| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): 120 people, previously tested negative and all vaccinated; potentially (tbc) 30-40 infected with Omicron SARS-CoV-2 variant (tbc), with some participants recently returned from SA.dagbladet.no/nyheter/var-pa… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1466183355037327367 | 00:15 |
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| lastshell | US has confirmed a case of omicron, so far mild syntoms | 00:29 |
| spokojni[m] | Omg we Are all Done | 00:30 |
| lastshell | I thing we are either in an inflection point when things will be better or worst | 00:30 |
| Dredd | Still a bit early to tell anything | 00:33 |
| Dredd | Aside from perhaps the logical deduction that it must be spreading well | 00:33 |
| lastshell | https://gizmodo.com/many-severe-covid-19-survivors-go-on-to-die-within-a-ye-1848144418/amp | 00:44 |
| Dredd | I've always suffered with lingering symptoms after flu and similar sorts of chest infection so I'm not surprised there are lingering effects of covid either | 00:46 |
| Dredd | I wonder if they controlled for the population differences between negative people and those who recover from severe covid | 00:47 |
| Dredd | As opposed to just comparing those two groups for each age | 00:47 |
| Dredd | > authors say it’s “clear that prevention of significant covid-19 infection is the most effective way to decrease the risk of death following covid-19.” | 00:48 |
| Dredd | Heh, I think I could have reasoned that out too 😛 | 00:48 |
| Dredd | Maybe that fact will help motivate certain... resistant.... people to get vaccinated more | 00:50 |
| Dredd | > Patients aged 65 and older with severe COVID-19 were also at increased 12-month mortality risk compared to COVID-19 negative patients (HR 2.17; 95% CI 1.66, 2.84) but not mild COVID-19 patients (HR 1.41; 95% CI 0.84, 2.34). | 00:52 |
| Dredd | Huh, so older people where more likely to die whether they had mild or severe covid | 00:52 |
| Dredd | But in younger people only severe covid cases were worse of | 00:53 |
| Dredd | s/of/off/ | 00:53 |
| Dredd | > Of the 13,638 patients included in this cohort, 178 had severe COVID-19, 246 had mild/moderate COVID-19, and 13,214 were COVID-19 negative. In the cohort, 2,686 died in the 12-month period. | 00:54 |
| Dredd | Sample size of covid cases is quite low and I bet the percentage of them that are younger in the severe case is even smaller | 00:54 |
| Dredd | Not sure what to make of that | 00:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: zerohedge (@zerohedge): JPM's Kolanovic Suggests Omicron Could Be Positive For Risk And "End The Covid Pandemic" zerohedge.com/markets/jpms-k… → https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1466192988024025095 | 01:02 |
| `St0ner | In 1997, the evangelical Marcus Lamb founded Daystar Television Network, which is now the world’s second-largest Christian television station. Lamb died of Covid-19 on Tuesday, after he and his network advocated against the Covid vaccine. He was 64. | 01:03 |
| `St0ner | yet another winner of the /r/HermanCainAward/ | 01:03 |
| Dredd | Lol, Brainstorm! I'm not gonna listen to JP Morgan | 01:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: KorbynDallas (@KorbynDallas2): Well, this isn’t looking good..@Mark_Coughlan @RobOHanrahan@gavreillynews.sky.com/story/covid-19…COVID-19: Emerging picture from South Africa suggests Omicron variant could be real cause for concern. → https://twitter.com/KorbynDallas2/status/1466194342373167104 | 01:11 |
| LjL | Dredd, hm you know a slightly annoying thing of the thing i use to generate an RSS feed from Twitter (which is otherwise pretty great, zero maintenance so far) is that i don't really get to know who a given tweet was retweeted by | 01:28 |
| LjL | so i could do some statistics on the channel logs to see if a given tweeter is a bit too chatty | 01:28 |
| LjL | but i don't get to see how much bullshit they retweet from other people | 01:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: The eyes have it: getting the gist of covid-19 transmission: Many words have been written and numbers collected about covid-19 over the past two years, but visualisation can further enhance our understanding of how the virus can be transferred between us.... → http://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2978.short | 01:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +18570 cases (now 2.7 million) since 23 hours ago | 01:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Julia MV (@julialmv): We are creating a study to see whether wearable devices can improve #LongCOVID symptom management.longcovid.scripps.eduThe study was sparked by discussions in the @itsbodypolitic group & is being brought to life by @scrippsdtc & @patientled.1/5 → https://twitter.com/julialmv/status/1466200062602530816 | 01:39 |
| LjL | okay, check this | 01:41 |
| LjL | %title https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-most-omicron-cases-are-mild-and-theres-no-evidence-to-suggest-vaccines-may-be-less-effective-against-the-variant-says-who-12483729 | 01:41 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From news.sky.com: COVID-19: Most Omicron cases are 'mild' and there's no evidence to suggest vaccines may be less effective against the variant, says WHO official | World News | Sky News | 01:41 |
| LjL | %title https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-emerging-picture-from-south-africa-suggests-omicron-variant-could-be-real-cause-for-concern-12484064 | 01:41 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From news.sky.com: COVID-19: Emerging picture from South Africa suggests Omicron variant could be real cause for concern | Science & Tech News | Sky News | 01:41 |
| LjL | "Don't be distracted by headlines that the Omicron variant might be less deadly than Delta. More worrying pictures are starting to emerge from South Africa." | 01:41 |
| LjL | Don't be distracted by the HEADLINES WE PUBLISHED OURSELVES HOURS AGO! | 01:41 |
| LjL | in less idiotic news: "To create the model, the researchers needed one of the world’s biggest supercomputers to assemble 1.3 billion atoms and track all their movements down to less than a millionth of a second." https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/01/science/coronavirus-aerosol-simulation.html?smid=tw-nytimesscience&smtyp=cur | 01:45 |
| LjL | de-facto, joerg, that is probably cool ↑ | 01:46 |
| LjL | "The researchers started by creating a model of the coronavirus, known as SARS-CoV-2, from 300 million virtual atoms. They combined thousands of fatty acid molecules into a membrane shell, then lodged hundreds of proteins inside." | 01:46 |
| joerg | wow | 01:47 |
| ublx | whew | 01:47 |
| Dredd | <LjL> "Don't be distracted by the..." <- Lol yeah | 01:53 |
| LjL | you know what i find even more mindblowing than simulating a virus made of 300m atoms, and then simulating a large number of them? | 01:54 |
| Dredd | nytimes paywall ☹️ | 01:54 |
| LjL | that it took *that much* to convince people of something we were saying from early in the 2020, something as obvious as "it's airborne, dammit" | 01:54 |
| LjL | (assuming it does convince people) | 01:54 |
| Dredd | Lol yeah, I mean I think there's an argument that it has become more air borne as it's virulence has massively increased | 01:55 |
| Dredd | And all the early talk being about hand washing more than the air we were breathing | 01:55 |
| Dredd | Certainly that can't have helped | 01:55 |
| LjL | Dredd, does this help? https://web.archive.org/web/20211202005227/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/01/science/coronavirus-aerosol-simulation.html | 01:56 |
