 ow.ly/70Oh50GXysq → https://twitter.com/imperialcollege/status/1464561447229435904 | 12:56 |
| sdfgsdfg | wow, think of 5 times more transmissive than DELTA that's almost funny | 12:57 |
| minthos | it's not confirmed how quickly it spreads but yes potentially very infectious | 12:59 |
| sdfgsdfg | it partially is | 13:03 |
| sdfgsdfg | There is still vast uncertainty about the transmissibility with respect to the Delta variant, with a possible 100% increase (2x)[19][20] to 500% increase (6x) | 13:04 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://www.newsweek.com/new-covid-variant-possibly-500-percent-more-infectious-delta-1653596 | 13:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 26 novembre 2021: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19 nella RegioneFriuli-Venezia Giulia. (21A07066) → http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2021/11/27/21A07066/SG | 13:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): Hey guys. A lot of T cell hopium being irresponsibly passed aroundI'm not cosigning that. If a mild case of Covid is giving lung diffusion issues, and given there is no published t cell correlate of protection, I think it's [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1464574729596067841 | 13:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Top UK scientist says new COVID-19 variant Omicron ‘not a disaster’, vaccination likely to protect → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/top-uk-scientist-says-new-covid-19-variant-omicron-not-a-disaster-vaccination-likely-to-protect-7644687/ | 13:53 |
| joerg | 50%<effdiciency<90%, no? | 14:01 |
| joerg | define: protect | 14:01 |
| joerg | define: disaster | 14:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +155 cases (now 1.6 million), +2 deaths (now 27975), +13462 tests (now 10.8 million) since 22 hours ago | 14:10 |
| joerg | you'd think, when your ICUs are already at limit, you're almost out of applicable NPI measures not applied yet, and you maybe were lucky to stomp down your R_t to, say, 0.9, then a 50% more transmissive that kicks your R_t to 1.4 is exactly what spells disaster | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Dozens test positive on SA-Netherlands flights → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r3d87q/covid_dozens_test_positive_on_sanetherlands/ | 14:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD 🧬 (@michaelzlin): I'd just like my children to grow up in a world where we use vaccines and medicines effectively, and where they don't have to worry about the possibility of hypermutated viruses generated from the irresponsible use of mutagenizing drugs. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1464587844995985429 | 14:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +66259 cases (now 5.7 million) since 22 hours ago | 14:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): This is my opinion on classrooms given the coming Omicron surge for which there are new vaccines in the pipeline pic.twitter.com/gkaQoZcSfT → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1464594247240331272 | 15:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Two cases of new variant of Covid-19 detected in UK: Two people in the UK have been found to be infected with the new Covid variant, Omicron, the health secretary says. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59445388 | 15:18 |
| lastshell | US will ban travel next monday: South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique and Malawi. https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/26/politics/travel-restrictions-south-africa/index.html | 15:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Omicron Covid variant: Suspected cases found in Germany and Czech Republic—Key developments → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/new-covid-variant-omicron-key-developments-7644592/ | 15:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +49864 cases (now 10.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): You cannot wait for a peer reviewed piece of data to come out or preprint to recommend masksI gave the most recent piece of information possible. 65% hospitalized are unvaccinatedYou are using lack of precise data to FUD, whereas I [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1464605496552349698 | 15:47 |
| de-facto | .title v | 15:52 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, the command line provided is invalid | 15:52 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59445388 | 15:52 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59445388 | 15:52 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.bbc.com: Two cases of new variant of Covid detected in UK - BBC News | 15:52 |
| de-facto | "wo people in the UK have been found to be infected with the new Covid variant, Omicron, the health secretary has said." | 15:53 |
| de-facto | "Sajid Javid said the UK Health Security Agency had detected cases in Chelmsford, Essex, and in Nottingham." | 15:53 |
| de-facto | "He said the cases were linked and the two people were self-isolating alongside their households while more tests and contact tracing take place." | 15:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): This is the problem. While we are dealing with anti-vaxxers and discussing boosers: many have no access to vaccines they desperately want and need! COVID-19 is not over as long as new variants can develop unopposed. Vaccinating the world is critical!twitter.com/MoetiTshidi/st… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1464606254958010373 | 15:56 |
| Arsanerit | self-isolating is not nearly enough | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: At least 2 people in the U.K. have the omicron variant, health secretary says: The cases involve travel to southern Africa, where the latest COVID variant of concern was first identified, the British health secretary said. No cases have been [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/11/27/1059501446/covid-coronavirus-omicron-variant | 16:06 |
| de-facto | intercontinental tourists should not be allowed any contact to destination population (not even indirectly), they must be escorted immediately into offsite quarantine facilities and monitored for infections (as it already is established routine for importing animals, why would the same reasoning not exactly also apply to humans) | 16:07 |
