| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +2026 cases (now 5.1 million), +51 deaths (now 129107), +37335 tests (now 28.6 million) since a day ago | 00:10 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for El Salvador: +819 cases (now 120622) since 15 hours ago — Guyana: +101 cases (now 38554), +4 deaths (now 1020), +2869 tests (now 404841) since 2 days ago | 00:35 |
| sdfgsdfg | vaccination rollout in uk looks really sad, 69% double dose and 30% three dose | 00:41 |
| sdfgsdfg | are there any academic papers on why 2 doses reduce the antibodies and 3 doses increase it against omicron ? | 00:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: COVID-19 mRNA vaccine may trigger subacute thyroiditis → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rf1id5/covid19_mrna_vaccine_may_trigger_subacute/ | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 11786) since a day ago | 01:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Australia: +1807 cases (now 230749), +2 deaths (now 2106) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +16627 cases (now 2.9 million) since 20 hours ago | 01:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): With nearly 5 million children getting COVID vaccines, no safety problems have been seen, CDC director says abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-dir… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1470187978299527174 | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: South Korea to test AI-powered facial recognition to track COVID-19 cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rf2qju/south_korea_to_test_aipowered_facial_recognition/ | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Boris Johnson urges boosters as U.K. faces 'tidal wave' of omicron infections → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rf37tx/boris_johnson_urges_boosters_as_uk_faces_tidal/ | 02:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gambia: +36 cases (now 10034), +588 tests (now 126559) since 6 days ago | 02:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): Er is nu echter nog een veel te kleine proportie van Omicron infecties onder de 60 plussers om directe evidentie te hebben over het risico op ernstige ziekte bij die groep. Indirecte schattingen gebaseerd op de mate van immune escape zoals in de studie boven [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1470206871588028423 | 02:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Efficient mucosal antibody response to SARS-CoV-2 vaccination is induced in previously infected individuals → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rf4cfx/efficient_mucosal_antibody_response_to_sarscov2/ | 03:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Venezuela: +796 cases (now 438683), +5 deaths (now 5239) since 22 hours ago | 03:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Omicron appears to be spreading faster in the UK than in South Africa, experts say → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rf5tnj/omicron_appears_to_be_spreading_faster_in_the_uk/ | 05:12 |
| minthos | if omicron doesn't cause loss of smell maybe it also doesn't cause long covid of the brain | 05:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +17115 cases (now 6.5 million) since 19 hours ago — India: +3718 cases (now 34.7 million), +202 deaths (now 475636), +2045151 tests (now 656.7 million) since 6 hours ago | 05:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: South African President Cyril Ramaphosa contracts Covid-19 as infections reach record high → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/south-african-president-cyril-ramaphosa-contracts-covid-19-as-infections-reach-record-high-7669815/ | 05:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists use ostrich cells to make glowing Covid detection masks. Japanese researchers have developed masks that use ostrich antibodies to detect Covid-19 by glowing under ultraviolet light.The discovery could provide for low-cost testing of [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rf7exs/scientists_use_ostrich_cells_to_make_glowing/ | 05:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Boris Johnson: UK faces ‘tidal wave’ of omicron cases → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/boris-johnson-uk-faces-tidal-wave-of-omicron-cases-7669830/ | 06:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Emilia-Romagna, Italy: +1972 cases (now 474585), +14 deaths (now 13907) since 23 hours ago — Lazio, Italy: +1965 cases (now 442884), +3 deaths (now 9073) since 23 hours ago — Bryansk, Russia: +237 cases (now 92368), +23 deaths (now 2537) since 23 hours ago — Buryatia, Russia: +237 cases (now 72329), +5 deaths (now 2264) since 23 hours ago | 06:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: "Tidal Wave" Of Omicron Is Coming, Warns UK PM, Sets Booster Target → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rf8l77/tidal_wave_of_omicron_is_coming_warns_uk_pm_sets/ | 08:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Joyful moment or risky move? Europe divided over kids' vaccines → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rf9hnc/joyful_moment_or_risky_move_europe_divided_over/ | 08:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): US COVID-19 deaths reach 800,000: submitted by /u/OliverMarkusMalloy to r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/rfa68f/us_covid19_deaths_reach_800000/ | 08:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): On @BBCBreakfast just now @sajidjavid confirmed there are 10 people in hospital in the UK with Omicron, with no known deaths so far. He’s not aware of any death in South Africa directly linked to Omicron, but says hospitalisations are “huge” and [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1470297216350883841 | 08:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: John Ioannidis and the Carl Sagan effect in science communication about COVID-19: We have been critical about John Ioannidis over a number of his statements about the COVID-19 pandemic. Now he's done it again, producing a poor-quality paper [... want %more?] → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/john-ioannidis-and-the-carl-sagan-effect-in-science-communication/ | 09:07 |
| Guest47 | Day 7 of covid: my first negative LFT !!!! | 09:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Britain says Omicron accounts for 40% of London infections → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rfang6/britain_says_omicron_accounts_for_40_of_london/ | 09:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | Guest47 do you know, do they tell you if it's omicron or delta ? | 09:19 |
| Guest47 | no because i didnt do the pcr test | 09:20 |
| sdfgsdfg | so you feel better now ? sounds like you had a mild, average case | 09:20 |
| Guest47 | i've been feeling well for 3 days | 09:21 |
| Guest47 | is it true that the virus is stronger in the afternoon? | 09:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bihar, India: +23 cases (now 726319) since 23 hours ago — Madhya Pradesh, India: +21 cases (now 793358) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +17116 cases (now 6.5 million) since 22 hours ago | 09:30 |
| summonner | yeah it benches in the morning 220 but 280 by the afternoon | 09:32 |
| Guest47 | I mean it's better to do a second test in the afternoon ? | 09:34 |
| Guest47 | as this could be a false negative ? | 09:34 |
| MerlinMp[m] | I would say fever and symptoms are stronger but I doubt if ab level changes | 09:37 |
| Guest47 | Ok let's tomorrow i have another negative test. It will have been 8 days. Would it be irresponsible to break isolation? | 09:38 |
| minthos | talking out of my ass here but I doubt it, the body has an internal clock that influences body temperature, metabolism, hormone levels etc and all that could influence immune function and the rate at which the virus reproduces but I think any difference is going to be small | 09:38 |
| minthos | false negatives happen but I've never heard of it being related to time of day | 09:40 |
| Guest47 | I can't wait to go out and spread... my happiness which is ... contageous and... infectious. | 09:43 |
| lastshell | Guest47 if you don't mind how old and fat are you ? | 09:52 |
| Guest47 | lastshell yes and yes | 09:52 |
| Guest47 | Mid 50s, BMI ok but still some belly | 09:52 |
| lastshell | thank you Guest47 | 09:56 |
| Diogenese_ | is this where people come to discuss the common cold? | 09:57 |
| lastshell | and you are vaxxed Guest47 ? | 09:57 |
| Guest47 | lastshell double jabbed | 09:57 |
| lastshell | got it | 09:57 |
| Guest47 | I was going to book my booster but am not sure what to do now. | 09:58 |
| lastshell | is like you got a natural booster | 09:58 |
| Diogenese_ | unless you got the placebo, there's no going back now | 09:58 |
| Diogenese_ | in for a penny, in for a pound | 09:58 |
| Diogenese_ | did anyone bother to tell you this is an ongoing medical experiment, before they shot you up? | 09:59 |
| Diogenese_ | you know, fuyll disclosure? | 09:59 |
| Guest47 | oh dear | 09:59 |
| Diogenese_ | full | 09:59 |
| Diogenese_ | not that you can sue anyone | 09:59 |
| lastshell | Diogenese let me guess you think bill gates is behind covid ? | 09:59 |
| Diogenese_ | I never said that | 09:59 |
| Diogenese_ | do you know what a corona virus is? | 10:00 |
| Guest47 | yes, it is giant medical experiment funded by the illuminati and jewish bankers | 10:00 |
| Diogenese_ | it's the common cold | 10:00 |
| lastshell | haha | 10:00 |
| Guest47 | and the communists | 10:00 |
| Diogenese_ | nobody has ever invented a vaccine for the common cold, probably because it changes ever 24 hours | 10:00 |
| lastshell | Sure bill gates want you microchip Diogense ... | 10:00 |
| Diogenese_ | you're talking about some guy, I'm talking about corona viruses | 10:01 |
| Diogenese_ | apples and oranges | 10:01 |
| lastshell | covid is not common cold my friend | 10:01 |
| Diogenese_ | it very much is | 10:01 |
| lastshell | sars also is common cold ? | 10:02 |
| Diogenese_ | you clearly don;t know what you;re talking about | 10:02 |
| lastshell | (talking about sars1) | 10:02 |
| Diogenese_ | yes | 10:02 |
| Diogenese_ | sars is patented | 10:02 |
| Diogenese_ | do you know what that means? | 10:02 |
| Diogenese_ | you cannot patent something that occurs naturally | 10:02 |
| lastshell | that you are wearing a tin foil hat ? | 10:02 |
| Diogenese_ | the patents are freely available for anyone to see | 10:03 |
| Guest47 | possibly an asbesto hat | 10:03 |
| Diogenese_ | this isn't roscket science | 10:03 |
| Diogenese_ | you can't patent something God invented | 10:03 |
| Guest47 | I lost you at God | 10:03 |
| Diogenese_ | that's the International Courts ruling on patent law | 10:03 |
| Diogenese_ | yes, you are lost | 10:04 |
| Diogenese_ | sars was invented by some geek in a lab and a pharmaceutical company owns it | 10:05 |
| lastshell | Sorry not eager to feed trolls today | 10:05 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ I appreciate your humility and corteusness. You definitely know how to win arguments, you tiger! | 10:05 |
| Diogenese_ | so was AIDS | 10:05 |
| Diogenese_ | argument? | 10:05 |
| Diogenese_ | don;t flatter yourselves | 10:05 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ what's it like to live in your mom's basement? | 10:05 |
| Diogenese_ | wow, I feel like I'm back in elementary school again | 10:06 |
| Diogenese_ | that was a real bon mot | 10:06 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ when did it all go wrong with the other sex? | 10:06 |
| Diogenese_ | do you practice your wit in front of a mirror? | 10:06 |
| minthos | Diogenese_: I recommend ##coronavirus I think they are more open to conspiracy nuts | 10:06 |
| Diogenese_ | I only deal in facts thanks | 10:06 |
| Diogenese_ | everything I have said is a matter of record | 10:06 |
| Diogenese_ | do these facts make you uncomfortable? | 10:07 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ please show us salvation | 10:07 |
| Guest47 | and salivation | 10:07 |
| Diogenese_ | you can lead a horse to water | 10:07 |
| lastshell | do not feed the trolls | 10:07 |
| Guest47 | You speak te truth | 10:07 |
| Diogenese_ | your projection is showing | 10:07 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ your a genius and the world is not ready for you | 10:08 |
| Diogenese_ | you are* | 10:08 |
| Diogenese_ | coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment | 10:08 |
| Guest47 | please show us your the messiah by dying on the cross | 10:08 |
| Diogenese_ | please show us your stunning grammar | 10:09 |
| Diogenese_ | you're | 10:09 |
| lastshell | https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/covid-19-cold-flu-and-allergies-differences/art-20503981 | 10:09 |
| Diogenese_ | how fucking dumb are you? | 10:09 |
| Guest47 | Whe do i send the cheque for your religion | 10:09 |
| Diogenese_ | the mayo clinic heheh | 10:09 |
| Guest47 | Please state your fulll postal address and proof of identity | 10:09 |
| lastshell | https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/do-i-have-covid-or-a-cold-how-to-tell-the-difference | 10:09 |