| Dredd | I don't trust anyone who says they know omicron is a non-issue because we've barely known about it for a week | 01:56 |
| Dredd | Seems to thanks | 01:56 |
| Dredd | Thank goodness for benevolent piracy | 01:56 |
| * Dredd goes and boots up a playstation emulator on archive.org | 01:56 | |
| LjL | :) | 01:56 |
| LjL | also as a backup https://archive.md/6BfdU (just because it took a few minutes to make it so i might as well post it) | 01:57 |
| Dredd | We don't have enough data to know omicron is worse either. But we have good theories why it might be and will suffer if we are complacent | 01:57 |
| Dredd | Hence it is, IMO, rational to be cautious | 01:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CDC (old): SARS-CoV-2 Variant Classifications and Definitions: Variants of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, have been reported in many countries around the world. Learn more about the current variants of concern. → https://tools.cdc.gov/api/embed/downloader/download.asp | 01:58 |
| Dredd | LjL: seems like I'm missing cool images in that archive article ☹️ | 02:01 |
| LjL | try the other one, i see the images there | 02:01 |
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| LjL | uh | 02:02 |
| LjL | Dredd, try changing the url into archive.is? | 02:03 |
| LjL | for me, archive.is redirects into archive.md now | 02:03 |
| LjL | but maybe some countries have blocked one or the other | 02:03 |
| Dredd | Also doesn't work | 02:03 |
| Dredd | And I saw other archive.is links the otherday that I couldn't open too | 02:03 |
| LjL | %s uk blocks archive.is archive.md | 02:03 |
| Dredd | What is it? | 02:03 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 267000000.0 hits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Archive (Internet Archive - Wikipedia) — https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Archive.today (Archive.today - Archiveteam) — https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 (Tell HN: Archive.is inaccessible via Cloudflare DNS (1.1.1.1)) [... want %more?] | 02:03 |
| Dredd | Ah I use 1.1.1.1 | 02:03 |
| Dredd | > Archive.is’s authoritative DNS servers return bad results to 1.1.1.1 when we query them. I’ve proposed we just fix it on our end but our team, quite rightly, said that too would violate the integrity of DNS and the privacy and security promises we made to our users when we launched the service. | 02:04 |
| Dredd | Huh odd, cloudflare person there claims that the archive.is nameservers are returning bad data to cloudflare lol | 02:05 |
| LjL | de-facto, i'm confused and i don't know if it's relevant but https://community.cloudflare.com/t/archive-is-error-1001/18227/17 | 02:05 |
| LjL | well why do they return okay data to other DNS servers :P | 02:05 |
| LjL | de-facto, sorry wrong highlight | 02:05 |
| LjL | i meant Dredd | 02:05 |
| Dredd | Understandable, I can be quite German at times 😉 | 02:05 |
| LjL | ja ja | 02:06 |
| Dredd | Looks like for some reason archive.is have some sort of issue that stops cloudflare fetching valid records | 02:06 |
| Dredd | Who runs archive.is? Is it archive.org? | 02:06 |
| LjL | no, different archiver | 02:07 |
| LjL | well i tried loading the IP address that results from that hostname but that (unsurprisingly) doesn't work | 02:07 |
| LjL | i mean, it doesn't go to that page | 02:07 |
| Dredd | > Unfortunately, they are telling people to just use Googles dns instead, blaming the issue on CF. | 02:08 |
| Dredd | Sounds like they are somewhat incompetent | 02:08 |
| LjL | maybe | 02:09 |
| Dredd | > it is because of 1.1.1.1 | 02:09 |
| Dredd | >try 8.8.8.8 | 02:09 |
| LjL | seems like a meaningful difference between archive.is and archive.org (also webcitation.org, RIP) is that archive.is *does not* attempt to respect robots.txt | 02:09 |
| Dredd | That is them, disregarding the technical data they've been provided | 02:09 |
| LjL | so i can see it getting blocked | 02:09 |
| Dredd | So incompetent 😛 | 02:09 |
| Dredd | I don't think it's blocked at all | 02:10 |
| Dredd | It seems like they made some effort to fix it for IPv4 but never for IPv6 | 02:10 |
| Dredd | Which might be the problem for me | 02:10 |
| LjL | Dredd, well do you clearly understand that the issue really is on archive.is's site? cloudflare may as well be blaming it on them in turn | 02:10 |
| LjL | ah | 02:10 |
| Dredd | There's loads of technical data in the links | 02:10 |
| Dredd | Cloudflares network gets different results from the archive.is nameservers (the ones they run) | 02:11 |
| LjL | de-facto, anyway have fun with the pictures and try to match them to what they mean :P | 02:11 |
| LjL | https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2021/11/20/virus-structure/assets/images/atoms-720_x2.jpg | 02:11 |
| Dredd | And they are clearly the wrong results lol] | 02:11 |
| Dredd | s/And they are clearly the wrong results lol]/And they are clearly the wrong results lol/ | 02:11 |
| LjL | https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2021/11/20/virus-structure/assets/images/cough-1050_x2.png | 02:11 |
| LjL | https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2021/11/20/virus-structure/assets/images/particle-1050_x2.png | 02:11 |
| LjL | https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2021/11/20/virus-structure/assets/images/virion-1050_x2.png | 02:11 |
| Dredd | ha ha thanks 😛 | 02:11 |
| LjL | https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2021/11/20/virus-structure/assets/images/spike-top-1440_x2.jpg | 02:11 |
| LjL | https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2021/11/20/virus-structure/assets/images/delta-omicron-comparison-1440_x2.png | 02:11 |
| LjL | that's it | 02:11 |
| LjL | some are cool but i expected an animation :P | 02:12 |
| Dredd | Yeah an animation would be cool | 02:12 |
| LjL | but also the captions really are quite important :P | 02:12 |
| LjL | since they color-code what's in the pictures | 02:12 |
| Dredd | Though I imagine the render might take forever 😛 | 02:12 |
| LjL | pfft, certainly less than the age of the universe | 02:12 |
| Dredd | I'll make up my own story 😛 | 02:12 |
| Dredd | Probably less | 02:13 |
| Dredd | But I can only watch things at 360fps you see 😛 | 02:13 |
| LjL | meanwhile, unrelated - i've added two "third-party" COVID twitter lists to ##covid-ticker, they are https://twitter.com/i/lists/1384523560320962561/members and https://twitter.com/i/lists/1257945421231554560/members - honestly i don't know if i'll pay enough attention to ##covid-ticker to filter the good tweet authors from them, but if you spot people who you think should definitely be in the main list that goes to this channel, call them out (although a few are | 02:14 |
| LjL | likely to already be there :P) | 02:14 |
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| Dredd | LjL: ^ | 02:14 |
| Dredd | Eurgh, the thread was closed by some zealous (non-cloudflare employee) mod | 02:16 |
| LjL | i saw | 02:16 |
| LjL | i read those things the same way i read papers | 02:16 |
| Dredd | The old school anal-retentive style "YOU CANNOT USE AN OLD THREAD EVEN IF RELEVANT" thing does irk me sometimes | 02:17 |
| LjL | abstract and conclusions | 02:17 |
| LjL | aka first and last post :P | 02:17 |
| Dredd | ha ha | 02:17 |
| Dredd | I read the middle because it had the traces | 02:17 |
| Dredd | 😛 | 02:17 |
| LjL | forum culture is asinine | 02:17 |
| LjL | specific rules for when to bump and when not to bump | 02:17 |
| Dredd | After going from beginning to end then back 😛 | 02:17 |
| * LjL bumps his head against a wall | 02:17 | |