| Arsanerit | escorted by who? | 16:07 |
| de-facto | military for example | 16:07 |
| Arsanerit | but military are also destination population? | 16:08 |
| de-facto | yeah but they may have biowarfare equipment | 16:08 |
| Arsanerit | africa, asia, and europe share land borders | 16:09 |
| de-facto | then those should be closed too | 16:09 |
| Arsanerit | sooner or later it'd spread egypt - israel - lebanon - syria - turkey - EU | 16:09 |
| de-facto | yet as observed now, the main travel routes are via airplanes | 16:09 |
| Arsanerit | you can close land borders but you can't close them hermetically (nor sea borders, see boat refugees) | 16:10 |
| Arsanerit | your proposal would slow down the spread of the virus | 16:10 |
| de-facto | yes hence we may prepare for impact | 16:10 |
| Arsanerit | but if I understand correctly you want to implement this at all times independent of pandemic | 16:11 |
| Arsanerit | how long sohuld the quarantine be for? | 16:11 |
| de-facto | as its done right now, kindly asking tourists to please be friendly enough to self-isolate in their own households (sic!!!) its going to be imported in a matter of days | 16:11 |
| de-facto | at least 2 weeks | 16:12 |
| de-facto | intercontinental tourism is simply completely insane, it must stop and be banned forever | 16:12 |
| Arsanerit | I agree that self-isolating is a joke | 16:12 |
| minthos | move to madagascar, lobby the government to close the ports :p | 16:12 |
| spybert | de-facto: It kind of looks that way :-( | 16:13 |
| Arsanerit | but I don't think society will accept to stop all intercontinental tourism to stop completely forever | 16:13 |
| de-facto | well then this will continue forever, more severe and evasive mutants spreading over the globe again and again | 16:14 |
| Arsanerit | I seem to recall Japan was quite strict on quarantine for journalists and sportspeople attending the Olympic Games | 16:14 |
| spybert | I wonder how well South Africa has been keeping track of COVID cases and deaths? | 16:16 |
| de-facto | if a single latent infection anywhere on the globe can reset the pandemic annually we have ensured any vaccination program simply can not possibly outcompete the super rapid mutant spread by low latency intercontinental tourism | 16:16 |
| de-facto | its sad for SA because they do depend economically on tourism, yet were brave enough to report this scary mutant early | 16:17 |
| minthos | we will get better at dealing with it, it just takes a while | 16:17 |
| de-facto | they should get financial support from the international community for doing us this huge favor of reporting this early | 16:17 |
| Arsanerit | spybert: probably better than Malawi or Congo. | 16:18 |
| de-facto | yet it FUCKING seems that governments are wasting the time advantage they received as gift AGAIN by not isolating imports properly | 16:18 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: why would you expect them to act any differently now than they did with delta or alpha? | 16:18 |
| de-facto | WHO AGAIN advises against travel bans etc | 16:18 |
| de-facto | i am so fucking mad, why cant humans observe and learn from their mistakes?! | 16:19 |
| spybert | de-facto: If I believe their numbers, SA has one third of the cases the US has, percentage wise. | 16:19 |
| Arsanerit | We've seen this before. Only difference is that now many people in wealthy countries are vaccinated, which makes them less likely to be get seriously ill, and that the pandemic has been going on for a while. Probably there is less, not more, public support for severe travel restrictions. | 16:19 |
| de-facto | vaccinated with the s-protein Wuhan-Hu-1 that was seen almost 2 years ago | 16:20 |
| Arsanerit | Yes, it's not good enough. | 16:20 |
| Arsanerit | But hopefully even with omicron it's still better than nothing. | 16:20 |
| de-facto | Omicron got 30+ mutations on that s-protein, 10 of which are in the receptor binding domain alone | 16:20 |
| de-facto | we simply do not know that yet | 16:21 |
| Arsanerit | Indeed we don't. | 16:21 |
| Arsanerit | But it probably contributes to the probable decrease in support for the type of measures you propose. | 16:21 |
| de-facto | all we know is that this potentially may be very bad, and we should avoid importing and spreading this at any price | 16:21 |
| de-facto | yet mistakes are repeated over and over again | 16:22 |
| Arsanerit | Yes, they are. | 16:22 |
| Arsanerit | Which makes it entirely unsurprising. | 16:22 |
| lastshell | no US cases, but NY https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-gov-kathy-hochul-state-of-emergency-omicron-variant.amp | 16:22 |
| Arsanerit | When it happened with delta I was still annoyed, but with omicron now I expect nothing else than more of the same. | 16:22 |
| lastshell | we are starting to freaking out\ | 16:23 |
| Arsanerit | Modern human civilisation is not capable of dealing with a pandemic of this type. | 16:23 |
| lastshell | we are in diappers pandemic response | 16:23 |
| de-facto | it may be the first VoC that really could be a lot nastier, we simply dont know, but at least some of these mutations most likely will mean some significant change in properties | 16:23 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, the sad thing is technically we are more than capable of dealing with such a pathogen, yet human mindset simply is WAY behind technological development | 16:24 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: Technically, yes. Technically we are also easily capable of preventing anthropogenic climate change, biodiversity loss, or other environmental catastrophes. | 16:25 |
| Arsanerit | But politically and sociologically we are not capable. | 16:26 |
| de-facto | exactly that | 16:26 |
| de-facto | sad but true | 16:26 |
| Arsanerit | A global hard lockdown of four weeks might kill off the virus forever. This will not happen. | 16:26 |
| lastshell | I wish all goverments will do that ^ | 16:27 |
| Arsanerit | They won't, and even if they tried, many wouldn't be able to enforce it. | 16:27 |
| Arsanerit | Possibly people in rural Malawi who are struggling to find food, or people in rural Central African Republic hoping to survive the civil war, may not even have heard of the coronavirus. | 16:28 |