| Diogenese_ | even the Lancet has shown to be susceptible to printing lies these days | 10:10 |
| Diogenese_ | the mayo certainly isn't the Lancet | 10:10 |
| lastshell | https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm | 10:10 |
| Guest47 | i don't like mayo. it makes me fat | 10:10 |
| Diogenese_ | I don;t have an address, I'm not on the ship | 10:10 |
| lastshell | haha love that comment Guest47 | 10:10 |
| Diogenese_ | simple things amuse simple minds lastshell | 10:10 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ i don't know what you are taking but can i have some? | 10:11 |
| Diogenese_ | of course you don't | 10:11 |
| Diogenese_ | a wise man's words are full of compassion while the words from the lips of a fool swallow him up | 10:12 |
| Guest47 | Halleluja | 10:12 |
| * lastshell silence is wisdom | 10:13 | |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ just say no to drugs | 10:13 |
| Diogenese_ | https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine/about-our-landmark-trial | 10:13 |
| Diogenese_ | how about from the horse's mouth? | 10:13 |
| Guest47 | You can be redeeemed | 10:13 |
| Diogenese_ | still don;t believe me? | 10:14 |
| Diogenese_ | they are telling you to your face | 10:14 |
| Guest47 | Why shouldn't i | 10:14 |
| Guest47 | YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH | 10:14 |
| Diogenese_ | I just posted pfizers own fucking web site | 10:14 |
| Diogenese_ | are you really this obtuse? | 10:14 |
| Guest47 | Where do i get the koolaid, Jim? | 10:15 |
| lastshell | that webside didn't said was common cold | 10:15 |
| Diogenese_ | it's an experiment | 10:15 |
| lastshell | plese share the mushrooms or go | 10:15 |
| Diogenese_ | I told you that from the beginning and you laughed | 10:15 |
| Guest47 | yeah but what about the pleasure of posting a random link? | 10:15 |
| Diogenese_ | have fun being a medical experiment | 10:15 |
| Diogenese_ | you know if they actually do manage to modify your genetics, they'll own you | 10:16 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ comedy gold | 10:16 |
| lastshell | let me guess you are bad in math | 10:16 |
| Diogenese_ | those court cases were settled a decade ago | 10:16 |
| Guest47 | also bad in meth | 10:16 |
| lastshell | ahahah | 10:16 |
| Diogenese_ | would it make you feel better if I did drugs? | 10:16 |
| lastshell | lol | 10:16 |
| Guest47 | and bad in breath | 10:16 |
| Diogenese_ | how mentally stable does that make you? | 10:16 |
| Guest47 | not much really | 10:16 |
| Guest47 | I've got all sorts of mental health shit | 10:17 |
| Diogenese_ | the two of you put together must be almost the same age as an adult | 10:17 |
| Guest47 | but at least I'm aware | 10:17 |
| lastshell | Imagine been son "smart" that you decide to go an troll people in a irc channel, does not compute | 10:17 |
| Guest47 | are you saying there are trolls on irc? | 10:17 |
| Diogenese_ | aware? you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means | 10:17 |
| Diogenese_ | two trolls telling me I'm trolling | 10:18 |
| Guest47 | Why should i not believe a random guy on 'tinternet? | 10:18 |
| Diogenese_ | that's cute | 10:18 |
| Diogenese_ | believe pfizer retard | 10:18 |
| Diogenese_ | since you took their shit | 10:18 |
| Diogenese_ | how fucking dumb are you top let someone just shoot you up with some mystery shit? | 10:18 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ are you saying that 4 real or just to please me? | 10:18 |
| Diogenese_ | yeah, at point in time did anyone ever think it was a good idea to listen to government anyhow? | 10:19 |
| lastshell | Diogenese_ plese don't assume everything you read in your FB groups is real | 10:19 |
| Diogenese_ | when the fuck did this even become a thing? | 10:19 |
| Diogenese_ | I'm not allowed on the social cancer | 10:19 |
| Diogenese_ | and I'm happy with that arrangement | 10:19 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ INSURRECTION!!! Have you stacked up your guns? | 10:19 |
| Diogenese_ | I don;t think stacking is the prefered method of storage for firearms | 10:20 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ which school are you going to do some random shooting at? | 10:20 |
| Diogenese_ | do you think that sort of thing is a good idea? | 10:20 |
| Diogenese_ | just wondering why you would suggest something heinous | 10:21 |
| Diogenese_ | are you ok mentally? | 10:21 |
| Guest47 | I dont but you probably do | 10:21 |
| Diogenese_ | do you need a hug? | 10:21 |
| lastshell | where are moderators when we need it ? | 10:21 |
| Guest47 | fuck no from you | 10:21 |
| Diogenese_ | would you like me to get a doll and you could show me oin it where the internet hurt you? | 10:21 |
| Guest47 | lastshell why? It's harmless fun | 10:21 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ no please dont . I know you are omnipotent | 10:22 |
| Diogenese_ | yeah, you two chuckleheads can't even gang up on one guy | 10:22 |
| lastshell | is like a virus can spread if you don't control | 10:22 |
| Guest47 | I FEAR YOU | 10:22 |
| Diogenese_ | didn;t exactly bring your A game | 10:22 |
| Guest47 | I dont like game but love pork | 10:22 |
| lastshell | everybody loves pork | 10:22 |
| Guest47 | lastshell somebody in the middle east migt disagree but whatevah | 10:23 |
| Diogenese_ | haven't found anything that doesn't go well with bacon yet | 10:23 |
| Guest47 | a vegan girlfriend that's what doesnt go well with bacon | 10:24 |
| Diogenese_ | don't worry pal, I'm not going to take your bs personally. you've made a choice in life and it's going to have consequences. I'm not happy about what's going to happen to all you people | 10:24 |
| Guest47 | Amen! | 10:25 |
| lastshell | everything has consequences mild shock! | 10:25 |
| Diogenese_ | when it dawns on you, if it doesn, you're going to be angry and you have every right to be, but you should direct that at those who actually did this to you | 10:25 |
| Guest47 | EGO NON SUM DIGNUS | 10:25 |
| Diogenese_ | the bucket of crabs always likes to kill the messenger | 10:26 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ i really like your understatement | 10:26 |
| Diogenese_ | which one? | 10:26 |
| Guest47 | never mind | 10:27 |
| Diogenese_ | that's what I thought | 10:27 |
| Diogenese_ | it should have dawned on everyone when they started using threats | 10:27 |
| Diogenese_ | if they have to use threats, guess what, it's not in your better interests | 10:28 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ i dont blame you. I blame the bullies at primary school that made you drop out | 10:28 |
| Diogenese_ | cute | 10:28 |
| Diogenese_ | I fought them all | 10:29 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ there is salvation for you, but not in this life. Sorry. | 10:29 |
| Diogenese_ | only the one guy who was held back 4 years came back for seconds and thirds etc | 10:29 |
| Diogenese_ | he was a little fucking dense | 10:29 |
| lastshell | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-12/south-africa-has-record-37-875-daily-covid-cases-amid-omicron | 10:30 |
| Diogenese_ | you're not one to be diuscussing salvation buddy | 10:30 |
| Diogenese_ | you got a bad attitude | 10:30 |
| Diogenese_ | and low self esteem | 10:30 |
| Diogenese_ | not a good combo | 10:30 |
| Diogenese_ | the moronic strain | 10:30 |
| lastshell | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-death-toll-us-b1974579.html | 10:30 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ please don't unleash your heavenly wrath upon me | 10:31 |
| Diogenese_ | that's going to be on all sorts of idiots toe tags | 10:31 |
| Guest47 | I'm a poor sinner | 10:31 |
| Diogenese_ | died of moronic | 10:31 |
| p0indexter | yawn | 10:31 |
| Diogenese_ | how ignominious | 10:31 |
| Diogenese_ | your hubris is disturbing | 10:31 |
| Guest47 | i'm just a vagabond in this valley of tears and pain | 10:31 |
| Diogenese_ | are you the product of a single mother constantly abusing you? | 10:32 |
| Guest47 | no i hoovered the hubris yesterday | 10:32 |
| Diogenese_ | you talk like someone who had no father | 10:32 |
| Diogenese_ | or what we call bastards | 10:32 |
| Diogenese_ | they are easy to spot | 10:32 |
| Diogenese_ | it's rough growing up without a dad\ | 10:32 |
| Guest47 | no, it's ok | 10:32 |
| Diogenese_ | the handicaps are obvious | 10:32 |
| Diogenese_ | socially inept | 10:33 |
| Guest47 | nobody is perfect | 10:33 |
| Diogenese_ | overblwon sense of selse | 10:33 |
| Guest47 | apart from you | 10:33 |
| Diogenese_ | not too bright | 10:33 |
| Guest47 | salsa? | 10:33 |
| Diogenese_ | always overcompensating | 10:33 |
| Diogenese_ | to maskl the insecurity | 10:33 |
| Guest47 | yuo are smothering me in compliments | 10:33 |
| Diogenese_ | totall facade | 10:33 |
| p0indexter | project | 10:33 |
| Diogenese_ | kids might buy your bullshit | 10:34 |
| Diogenese_ | but I'm far too old for that | 10:34 |
| lastshell | this channel is to discuss coronavirus pandemic / endemic not to self masturbation Diogenese_ | 10:34 |
| Diogenese_ | and heres p0indexter to cheer you on | 10:34 |
| Guest47 | what a remarkably polite language. Did you learn that in prison or in public toilets? | 10:34 |
| Diogenese_ | that's rich since you had no interest in the corona discussion to being with | 10:34 |
| Diogenese_ | you want me to sink down to your level so yuou can relate? | 10:35 |
| Guest47 | yes please sink | 10:35 |
| Diogenese_ | crawl i n the gutter alongside you? | 10:35 |
| lastshell | if you assume covid is cold you are wrong | 10:35 |
| Diogenese_ | I told you a corona virus is a common cold | 10:35 |
| Diogenese_ | and influenza | 10:35 |
| Diogenese_ | and sars | 10:35 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ you have a bad influenza on me | 10:36 |
| Diogenese_ | they've been around since the dawn of man except for the manmade varieties | 10:36 |
| Diogenese_ | apparently now we all gotta get stabbe4d to make it in this world | 10:36 |
| * Diogenese_ chuckles | 10:36 | |
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| Guest47 | earthquakes are just experiments | 10:36 |
| Diogenese_ | yeah, seismic activity off the charts because the sun is in a grand minimum | 10:36 |
| lastshell | Diogenese_ why all mayor clinical institutions around the world are saying covid is not cold ? | 10:37 |
| Diogenese_ | it always happens in grand minimums | 10:37 |
| Diogenese_ | as documendted through the ages | 10:37 |
| Diogenese_ | those who don;t remember the past are the idiots wondering what's going on now | 10:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | wow whats going on I missed it all | 10:37 |
| Diogenese_ | you didn't miss much | 10:38 |
| lastshell | a wacko joined the channel sdfgsdfg | 10:38 |
| Diogenese_ | coming from a fool that doesn;t really hurt me any | 10:38 |
| Guest47 | do humans share dna with Diogenese_ ? | 10:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | we should hear everyones argument :P | 10:38 |
| Diogenese_ | I can promise you that your definition of human and my definition of human aren't on the same page | 10:39 |
| lastshell | sdfgsdfg he claims covid is common cold and we are a big experiment | 10:39 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ is it a promise? | 10:39 |
| Diogenese_ | https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine/about-our-landmark-trial | 10:39 |
| Diogenese_ | according to pfiozer you are | 10:39 |
| Diogenese_ | I don;t get paid to think | 10:39 |
| lastshell | life is a big experiment regadless | 10:40 |
| sdfgsdfg | mate you could just say the big pharma is too motivated about their profits with their early media claims that's the best you can play for from that corner | 10:40 |
| Diogenese_ | that's true but I fail to see the comparisson | 10:40 |
| Guest47 | in the case of Diogenese_ the experiment failed | 10:40 |
| Diogenese_ | oh yeah, their profits are fucking huge | 10:40 |
| Guest47 | but try again next time | 10:40 |
| Diogenese_ | even if people actually manage to sue them they'll still make tens of billions in profit every quarter | 10:40 |
| Diogenese_ | are your cheap shots supposed to impress someone? | 10:41 |
| Diogenese_ | I hope someone in the audience finds you partially amusing just for your self esteem's sake | 10:41 |
| Guest47 | Diogenese_ don't worry you'll undestand when you grow up | 10:41 |
| Diogenese_ | you get points for persistence | 10:41 |
| lastshell | you know that Pfizer is only one corp with covid vaccine right ? there are other corporations with covid vaccine wake up Diogense_ | 10:42 |
| Diogenese_ | morew projection | 10:42 |
| Diogenese_ | from the fatherless kid | 10:42 |
| Diogenese_ | I'm sorry your mom was a whote | 10:42 |
| Diogenese_ | whore | 10:42 |
| Guest47 | how do you i'm a kid. I could be a monkey or a banana | 10:42 |
| Diogenese_ | there's a lot of that going round these days | 10:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health: We have enough Covid vaccines for most of the world. But rich countries are stockpiling more than they need for boosters → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/13/we-have-enough-covid-vaccines-for-most-of-world-but-rich-countries-stockpiling-more-than-they-need/ | 10:42 |