| LjL | forums like XDA are particularly atrocious, you are *actively supposed* to read through a 100-page, 10-post-per-page thread, in its entirety, before asking a question, because that's how things are "documented" | 02:19 |
| Dredd | Lol yeah, those things | 02:19 |
| LjL | it's unsurprising that leads to developers who are usually pompous assholes. or well the other way around, i'm not sure. | 02:19 |
| Dredd | I have a theory that archive.today blocks cloudflare to stop their CDN caching their previous archives 😛. It seems they are in some way making money with ads / ad replacements? | 02:21 |
| LjL | Dredd, by the way, this is the actual twitter post that led Brainstorm to post that @zerohedge post that cited JP Morgan: https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1466194261796392961 | 02:22 |
| Dredd | It would be interesting if someone from akamai, cloudfront or some other CDN would report whether they are also getting intentionally broken dns records | 02:22 |
| LjL | but i would be foolish at this point if i didn't follow through with my earlier decision to demote Leonardi to -ticker :P | 02:22 |
| Dredd | Ah I see | 02:22 |
| LjL | i mean if he wants to quote and respond to idiotic tweets just to call them idiotic, he can do that, but it's not quite what i'm seeking for Brainstorm =) | 02:23 |
| Dredd | Investment banks trying to fabricate narratives | 02:23 |
| Dredd | I've come to realise that all the "The economy did this because that" is just a fictional narrative most of the time | 02:23 |
| LjL | unfortunately, in the actual RSS feed, there is both the quoted tweet (as its own entry) and Leonardi's own tweet, but Brainstorm just picks one | 02:23 |
| Dredd | It's a complex system and those ideas are theories | 02:23 |
| LjL | i'm not sure why there is both, anyway. *the* tweet that comes from my list is Leonardi's, not whatever he's retweeting. | 02:24 |
| Dredd | Often bullshit ones that align to the theorisers financial interests | 02:24 |
| LjL | Dredd, i got so mad earlier on TV they were blabbering how news of the Omicron variant "without even knowing" whether it's mild or not (oh my, so sorry we don't know yet! next time we'll try to know) caused stock exchange turmoil and "is depressing the economy of our small and medium enterprises" (seriously?) | 02:25 |
| Dredd | lol yeah | 02:25 |
| LjL | so *because* financial people like to freak out whenever a drop of rain hits the ground and make the stock exchange go up and down... we shouldn't say there's a new variant? | 02:25 |
| LjL | "don't tell us things, we make the economy go bad if you do! err, i mean, YOU make the economy go bad!" | 02:26 |
| Dredd | The financial markets are very volatile today and that's for sure somewhat related to omicron but also related to the rampant speculation it triggers 😛 | 02:26 |
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| Dredd | This is what I keep thinking of every time I read omicron | 02:29 |
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| Dredd | Here's archive.is ad injection btw: https://web.archive.org/web/20210307061640/http://archive.vn/2020.11.13-071518/https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q101544835 | 02:31 |
| Dredd | Archiveception | 02:31 |
| Dredd | Their twitter doesn't paint them as the nicest person: https://twitter.com/archiveis | 02:35 |
| Dredd | And it does appear to be one person | 02:35 |
| Dredd | They use "I" | 02:35 |
| LjL | de-facto, eh yeah archive.is (or .today or whatever it's primarily meant to be called) is privately owned presumably for profit... i'd definitely favor archive.org in general, but you know, sometimes archive.is can be convinced to archive more things :P | 02:36 |
| Dredd | LjL: Ja, ich stimme zu | 02:37 |
| Dredd | LjL: I'm adding in the block to the archive.today wiki 😀 | 02:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Donald Trump was Covid-positive before debate, ex-aide says in book → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/donald-trump-was-covid-positive-before-debate-ex-aide-says-in-book-7651834/ | 03:11 |
| Malvolio | https://www.who.int/news/item/01-12-2021-world-health-assembly-agrees-to-launch-process-to-develop-historic-global-accord-on-pandemic-prevention-preparedness-and-response | 03:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +14 cases (now 7.8 million) since 5 hours ago | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: U.N. chief slams Covid-19 ‘travel apartheid’ as unacceptable → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/u-n-chief-slams-covid-19-travel-apartheid-as-unacceptable-7651836/ | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: AIDS in Australia hits new low during pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r6wsfu/aids_in_australia_hits_new_low_during_pandemic/ | 04:07 |
| messiahbooks[m] | Secret Knowledge Wisdom That Will Help You Become God Again, Active Super Power, Live Forever | 04:12 |
| messiahbooks[m] | https://eternalsacredbooks.wordpress.com/2021/12/01/secret-knowledge-wisdom-that-will-help-you-become-god-again-active-super-power-live-forever/ | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Facebook, now Meta, says users in China created a fake Swiss scientist to spread conspiracies that the US was falsely blaming it for COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r6x094/facebook_now_meta_says_users_in_china_created_a/ | 04:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +47831 cases (now 10.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +30154 cases (now 6.0 million) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +18558 cases (now 2.7 million), +46 deaths (now 19909) since 23 hours ago | 04:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Don't kiss strangers under mistletoe - minister: People should try to reduce Covid transmission so we can all enjoy Christmas "knees up", Therese Coffey says. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59500232 | 04:54 |
| `St0ner | https://www.rt.com/news/541886-china-antibody-covid19-omicron/ | 04:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Chronic diseases: at the center of pandemic preparedness: COVID-19 has been a perfect storm of infectious disease meeting noncommunicable diseases head on. The reality is that health, the economy and better societies are inextricably linked. → https://www.politico.eu/sponsored-content/chronic-diseases-at-the-center-of-pandemic-preparedness/ | 05:03 |
| aann | I just bought 50 3M masks, though, I barely am around people lol | 05:04 |
| LjL | aann, Auras? | 05:13 |
| LjL | `St0ner, that looks a bit sensationalized, since the in vivo studies aren't on people | 05:14 |
| LjL | monoclonal antibodies are already recognized as a valid treatment | 05:14 |
| LjL | *which* ones you choose is certainly very important but in any case you typically must use more than one if you don't want to greatly risk developing resistance | 05:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Facebook, Instagram remove Chinese network over fake ‘Swiss biologist’ Covid claims → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/facebook-instagram-remove-chinese-network-over-fake-swiss-biologist-covid-claims-7651980/ | 05:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +20409 cases (now 1.8 million), +57 deaths (now 27072), +123364 tests (now 24.8 million) since a day ago — India: +9765 cases (now 34.6 million), +477 deaths (now 469724), +2207078 tests (now 643.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 05:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 836: OMG, Omicron!: TWiV reveals all that we know so far about the variant of concern B.1.1.529, also called Omicron, and describes a study on the ability of the alpha, beta, and delta variants to reproduce in cells in culture and induce membrane fusion. → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-836/ | 06:09 |