| Dredd | Omicron is in the UK now ☹️ | 16:28 |
| Arsanerit | We are also technically entirely capable of not waging war. | 16:28 |
| Arsanerit | War is a lose-lose situation, but humans keep doing it. | 16:28 |
| Arsanerit | So indeed, that humanity is incapable of collectively taking the optimal decision for all is sad, but it's not news. | 16:29 |
| de-facto | Dredd, but they were kindly asked to please be friendly enough to self-isolate inside their households | 16:29 |
| de-facto | we know that this works well, dont we? | 16:29 |
| lastshell | Dredd that is pretty bad, winter will be ard | 16:29 |
| lastshell | *hard | 16:29 |
| Arsanerit | Omicron is probably all over Europe already, given the level of mobility and the latency before such variants are proven. | 16:29 |
| minthos | covid's coming home for christmas | 16:30 |
| Arsanerit | minthos: where is home? | 16:30 |
| minthos | everywhere | 16:30 |
| lastshell | not fair | 16:31 |
| lastshell | I have family comming from xmas | 16:31 |
| lastshell | Im vaxxed and booster do I need to ventilated the house and wear mask ? | 16:32 |
| de-facto | yes | 16:33 |
| de-facto | Looking at Beta CoV-VoC for comparing travel preferences https://cov-lineages.org/global_report_B.1.351.html | 16:33 |
| de-facto | "The number of ticketed origin-to-destination journeys from South African airports to destinations outside of South Africa during October 2020." | 16:33 |
| de-facto | Traveling from SA to destination in descending order: Ethiopia, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, Zimbabwe, Zambia, USA, Kenya, Germany Mozambique, China, Netherlands, Philippines, France, Turkey, Qatar, Pakistan, Tanzania, Canada, Belgium, Egypt, Namibia, Israel, Botswana, Malawi, Switzerland, Italy, India, Portugal, Ireland, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia | 16:33 |
| de-facto | lastshell, organize tests for everyone, test everyday during the meeting | 16:34 |
| lastshell | what | 16:34 |
| de-facto | thats how i do it when i visit my parents | 16:34 |
| lastshell | even vaxxinated ? | 16:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Fears of Omicron loom in Karnataka, India after two South Africans test positive for COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r3fmnt/fears_of_omicron_loom_in_karnataka_india_after/ | 16:35 |
| de-facto | yes of course, vaccination does lower the risk but not prevent infection or transmission | 16:35 |
| lastshell | damn is insane this times | 16:35 |
| lastshell | I have air purifiers as well | 16:35 |
| de-facto | only during peak of immunity it will significantly lower the risk of upper respiratory tract infections (hence also spreading) | 16:36 |
| de-facto | thats good, just dont drop care because of vaccination | 16:36 |
| de-facto | think about vaccination as a very effective measure to prevent severe progressions | 16:36 |
| lastshell | de-facto we have family with AZ vaxxed that is ok ? | 16:37 |
| lastshell | others Pfizer | 16:37 |
| de-facto | at least for the currently circulating variants, with Omicron we probably will see soon how it will behave | 16:37 |
| Dredd | I'm really going Omicron doesn't turn out to be more servere but just more contagious | 16:37 |
| de-facto | it depends how long ago, it better than nothing but if its long time ago there may be no good protection anymore from it | 16:38 |
| Dredd | de-facto @de-facto:libera.chat: should get good days from the UK soon once we let our dominate | 16:38 |
| Dredd | Give us a week or two | 16:38 |
| Dredd | s/days/data/ | 16:38 |
| Dredd | s/days/data/, s/our/it/ | 16:39 |
| de-facto | why do we have to repeat it again and again, its so fucking stupid | 16:40 |
| lastshell | How many cases are right now detect for omicron Dredd ? | 16:40 |
| de-facto | two | 16:40 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59445388 | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.bbc.com: Two cases of new variant of Covid detected in UK - BBC News | 16:40 |
| de-facto | if we are lucky and they switch to proper isolating them in quarantine it may only be those imported ones | 16:42 |
| de-facto | but if they do not isolate them properly (they most likely are not) then it soon may transition to community spread | 16:42 |
| de-facto | that is a big middle finger to the opportunity given to authorities by being informed so early about this VoC by the brave experts of SA that reported this despite it meaning harm to their tourism based economy | 16:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): An accelerated path to an Omicron specific vaccine in less than 3 months ft.com/content/a7aa4b… by @hannahkuchler pic.twitter.com/NPP5jEkkWb → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1464620381600247815 | 16:44 |
| de-facto | a whole country suffering severe economic impact and its asking too much that those damn tourists are escorted into proper off-site quarantine? | 16:44 |
| de-facto | why are are tourists more important than having schools open, having stores open and having hospital capacity available for everyone that needs this? | 16:45 |
| de-facto | this absolutely makes no sense to me at all | 16:46 |
| minthos | misaligned incentives among those who make decisions | 16:46 |
| de-facto | lets keep our tourists entertained properly, shall we? this is number one national priority, we go over dead bodies to ensure the tourists are happy | 16:47 |
| lastshell | de-facto humans are stupid, I'm seriously think animals are more sutable to survive pandemic than humans | 16:47 |
| de-facto | this is completely insane | 16:47 |
| * de-facto needs to go for a walk in the cold to calm down | 16:48 | |
| Arsanerit | german schools have been trying to buy air filters for some years now, but german (and EU) bureaucracy doesn't cope | 16:48 |
| Arsanerit | if they buy many at once then they must write a EU-wide invitation to tender, which has to be open for a certain amount of time | 16:49 |
| Arsanerit | in my Landkreis they then found a mistake in their ITT so they had to do it all over again | 16:49 |
| rpifan | did yall hear | 16:50 |
| rpifan | omicron is now i the uk | 16:50 |
| rpifan | im sure its now in germany | 16:50 |
| Arsanerit | it's already reported in Germany (Hessen) | 16:50 |
| lastshell | it has to be rpifn sadly | 16:50 |