| Diogenese_ | how do I know? | 10:42 |
| Diogenese_ | you;re kidding right | 10:42 |
| Diogenese_ | I was on irc 25 years ago | 10:43 |
| Diogenese_ | I've seen it all before kid | 10:43 |
| Guest47 | kidding is another word for paedofilia | 10:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline-by-age?country=DEU~GBR | 10:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | .title | 10:43 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From ourworldindata.org: Excess mortality: Deaths from all causes compared to projection based on previous years, by age - Our World in Data | 10:43 |
| Diogenese_ | brings back childhood memories i IMAGINE | 10:43 |
| Guest47 | what's irc isn't this tik tok? | 10:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | check this out | 10:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | guys | 10:43 |
| lastshell | sdfgsdfg wow spike in 0-14 ? | 10:44 |
| * Diogenese_ steps out for a smoke | 10:44 | |
| Guest47 | The problem is I'm surronded by people like Diogenese_ in real life, only with much better grammar skills | 10:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Here's a reminder that mRNA isn't magic - and a reminder that we all were very, very fortunate that the technology worked as well as it has during the pandemic. Moderna's RNA flu vaccine science.org/content/blog-p… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1470329903958609923 | 10:52 |
| Diogenese_ | you're not even qualified to discuss grammar | 10:53 |
| Diogenese_ | they stopped teaching it long before you were born but at least my teacher were taught grammar so we were damn well going to know grammar as well | 10:53 |
| Diogenese_ | grammar is what keeps you in slavery | 10:54 |
| Diogenese_ | because you are illiterate | 10:54 |
| Diogenese_ | in the land of the blind the one eyed man is kind | 10:54 |
| Diogenese_ | and the one eyed man sure as hell doesn;t want you plebs being able to think for yourselves | 10:54 |
| Diogenese_ | "We will find or cause something, a pandemic targeting certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the elderly or the fat, it doesn't matter, the weak will succumb to it, the scared and stupid will believe it and seek treatment. <...> We will make sure that the treatment is in place, the treatment that will be the solution. <...> Thus, the selection of idiots will be made independently: < ... > < ... | 10:56 |
| Diogenese_ | > they will go to the slaughter themselves." Jaques Attali 1981 | 10:56 |
| Diogenese_ | the president of France while Francois Mitterande was pretending to be president | 10:56 |
| Diogenese_ | that book was published in 1981 | 10:56 |
| Diogenese_ | what's going on right now is an IQ test | 10:56 |
| Diogenese_ | and unfortunately for most people, their's is going to come back, "negative" | 10:57 |
| Diogenese_ | what are all of these people with their digital fiats going to do if the power goes out? | 11:06 |
| Diogenese_ | do they think someone is going to take a thumbdrive in exchange for actual valuable goods? | 11:06 |
| Diogenese_ | is that the theory? | 11:07 |
| lastshell | how covid is comond cold and related to crypto ? | 11:08 |
| Diogenese_ | never said they were, you seem averse to discussing the current medical experiment/euthanasia program | 11:08 |
| Diogenese_ | just noticing all the crypto channels on this net was all | 11:09 |
| Diogenese_ | video game money is hilarious | 11:09 |
| lastshell | I told you about the other pharmas you didn't said anything only pfizer | 11:09 |
| Diogenese_ | yeah pfizer is only the biggest one so I pulled it up | 11:09 |
| Diogenese_ | all the others are the same | 11:09 |
| Diogenese_ | you don;t even want to believe pfizer themself | 11:10 |
| Diogenese_ | stockholm much? | 11:10 |
| Diogenese_ | I'm not taking any joy from anyone's predicament | 11:10 |
| Diogenese_ | this doesn't make me happy | 11:10 |
| Diogenese_ | I'm not he3re to rub anyones nose in it | 11:10 |
| Diogenese_ | this is the biggest crime to have ever taken place in my entire life and I've seen some big crimes before | 11:11 |
| Diogenese_ | in fact, this is the ostensible reason we fought ww2, or so we're told | 11:12 |
| Diogenese_ | Nurenburg anyone? Human experimentation without consent | 11:12 |
| dTal | Diogenese_ could you tone it down | 11:12 |
| Diogenese_ | would you prefer I switched to another font? | 11:12 |
| Diogenese_ | don;t like discussing the topic the channel is named for? | 11:13 |
| dTal | you've posted a wall of rambling insulting text | 11:13 |
| Diogenese_ | insulting | 11:13 |
| Diogenese_ | that's cute | 11:14 |
| lastshell | dTal if you have mod please kick that | 11:14 |
| Diogenese_ | I've received nothing but insults since I arrived | 11:14 |
| dTal | yeah I'm reading the backscroll and... wow | 11:14 |
| Diogenese_ | oh yeah, get the cops | 11:14 |
| dTal | <Diogenese_> I'm sorry your mom was a whote | 11:14 |
| dTal | okay | 11:14 |
| Diogenese_ | yeah, I gave what O received | 11:14 |
| Diogenese_ | I | 11:14 |
| Diogenese_ | where where you oh great op? | 11:14 |
| Dredd | What is this | 11:15 |
| Diogenese_ | obviously not doing your fucking job since I came here to discuss the topic and got nothijng but static in return | 11:15 |
| Dredd | We don't allow insults here | 11:15 |
| Dredd | But we do allow ops to sleep | 11:15 |
| lastshell | thank you Dredd | 11:15 |
| dTal | minthos: ##coronavirus is certainly not "more open to conspiracy nuts" | 11:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | the excess mortality rates don't include the covid by the way, that's why it's an interesting chart. The rates are 20 times higher in 16-70 age group in U.S, and 13 times higher for 70+ etc. It's a nice dataset | 11:17 |
| dTal | oops | 11:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | which might mean there's definitely a lot of unreported deaths also | 11:17 |
| summonner | The world is not ready for Diogenese_ | 11:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | dtal accidentally posted here lol | 11:18 |
| Dredd | lastshell: Twas the dTal that actually got rid of them 😛 | 11:18 |
| * Dredd bows to the dTal | 11:18 | |
| dTal | sdfgsdfg: ? | 11:18 |
| sdfgsdfg | all good, I thought that was a pm | 11:19 |
| dTal | ooh I've never had a definite article before | 11:19 |
| sdfgsdfg | anyways thanks man, he was spamming obviously | 11:19 |
| dTal | sdfgsdfg: the "oops" was because I accidentally unquieted Diogenese_ instead of de-opping myself | 11:19 |
| Dredd | Looks like a typical troll from skimming the history | 11:24 |
| Dredd | Covid already trolls us enough. Why can't people be nice? 😭 | 11:24 |
| Guest47 | This is why im desperate to learn morse code so that i can quit the internet | 11:27 |
| summonner | they can, you just need to calm their fears | 11:27 |
| summonner | Guest47 -> learns morse code. Spends hours on the short-wave ham radio talking to other people | 11:29 |
| * summonner grins | 11:29 | |
| Dredd | Guest47: Then you can summon mods just by typing ...---... | 11:30 |
| Guest47 | summonner morse code is not "talking". There's a limited set of characters. It s next to impossible to troll or be trolled | 11:30 |
| summonner | then after a few days all Guest47 hears is --. --- -... .- -.-. -.- - --- .. .-. -.-. | 11:30 |
| Guest47 | morse code should not be written | 11:31 |
| Dredd | -.-. --- ...- .. -.. .. ... .- .-.. .. . | 11:32 |
| Dredd | - .... . -.-. --- -. ... .--. .. .-. .- -.-. -.-- .. ... .-. . .- .-.. | 11:32 |
| Dredd | Lol matrix has interpreted my dash as a bullet point | 11:33 |
| Guest47 | i did set a target for myself to quit the internet by 2018 and I failed it spectacularly | 11:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Libya: +711 cases (now 378816), +8 deaths (now 5561), +5085 tests (now 2.0 million) since a day ago | 11:35 |
| Dredd | Guest47: Have you considered going to live in a log cabin deep in the woods? | 11:35 |
| Guest47 | Dredd fuck yeah but it's not legal in my whereabouts | 11:36 |
| Guest47 | It's not legal even if you own the land | 11:37 |
| dTal | wow that troll was pretty enraged in my PMs | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Study: During the first five months of the pandemic in 2020, low-income communities of color experienced significantly greater increases in firearm violence, homicides and assaults compared to more affluent, white neighborhoods. Firearm violence [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rfcrci/study_during_the_first_five_months_of_the/ | 11:40 |
| Guest47 | ok folks catch you later. | 11:41 |
| minthos | dTal: ok maybe I misread that room, anyway thanks for intervening :) | 11:50 |
| zutt | news today made me giggle.. man in NZ went and got 10 vaccinations in one day ;D https://indianexpress.com/article/world/covid-new-zealand-man-probed-for-having-10-vaccine-shots-7668532/ | 11:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: One of the earliest, peer-reviewed studies looking into the Omicron variant of COVID-19 suggests that people previously infected with COVID, and those vaccinated, will have some, 'stronger than basic' defence against this new strain of concern. → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rfd58h/one_of_the_earliest_peerreviewed_studies_looking/ | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Finland: +4306 cases (now 205357), +21 deaths (now 1442), +6513 vaccines (now 4.3 million), +34372 tests (now 8.2 million) since 2 days ago | 12:12 |
| Guest47 | Ok guys I'm freking out. I did the LFT test this morning and it showed up as negative. After about 15 minutes, I chucked it in the bin. Now, I was going to clear the bin and the "T" line is showing positive. | 12:31 |
| Timvde | Guest47: not reliable after 30 minutes | 12:32 |
| Guest47 | Timvde i was told that if it doesn't show up as postive in 5-10 mins, then its negative | 12:33 |
| Guest47 | Did i have to wait the full 30 minutes? | 12:33 |
| Timvde | Guest47: 15-30 minutes should be fine | 12:34 |
| dTal | not reliable before 30 minutes either | 12:34 |
| Timvde | dTal: quite reliable when giving a positive result, no? | 12:35 |
| dTal | no | 12:35 |
| Timvde | Just too likely to give a false negative to really trust them | 12:35 |
| dTal | the instructions are to wait the full 30 minutes | 12:35 |
| Timvde | Oh, like that | 12:35 |
| dTal | oh I see what you're saying | 12:35 |
| Timvde | The instructions on my test say that you can read the result in between 15 and 30 minutes after taking the test | 12:35 |
| ecks | just unlocked my new 6G chip | 12:36 |
| Guest47 | and the T line is quite faint | 12:36 |
| dTal | I will say that supposedly they can show a false positive after 30 minutes | 12:36 |
| dTal | however I've never seen this phenomenon | 12:36 |
| dTal | Guest47: if I were you, I'd take another test. And this time, wait 30 minutes for the result. | 12:37 |
| dTal | I'm assuming that your LFTs are the same as mine. That might not be the case, read the instructions I guess... | 12:38 |
| Guest47 | so, exactly 30 minutes? | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Novavax: (news): Novavax Files for Emergency Use of COVID-19 Vaccine in the United Arab Emirates → https://ir.novavax.com/2021-12-13-Novavax-Files-for-Emergency-Use-of-COVID-19-Vaccine-in-the-United-Arab-Emirates | 12:38 |
| Dredd | dTal: That could be a sign your viral load is decreasing | 12:38 |
| dTal | Dredd: what could? | 12:38 |
| dTal | decreasing? what? | 12:39 |
| Timvde | dTal: I have never seen it either, but I guess it may be indicative of a past infection without it meaning that you are currently positive | 12:39 |
| Dredd | The fainter line than in previous tests | 12:39 |
| Dredd | Guest47: these are the NHS provided tests? You need to do the swab, prepare it, add your two drops then wait 30 minutes | 12:39 |
| dTal | There's a misunderstanding. I am saying that a negative result - a true negative - can show as a false positive after too much time. | 12:39 |
| Dredd | Your test result is the result at that point | 12:39 |
| dTal | Something about the chemistry involved. Nothing to do with viral load. | 12:39 |
| Guest47 | ok the instructions are here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1024894/COVID-19-self-test-throat-and-nose-instructions.pdf | 12:40 |
| Dredd | dTal: it shouldn't, in fact largely all the gold ions should be bound to the C line at that point | 12:40 |
| dTal | basically when the test dries out, you might be able to make out the line | 12:40 |
| Dredd | What it might do is take awhile to show a very faint result but yeah, once it's dry it should stop | 12:40 |
| Guest47 | page 8: Do not leave the test to develop for longer than 30 minutes as this will make the result void | 12:40 |
| dTal | Guest47: oh it's the UK tests. Yeah - 5 to 10 minutes is way too short. | 12:41 |
| Dredd | Guest47: as I understand it yesterday your T line was fainter too (which could mean lower viral load in the sample) | 12:41 |
| Guest47 | But it doesn't say how long you should wait | 12:41 |
| sdfgsdfg | is that the swab test | 12:41 |
| Guest47 | dredd yes it was faint | 12:42 |
| Dredd | Yes it does | 12:42 |
| dTal | step 21 | 12:42 |
| dTal | "Set a timer and wait 30 minutes before you read your result" | 12:42 |