| aann | 3M 9105 N95 Vflex Particulate Respirator | 06:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Thuringen, Germany: +4459 cases (now 219507), +40 deaths (now 5053) since 23 hours ago — Saxony-Anhalt, Germany: +3707 cases (now 162455), +14 deaths (now 3824) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +75456 cases (now 6.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Lombardy, Italy: +2503 cases (now 935047), +24 deaths (now 34396) since 23 hours ago | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Chad: +594 cases (now 5701), +6 deaths (now 181), +9153 tests (now 157235) since 28 days ago | 07:00 |
| sdfgsdfg | oo is it too late to join the poll ? | 07:08 |
| sdfgsdfg | everyone voiced their opinion and said fuck twitter :P but I think if we can reduce the frequency of tweets it will be better than removing tweet feed | 07:08 |
| sdfgsdfg | there's still valuable info there | 07:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | am I wong | 07:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | wrong* | 07:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | no ? it is decided then. | 07:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD 🧬 (@michaelzlin): What happened while the CDC held onto the fiction that #JnJers were fully immunized and thereby by definition the same as Modernates and PfizeritesSee death curves by vaccine typetwitter.com/redouad/status… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1466293625768136705 | 07:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Trigger of rare blood clots with AstraZeneca jab found by scientists → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59418123 | 08:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): HPV Vaccine Is Reducing Cervical Cancers in Teens, Young Women → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 08:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Hexyon, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (acellular, component), hepatitis B (rDNA), poliomyelitis (inactivated) and Haemophilus influenzae type b conjugate vaccine (adsorbed), Hepatitis [... want %more?] → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/hexyon | 09:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): New 🇮🇱 data about mRNA vaccines and myocarditis.5.1m vaccinated; 136 myocarditis cases(5.3x increase from normal)Of theses:129 were mild (95%), 1 case died.Conclusion: myocarditis is a very rare sideeffect of inflammation after (RNA) vaccination. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1466320288686219264 | 09:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Molecular insight into the interaction of Ad vectors (AZ and J&J) and Platelet factor 4 (CXCL4). Antibodies against PF4 are implicated in very rare clotting events after Ad vaccines. science.org/doi/10.1126/sc… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1466326770009972740 | 09:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): PF4 binds with high affinity to the adenovirus sequence, thereby likely coating the vehicle vaccine upon injection, esp in the bloodstream.In those rare cases, there is a chance for immune complexes to form, triggering aberrant clotting events. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1466327472711024645 | 09:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +75454 cases (now 6.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 10:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Calls for equity must be specific to be meaningful: In their focus on equity in the post-covid NHS, Patel and colleagues emphasise “clinical prioritisation.”1 This idea is undoubtedly important, but without specification, the concept remains ambiguous... → http://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2920.short | 10:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Another fight for Covid long-haulers: having their pain acknowledged: Early intervention can help prevent long Covid pain from progressing from acute to chronic and from chronic to disabling. That means providers must listen to and treat them now. → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/02/long-covid-pain-not-acknowledged/ | 10:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: EMA starts rolling review of Valneva’s COVID-19 vaccine (VLA2001), CHMP, 02/12/2021: EMA’s human medicines committee (CHMP) has started a rolling review of VLA2001, a COVID-19 vaccine being developed by Valneva. The CHMP’s decision to... → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-starts-rolling-review-valnevas-covid-19-vaccine-vla2001 | 11:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Hexacima, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (acellular, component), hepatitis B (rDNA), poliomyelitis (inactivated) and Haemophilus influenzae type b conjugate vaccine (adsorbed), Hepatitis [... want %more?] → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/hexacima | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Omicron Covid-19 variant: Travel restrictions worldwide → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/omicron-covid-19-variant-travel-restrictions-worldwide-7652477/ | 11:47 |
| Dredd | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59418123.amp | 11:55 |
| Dredd | Doh, beaten by brainstorm | 11:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: What you can expect when vaccines become available for kids under 5: Parents of children under 5 have to wait a little bit longer before COVID vaccines are available. In the meantime pediatricians are still working to increase vaccinations in the 5-11 age group. → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/02/1059902455/covid-vaccines-kids-under-5 | 12:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Data on testing for COVID-19 by week and country: The downloadable data file contains information about testing volume for COVID-19 by week and country. Each row contains the corresponding data for a country and a week. The file is updated weekly. You may use the data in line with ECDC’s [... want %more?] → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/covid-19-testing | 12:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +298 cases (now 821949), +6 deaths (now 11535), +9511 tests (now 4.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 12:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Data on hospital and ICU admission rates and current occupancy for COVID-19: The downloadable data files contain information about hospitalisation and Intensive Care Unit (ICU) admission rates and current occupancy for COVID-19 by [... want %more?] → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/download-data-hospital-and-icu-admission-rates-and-current-occupancy-covid-19 | 13:02 |