| minthos | and netherlands, and belgium | 16:50 |
| Arsanerit | someone who flew from South Africa | 16:51 |
| Arsanerit | they flew in one week ago | 16:51 |
| Arsanerit | which shows that all those quarantine measurements may be too late anyway | 16:51 |
| de-facto | keep in mind that there is a huge difference between cases that are linked to traveling (they COULD be isolated) and community transmission (where the source of infection is unknown, hence can not be isolated) | 16:51 |
| Arsanerit | there is no political or societal support for a zero covid strategy | 16:53 |
| rpifan | oh really in hessen? | 16:53 |
| rpifan | i mean honestly the fact that we havent lockdowned yet is really annoying | 16:53 |
| minthos | those 60+ on the plane have almost certainly infected at least one of the hundreds who shared planes with them | 16:53 |
| rpifan | yeaa | 16:53 |
| rpifan | also the trains | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Coronavirus in Russia: The Latest News | Nov. 27 | 27NOV21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/r3g706/coronavirus_in_russia_the_latest_news_nov_27/ | 16:53 |
| rpifan | and airport | 16:53 |
| Arsanerit | rpifan: https://www.hessenschau.de/gesellschaft/ueber-frankfurter-flughafen-eingereist-erster-verdachtsfall-der-corona-mutation-omicron-in-deutschland,omicron-hessen-100.html not fully confirmed yet | 16:54 |
| rpifan | scheisse | 16:55 |
| * Arsanerit lives near Frankfurt Flughafen | 16:55 | |
| Arsanerit | "An Hessen geht kein Weg vorbei" and no virus variant either | 16:56 |
| minthos | I wonder if anyone has compiled a comparison of the positivity rates of passengers arriving from a country by plane with positivity rates in that country | 16:56 |
| minthos | (the source country, that is) | 16:56 |
| Arsanerit | minthos: among the million papers published on the pandemic, it is statistically likely that someone has done so | 16:57 |
| Arsanerit | BioNTech says "an updated vaccine can be shipped in 100 days if necessary", but how can we get faster approval procedures for vaccine updates? | 16:57 |
| rpifan | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52f5VmAadyE | 16:58 |
| rpifan | crazy lol | 16:58 |
| Arsanerit | "the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) reported modeling indicating that strict travel restrictions would delay the variant's impact on European countries by two weeks, possibly allowing countries to prepare for it" | 16:59 |
| Arsanerit | So yes, travel restrictions are suitable, but to think they can stop omicron from entering would probabyl be naive imho. | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): Kids need N95 as well. Updated. pic.twitter.com/AqRpVXKjBW → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1464624417900843016 | 17:03 |
| lastshell | https://scitechdaily.com/virus-mimicking-antibodies-may-explain-long-haul-covid-19-rare-vaccine-side-effects/ | 17:11 |
| lastshell | Virus Mimicking Antibodies May Explain Long Haul COVID-19, Rare Vaccine Side Effects ^ | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Alberto Román 👟👟🥊 (@alberto_roman83): 👇#Omicron #OmicronIsAirborne twitter.com/fitterhappierA… pic.twitter.com/mCKB9qqcQL → https://twitter.com/alberto_roman83/status/1464627325853741064 | 17:12 |
| de-facto | .tr <de Wir werden allen ein Quarantäneangebot gemacht haben. | 17:26 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, German to English: We will have made a quarantine offer to everyone. (MyMemory, Google) | 17:26 |
| de-facto | scnr | 17:26 |
| joerg | all this turmoil about travel by airplane or at all, again :-/ a) Omicron IS ALREADY spread across *all the world*, no way to make any reasonable impact from unrealistic global lockdown b) you wouldn't want to live in a world that resulted from this, or if you actually do, you're already free to move to a remote spot somewhere in Siberia or Canada where next human lives a 200km away. There you may pretend it's 1500 again, no electricity, no medicine, no | 17:28 |
| joerg | technics... | 17:28 |
| de-facto | its not ALREADY spread across the globe, it us currently in the process of doing so, those are travel arrivals that are not properly isolated | 17:29 |
| de-facto | hence RIGHT FUCKING NOW we transition from a condition that potentially could be contained to wide spread community transmission | 17:29 |
| joerg | dream on, this is the tip of the iceberg | 17:29 |
| de-facto | exactly because of that attitude "its too late, we cant do anything, its over out heads, keep tourists happy" we are going to have widespread community transmission of Omicron | 17:30 |
| de-facto | a self fulfilling prophecy | 17:31 |
| de-facto | i hope this will lead to global ban of airtraveling industry and end intercontinental tourism forever | 17:32 |
| joerg | for each detected Omicron case there are 50 or 1000 that went unnoticed during last 2 weeks already, or last 2 months. The detected cases only half of them even came from SA. Others came from Aegypt, Turkey, whatever | 17:32 |
| de-facto | did they? or did they had intermediate stops there? | 17:33 |
| joerg | no | 17:33 |
| joerg | they came from there | 17:33 |
| de-facto | its a difference to say "its in Hongkong" from "a tourist from SA was isolated in HK" | 17:33 |
| joerg | orly? | 17:34 |
| de-facto | depending on quarantine stringency of course | 17:34 |
| de-facto | whatever | 17:34 |
| joerg | I'm out once more. I can't cope with this insanity. Not even the chinese m,anaged to build a wall to keep "those others" out | 17:35 |
| de-facto | why are we evacuating from the epicenter of a mutant AGAIN | 17:35 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/passengers-south-africa-face-wait-covid-19-testing-amsterdam-2021-11-26/ | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.reuters.com: 61 travellers from South Africa in Netherlands positive for COVID-19 -authorities | Reuters | 17:36 |
| de-facto | WHY ON EARTH ARE THOSE LET INTO EUROPE?! | 17:37 |
| joerg | MAYBE BECAUSE YOU CANT ROLL BACK TIME? | 17:37 |
| de-facto | we are importing this right fucking now AFTER the fact that the VoC was identified | 17:38 |
| joerg | sorry... | 17:38 |
| de-facto | evacuating people from the epicenter of an outbreak us an GIGANTIC mistake that is repeated over and over again | 17:41 |