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| Guest47 | Ah I missed it | 12:43 |
| dTal | "A positive result can appear at any time after 20 minutes, however you should wait for the full 30 minutes to record a negative result as the test line (T) may take this long to appear" | 12:43 |
| Dredd | To be able to compare test results day to day though you need to always wait 30 mins | 12:43 |
| dTal | just retake it | 12:43 |
| dTal | they're free | 12:43 |
| Dredd | Yeah | 12:44 |
| Dredd | I just ordered some more myself | 12:44 |
| Guest47 | Dredd " lower viral load in the sample" what do you mean? | 12:44 |
| Dredd | I only ever needed 1 pack of 7 as I haven't got up to much lol | 12:44 |
| sdfgsdfg | I got a flu like hardcore disease which started with an eye infection and my covid test was negative. I was sure it was covid, lasted 4-5 days of exhaustion, almost scary shortness of breath and 2 days of heavy flu. No loss of senses though. | 12:44 |
| Dredd | Or maybe two packs of 7 | 12:44 |
| Dredd | Guest47: still positive but less positive | 12:45 |
| Guest47 | ok im proper confused | 12:45 |
| sdfgsdfg | months ago | 12:45 |
| Dredd | The control line works by having compounds in that pick up the virus and when they do it turns visible | 12:45 |
| Guest47 | does this mean the virus is still there but getting weaker? | 12:45 |
| Dredd | Guest47: viruses are billions or trillions of tiny little particles floating around inside you, you can have different amounts of them | 12:46 |
| Dredd | Yes exactly that | 12:46 |
| Guest47 | ah i see | 12:46 |
| Dredd | It could mean that - it could also be variation in the tests | 12:46 |
| Dredd | Or your testing technique | 12:46 |
| dTal | Guest47: the tests are chemical reaction with "viral stuff". The more "viral stuff" there is, the darker the line. If you have *any* viral stuff, you're infected | 12:46 |
| dTal | but maybe you don't have much viral stuff, so you get a weak line | 12:46 |
| sdfgsdfg | the way they do swab tests in hotel quarantines vs out on streets is huge | 12:47 |
| sdfgsdfg | the difference in * | 12:47 |
| Guest47 | ok so im almost close the 10 day cut off. | 12:47 |
| Dredd | The 10 days is a rule of thumb | 12:47 |
| Dredd | It can be more or less depending on the person | 12:47 |
| Guest47 | i'll just wait two more days and then i'll go out on the wild | 12:47 |
| Dredd | You should not go out if you are still testing positive | 12:48 |
| Dredd | The tests are calibrated so that when you don't have a T line at 30 minutes then it means there isn't enough virus there to be infectious to others | 12:48 |
| Guest47 | ah ok it makes sense | 12:48 |
| Dredd | I understand it's difficult but it's for other peoples safety rather than yours | 12:48 |
| Dredd | Sounds like you've basically beaten the virus and now you just need to wait a bit for your body to clear it up | 12:48 |
| Dredd | It is possible that you aren't infectious now, just because the test detects the viral bits doesn't mean it's functional but best to wait if you can 🙂 | 12:49 |
| Guest47 | dredd yes but there are people who refuse to test and they just walk around carefree. How am i more of an asshole than those who dont even care? | 12:49 |
| Dredd | My guess is you will stop testing positive in a day or two | 12:49 |
| Dredd | Guest47: No, but you can still be an arsehole but just less of one 😉 | 12:49 |
| Guest47 | ok i'm a moderate asshole. | 12:50 |
| Dredd | 😀 | 12:50 |
| Dredd | I agree those people are very annoying | 12:50 |
| Dredd | and the reason why we can't have nice things | 12:50 |
| Dredd | their selfishness is depressing | 12:50 |
| Guest47 | i'm an average asshole. My level of assholeness is socially acceptable. | 12:50 |
| Guest47 | and you cannot force them to test, so they dont have to self isolate, but I have because I tested myself. | 12:52 |
| Guest47 | ok thanks all | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Pfizer: Pfizer to Acquire Arena Pharmaceuticals: Anonymous (not verified) Mon, 12/13/2021 - 06:45 Monday, December 13, 2021 - 06:45am Proposed acquisition offers potentially new, differentiated best-in-class approach to address unmet need for a broader number of [... want %more?] → https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-acquire-arena-pharmaceuticals | 12:57 |
| Dredd | <Guest47> "and you cannot force them to..." <- I think they technically do as they are in your bubble - I'm not sure what all the laws say | 13:01 |
| Dredd | Though honestly I doubt it would be enforced against them, a fine at best | 13:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iceland: +388 cases (now 19547), +1 deaths (now 36), +8189 tests (now 1.3 million) since 3 days ago — Bangladesh: +385 cases (now 1.6 million), +3 deaths (now 28031), +22037 tests (now 11.1 million) since 23 hours ago — Nepal: +313 cases (now 824535), +3 deaths (now 11557), +10416 tests (now 4.7 million) since a day ago | 13:02 |
| Guest47 | Dredd landlord asked them to self isolate, they replied: what are you going to do? Evict us? | 13:03 |
| Dredd | fuck, are you in like a student let or something? | 13:04 |
| Dredd | That sucks | 13:04 |
| Dredd | You probably got it from one of them lol | 13:04 |
| Guest47 | dredd no but similar . Cannot any more detail and yes it sucks for many other reasons | 13:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: First UK death recorded with Omicron variant: People should set aside the idea Omicron is a milder variant and get their booster jab, the PM says. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59639007 | 13:07 |
| Guest47 | So basically theres a vending machine at a nearby train station. The area is semi open, that is its indoors but very ventilated. I want to go there and buy something to eat | 13:09 |
| dTal | Guest47: oh you're a confirmed covid case? | 13:09 |
| Guest47 | confirmed by whom? | 13:10 |
| dTal | I dunno, what I mean is - you're isolating because you have it, not just out of precaution? | 13:10 |
| Guest47 | no i did not report it, otherwise they'd have to shut the place and we would be homeless | 13:10 |
| Guest47 | dTal if I trust the LFT I have it | 13:11 |
| dTal | multiple lat flow tests, not just the one you threw out today? | 13:11 |
| Guest47 | I wanted to do the PCR test but because of a couple of assholes who refuse to self isolate, i din't do it. In hindsight, bad decision, but it's too late to do a PCR test now and wait 10 more days | 13:12 |
| dTal | you said 10 day cutoff | 13:12 |
| Dredd | <Guest47> "Peter no but similar . Cannot..." <- Sheltered housing sort of thing I guess? | 13:12 |
| Guest47 | yes multiple LFT. 1st positive was Tuesday | 13:13 |
| dTal | oh that sucks | 13:13 |
| dTal | it's awful being in a situation of being punished for doing the right thing | 13:13 |
| dTal | good on you for sticking to it | 13:13 |
| Guest47 | no, not sheletred hosuing, private but on the border of dodgy | 13:13 |
| dTal | you shouldn't be made homeless just by reporting a positive test result | 13:13 |
| Guest47 | well i didn't stick to it. I should have requested a PCR | 13:13 |
| dTal | I see and if you do it now and it comes back positive you'll have to isolate *another* 10 days | 13:14 |
| Guest47 | I know. because of a minority of nuts we all risk something. | 13:14 |
| Guest47 | dTal exactly | 13:14 |
| Dredd | Ah right, we have a flat here in the building that seems to be some sort of dodgy sheltered housing and we've unfortunately had a lot of problems. Stabby people and most recently a pair of people stealing everyones deliveries | 13:14 |
| Dredd | And it is definitely unofficial | 13:14 |
| Guest47 | and if it comes negative, I give the false impression that I didn't have it. | 13:15 |
| dTal | You should at least report your positive lateral flow test | 13:15 |
| Guest47 | shelted hosuing is better, you have your rights. | 13:15 |
| Guest47 | dTal if i report the LFT then I am bound for a PCR | 13:15 |
| Dredd | Yeah this is clearly not above board either | 13:15 |
| dTal | They don't drag you away to the PCR | 13:16 |
| Dredd | It's all very sketchy, it's just a privately owned property for occupancy by the landlord afaik | 13:16 |
| Guest47 | no but they have my name and phone number | 13:16 |
| dTal | I can't remember if you can back-date the lateral flow | 13:16 |
| Dredd | You can't | 13:16 |
| Dredd | Not that long anyway | 13:16 |
| Guest47 | no you can't | 13:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: ‘Phenomenal’ Omicron spread accounts for 40% of London infections → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/phenomenal-omicron-spread-accounts-for-40-of-london-infections-7670656/ | 13:16 |
| dTal | what a perverse situation | 13:16 |
| dTal | makes you wonder how skewed the stats are doesn't it | 13:16 |
| Guest47 | it is yeah. I know people who lost their shared accommodation during covid | 13:17 |
| Guest47 | The rules are not there to protect people on the fringe of society like me | 13:17 |
| Guest47 | if anything, rules are made to get rid of people like me | 13:18 |
| dTal | it's a bit more complicated than that but certainly that seems to be the direction the current government have been pushing it for the past decade | 13:19 |
| minthos | in the stats you're just another case that wasn't detected by the system, like many others. nothing to worry about in that regard. | 13:19 |
| dTal | UK has historically had pretty good safety nets | 13:19 |
| Guest47 | ending homeleness by killing the homeless | 13:20 |
| dTal | but they've been systematically removed | 13:20 |
| Guest47 | s/has/had | 13:20 |
| dTal | ..."has historically had" | 13:20 |
| Guest47 | ah ok | 13:20 |
| dTal | can I ask approximately where you live? | 13:21 |
| Guest47 | unfortunately you have to play around the system. I do. Not proud of it | 13:21 |
| Guest47 | dTal WM | 13:21 |
| dTal | ah fair enough | 13:23 |
| dTal | more than ever I've come to realize that the UK is divided into "London", "London satellites", and "not London" | 13:23 |
| Guest47 | the stats are obviously skewed. Most people dont bother testing | 13:23 |
| dTal | I do wonder how they handle positive LFT followed by negative PCR | 13:24 |
| Guest47 | And if they do test positive and have no safety net, why would they report it? | 13:24 |
| dTal | you'd think they'd nullify the LFT, but my impression when I tested positive was that the system was not very joined up | 13:24 |
| Guest47 | Well I guess once the PCR is negative, that's it | 13:24 |
| dTal | I had to go out of my way to book the PCR, it didn't happen automatically | 13:25 |
| Guest47 | This could have been prevented by using something like the green pass | 13:25 |
| dTal | and I got duplicate "results" by text, both the PCR test results and the LFT results that I REPORTED regurgitated back to me | 13:25 |
| Guest47 | but the antivaxx said that would be fascist | 13:25 |
| dTal | if I were a gambling man, I would guess that they did not annul my LFT on the basis of my negative PCR | 13:26 |
| Guest47 | the antivaxx nutters are in the Tory party | 13:26 |
| dTal | nah the Tories know that vaccines work, they just don't give a crap about public health | 13:26 |
| Guest47 | steve baker &co, incidentally also Brexit nuts | 13:26 |
| dTal | but the antivaxxers you meet on the street, well they take all kinds apparently | 13:27 |
| dTal | there's a lot of "new age" antivaxxers, who certainly aren't tory but they're pretty deranged nonetheless | 13:27 |
| Guest47 | In any case it sucks to be poor in UK | 13:27 |
| dTal | they just hate the concept of government in general | 13:28 |
| dTal | you know, the "chemtrail" crowd | 13:28 |
| Guest47 | they also hate the concept of human rights, unless it affects them | 13:28 |
| minthos | I think it sucks to be poor in general, if I ever have kids I will teach them programming and investing from a very young age | 13:28 |
| Guest47 | no there are countries where you can be poor and dignified. Our ancestors were poor by today standard but lived much a better life than us, even with infections et al | 13:29 |
| Guest47 | capitalism is a scam and a ponzi scheme (and I'm no communist) | 13:30 |
| Guest47 | i'd like to see stats of covid infection in rural environments or small group communes | 13:32 |
| minthos | I don't think capitalism is the right term, more like neoliberal social darwinism or something | 13:32 |
| Guest47 | it all started with agriculture and private property of the land | 13:33 |
| minthos | true, but that has huge evolutionary advantages | 13:33 |
| Guest47 | such as | 13:33 |
| minthos | greater population = more military power and better technology | 13:34 |
| minthos | can murder nomads and take their land | 13:34 |
| Guest47 | i don't see the evolutionary advantage | 13:34 |
| Guest47 | we are the only species that genocides ourselves | 13:34 |
| minthos | the nomads die, the murderers live | 13:34 |
| Guest47 | nomads are the one who spread culture | 13:35 |
| Guest47 | i havent seen any wokies talking about the gencide of native americans | 13:36 |
| minthos | I have seen it mentioned | 13:37 |
| minthos | thanksgiving is a celebration of genocide | 13:37 |