| de-facto | Dredd, isnt that what Greinacher found long time ago? | 13:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Scientists solve an important part of the mystery of ultra-rare blood clots linked to adenovirus-based COVID-19 vaccines → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/r76mmq/scientists_solve_an_important_part_of_the_mystery/ | 14:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Longer gaps between mRNA dosing intervals ( a 6 -7 week interval vs Standard <4 weeks ) generate a higher antibody response. This information can inform ongoing international COVID-19 vaccination efforts. → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/r76v38/longer_gaps_between_mrna_dosing_intervals_a_6_7/ | 14:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid 19: Why we need a global pandemic treaty: The world was not prepared for this pandemic. While countries affected by severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in 2003 responded quickly and efficiently to the early warnings of covid-19, most... → http://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2963.short | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +4675 cases (now 1.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +75605 cases (now 6.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Germany to announce nationwide Covid lockdown for the unvaccinated → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/r77d8m/germany_to_announce_nationwide_covid_lockdown_for/ | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The @POTUS @WhiteHouse Covid PlanIt's good, solid support for boosters and free rapid tests (not clear how the latter will get done). Not a word on improving @CDCgov data or an aggressive counter to mis/disinformation pic.twitter.com/5e3N1xVTau → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1466409658571116546 | 15:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): "Pulling out all the stops," the new planwashingtonpost.com/health/2021/12…by @ddiamond @bylenasun @tylerpager Most aggressive pandemic plan yet for the US, but still falls short of all that's needed now → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1466414843007668227 | 15:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Good to see the @Vir_Biotech/ @GSK monoclonal antibody (Sotrovimab) retains activity vs Omicron mutations in lab testsbiorxiv.org/content/10.110… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1466417111740436490 | 15:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Germany imposes coronavirus lockdown for unvaccinated people: The country's fourth pandemic wave has slowed but 'on too high a level,' the chancellor said. → https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-imposes-coronavirus-lockdown-for-the-unvaccinated/ | 16:05 |
| lastshell | all we are going to get covid | 16:12 |
| lastshell | triple-jabbed doctor caught omicron https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/omicron-uk-doctor-vaccine-israel-b1967954.html | 16:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): As Europe starts the move towards mandatory vaccination for all, the US courts block mandates for health care workers to be vaccinated. → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1466423160849506317 | 16:15 |
| joerg | >>New from r/Science: science: Longer gaps between mRNA dosing intervals ( a 6 -7 week interval vs Standard <4 weeks ) generate a higher antibody response.<< this is new? I seem to recall this been the reason why I received my second shot 10 weeks after first, a 6 months ago | 16:28 |
| joerg | >><lastshell> triple-jabbed doctor caught omicron<< that's not really any exciting news | 16:31 |
| joerg | mind you "caught omicron" is not the same like "got ill" | 16:32 |
| lastshell | I hope the vaccines are ok to avoid complications | 16:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +3257 cases (now 1.8 million), +28 deaths (now 29773) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +47776 cases (now 10.3 million) since 21 hours ago | 16:33 |
| joerg | they are | 16:33 |
| lastshell | what about 65 years old fat people ? | 16:33 |
| joerg | I dare to claim that now and here | 16:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Omicron may soon cause over half of Covid infections in Europe: EU → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/omicron-covid-infection-europe-7653134/ | 16:34 |
| joerg | even their risk to suffer severe outcome gets reduced by factor 10 to 20 by vaccination | 16:35 |
| joerg | with booster probably more | 16:35 |
| lastshell | that give me some hope thank you | 16:36 |
| lastshell | you recommend to get also the influenza vaccine ? | 16:36 |
| joerg | I got it, but I already did so since decades since I'm vulnerable to infections at large. Generally getting flu vaccination is a good idea this year since we had no regular flu wave last winter, so the risk is quite high this year, yes | 16:40 |
| joerg | then, if you never had flu before since you're one of those persons that simply "are stronger than the flu", then you might be safe without vaccination | 16:41 |
| joerg | btw the canceled flu wave last winter is an excellent and obvious indicator that NPI like masks, distance etc actually work to massively reduce transmission of pathogens | 16:45 |
| joerg | if corona was "just a flu" then it were already extinct ;-) | 16:45 |
| lastshell | wow | 16:46 |
| ndn[m] | lastshell: have you been approached by healthcare providers regarding getting the flu vaccine? | 16:53 |
| lastshell | Im 37 not asking for me | 16:54 |
| lastshell | but im worry of some family members | 16:54 |
| ndn[m] | ok, just asking because i was contacted for the first time this year and found it unusual, especially since my status has not changed and my age is below the usual start point for the offer. | 16:55 |
| lastshell | a what age is recommended the influenza h1n1 vaccine ? | 16:55 |
| ndn[m] | they offer it at 50 years in the UK | 16:56 |
| lastshell | thank you | 16:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Good current summary of Omicron, and the points of #3D prediction of its binding to neutralizing antibodies likely not strongly affected and the importance of variant-independent T cell response economist.com/briefing/2021/… pic.twitter.com/rPlQWGR82W → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1466435859272515584 | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Detection and Characterization of Anti-SARS-CoV-2 Salivary Antibodies After COVID-19 Booster Vaccines → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05142540 | 17:11 |
| joerg | re flu (vaccination): there's another relevant aspect to this: this year you might be short of luck if you actually catch flu and need ICU treatment but there's none available for you since all those covid-denial-idiots occupy the beds | 17:17 |
| joerg | so the risk _if_ you catch a flu is higher this year | 17:17 |
| joerg | in my book a good reason to minimize the chances you catch a flu, no? | 17:18 |
| joerg | lastshell: ^^^ | 17:18 |
| ndn[m] | projections on resource usage are about 50% this year vs last year | 17:21 |
| ndn[m] | https://covid19.healthdata.org/global?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources | 17:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): PROmotion of COvid-19 VA(X)Ccination in the Emergency Department - PROCOVAXED → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05142332 | 17:21 |
| darsie | qgirl: Are you vaccinated? | 17:27 |
| qgirl | i lied and said i wasn't vaccinated to get a booster shot before they even thought of booster shots because i am a genius | 17:28 |
| joerg | qgirl: hehe, I pondered that as well. Then it wasn't necessary | 17:34 |
| qgirl | why not necessary | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +23123 cases (now 2.7 million), +66 deaths (now 19974) since 23 hours ago | 17:35 |
| joerg | I been unusually late with my 1. and 2. shot, thanks to german organizational skills, so I received my booster a 4.5months after 2. shot, officially | 17:35 |
| qgirl | I'm going to get a fourth shot | 17:36 |
| joerg | you seem in a hurry? | 17:36 |
| qgirl | then I'm going to blow homeless people to make the vaccine and virus fight each other | 17:36 |
| joerg | unless you been a participant of phase3 studies, you can't be in need of a 4th shot yet | 17:37 |