| de-facto | "oh lets quickly bring our people out of there before traveling is banned" | 17:41 |
| de-facto | those need to be isolated into quarantine and THEN tested | 17:41 |
| de-facto | jesus christ. | 17:41 |
| joerg | stop all airplanes, forever! Masks kill children! close all borders, worldwide, now! vaccines contain chips! mankind is doomed, brains stop working. ON BOTH SIDES :-O | 17:43 |
| Arsanerit | Maybe if chips (fries) contained vaccines we can reach 100% vaccination rate. | 17:44 |
| de-facto | if brains kept working we would not import this right now | 17:44 |
| Arsanerit | What % of positive PCR tests are sequenced for variants in the various European countries? And what % of positive PCR tests of people who arrived from abroad? | 17:45 |
| Arsanerit | I've been told from a non-reliable source the answer is 40%/100% in Sweden to those two questions, but I have no idea about others. | 17:45 |
| de-facto | this is what isolation of a potential new pandemic looks like https://www.reuters.com/resizer/o5GQfjQwrhoV-D48ZZjwhISa_J8=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/ZWGK27AUJVKMPMFGVRIXPSV75E.jpg | 17:46 |
| lastshell | well 2022 is going to suck | 17:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: COVID-19 : Measuring viral RNA to predict which patients will die. Researchers were able to determine which biomarkers are predictors of mortality in the 60 days following the onset of symptoms. → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/r3gxa1/covid19_measuring_viral_rna_to_predict_which/ | 17:50 |
| sacredebooks[m] | This book will help the world defeat the corona virus COVID | 17:54 |
| sacredebooks[m] | https://eternalsacredbooks.wordpress.com/2021/11/27/everybody-can-become-world-champion-with-the-ultimate-godlike-of-love-foods-metric-system/ | 17:54 |
| sacredebooks[m] | https://eternalsacredbooks.wordpress.com/everybody-can-become-world-champion-with-the-ultimate-godlike-of-love-foods-metric-system/ | 17:54 |
| Arsanerit | metric system? | 17:55 |
| lastshell | lMAO The minimum requirement need to obtain this ebook is a voluntary donation of 9999 USD or more. | 17:56 |
| de-facto | lmao | 17:56 |
| Arsanerit | voluntary requirement? | 17:56 |
| lastshell | exactly | 17:57 |
| Arsanerit | what's a voluntary requirement? | 17:57 |
| lastshell | is called nonsense | 17:57 |
| Arsanerit | maybe this film from 2020 will become true https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12557882/?ref_=fn_al_tt_4 | 17:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid vaccine effective against new Omicron variant: South Africa's health minister → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r3hflx/covid_vaccine_effective_against_new_omicron/ | 18:09 |
| Jigsy | >Only the Fully Vaccinated should fear the New “Worst Ever” Covid-19 Variant; data shows they already account for 4 in every 5 Covid Deaths | 18:20 |
| Jigsy | I have no idea what's going on anymore. | 18:20 |
| lastshell | Jigsy ?\ | 18:21 |
| LjL | Jigsy, uh, the "new variant" is only prevalent in South Africa for now... is this 4-out-of-5 claim about South Africa? | 18:23 |
| LjL | i'd be surprised if there *were* many deaths from it (at least recognized ones) in the first place since they only started scrambling about a new variant 5 days ago | 18:24 |
| Jigsy | This is for the UK, apparently. | 18:27 |
| Jigsy | https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/11/27/only-the-fully-vaccinated-should-fear-the-new-variant/ | 18:27 |
| Jigsy | %title | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: From dailyexpose.uk: Only the Fully Vaccinated should fear the New “Worst Ever” Covid-19 Variant; data shows they already account for 4 in every 5 Covid Deaths – The Expose | 18:27 |
| Jigsy | Actually, I don't know. | 18:27 |
| Jigsy | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59443504 | 18:27 |
| Jigsy | %title | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: From www.bbc.co.uk: Covid-19: PM says anyone arriving in UK must take PCR test - BBC News | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: We Know Almost Nothing About the Omicron Variant: As fall dips into winter in the Northern Hemisphere, the coronavirus has served up the holiday gift that no one, absolutely no one, asked for: a new variant of concern , dubbed Omicron by the World [... want %more?] → https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/omicron-coronavirus-variant-what-we-know/620827/ | 18:28 |
| lastshell | im scared now | 18:28 |
| LjL | Jigsy, it is, unsurprisingly for that outlet, conflating two separate things | 18:35 |
| LjL | it's saying that 19% of all COVID deaths in the UK are among the unvaccinated - which may be true, i should look at other data | 18:35 |
| LjL | at the same time, it's talking about the new variant, but the new variant has only been found in the UK *today*, so it's definitely not talking about deaths from it | 18:36 |
| LjL | so forget about the new variant for now (although... don't forget it for too long, because it's definitely going to be a big problem) | 18:36 |
| LjL | what remains is, is 19% of the deaths being amoung the UNvaccinated something worrisome? | 18:36 |
| LjL | well, the thing is | 18:36 |
| LjL | %cases uk | 18:36 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: United Kingdom has had 10.1 million confirmed cases (15.2% of all people) and 145036 deaths (1.4% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 358.7 million tests were done (2.8% positive). 50.9 million were vaccinated (76.6%). +49864 cases since 23 hours ago. See https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ | 18:36 |
| LjL | 51 million people are vaccinated, assuming i remember which number Brainstorm uses | 18:37 |
| LjL | that may be only 76.6% of all people, but it's probably around 90% of *eligible* people | 18:37 |
| LjL | so this is one thing to consider: it's the usual "if 100% of the population were vaccinated, 100% of the deaths would be in the vaccinated, and 0% in the unvaccinated" | 18:38 |
| LjL | another thing is, look at the other numbers they give too: "39% of all cases, 34% of all hospitalisations, and 19% of all deaths" | 18:38 |
| LjL | there's an imbalance of cases vs deaths | 18:38 |
| LjL | that's kind of counterintuitive | 18:38 |