| minthos | but we're getting off topic here, maybe we should let the subject rest | 13:37 |
| dTal | it's rather a stretch to call it a celebration of genocide | 13:38 |
| Guest47 | but humans are not mass murderers by nature, only for the last 10k years or so. | 13:38 |
| Guest47 | its not entirely OT. Covid is a disease of civilization | 13:39 |
| minthos | true | 13:39 |
| Guest47 | it wouldn't have spread so fast is we hadn't artificially inflated China's GDP for the last 25 years. | 13:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 13DEC21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/rfet3t/global_covid_cases_for_13dec21/ | 13:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: Weekly Scientific Discussion Thread - December 13, 2021: This weekly thread is for scientific discussion pertaining to COVID-19. Please post questions about the science of this virus and disease here to collect them for others and clear up post space for [... want %more?] → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rff6mm/weekly_scientific_discussion_thread_december_13/ | 14:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Qatar: +169 cases (now 245523), +6127 tests (now 3.1 million) since a day ago — UAE: +92 cases (now 742894), +245149 tests (now 104.9 million) since a day ago | 14:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | "In the modern industrial age, new transport links made it easier for influenza viruses to wreak havoc. In just a few months, the disease spanned the globe, killing 1 million people. It took just five weeks for the epidemic to reach peak mortality." | 14:18 |
| sdfgsdfg | I was going through the history of worst pandemics | 14:18 |
| sdfgsdfg | so flu started as a crazy pandemic in 1889 | 14:19 |
| sdfgsdfg | and others around 1173–1174 AD and 1387 AD across europe | 14:22 |
| sdfgsdfg | I'm not comparing diseases here we had a lot of pandemics apparently :o | 14:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +17910 cases (now 1.1 million), +25 deaths (now 11811), +158121 tests (now 13.2 million) since 13 hours ago | 14:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: FDA authorizes Eli Lilly's COVID-19 monoclonal antibodies for all at-risk children - including newborns → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/rffy46/fda_authorizes_eli_lillys_covid19_monoclonal/ | 14:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: COVID contact-tracing: Facial recognition to track cases as infections soar in South Korea | 13DEC21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/rfg4om/covid_contacttracing_facial_recognition_to_track/ | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: U.S. sets somber record as Covid deaths surpass 800,000, more than any other country → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/rfg8u0/us_sets_somber_record_as_covid_deaths_surpass/ | 15:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saudi Arabia: +64 cases (now 550304), +2 deaths (now 8855), +36705 tests (now 32.0 million) since a day ago | 15:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Document: Questions and answers on labelling flexibilities for COVID-19 vaccines → https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/other/questions-answers-labelling-flexibilities-covid-19-vaccines_en.pdf | 15:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Our covid times :-)by @stephanpastis pic.twitter.com/0kAVsu8fFP → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1470397931194699782 | 15:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Vaccines shown to induce lower levels of neutralising antibodies against Omicron coronavirus variant → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rfh50s/vaccines_shown_to_induce_lower_levels_of/ | 15:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The US confirmed Covid deaths exceeds 800,000Killed 1 of every 100 Americans over age 65Killed 1 of every 415 Americans.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/us/… by @juliebosman @albertsun @amy_harmon~300,000 deaths well after US vaccine rollout pic.twitter.com/ghdYZmcp0K → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1470409057936707585 | 16:09 |
| xx | for every statistic that shows number of deaths, the same statistic that shows number of births should be shown | 16:18 |
| xx | would put covid in perspective | 16:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Jeffrey Barrett (@jcbarret): Our choices for this dataviz don't reflect speed they're available to @UKHSA & decision-makers (as of right now seqs from swab dates up to 8 Dec; SGTF nearly real time). But a 9 day lag may be typical even for good surveillance systems, which is why many [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/jcbarret/status/1470411954867027972 | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Prince Charles and Camilla’s Christmas card photo is a reminder that the pandemic is still on → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/prince-charles-camilla-christmas-card-photo-reminder-pandemic-face-mask-7668660/ | 16:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +82 cases (now 10.9 million) since 21 hours ago | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest topics: Uncategorized: Computational analysis of the effect of SARS-CoV-2 variant Omicron Spike protein mutations on dynamics, ACE2 binding and propensity for [... want %more?] → https://virological.org/t/computational-analysis-of-the-effect-of-sars-cov-2-variant-omicron-spike-protein-mutations-on-dynamics-ace2-binding-and-propensity-for-immune-escape/776 | 16:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Some information on the first 10 patients hospitalized due to Omicron infections, most with 2 vaccinations, age 18-85, 1st death among them twitter.com/UKHSA/status/1… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1470422085906288642 | 16:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Richard Clegg (@RichardClegg522): On 12 December, 397,532 people in the UK were reported to have had a 3rd/booster dose of the COVID vaccine, 107,367 more than the previous Sunday (5 December). 23.56 million people have now received a 3rd/booster dose across the UK (41.0% of the [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/RichardClegg522/status/1470427111857049610 | 17:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Comirnaty, Tozinameran,COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine (nucleoside modified), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 21/12/2020, Revision: 17, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/comirnaty | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Regkirona, regdanvimab, COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 12/11/2021, Revision: 1, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/regkirona | 17:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +13792 cases (now 2.9 million), +28 deaths (now 20596) since 16 hours ago | 18:01 |
| theartistformerl | I CANNOT FUKKIN WAIT TO GO OUT AGAIN (still 3 days to go) | 18:02 |
| theartistformerl | it's guest47 from this morning | 18:03 |
| theartistformerl | ping dTal Dredd | 18:03 |
| theartistformerl | and minthos | 18:04 |
| theartistformerl | btw if you speak French there's a mini TV series called burkland | 18:06 |
| theartistformerl | It's on YT as well | 18:07 |
| xx | theartistformerl: don't worry, they'll start the nationwide lockdown in 3 days :p | 18:08 |
| xx | nobody's going out, xmas is cancelled, santa is quarantined | 18:09 |
| theartistformerl | i fucking hate xmas anyway | 18:09 |
| xx | that's how I explain to kids why they haven't received any gifts last year nor this year | 18:09 |
| theartistformerl | and santa | 18:09 |
| theartistformerl | an italian priest has been suspended for saying that santa doesn't exist | 18:09 |
| theartistformerl | He forgot to add that God doesn't exist either | 18:10 |
| theartistformerl | I thought that God was Eric Clapton but I was wrong | 18:10 |
| theartistformerl | God is Jeff Beck | 18:11 |
| theartistformerl | And Peter Green is the devil | 18:11 |
| theartistformerl | Santana can be the altar boy, at best | 18:12 |
| dTal | hello Guest47 er I mean theartistformerl | 18:15 |
| theartistformerl | dTal i wanted to choose the artistformerlyknownasguest47 | 18:16 |
| theartistformerl | I was going to do another LFT but I am fed up really | 18:17 |
| theartistformerl | my nostrils hurt | 18:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Increased risk of hospitalisation and death with the delta variant in the USA → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rfkh02/increased_risk_of_hospitalisation_and_death_with/ | 18:18 |
| theartistformerl | I kid you not. Last night I watched the news, they were doing a post mortem covid test on a dead dog, they stuck the swab in the poor dog's ass | 18:19 |
| theartistformerl | It was in Switzerland. They are testing if Covid is transmissible to/from humans <> animals | 18:20 |
| p0indexter | why should i think ur kidding | 18:20 |
| theartistformerl | Do you want the link? | 18:20 |
| p0indexter | you seen totally serious to me | 18:20 |
| p0indexter | nah | 18:20 |
| theartistformerl | https://www.rts.ch/play/tv/19h30/video/19h30?urn=urn:rts:video:12714072 | 18:21 |
| theartistformerl | 13:13 | 18:22 |
| theartistformerl | ok first they stuck it into its nostrils, then into its ass | 18:23 |
| theartistformerl | so what they say is, we might pass it to animals, then it will mutate and it will come back to us mutated and more violent | 18:24 |
| theartistformerl | xx you speak french? | 18:24 |
| p0indexter | also mutate in unvaxed | 18:25 |
| LjL | theartistformerl: there was much ado on the fact that China did anal covid tests on people, presumably because they worked better. The dog was dead at least, I don't think it cared | 18:25 |
| LjL | Dogs don't appear to readily infect other dogs anyway, so maybe it's not a big problem. Cats are probably a problem because they do. A number of other animals too | 18:25 |
| p0indexter | authorities are testing sewage plants | 18:26 |
| LjL | Was about time. In the US a company has a site with graph from covid presence in sewers *all over* the country | 18:27 |
| theartistformerl | hold on, did we not get covid from pangolins anyway? | 18:27 |
| LjL | We don't know that | 18:27 |
| LjL | It's a theory | 18:27 |
| theartistformerl | So ur saying we still know jack shit about the origins of covid? | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Bloom Lab (@jbloom_lab): Here are site-wise plots generated from jbloomlab.github.io/SARS2_RBD_Ab_e… that explain why. BA.2 less antigenic escape than BA.1 because it lacks G446S. BA.1 + R346K is more escape because site 346 is major antigenic site. (7/n) pic.twitter.com/bm8ZEN0Ty2 → https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1470442877494824961 | 18:28 |
| theartistformerl | bty following the link above, check the last fragment about 60+y.o. supermodels | 18:31 |
| theartistformerl | s/bty/btw | 18:31 |
| dTal | test me senpai | 18:32 |
| lastshell | I had one family member that pass away from covid | 18:36 |
| lastshell | he was not vaccinated | 18:36 |
| theartistformerl | shit sorry lastshell | 18:36 |
| theartistformerl | when did that happen | 18:36 |
| lastshell | yesterday night seems | 18:37 |
| lastshell | organ failures | 18:37 |
| lastshell | I wish I spoken to him before about vaccines | 18:37 |
| theartistformerl | not even single jabbed? | 18:37 |
| lastshell | no | 18:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Bloom Lab (@jbloom_lab): Again, above should be considered *predictions* not *measurements* as uses single-mutant deep mutational scanning. Right now some experiments on #Omicron (eg, @sigallab medrxiv.org/content/10.110…) use BA.1 + R346K, but most use BA.1 w/o R346K. Not yet [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1470442879776526337 | 18:38 |
| theartistformerl | which strain was it? | 18:38 |
| theartistformerl | omicron? | 18:38 |
| lastshell | no idea but I assume delta | 18:38 |
| LjL | sorry lastshell | 18:38 |
| LjL | <theartistformerl> So ur saying we still know jack shit about the origins of covid? ← i'm not quite saying that, but... yeah well i'm saying that. we know it originally came from a bat virus, that's about it | 18:39 |
| theartistformerl | so did it come from a bat virus or did come from bat > human? | 18:40 |
| tyler0010[m] | It was Batman. Dude is a menace. | 18:41 |
| theartistformerl | batman was already blamed for AIDS back in the 80s | 18:42 |
| theartistformerl | Bojo covid strategy seems schizophrenic at the very least | 18:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from University of Washington: The Co-Discoverer of Ebola’s Long Road to Recognition (with Video): muyembe presenting.jpg Congolese microbiologist Dr. Jean-Jacques Muyembe-Tamfum’s long road to recognition for his scientific discoveries began in 1976. That year, Muyembe, [... want %more?] → https://globalhealth.washington.edu/news/2021/12/07/Co-Discoverer-Ebola-Long-Road-Recognition | 18:47 |