| joerg | well, maybe if you're immuno-compromised | 17:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Immunogenicity and Safety of a Booster Vaccination With a Recombinant Protein RBD Candidate Vaccine Against the Virus That Cause COVID-19, Know as Severe Acute Respiratoy Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in Healthy Adults Volunteers Fully Vaccinated → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05142553 | 17:40 |
| qgirl | well i got my 4rth shot, joerg | 17:41 |
| qgirl | so you can suck my dick | 17:41 |
| lastshell | wtf 4th shot ? | 17:42 |
| joerg | I guess you're in here to troll. Insult and offensive speach not tolerated and not appreciated | 17:42 |
| lastshell | yeah this is a channel to discuss share things about covid no to troll | 17:43 |
| lastshell | is anyone here from Germany ? i hear they starting to not allow unvaccined people go to the stores | 17:48 |
| joerg | o/ | 17:48 |
| lastshell | do they have more restrictions this last days/weeks joerg ? | 17:48 |
| joerg | 2G (vaccinated | recovered from infection) in most shops - except groceries etc | 17:49 |
| lastshell | I see | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Safety and Immunogenicity of Recombinant Protein RBD Fusion Dimer Vaccine Against the Virus That Cause COVID-19, Known as Severe Acute Respiratoy Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05142514 | 17:50 |
| joerg | [2 Dec 2021 16:05:32] <Brainstorm> New from Politico: Germany imposes coronavirus lockdown for unvaccinated people: The country's fourth pandemic wave has slowed but 'on too high a level,' the chancellor said. → https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-imposes-coronavirus-lockdown-for-the-unvaccinated/ | 17:51 |
| lastshell | here in LAS we have mask mandate but you can see inside the stores like between 20% to 25% of the people inside the store not wearing masks | 17:51 |
| joerg | hah, we're germans ;-P Somebody obviously not obeying THE RULES is... a crime usually getting punished by instant lynching ;-D | 17:52 |
| joerg | honestly, usually people wear masks in shops here | 17:52 |
| lastshell | that is good | 17:53 |
| joerg | everybody frowns at you if you don't | 17:53 |
| joerg | and prolly you get kicked out of the shop immediately | 17:53 |
| joerg | but then, as soon as "the rules" are met, they brain stops working. Nobody cares if you waer the mask correctly, nobody actually tries to keep distance to others etc pp | 17:55 |
| joerg | there are even still idiots who think a "face windshield" was an appropriate alternative to a filter mask | 17:56 |
| joerg | meanwhile a rare sight, since the regulations explicitly specify the type of mask to waer | 17:57 |
| lastshell | ahh same here I see a couple of idits with face mask of plastic and I can see how the airflow goes up and down 0 logic | 17:58 |
| joerg | :nod: | 17:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +16810 cases (now 5.1 million), +72 deaths (now 134003), +679462 tests (now 120.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Monoclonal antibody (Sotrovimab; GSK) retains activity for Omicron mutations in lab tests against mutations found in Omicron (individual, pseudovirus system)biorxiv.org/content/10.110… pic.twitter.com/HHc2PuinZT → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1466453405082296328 | 18:09 |
| tomathy | when do you think COVID will be finished? | 18:21 |
| tomathy | when there are zero deaths? | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: South Africa new cases double in 24 hours as Omicron spreads → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-59503517 | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: Omicron Won’t Ruin Your Booster: If it doesn’t happen with this variant , it’ll happen with the next one, or maybe the next. Some version of this coronavirus is bound to flummox our vaccines. In the past two years, SARS-CoV-2 has hopscotched across the [... want %more?] → https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/12/covid-boosters-omicron-effective/620883/ | 18:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): On Omicron, for people with prior Covid but unvaccinated: “In our population…where many people have had previous infection, we believe that that previous infection doesn’t provide them with protection from infection due to Omicron”wsj.com/articles/scien… [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1466461844445433858 | 18:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): It would not be fantastic if the world had a system to respond to pandemics than just follow stats and wait and see? When we will learn that epidemics and pandemics need a quick response? twitter.com/BNODesk/status… → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1466467339680063505 | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Rapid work by @SACEMAdirector and colleagues to get this important data out. Exemplifies the top tier science coming from South Africa throughout the pandemicThanks to Dr.Juliet Pulliam and colleagues 🙏twitter.com/SACEMAdirector… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1466473004859158531 | 19:25 |
| Dredd | <de-facto> "Peter, isnt that what Greinacher..." <- I dunno | 19:28 |
| Jigsy | And all the Morons down in Moronville still don't wear masks. | 19:29 |
| Jigsy | I know people say you should wear masks to protect others. | 19:29 |
| Jigsy | But I'm pretty sure I wear masks because everyone around me is a moron and a liability. | 19:29 |
| Jigsy | </cynicsm> | 19:29 |
| Jigsy | cynicism* | 19:30 |
| Jigsy | >Britain records 53,945 COVID-19 cases, highest since July | 19:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +53608 cases (now 10.4 million), +142 deaths (now 145727) since 22 hours ago | 19:33 |
| lastshell | Jigsy Im sure UK has more omicron cases that they are aware off | 19:38 |
| Dredd | How is Germany going to enforce a lockdown of only unvaccinated people? | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): Final points:1) Vax-induced immunity works differently to prior-infection, and there’s reason to believe that with a heavily mutated variant, vax may fare better due to vax-induced antibodies’ ability to bind to more parts of the virus than [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1466480140305719299 | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +70988 cases (now 6.0 million), +355 deaths (now 102901) since 23 hours ago | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD 🧬 (@michaelzlin): Now the evidence. We all remember the NIH-sponsored heterologous boost study that measured antibody levels in people who got each of the 3 vaccines in the US, boosted by a single dose of any of the 3 vaccine types (9 combinations).pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34671773/ → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1466482655571197957 | 20:12 |
| joerg | Dredd: we have no lockdown (for unvaccinated), we got restrictions that for example forbid unvaxed people to enter shops, which in the end of the day results in a situation like a lockdown for unvaxed | 20:19 |
| LjL | joerg, but they can technically leave the home for non-essential things (like just having a long walk)? | 20:19 |
| joerg | yes | 20:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): @jburnmurdoch Thanks for sharing John. Hopefully vaccines will still offer strong protection against severe disease - and there’s good reason to think they will.The “it’s completely mild” takes don’t really stack up against this latest [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1466485166478614535 | 20:22 |