| LjL | but the thing is, unfortunately, *if* you get symptomatic and severe COVID despite being vaccinated, *then* your chances of dying are probably about the same as an unvaccinated person | 18:39 |
| LjL | but first you must get it, and it must progress to being severe, which is avoided in many cases | 18:39 |
| LjL | it's easy to play with numbers in a way that's more scary than it should be. and, really, it's scary enough anyway | 18:39 |
| LjL | but reaching the conclusion that it's the vaccinated who must fear is just terrible bad-faith journalism | 18:40 |
| LjL | now let me reintroduce the new variant: *with it*, will the vaccinated need to fear? probably. it has a ton of mutations, there are decent chances it will evade the vaccine to some extent (i even suspect a large extent). but we don't really know, there haven't been enough cases to be able to tell. furthermore, even if the vaccinated will have to fear, that won't mean the unvaccinated *won't* have to fear... | 18:41 |
| LjL | it will still be as bad or worse for the unvaccinated. problem is, it may be bad for the vaccinated *too* | 18:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +22074 cases (now 2.6 million), +55 deaths (now 19721) since 19 hours ago — Canada: +2973 cases (now 1.8 million), +15 deaths (now 29673) since 23 hours ago | 18:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): I think that the correct action would be to have a global fund that paid for the lost revenue to countries that are transparent and honest about their variants and epidemics. Tourism in South Africa is very important as provide much needed jobs and protect the [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1464649977431535619 | 18:47 |
| LjL | but anyway, bottom line: that article is engineered to scare you with a headline that's simply *false*, then you'll be too scared to make rational sense of the data (it's actually very long and detailed, just very misleading) | 18:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: BioNtech says it needs 2 weeks to determine vaccine's effectiveness against Omicron → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r3ikgp/biontech_says_it_needs_2_weeks_to_determine/ | 18:56 |
| joerg | LjL: or simplty, put that newspaper on the blacklist ;-) | 18:59 |
| LjL | well for myself, yes, i immediately recognized as a terrible tabloid | 19:00 |
| LjL | but it won't help others to simply tell them "that paper is on the blacklist, move on" | 19:00 |
| joerg | kudos for your skills to explain and reassure | 19:01 |
| edcba | We are all going to die !! | 19:02 |
| edcba | ...eventually of old age | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +12869 cases (now 5.0 million), +90 deaths (now 133627), +596898 tests (now 117.8 million) since a day ago | 19:09 |
| edcba | “It’s all speculation at this stage. It may be it’s highly transmissible, but so far the cases we are seeing are extremely mild,” she said. | 19:13 |
| edcba | from the guardian article | 19:13 |
| edcba | looks nice | 19:13 |
| edcba | still have to wait but still | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Bijan Salehizadeh (@bijans): @fitterhappierAJ Yes. It's as if nobody reads the papers...critical NIH NHP study from a few weeks ago "Notably, we did not see increased TH1 or CD8+ 501 T cell responses in the BAL of vaccinated NHP compared to controls following challenge." biorxiv.org/content/10.110… → https://twitter.com/bijans/status/1464657556954099714 | 19:15 |
| LjL | edcba, a contagious, immune-escaping variant that's actually milder would be interesting | 19:20 |
| Arsanerit | it seems vaccine development is quite fast (BioNTech said it needs 12 weeks to develop a vaccine specific to omicron), but vaccine approval is too slow. How can vaccine approval be accelerated further? | 19:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +40087 cases (now 10.2 million), +131 deaths (now 145167) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +217 deaths (now 101271) since 23 hours ago | 19:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A former nurse who's anti-vaxx will face trial for organizing rallies protesting lockdowns in the UK → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r3jde1/a_former_nurse_whos_antivaxx_will_face_trial_for/ | 19:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Airports: UK mandates masks, PCR tests for arrivals to stem Omicron seeding → https://www.politico.eu/article/johnson-omicron-coronavirus-variant-pcr-test-facemask/ | 19:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): I’ve been on an extended break and resisted the urge to Tweet for a long time now (3 months plus). I’ve been keeping a watchful eye on everything COVID related though, and thankfully nothing too dramatic has occurred in that time. → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1464667186073681936 | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): There is the moderbacher paper showing that naive t cells correlate with better outcomes.You cannot increase naive t cells with vaccination. → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1464668642696650755 | 20:02 |
| not_betelgeuse9 | Arsanerit: good point, likely not possible | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Madhu Pai, MD, PhD (@paimadhu): Today, I want to give a big shout-out & thanks to colleagues in Africa who've been screaming for months about vaccine inequity and its consequences for the continentI stand by them in solidarity🙏🏾🙏🏾 @_HassanF @yodifiji @CKyobutungi @ekemma [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/paimadhu/status/1464673633851297795 | 20:21 |
| not_betelgeuse9 | might make sense for moderna to launch a worldwide effort to vaccinate ; esp since how the got their patents, and it being a PAN demic | 20:22 |
| random-jellyfish | omicron...why? | 20:47 |
| LjL-Matrix | because Nu sounded silly and maybe confusable with Mu which also exists | 20:48 |
| LjL-Matrix | and I have my pet theory on why not Xi, but i won't say it | 20:49 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, approval could perhaps be made swifter but i don't think there is a *reasonable* way around the time needed to run a decent for safety | 20:52 |
| LjL | on the other hand, though, Pfizer and Moderna have been running such trials (on previous variants, like Beta and Delta) but they've quite been dragging them on | 20:52 |