| lastshell | ping google.com | 18:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: AMA Tomorrow: U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy (Tuesday, Dec. 14 at 3 PM EST): We are very excited to announce that tomorrow (Tuesday, Dec. 14th, at 3 PM EST/12 PM PST) we will be hosting an AMA with Dr. Vivek Murthy, the current Surgeon [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rflho1/ama_tomorrow_us_surgeon_general_dr_vivek_murthy/ | 18:56 |
| theartistformerl | would high concentrations of oxigen/ozone kill the virus? | 19:00 |
| theartistformerl | I used to experiment with homebrew ozone genarators back in the 90s | 19:01 |
| theartistformerl | theartistformerl remembers the good ol days | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +12704 cases (now 5.2 million), +98 deaths (now 134929), +313536 tests (now 126.3 million) since a day ago | 19:03 |
| xx | theartistformerl: ozone would work, but you'd need high enough concentrations for long enough time | 19:07 |
| xx | certainly not something you can achieve with off-the-shelf ozone generators inside rooms that are not hermetically sealed | 19:07 |
| xx | UV would be better in such rooms | 19:08 |
| theartistformerl | well if you leave it all night. | 19:11 |
| theartistformerl | Incidentally its called corona ozone generator | 19:11 |
| theartistformerl | I used to build negative ion generators | 19:11 |
| lastshell | hey guys I need todo my xmas covid proof | 19:12 |
| theartistformerl | a simple fan behind the generator would spread the ions | 19:13 |
| lastshell | we have some family members full vaxxed others with boosters | 19:13 |
| lastshell | I have 3 air purifers | 19:13 |
| lastshell | what will be wise to have ? | 19:13 |
| xx | theartistformerl: it'll do a great job of killing off all sorts of fungal and bacterial pathogens, yeah, but I wouldn't trust it for viruses | 19:14 |
| xx | most likely corona in the air will die just by exposure to time anyway | 19:14 |
| xx | if it's overnight | 19:14 |
| theartistformerl | in the case of ion generators, air purifier is a misnomer really | 19:14 |
| xx | it might remain viable on some surfaces though | 19:14 |
| xx | lastshell: cancel xmas, done. | 19:15 |
| theartistformerl | cancel culture | 19:15 |
| lastshell | has to be an option | 19:15 |
| xx | lastshell: depends on how much risk you're willing to take | 19:15 |
| lastshell | xx is been son long that we family don see ech other | 19:15 |
| theartistformerl | cant we just move xmas to next june? | 19:15 |
| lastshell | mom and I are booster | 19:15 |
| lastshell | the rest of fam is vaxxed one family members had sputnik and J&J in order to pass to US | 19:16 |
| lastshell | I have 3 air filters | 19:16 |
| theartistformerl | who, only 6 months ago, though covid was done and dusted? | 19:16 |
| lastshell | do I need more ? | 19:16 |
| lastshell | I can't cancel xmas xx I need some workaround | 19:17 |
| theartistformerl | why do we celebrate a god that doesn't exist? | 19:18 |
| xx | lastshell: lots of testing, disinfecting all surfaces, wearing properly sealed mouth+nose filters (fresh ones), keeping a distance, having lots of fresh air circulation, preferably only meeting outside, ... | 19:18 |
| xx | ideally have some eye coverings too | 19:19 |
| lastshell | they will bring negative test (because they travel from mexico | 19:19 |
| xx | best to also get tested on the day | 19:19 |
| xx | twice for good measure, to reduce chance of false negatives | 19:19 |
| lastshell | theartistformerl family traditions | 19:20 |
| xx | traditions are just peer pressure from dead people | 19:20 |
| lastshell | for fresh air I thing I will open some windows | 19:21 |
| lastshell | but is super cold | 19:21 |
| xx | good, so keep inside very warm so that the air keeps getting blown out the house | 19:21 |
| lastshell | ok | 19:22 |
| theartistformerl | cold exposure prolongs life btw | 19:22 |
| LjL | <theartistformerl> so did it come from a bat virus or did come from bat > human? ← nope, never actually got into a human at all | 19:23 |
| Dredd | I wouldn't overthink it | 19:23 |
| LjL | (... what could you possibly have meant with that question? :P) | 19:23 |
| Dredd | Try to avoid exposing yourself to potential covid was much as possible | 19:24 |
| Dredd | Then enjoy your Christmas with your family 🙂 | 19:24 |
| lastshell | thank you Dreed | 19:24 |
| Dredd | That's my plan | 19:24 |
| Dredd | If people can do lateral flow tests too that'd be good | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Lactoferrin and Diphenhydramine prove effective in treating Covid-19 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rflmwe/lactoferrin_and_diphenhydramine_prove_effective/ | 19:25 |
| LjL | maybe i should insist for mass testing for christmas day. but then i'd have to get a qtip deep inside my nose ;( | 19:26 |
| theartistformerl | LjL the way I remember, it was told that the orgins of covid were in the WUhan market where people would buy bats, rats and whaever | 19:26 |
| LjL | theartistformerl, okay but you said is it from a bat virus or did it go from a bat to a human, and... what's the difference? | 19:26 |
| LjL | it's certainly not a bat virus that *stayed* in bats | 19:27 |
| xx | LjL: can shove it not-so-deep into your butt instead if that's better for you | 19:27 |
| xx | I don't get why western people are so opposed to it | 19:27 |
| LjL | xx, you know me so well | 19:27 |
| LjL | but also are our rapid tests designed for that? no chance of a, uhm, crappy result? | 19:28 |
| xx | heh | 19:28 |
| theartistformerl | Huanan seafood market, thats what i meant | 19:30 |
| theartistformerl | "the “first known” patient was a market vendor selling shrimp" | 19:30 |
| LjL | ah | 19:30 |
| theartistformerl | ??? what | 19:30 |
| LjL | well i don't know. i personally think it's not unlikely the WIV was involved but whatever, there are strong opinions on this and my strong opinion is only backed by thrifty common sense things, not evidence | 19:31 |
| xx | haven't there now been cases shown all the way back in september/october 2019 in europe? | 19:31 |
| xx | italy I think, from some frozen samples of skin or something | 19:31 |
| LjL | xx, mostly it's been presence of viral RNA fragment in the sewers. also a couple of cases. but my impression is nobody is really wanting to confirm/replicate those findings, or even just to say "welp, they're actually solid-looking findings after all" | 19:32 |
| LjL | Italy and Spain had sewage tests. France had an actual sample from a patient. that's what i remember, there could be more. | 19:32 |
| xx | honestly it doesn't feel like it would help anyone to find where the virus actually came from | 19:32 |
| xx | the virus is here, that's all that matters | 19:32 |
| LjL | well i disagree | 19:32 |
| theartistformerl | me too | 19:33 |
| xx | I mean, would knowing that info help stop any future pandemic? Unlikely, we've seen how people simply won't follow any rules anyway. | 19:33 |
| theartistformerl | If the world is so vulnerable to such a stupid virus... | 19:33 |
| LjL | if it came from a lab, then that lab was likely doing gain of function research, or even if it wasn't, clearly it was doing *something* that... eventually caused a pandemic. if that would mean a wide discourse over whether it's appropriate to conduct such experiments, and under what level of scrutiny, and in which types of laboratories... then virologists may hate that because it makes their job harder, but so be it | 19:33 |
| theartistformerl | xx we stopped a lot of other infections | 19:34 |
| xx | have we actually stopped them by some active action performed by us, or have they simply died out due to R<1 | 19:34 |
| theartistformerl | maybe we are too clean today, and we don't have enough antibodies | 19:34 |
| LjL | when Chernobyl happened, we didn't say "we don't care it came from a nuclear plant, the origin isn't important"... we voted and decided to stop using nuclear. other countries didn't do that, and i suppose that's fine too (i'm not really against nuclear myself), but clearly there was a need to have a risk/benefit discussion | 19:34 |
| theartistformerl | xx yes | 19:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Plasma neutralization properties of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rflz3z/plasma_neutralization_properties_of_the_sarscov2/ | 19:35 |
| theartistformerl | we have runnibg water, toilets | 19:35 |
| xx | LjL: was a different world back then | 19:35 |
| LjL | we keep talking about risk/benefit when we talk about the vaccine - mainly to convince everyone that the benefit is higher than the risk - but how does that not apply to the origin and the risk of doing *whatever originated it*, because something did? | 19:35 |
| xx | nowadays we don't live on the brink of a nuclear war anymore, it would destroy the economy | 19:36 |
| theartistformerl | there is obviously political pressure not to reveal the origins of covid. | 19:36 |
| LjL | what would destroy the economy, killing nuclear? other countries like Germany are doing it, and their economy didn't seem to be affected. | 19:37 |
| theartistformerl | < | 19:37 |
| theartistformerl | > nowadays we don't live on the brink of a nuclear war anymore | 19:37 |
| theartistformerl | SAYS WHO? | 19:37 |
| LjL | but anyway it's not important because i'm not talking about killing nuclear this time, am i? | 19:37 |
| LjL | i don't think it would kill the economy to restrict some virology lab activities | 19:37 |
| xx | theartistformerl: says me | 19:37 |
| xx | you can usually see the nickname before the text | 19:37 |
| theartistformerl | have you ever thought of becoming a comedian? | 19:38 |
| xx | yes | 19:38 |
| LjL | also, we don't live on the brink of a nuclear war, but the world is quite similar in that back then, whatever Russia did had to be evaluated carefully because anything too hasty might cause a nuclear war with them. now, many people say we can't bluntly "blame China" because they would, too, retaliate. the situation we have now with China is not so dissimilar to what we had with Russia, in terms of "we can't control what they do but we'd like to anyway but without | 19:38 |
| LjL | making them too mad" | 19:38 |
| xx | LjL: I mean, we still haven't even destroyed the remaining smallpox samples. I don't see it happening. | 19:39 |
| LjL | xx, well, those didn't cause a smallpox pandemic (yet). | 19:39 |
| LjL | i think if there's *anything* that could make that sort of thing happen, or at least be discussed, a pandemic must be pretty close to that thing | 19:39 |
| xx | those labs are woefully underfunded too, I imagine there are regular slipups that are swept under the rug | 19:39 |
| LjL | yes, me too | 19:40 |
| LjL | one more potentially huge reason to have a public debate about it | 19:40 |
| xx | it simply costs too much to do things properly | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +54029 cases (now 10.9 million), +38 deaths (now 146934) since 21 hours ago — Israel: +796 cases (now 1.4 million), +7 deaths (now 8223) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +4 deaths (now 29967) since 22 hours ago | 19:40 |
| LjL | i imagine an alien coming on earth would find it pretty strange that some people are willing to have a pandemic just because "we gonna do virology things whether you like it or not, and it simply costs too much to do it properly" | 19:41 |
| xx | I said it before, aliens lock their vehicle doors as they pass by earth | 19:41 |
| theartistformerl | there was an urban legend circulating back in march 2020, whereby the italian team at the 2019 military games in Wuhan was invited into the infamous Wuhan lab, got infected and brought covid from China to Europe. | 19:41 |
| theartistformerl | https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1094347/world-military-games-illness-covid-19 | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Characterization of the significant decline in humoral immune response six months post-SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination: A systematic review → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rfmcgz/characterization_of_the_significant_decline_in/ | 19:44 |
| LjL | i definitely heard about the military games thing, but i'd never heard that specifically Italians were somehow invited into the virology lab O.o | 19:46 |
| theartistformerl | Anyway we will solve this mistery just like we solved JFK... | 19:46 |
| LjL | oh right | 19:46 |
| xx | theartistformerl: isn't that scheduled to be revealed in 2050 or something? | 19:47 |
| theartistformerl | My money is on Lee Harvey Oswald | 19:47 |
| xx | or maybe even later | 19:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Incidence of COVID-19 reinfection: an analysis of outpatient-based data in the United States of America → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rfme10/incidence_of_covid19_reinfection_an_analysis_of/ | 19:54 |
| theartistformerl | ok folks catch you tomorrow | 19:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): UBELIEVEABLE. NIPH today published a report predicting 90.000-300.000 new cases + 50-200 new hospitalizations daily in Norway in only 3 weeks bc of Omicron. Now they advise against school closure as THEY THINK CLOSING SCHOOLS MAY INCREASE SPREAD!! INSANITY [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1470467287815700480 | 20:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahamas: +26 cases (now 22907), +918 tests (now 173567) since 2 days ago | 20:05 |