| joerg | actually I think one of the major mistakes in Germany is in communication/rationale: We should focus on necessities resulting from the situation, like we can't tolerate unvaccinated people in shops anymore. *Not* on "how do we _force_ people to get vaccinated" | 20:23 |
| joerg | I'd really prefer and I guess would see better effects from a >>sorry, dear unvaccinated people, we tried hard to avoid such inconvenience for you, but we must restrict access to shops to keep out the major source of infections<< | 20:27 |
| LjL | joerg, for someone in ##coronavirus, do you know the extent to which hospitals are being overloaded in Germany? | 20:27 |
| joerg | basically all are beyond the regular max on ICU, causing impact on regular elective surgeries as well as emergencies like strokes etc | 20:28 |
| joerg | you can say you better not need any surgery for e.g. cancer treatment right now, it's not possible at the moment, thanks to covid ICU load | 20:29 |
| joerg | this is true for majority though not _all_ hospitals in germany now | 20:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): One of our best strategies to counter the variants is the use of heterologous vaccines (aka mix and match). We're not doing that. But more and more data that it would help provide added immune protection:Just out @ScienceMagazine science.org/doi/10.1126/sc… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1466489419507146760 | 20:31 |
| joerg | LjL: was that the info you asked for? | 20:32 |
| LjL | joerg, yeah, thanks. he was basically unsure what the "unvaccinated lockdown" (yes i know it's not a lockdown) was for given that vaccinated people can still have the virus | 20:33 |
| joerg | :-) | 20:34 |
| joerg | vaccinated can have the virus, but less likely to have it, they spread it less when they got it and they almost never go to ICU and die from it | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +14500 cases (now 5.2 million), +42 deaths (now 88122) since a day ago | 20:36 |
| LjL | %title https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/02/some-experts-suggest-omicron-variant-may-have-evolved-in-an-animal-host/ | 20:36 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.statnews.com: Some experts believe Omicron variant may have evolved in an animal host | 20:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Carlos del Rio on Covid antivirals, an FDA conundrum, & the rise of Omicron: Will the first Covid-19 pill be all that useful? How worrisome is Omicron? And when will it be safe to congregate? All that and more on the latest episode of… → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/02/podcast-carlos-del-rio-covid-antivirals-fda-omicron/ | 20:41 |
| joerg | LjL: interesting | 20:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD 🧬 (@michaelzlin): Omicron may top our ability to prevent cases with current vaccines, but if it's not more inherently virulent then it's likely the memory B cells initiated by the vaccines would produce new antibodies to help clear the virus before severe disease as [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1466492320711200769 | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD 🧬 (@michaelzlin): That's why it's too early to be thinking about going to super-high levels of antibodies with additional boosts of the current vaccines (in case you were wondering). May not have much effect compared to the levels we have already. Best for now to [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1466492322783264769 | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Who would have thought?"Mask distribution and promotion was a scalable and effective method to reduce symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."science.org/doi/10.1126/sc… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1466498141042188292 | 21:09 |
| joerg | why "was"? | 21:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): These R values are higher than ever observed throughout the entire pandemic, and now results in superexponential spread (cf figure below, multinomial fit to GISAID sequence data mapped onto NICD case data, with weekday effects smoothed out). pic.twitter.com/kUXG5h0rya → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1466502123017887750 | 21:28 |
| xx | joerg: indeed. Not a single country in the world had mandatory masks. | 21:29 |
| joerg | hm? | 21:29 |
| xx | mandatory = if you're seen without one, you get shot | 21:29 |
| xx | or if you have it on improperly | 21:30 |
| xx | or if you have a fake mask | 21:30 |
| xx | etc. | 21:30 |
| xx | no country has the guts to do that | 21:30 |
| Arsanerit | It would seem that banning unvaccinated people from bookshops has more to do with pressuring people to get vaccinated (one step short of mandatory vaccinations) than with reducing infections. Bookshops are rarely crowded. | 21:30 |
| Arsanerit | things can be mandatory without shooting violators | 21:30 |
| xx | violators don't care about mandatory things unless it would put their life 100% in danger | 21:31 |
| xx | I've seen humans, haven't you? | 21:31 |
| joerg | well, it's a good thing no country hat the guts to shoot people on sight when they fail to wear a mask or whatever. I wouldn't want to live in any such country that would do | 21:31 |
| xx | I would love to live in such a country | 21:31 |
| xx | covid would already be over in it | 21:31 |
| Arsanerit | if we kill everyone covid is also over | 21:32 |
| xx | true, that could be the next step if actually mandatory masks would not work | 21:32 |
| joerg | s/hat/had/ | 21:32 |
| xx | but no need to resort to drastic measures like killing everyone without exhausing options like killing only non-mask-wearers first | 21:32 |
| Arsanerit | xx: Are you doing satire? | 21:33 |
| joerg | no clue here either | 21:34 |
| xx | Arsanerit: by now, only part-way | 21:34 |
| xx | it's been 2 years, and people still don't cover their nose with a mask - how do you interpret that? | 21:35 |
| joerg | re >>These R values are higher than ever...<< it's still a pity nobody in control really ever looked at R | 21:35 |
| xx | or they take off the mask when they want to speak | 21:35 |
| xx | and none of these things have ever been punished anywhere | 21:35 |
| joerg | that's nonsense | 21:35 |
| joerg | here not wearing a mask where needed gets punished | 21:36 |
| joerg | just not by shooting people | 21:36 |
| joerg | and not always, alas | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Moderna vaccine a bit better against COVID-19 than Pfizer, study finds: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Dec 02, 2021 A researcher notes: "Both vaccines are incredibly effective, with only rare breakthrough cases." → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/12/moderna-vaccine-bit-better-against-covid-19-pfizer-study-finds | 21:38 |
| xx | joerg: really? I've never seen a cop issue a fine for not having nose covered. At best they just warn them and people comply. | 21:38 |
| xx | but by then they have already spread it onto others | 21:38 |
| Arsanerit | People around here are wearing their masks well enough mostly. | 21:38 |
| xx | similarly if they take it off to speak, they just get warned to put it back on | 21:38 |
| xx | Arsanerit: it only takes 1 person to bring it across continents | 21:39 |
| Arsanerit | masks suck for deaf people who rely on lip-reading | 21:39 |