| LjL | and i think that's a matter of where most of the money went (namely, to buy more of the same vaccine rather than fund the trials), not so much of intrinsic slowness | 20:52 |
| LjL | but there is also a degree of intrinsic slowness, in that you do have to give yourself time to 1) make sure no really bad adverse effects develop, and 2) evaluate efficacy | 20:52 |
| LjL | the fact that they can put an RNA string together in 12 weeks doesn't mean much in itself imo | 20:52 |
| Dredd | Hopefully some governments will be scared into bank rolling a new vaccine quickly this time | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The speed of the response to Omicron has been far improved compared with the prior variants of concern, thanks to the scientists in Southern Africa. twitter.com/JeremyFarrar/s… pic.twitter.com/jaNu7SGM7i → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1464687575084404740 | 21:17 |
| de-facto | South Africa should be rewarded for that, e.g. financially compensated for the economic loss they have to suffer by having warned us | 21:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk): NEW: Austria reports probable case of new coronavirus variant bnonews.com/index.php/2021… → https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1464693451597955077 | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Hospital confirms first Czech case of new COVID strain → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r3mtd9/hospital_confirms_first_czech_case_of_new_covid/ | 22:15 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: at the same time South Africa is complaining about travel restrictions | 22:16 |
| de-facto | of course they do, since their economy mainly is based on tourism | 22:16 |
| de-facto | WHO recommended against travel restrictions as they always do | 22:16 |
| de-facto | if they continue with such recommendations they undermine trust in sanity of their competence even more | 22:17 |
| Arsanerit | I was surprised to learn that vaccinated people flying to the EU do not need to show a negative test (unlike, for example, to the US) | 22:18 |
| de-facto | because if the assumption would be that this is a problematic variant of concern, noone would understand why it was not contained after the fact it spread worldwide | 22:18 |
| de-facto | yeah fully vaccinated can enter the EU without test or quarantine, hence selecting for importing only those variants that easily can spread in fully vaccinated | 22:19 |
| de-facto | sometimes i ask myself who designs such rules, they are completely stupid and fundamentally flawed | 22:20 |
| Arsanerit | apparently Canadians entering the US need a PCR test on the way in and on the way back to Canada, but if the visit is short they can use the same PCR test to return that they used to enter the US... | 22:20 |
| de-facto | import another delta? whatever. Import a nasty evasive unknown VoC. disaster. | 22:20 |
| Arsanerit | What is the false negative rate of a good PCR test? | 22:21 |
| Arsanerit | IOW how risky is it to let people with negative PCR test run free? | 22:21 |
| de-facto | 100% if samples are not taken properly? | 22:21 |
| Arsanerit | if samples are not taken properly it's not a good PCR test.. | 22:21 |
| de-facto | what if someone infected another passenger during flight? | 22:22 |
| de-facto | a properly taken PCR test will 100.00% show a negative result only a few hours after contamination | 22:22 |
| de-facto | a few days later, when the pathogen reproduction really kicks in though it may have a low CT value even | 22:22 |
| Arsanerit | ok | 22:23 |
| de-facto | with banning intercontinental traveling one would not try to target the import of cases that are infected with an already circulating variant, those do not matter (as long as its circulating already) | 22:24 |
| de-facto | the goal would be to prevent import of a foreign unknown mutant and for such a single case slipping through safety measures already may be sufficient to start an initial cluster in the target population | 22:25 |
| de-facto | especially if those tourists are being told that their test is negative, they may feel happy and relieved that everything is fine and go for the next party, not even being aware that what they really are celebrating is the bootstrapping of a new variant at their place with seeding the initial cluster | 22:26 |
| hateball | sup coughers | 22:33 |
| hateball | hows ur omega | 22:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Some Ancient Maya Kingdoms Had Sustainable Agricultural Practices, High Food Yields. Using the high-resolution airborne LiDAR data, archaeologists have found extensive systems of sophisticated irrigation and terracing in and outside the ancient [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/r3n8kv/some_ancient_maya_kingdoms_had_sustainable/ | 22:44 |
| hateball | LjL: did you ever consider https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGug3rczx4 | 22:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Anthony J Leonardi, PhD, MS (@fitterhappierAJ): For the locales run by sociopaths or idiots who will keep schools open to seed and spread and uncharacterized variant, I offer the advice of masking and using airborne mitigations → https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1464713292362956807 | 22:54 |
| LjL | hateball, i am taking vitamin D, but i would be taking it regardless of COVID (although i'm probably forgetting it less), and generally speaking i guess i'm not too surprised you're linking Campbell given the tone he's taken in the past several videos since the time i was sometimes watching him in 2020 | 22:56 |
| LjL | also the type of messages you sent on join... don't ;( | 22:56 |
| hateball | LjL: sorry if my type offends you | 22:58 |
| LjL | it does not particularly offend me, but i can't have it | 22:59 |
| hateball | yes no regular person can have 'it' | 22:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +8680 cases (now 5.7 million), +170 deaths (now 101340) since 17 hours ago | 23:05 |
| sdfgsdfg | ice cold salmon caviar is the best thing in the world | 23:06 |