| lastshell | https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/13/prime-minister-boris-johnson-says-at-least-one-patient-has-died-with-omicron.html | 20:13 |
| lastshell | Ljl now we have omicron death ^ | 20:13 |
| LjL | lastshell: well... Even if it *is* milder, which I'm still not really committed on, there were hospitalizations, there were people in ICU, I thought the repeated "nobody has died from it" type of message was technically true but silly | 20:20 |
| Raf[m] | We don't know if they're vaccinated | 20:25 |
| Raf[m] | The report from the UK was unclear on that | 20:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cyprus: +715 cases (now 141566), +1 deaths (now 611) since 21 hours ago | 20:30 |
| trbp | it is not important to know | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Feeling remote: Coalition of pharma regulators look to complement on-site inspections beyond Covid → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2021/12/13/fda-inspections-covid19-manufacturing-pharmaceutical/ | 20:32 |
| trbp | it is important to let the others belive that they do not know and what is intended is the answer to their questions simple as that :) | 20:32 |
| LjL | trbp, do you even know what the topic was ;( | 20:33 |
| lastshell | I wish they clarify if the person was or not vaccinated / booster | 20:38 |
| trbp | LjL: i am sorry if my sentence interrupted any discussion. though i would be happy to be enlightened what the topic is. so that i know why i should keep silent in an open channel | 20:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/75/ | 20:41 |
| LjL | trbp, you replied to "we don't know if you're vaccinated". who did you think was "they"? why did you think it's not important to know? (i can't even parse the other sentence) | 20:44 |
| trbp | correct me if i am wrong. but there is another sentence following that vaccination stance, or not? | 20:45 |
| trbp | and that says something about report was unlcear | 20:45 |
| trbp | could it be i was referring to that with my cynical remark? | 20:46 |
| LjL | trbp, okay, what report is that then, and what does the remark mean? | 20:46 |
| trbp | LjL: ok for god | 20:50 |
| trbp | god`s sake i do not have any clue, and i apologize again... | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): So Pfizer did what Merck should have done: modify boceprevir for SARSCoV2. (We're doing the same but as we don't have the $billions of Pfizer, our drugs may be a bit slower to come out.)Meanwhile Merck is doing what nobody should be doing: playing [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1470480343853641729 | 20:51 |
| LjL | i didn't realize you were apologizing the first time around, but okay! | 20:52 |
| LjL | Michael Lin does seem to have an axe to grind with Merck's molnupiravir. might be right too, but the tone sure is escalating | 20:53 |
| lastshell | LjL according to the news anchor the person who die was vaccinated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69UDZXXkLkI | 20:54 |
| lastshell | sorry Ithink she saids is not confirmed the status of it was or not vaccinated | 20:56 |
| LjL | lastshell, that's what i hear too, they don't know | 20:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Aivita Biomedical Inc: AV-COVID-19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/74/ | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malawi: +115 cases (now 62380) since 19 hours ago | 21:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Richard Neher (@richardneher): Many countries have reported very rapid growth of Omicron with doubling times of 2-4 days and an almost perfect exponential increase.Now we see discussions of decreasing growth rates. This is expected for several reasons and doesn't mean early growth was [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/richardneher/status/1470484564942462997 | 21:19 |
| Arsanerit | Please help. Someone is wrong on the internet. | 21:20 |
| * LjL presses the emergency button | 21:22 | |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): It seems you can order rapid tests online again for delivery. Just worked for me anyway!gov.uk/order-coronavi… → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1470488390541971462 | 21:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +49719 cases (now 5.3 million), +103 deaths (now 88484) since 2 days ago — Palestine: +768 cases (now 464341), +14 deaths (now 4844) since 2 days ago — Burundi: +220 cases (now 20886) since 2 days ago — Seychelles: +95 cases (now 23901) since 4 days ago | 21:32 |
| LjL | looks like the wave is going down in much of Europe... with Italy and Spain being late | 21:36 |
| LjL | of course omicron is probably not a visible part of the equation yet | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): So for those thinking I'm unfair to Merck: We told Merck, and they confirmed they knew, of boceprevir's promise in early 2020. They had as much ability as Pfizer to make Paxlovid or something like it, and they chose not to. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1470490681495982083 | 21:38 |
| minthos | 19:20 < xx> traditions are just peer pressure from dead people <- I love this take :D | 21:39 |
| Dredd | <lastshell> "Ljl now we have omicron death ^..." <- *pandemic claxon intensifies* | 21:40 |
| LjL | http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France;Germany;Spain;Italy;Greece&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&legacy=no | 21:40 |
| Dredd | s/*pandemic claxon intensifies*/_pandemic klaxon intensifies_/ | 21:40 |
| LjL | with Smooth enabled, Italy looks to me like there's a steady growth | 21:40 |
| LjL | with Smooth disabled, other countries become nearly unreadable (boo other countries), but Italy looks like it's in an early exponential rise | 21:40 |
| Arsanerit | How about Sweden? | 21:43 |
| LjL | too messy numbers, i can't tell. except well they're going up | 21:43 |
| Arsanerit | I find the graphs more readable with left trim | 21:43 |
| Arsanerit | UK / omicron looks bad | 21:44 |
| Dredd | TIL Plague Inc. added a "Cure" mode which has a theme called "Flatten the Curve", the pathogen is called PAX-19 and all it's symptoms are those of COVID-19 | 21:47 |
| Arsanerit | Who or what is Plague Inc.? | 21:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): Makes me wonder if they have read this case report. SARS-CoV-2 infection of the central nervous system in a 14-month-old child: A case report of a complete autopsy thelancet.com/journals/lanam… → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1470494732455456772 | 21:48 |
| Dredd | A game where you would traditionally play as a pathogen where your aim is to spread and evolve to kill everyone on earth | 21:49 |
| Dredd | In Cure mode it seems as you play as the WHO trying to stop COVID-19 | 21:49 |
| Arsanerit | Killing aim sounds more fun. | 21:49 |
| Dredd | It's difficult because Madagascar only has one port and it closes it early 😛 | 21:50 |
| Dredd | You may have seen that referenced as a meme | 21:51 |
| LjL | Dredd, i thought it was difficult mainly because you were the WHO | 21:51 |
| Arsanerit | I have not. | 21:51 |
| Dredd | 😀 | 21:51 |
| Dredd | I'm going to listen to this theme whilst I watch any future Boris press conferences | 21:51 |
| Dredd | https://plagueinc.fandom.com/wiki/File:Gamemusic.ogg?embedplayer=yes | 21:51 |
| de-facto | hmm hmm UK seems to go up in cases in offloop | 21:51 |
| LjL | Dredd, maybe they should gamify the pandemic | 21:52 |
| LjL | like, the actual pandemic | 21:52 |
| Dredd | LjL: I suspect Plague Inc. speedrunners are particularly disparaged by the current pandemic | 21:52 |
| LjL | instead of fining you for not wearing masks, you gain point when you're seen wearing them | 21:52 |
| Dredd | They're like "I could get this on a unstoppable downward trajectory in 3 weeks if Boris would just shut down the ports!" | 21:53 |
| Dredd | "And impose martial law!" | 21:53 |
| de-facto | indeed incidence in UK is rising, but not more than last 3 weeks https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom | 21:54 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Points such as Social Credit System points? | 21:55 |
| Dredd | I think I've found the de-facto absolutely strictly with no exceptions options! | 21:55 |
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| LjL | %rmpoint Arsanerit for making CCP reference | 21:55 |
| Brainstorm | arsanerit: +1/-1, 0 | 21:55 |
| minthos | ljl: that would incentivize being seen, I would rather incentivize not being seen at all | 21:55 |
| Arsanerit | I had +1? | 21:55 |
| de-facto | Data from SANGER still at 4th of Dec https://covid19.sanger.ac.uk/lineages/raw?show=B.1.1.529&lineage=B.1.1.529&colorBy=lambda | 21:55 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, apparently | 21:56 |
| Dredd | > <Country> creates military containment zones | 21:56 |
| Dredd | > <Country> imprisoning symptomatic people | 21:56 |
| Dredd | Anti-vax dream options 😛 | 21:56 |
| minthos | it'll be reality if omicron turns out to be 20% lethal after 2 months of infection in vaxxed people | 21:58 |
| de-facto | i dont know if that is funny in the face of Omicron rising, it may quite possibly be a real problem | 21:58 |
| lastshell | In USA is just matter of weeks, now we have 30 states with Omicron cases: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/13/covid-omicron-variant-live-updates/ | 21:59 |
| Dredd | de-facto: If you played then I feel like you'd get this for sure https://plagueinc.fandom.com/wiki/Shut_down_everything_(achievement) 😉 | 21:59 |
| Dredd | > This achievement refers to a meme from the flash game Pandemic, in which the country of Madagascar quickly closes its ports when a plague is detected.[1] | 21:59 |
| Dredd | Ah yeah, the original *was* called Pandemic | 21:59 |
| Dredd | lastshell: USA has a crazy deathtoll | 22:00 |
| sdfgsdfg | minthos it's been circulating in south africa for a month at least though | 22:00 |
| sdfgsdfg | with at least thousands of people getting sick | 22:00 |
| Dredd | citation needed 😛 | 22:00 |
| de-facto | i am not for lockdowns, they are the sign of a failed containment as other more smart methods obviously could not regain control over the exponential infection explosion | 22:00 |
| lastshell | yeah 800,000 I asume we will hit 1M next year | 22:01 |
| Dredd | Given the growth it's seen in the UK | 22:01 |
| de-facto | but if cases continue to double each 3-5 days, what would we do? | 22:01 |
| Dredd | And our testing and sampling is quite good | 22:01 |
| sdfgsdfg | it's just the media and fear again... UK's first case !!! AAAAGH !!! hah | 22:01 |
| sdfgsdfg | ( first emergency case* ) | 22:01 |
| Dredd | ? | 22:01 |
| minthos | sdfgsdfg: yes I don't think my scenario is likely but it's the kind of thing I would do to win in Pandemic | 22:01 |
| xx | de-facto: "Omicron Rising" sounds like a movie title | 22:01 |
| Dredd | Can you elaborate? | 22:01 |
| Dredd | We have our first death afaik | 22:02 |
| Dredd | xx: I also thought this | 22:02 |
| de-facto | of course exponential growth is self limiting, yet if this is a seroevasive mutant it would largely see a naive population, hence not self limit waves too soon | 22:02 |
| sdfgsdfg | I think first death was expected | 22:02 |
| xx | the bigger question is, did that person have any comorbidities? | 22:02 |
| sdfgsdfg | why is media focusing on the first death, in my opinion it's unnecessary panic | 22:02 |
| lastshell | sadly we need more weeks, more deaths more data | 22:02 |
| Dredd | xx: doesn't matter, sample size is too small | 22:02 |
| Dredd | "normal" covid managed to kill a 42 year old marathon runner with no co-morbidities | 22:03 |
| LjL | Dredd, hey have you you considered how many *billions* cells have all, consistently, died in that individual | 22:03 |
| Dredd | Murphy's law | 22:03 |
| xx | Dredd: true, but if I see another media report that a stage 4 cancer patient that got hit by a bus died of covid... | 22:03 |
| de-facto | if people with Omicron get hospitalized and some of them have a fatal progression it is important that this is reported since it means we urgently need to get the reproduction number under control | 22:03 |
| Dredd | LjL: What do you mean? | 22:03 |
| LjL | Dredd, sample size if billions! | 22:03 |
| Dredd | 😛 | 22:04 |
| LjL | why do i keep typing if in place of is today | 22:04 |
| LjL | i did it on the phone, now i'm doing it on the computer, i don't even have a keyboard excuse | 22:04 |
| Dredd | huh, I read it as is anyway | 22:04 |
| xx | sssh, don't tell them that billions of cells die every day | 22:04 |
| minthos | true if big | 22:04 |
| Dredd | So when does Omicron Rising come out again and is it a good idea to go see it in person? | 22:05 |
| lastshell | brb going outside | 22:05 |
| xx | lastshell: but... there's a pandemic out there | 22:07 |
| Dredd | Arsanerit: See comments here for the meme https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/flyvuy/first_cases_of_coronavirus_in_madagascar/ | 22:07 |
| Arsanerit | cases cannot continue doubling every 3-5 days for long | 22:08 |