| xx | I don't want to live in a society where what we can do is determined by the what the most vulnerable can do | 21:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from ScienceNews: Merck’s COVID-19 pill may soon be here. How well will it work?: Once hailed as a potential game changer, more complete data now reveal drawbacks of Merck’s antiviral COVID-19 pill, molnupiravir. → https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-pill-merck-molnupiravir-antiviral-fda | 21:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +48445 cases (now 7.9 million), +103 deaths (now 120311) since 19 hours ago — United Kingdom: +53341 cases (now 10.4 million) since 22 hours ago | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): “Even getting a sequencing machine to a lot of these countries is an absolute logistical nightmare, and we have not done a whole bunch in this pandemic to try and support more global sequencing surveillance,” Hodcroft saidvox.com/22807542/omicr… → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1466527434610823172 | 23:04 |
| xx | they've had two years (and more if you consider all the other infectious diseases), clearly there are other priorities for those with power to change things | 23:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: First Malaria Vaccine a Major Milestone Despite Hurdles Ahead: The four-dose vaccine, advanced by landmark COVID-19 prevention efforts, is an achievement that scientists have been painstakingly working toward for decades. → https://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/news/20211202/malaria-vaccine-milestone-hurdles | 23:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +3200 cases (now 34.6 million) since 17 hours ago — Bangladesh: +261 cases (now 1.6 million), +3 deaths (now 27986), +21057 tests (now 10.9 million) since a day ago | 23:36 |
| LjL | joerg, "was" because it's a study on deployment that has happened | 23:42 |
| LjL | that's how a finding is presented | 23:42 |
| LjL | xx, i'd rather we don't champion killing anyone in this channel | 23:43 |
| xx | that's fair | 23:43 |
| xx | hopefully my anger is at least a little bit understandable and I'm not just an outlying psycho | 23:44 |
| LjL | we're all frustrated with how things aren't changing even in the face of repeated failures | 23:44 |
| LjL | i think everyone has thought sometimes "x or y should just be shot" | 23:45 |
| LjL | but it's scary when it turns from a kneejerk reaction to an injustice, into something that is actually proposed as a uh, final solution | 23:45 |
| xx | right | 23:45 |
| xx | well, anyone have at least some good news recently about the whole covid thing? | 23:46 |
| LjL | not really, but i'm a negative person, i am great at filtering only bad things | 23:46 |
| LjL | however, someone gave me what he said was "maybe good news" | 23:46 |
| LjL | and he was disappointed when i reacted to it by saying "media shouldn't say that stuff, because we don't know" and said he needed some good news | 23:47 |
| LjL | i still think it's not good to have "fake" good news, and i think an article that got published... 7 hours after the first one... made my point | 23:47 |
| LjL | check this one out https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-emerging-picture-from-south-africa-suggests-omicron-variant-could-be-real-cause-for-concern-12484064 | 23:48 |
| LjL | it says, after the headline below the first picture: | 23:48 |
| LjL | "Don't be distracted by headlines saying the Omicron variant might be less deadly than Delta. More worrying pictures are starting to emerge from South Africa." | 23:48 |
| xx | right, when I ask for good news, I mean actually good news and none of those "feel good" good news. Sadly those "feel good" good news just result in people not caring about the rona anymore and ignoring all recommendations "because media said it's all good now" | 23:48 |
| LjL | well, guess who had just published such a headline you shouldn't be distracted by? | 23:48 |
| LjL | https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-most-omicron-cases-are-mild-and-theres-no-evidence-to-suggest-vaccines-may-be-less-effective-against-the-variant-says-who-12483729 | 23:49 |
| LjL | this is the article that my friend linked | 23:49 |
| ndn[m] | as noted earlier, the pressure on hospital resources is half what it was this time last year. you just have to stumble across this sort of thing yourself though, because its not the story being promoted (or at least i've not seen it) | 23:49 |
| LjL | presumed "good news" followed by bad news *from the same source* that say "don't get distracted by the good news... that we just published. they're wrong" | 23:49 |
| LjL | *real* good news are precious little things | 23:49 |
| LjL | ndn[m], i know that is true, i just struggle to see it as "good news" because i view it as "it's not as bad as last year, though it's still bad", but i believe that's more part of my problem with being negative than it being an objective fact | 23:50 |
| xx | I'm led to believe that those who were most vulnerable to the virus, and had a lifestyle that made it likely they'd catch it, have already died last year - and that's why it pressure on hospitals is lower at this time compared to same time last year | 23:51 |
| LjL | what gets me mad though is the complacency. it's not as bad as last year *so* we can be content with the vaccines we have... instead of developing (quickly!) vaccines for Alpha, Beta, Delta... until an Omicron comes along. really the trials for variant-specific vaccines, and potentially sterilizing vaccines like intranasal ones, have started ages ago, but i think they're just not being funded, because governments are "happier" just buying more Pfizer | 23:51 |
| LjL | (i don't think it's a coincidence that Pfizer's line is that the current vaccine will probably work, while Moderna which is smaller and more agile says the vaccine may NOT work but they are ready to come up with a variant vaccine) | 23:52 |
| LjL | xx, i believe that is not true and it's mostly thanks to the vaccine | 23:52 |
| xx | that definitely has a large part in it too, true | 23:52 |
| LjL | it's old good news by now | 23:54 |
| LjL | but the "Pfizer pill" looks pretty damn good | 23:54 |
| xx | but I've recently been comparing it to the whole situation in africa, where vulnerable people simply don't reach adulthood and similarly don't reach old-age, and that's why the rona is not as bad there | 23:54 |
| LjL | i'm somewhat surprised as i realized it's not being talked about now, after the first couple of days | 23:54 |
| LjL | has it gotten EUA yet? (i suppose not) | 23:54 |
| xx | even with <10% vaccination rate I believe | 23:54 |
| LjL | xx, yes, but in western countries, although there has definitely already been an impact on the calculated life expectancy, there's still a large number of elderly and/or vulnerable people | 23:55 |
| LjL | they might not all have a lifestyle that makes it *very* likely they'll catch it, but anyone can catch it unless they literally bunker in | 23:55 |
| LjL | my parents are over 70 and have high blood pressure, they simply haven't caught it last year, if they *did* catch it now, they'd be at risk (at least presuming low vaccine efficacy, of course they're vaccinated, though with AZ) | 23:56 |
| LjL | %title https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1466136354308476939 | 23:59 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From twitter.com: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): "NEW: updated chart showing today’s numbers from Gauteng in South Africa: • Now with test positivity, for those who have asked whether this is driven by increased testing • And stating in the title that hospital admissions are a lagging indicator, as many have requested" | All the movies are marvel slop made by pedophiles | 23:59 |
| LjL | what | 23:59 |
| LjL | it's the second time i see Brainstorm adding that pedophile thing to a title, first time i didn't pay attention | 23:59 |
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