| sdfgsdfg | .cases netherlands | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: Netherlands has had 2.6 million confirmed cases (15.0% of all people) and 19721 deaths (0.8% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 19.2 million tests were done (13.6% positive). 13.2 million were vaccinated (75.8%). +22074 cases, +55 deaths since 19 hours ago. See https://coronadashboard.government.nl/ | 23:06 |
| sdfgsdfg | .cases south africa | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: South Africa has had 3.0 million confirmed cases (5.0% of all people) and 89791 deaths (3.0% of cases) as of an hour ago. 19.4 million tests were done (15.3% positive). 17.0 million were vaccinated (28.9%). +3220 cases, +8 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Africa&legacy=no | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about South Africa, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 23:07 |
| hateball | sdfgsdfg: a fine choice for foodw | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Punctuated Equilibrium (3x💉) 🇮🇱 🇺🇸🇨🇼🇪🇬 (@GainOfDystopia): 🦠🚨🇮🇱 THE GATES ARE CLOSING TONIGHT:Israel is banning entry to stop Omicron:- All foreigners barred- Our Friends will reciprocate as expected- Air travel will largely stop- Quarantine [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GainOfDystopia/status/1464720240529575936 | 23:23 |
| spokojni[m] | oh no | 23:24 |
| de-facto | very good decision | 23:27 |
| spokojni[m] | why, it's just slowing the pandemic | 23:28 |
| de-facto | lets see, i think they will be thankful for their leaders to do their job properly | 23:30 |
| spokojni[m] | Faster percentage of humanity is dead faster we are out of this pandemic, simple. | 23:30 |
| de-facto | it does not work like that | 23:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +7619 cases (now 34.6 million), +46 deaths (now 467979) since 17 hours ago | 23:30 |
| spokojni[m] | No? :O | 23:30 |
| spokojni[m] | When will it end then? | 23:30 |
| de-facto | when we end it | 23:31 |
| spokojni[m] | I ended it already in my brain | 23:31 |
| spokojni[m] | Have you? | 23:31 |
| Dredd | On the one hand, Israel closing up shop, at least temporarily till more is known, is probably a very good idea | 23:33 |
| de-facto | when small children cover their eyes and assume they will become invisible it may still be cute, but if adults assume a pathogen will go away by just ignoring its presence it is a serious problem | 23:33 |
| Dredd | On the other hand in not an enormous fan of Israel and it's behaviour | 23:34 |
| spokojni[m] | de-factowell it will go away, eventually | 23:34 |
| Dredd | s/On the other hand in not an enormous fan of Israel and it's behaviour/On the other hand i am not an enormous fan of Israel and it's behaviour/ | 23:34 |
| Dredd | LjL @LjL:libera.chat: isn't vitamin D in most multivitamins? | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Covid variant called omicron not Xi to avoid offending Chinese ruler → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r3omkj/new_covid_variant_called_omicron_not_xi_to_avoid/ | 23:42 |
| de-facto | also why are the Dutch testing the passengers of the two flights that arrived from SA? | 23:49 |
| Timvde | To check for omicron, I suppose? | 23:50 |
| de-facto | does that mean if 61 our of 600 passengers tested positive that the other 539 will be let home under the impression that they did not catch it? | 23:50 |
| de-facto | argh :/// | 23:50 |
| Timvde | Likely :P | 23:50 |
| spokojni[m] | Omicron sounds better than delta, more sinister | 23:50 |
| de-facto | they should have isolated all of them for two weeks, regardless if they test positive NOW or not | 23:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): More of the same. but central message; patience. Data is not as bad as could have been, in a few weeks there will be enough to know:- infectiousness- pathogenicity- evasion of neutralising antibodies.science.org/content/articl… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1464727847029907459 | 23:52 |
| spokojni[m] | de-facto guess they can't be arsed about that | 23:52 |
| de-facto | they are importing it to EU right now | 23:52 |
| Timvde | We did it first! | 23:53 |
| spokojni[m] | damn, we are all going to die. Aren't we | 23:53 |
| Timvde | Nah | 23:53 |
| Timvde | We don't even know if it's more dangerous yet | 23:53 |
| de-facto | we will know soon how it competes in our population against Delta | 23:54 |
| Timvde | Yep | 23:54 |
| de-facto | but by then it will be too late to contain it | 23:54 |
| de-facto | its imported TODAY | 23:55 |
| aann | "human nature" | 23:55 |
| de-facto | what really makes me mad about this? | 23:55 |
| Timvde | de-facto: if it's more contagious but less dangerous, it may be a good thing? (that's two big ifs though) | 23:55 |
| de-facto | its imported AFTER the fact about the knowledge that this most likely may be an evasive nasty VoC | 23:55 |
| de-facto | thats a gigantic IF | 23:56 |
| Timvde | Yes, it was more of a question actually | 23:56 |
| aann | think I saw 1 cloth mask in the stands of 100k people @Michigan fball game today | 23:57 |
| de-facto | we dont know yet, and until we do we should treat that under the assumption that it will fulfill the potential bad expectations | 23:57 |
| ublx | even if it's not more dangerous, the more contagious aspect multiplies the petri dish install base aspect | 23:57 |
| de-facto | Timvde, yeah i speculated about that yesterday too, what if some of the mutations also destroyed its superantigenic properties or something like that | 23:58 |
| LjL | <spokojni[m]> Faster percentage of humanity is dead faster we are out of this pandemic, simple. | 23:58 |
| LjL | please read the channel guidelines in the topic | 23:58 |
| LjL | remarks like those are not appreciated | 23:58 |
| spokojni[m] | sorry | 23:58 |
| LjL | Dredd, i don't think most multivitamins have vitamin D, but even if they do, it's unlikely to be stored in fat (usually oil) as the "medical-grade" typically is, and i bet they aren't going to give you 1000IU or more per day which is the standard | 23:59 |
| LjL | multivitamins are... maybe somewhat useful sometimes, i guess :P | 23:59 |
| LjL | i think most vitamins probably shouldn't be supplemented unless there's a *known* deficiency | 23:59 |
| LjL | but for vitamin D, we know that the vast majority of people have a deficiency, at least in the winter | 23:59 |
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