| Dredd | I expect they can for some time | 22:08 |
| Dredd | Especially with the time of year it is | 22:08 |
| Arsanerit | not really; at such growth rates, the growth will be bounded by total population size soon enough | 22:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | this will not be a wave | 22:09 |
| Dredd | Projections in the UK are 1 million total omicron cases in the UK by the end December | 22:09 |
| Dredd | So seems those modelling aren't thinking it'll slow down that fast | 22:10 |
| Arsanerit | if it doubles every 4 days, then after 132 days all people in the world are infected | 22:10 |
| Arsanerit | so doubling can't go on for long | 22:10 |
| Dredd | Yeah, but 132 days is a fairly long time for me 😀 | 22:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | it doubled in one day on sunday | 22:10 |
| Dredd | And naturally there's population boundaries etc | 22:10 |
| Arsanerit | one day is a too short time to calculate a growth rate over | 22:10 |
| Dredd | sdfgsdfg: can you please say what you actually mean rather than dropping random things in without context? | 22:11 |
| Dredd | > this will not be a wave | 22:11 |
| sdfgsdfg | which part Dredd | 22:11 |
| Dredd | What will it be? | 22:11 |
| sdfgsdfg | australia ended up not having a so called "wave", it's an ongoing chart | 22:11 |
| de-facto | <Dredd> So when does Omicron Rising come out again and is it a good idea to go see it in person? <-- Jan 2022? | 22:11 |
| de-facto | .title https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/omicron-england.html | 22:11 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From cmmid.github.io: Modelling the potential consequences of the Omicron SARS-CoV-2 variant in England | CMMID Repository | 22:11 |
| sdfgsdfg | I have a feeling it will be similar | 22:11 |
| sdfgsdfg | stable ongoing high number of cases probably | 22:11 |
| minthos | so a wave that doesn't recede :) | 22:13 |
| Dredd | sdfgsdfg: australia have always kept a lower new cases per day than the UK | 22:13 |
| Dredd | So whilst it might look bad zoomed in | 22:14 |
| Dredd | It's not really too bad | 22:14 |
| Dredd | Plus it has has 3 waves, separated by near total exclusion of covid | 22:14 |
| Dredd | Which is better than most places | 22:14 |
| xx | Arsanerit: by the end of that period, those who got first infected can get infected again | 22:15 |
| Dredd | and the current "baseline wave" if you want to call it that has two sub peaks, it's in the second creeping up right now | 22:15 |
| sdfgsdfg | cool beans, hopefully its not too bad in general | 22:15 |
| Dredd | So, not really sure I'd use australia as a bad example or anything comparable to the UK at all | 22:15 |
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| Dredd | Australia is barely visible on the UK scaled graph | 22:15 |
| sdfgsdfg | but in UK 30% are boosted, I wonder how fast people can get jabbed... The news about first omicron death and fear will help, but not much | 22:15 |
| Arsanerit | xx: yes, but it won't double every 4 days anymore | 22:16 |
| Arsanerit | Dredd: you can see both on the same graph if you use log scale | 22:16 |
| Dredd | sdfgsdfg: UK has run out of lateral flow tests so you can't order them at all and vaccine centers are already booked up beyond the end of the year | 22:16 |
| Dredd | We are running at 400k boosters a day atm | 22:16 |
| xx | Arsanerit: humans breed like bacteria, so maybe it will for a long time | 22:16 |
| Dredd | to meet Boris's target we need to almost instantly ramp to 1 million boosters a day | 22:17 |
| Dredd | Which seems unlikely | 22:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Merck’s COVID pill loses its lustre: what that means for the pandemicnature.com/articles/d4158… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1470500909939576834 | 22:17 |
| Dredd | Mask wearing is increasing | 22:17 |
| Dredd | And places are less busy | 22:17 |
| Dredd | All signs people are scared and paying attention more | 22:17 |
| Dredd | Arsanerit: Sure but my point isn't to show fractional scaling but absolutely that australia is actually pretty good and not really in a "permanent wave" 🙂. Sorry if that wasn't | 22:18 |
| Arsanerit | Why is The Netherlands not boostering? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?country=DEU~FRA~GBR~ESP~ITA~NLD | 22:18 |
| Dredd | I mean if it is in a permanent wave, then the UK is in a tidal wave | 22:18 |
| Dredd | 😛 | 22:18 |
| Arsanerit | Standing wave. | 22:19 |
| Dredd | ha ha I suppose it would be | 22:19 |
| Dredd | To the oscilloscopery! | 22:19 |
| minthos | all particles are waves | 22:21 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, good question according to https://www.government.nl/topics/coronavirus-covid-19/dutch-vaccination-programme/booster-vaccination they should | 22:23 |
| de-facto | seems they prioritize vulnerables first? | 22:25 |
| de-facto | "Since 19 November 2021, everyone aged 80 and over is being invited to get their booster vaccination. The aim is for as many seniors as possible to get a booster vaccination before the end of the year. Care home residents aged 18 and over are also getting their booster vaccinations now, as well as healthcare workers and social support workers who work directly with patients and clients." | 22:32 |
| de-facto | "From 3 December 2021 invitations will be sent to people with Down’s syndrome. After these groups have received their booster vaccinations, invitations will be sent to everyone under 60, in order of descending age." | 22:32 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/netherlands-to-require-booster-shots-for-travel-from-february-2022/ | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.schengenvisainfo.com: Netherlands to Require Booster Shots for Travel from February 2022 - SchengenVisaInfo.com | 22:34 |
| de-facto | "The Dutch Minister of Health, Hugo de Jonge, has announced that starting from February 2022 the country’s authorities will only recognise COVID-19 vaccination certificates that indicate that the holder has received a booster shot." | 22:34 |
| Arsanerit | Hmm. | 22:35 |
| Arsanerit | My wife is not eligible for a booster shot yet in February, because her second dose is from September... | 22:35 |
| Arsanerit | I heard some German discussions about exempting people with boosters from the test requirement in 2G+. Aren't the rules complicated enough yet? | 22:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from University of Washington: UW Global WACh Aims to Advance the Interconnected Health of Women, Adolescents, and Children: _Paul J. Brown Photography.jpg Close Image credit: Paul J. Brown Photography View image caption Women, [... want %more?] → https://globalhealth.washington.edu/news/2021/12/08/uw-global-wach-aims-advance-interconnected-health-women-adolescents-and-children | 22:36 |
| de-facto | but Feb would be 5 months, so why not? | 22:36 |
| Arsanerit | Vaccination centre in our Landkreis says 6 months | 22:37 |
| Arsanerit | "Voraussetzung ist, dass die zweite Impfung mindestens sechs Monaten zurückliegt." | 22:38 |
| de-facto | https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Kommissionen/STIKO/Empfehlungen/PM_2021-11-18.html | 22:39 |
| de-facto | .tr <de "Die Auffrischimpfungen soll in der Regel im Abstand von 6 Monaten zur letzten Impfstoffdosis der Grundimmunisierung erfolgen. Eine Verkürzung des Impfabstandes auf 5 Monate kann im Einzelfall oder wenn genügend Kapazitäten vorhanden sind erwogen werden." | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, German to English: "The booster vaccinations should usually be given at an interval of 6 months from the last vaccine dose of the basic vaccination. A shortening of the vaccination interval to 5 months can be considered in individual cases or if sufficient capacities are available." (MyMemory, Google) | 22:39 |
| de-facto | I will try this next Friday, if they send me away i have another appointment in Feb | 22:40 |
| Arsanerit | But mandating a booster is also a problem for people who were late in getting their 1st dose, and might have a 2nd dose only from October or November. Such people should have plenty of antibodies anyway. | 22:40 |
| de-facto | today it was 5 months since i completed 2nd shot, so in Feb its more than 6 months then | 22:40 |
| Arsanerit | Rather than mandating a booster for all (as a requirement to count as vaccinated), I think it would be more fair to mandate a booster only if 2nd dose is more than a certain time in the past. | 22:42 |
| Arsanerit | (mandate to still count as vaccinated, I mean; mandatory vaccinations are a different discussion) | 22:42 |
| de-facto | to be honest i dont do it because of any regulations, i want the protection from it | 22:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Dec 13, 2021: FDA food outbreak response plan COVID-19 and long incubations H5N6 avian flu case in China → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/12/news-scan-dec-13-2021 | 22:45 |
| Arsanerit | Me too | 22:46 |
| Arsanerit | But someone whose 2nd dose is only 3 months ago may still be protected pretty well? | 22:46 |
| de-facto | depends on the mutant that contaminates | 22:47 |
| de-facto | if its Omicron, not really, but most likely will prevent severe progressions | 22:48 |
| minthos | rules can never get too complicated for Germany, it's their main cultural stereotype | 22:49 |
| de-facto | oh believe me rules get hilariously complicated here, honestly so much that noone really knows the current set completely | 22:51 |
| de-facto | in my opinion there should be a limit, half a page with full font size max, 3 most important points or such | 22:52 |
| Arsanerit | minthos: I've lived in Germany for nearly three years now, and I think you're right. | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Peacock (@PeacockFlu): Q. for human coronavirus folks - what's the hypothesis for the big divergence between HKU1 genotypes (particularly in Spike)? FluB-style divergent evolution in humans, multiple spillover events (from rodents?), or something else entirely? or do we just not know [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/PeacockFlu/status/1470510515839459333 | 22:55 |
| de-facto | though i have to say everyone i meet is in good spirit of collaboration with containing COVID in a constructive way | 22:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahrain: +44 cases (now 278109), +20518 tests (now 7.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 22:59 |
| LjL | The German rules do seem pretty complicated | 23:00 |
| de-facto | how come Italy is doing so well right now LjL? i read that hospital beds reserved for COVID are empty | 23:03 |
| LjL | I don't know | 23:04 |
| LjL | I don't hear many news from Italy because TV just makes me mad | 23:04 |
| de-facto | i am happy to read that, yet i would like to understand reasons | 23:04 |
| de-facto | is it because of vaccinations? | 23:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Rapid Omicron spread prompts rise in UK COVID alert level: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Dec 13, 2021 "No one should be in any doubt: there is a tidal wave of Omicron coming," Prime Minister Boris Johnson says. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/12/rapid-omicron-spread-prompts-rise-uk-covid-alert-level | 23:04 |
| LjL | Look at the curve. We're late, but we're rising | 23:04 |
| LjL | Also we could (and did) ask the sane question about Germany all this while :P Germany did much better than most countries until the current wave. Was there really a solid answer? | 23:05 |
| LjL | Vaccinations may have to do with it I guess, Spain is also "late" and they're highly vaccinated | 23:06 |
| de-facto | for Italy it looks like Rt(4d) ~ 1.15 hence doubling each T2 = 4d Ln(2)÷Ln(1,15) ~ 20 days | 23:06 |
| LjL | But as usual in wary of making a causal relationship to the waves because there's always some possible reason but there are also always counterexamples and I'm unconvinced | 23:07 |
| LjL | s/in/I'm/ | 23:08 |
| de-facto | hmm sometimes i almost tend to assume that the answer is right in the question: " Germany did much better than most countries until the current wave" | 23:09 |
| de-facto | it may be partly due to psychology, people becoming careless assuming its over, partly due to biology, high contact rate individuals connecting densely interconnected cohorts not immunized (e.g. by previous infection or vaccination) | 23:10 |
| de-facto | so maybe countries like Italy and Spain, that have a memory of how bad it can get (from experience in the past) as well as more vaccinations combined with more immunization of those cohorts interconnecting individuals determine a slower time dependent reproduction number Rt? | 23:12 |
| Arsanerit | Sweden is "late" and not so highly vaccinated. | 23:13 |
| de-facto | Sweden, Spain and Italy look pretty similar in terms of incidence | 23:14 |
| Arsanerit | But Sweden doesn't have that many vaccinations | 23:16 |
| Arsanerit | Not awful, but also not much better than Germany or Netherlands | 23:17 |
| de-facto | yet they most likely had more infections | 23:18 |
| de-facto | at those points in society that have highest contact rates | 23:18 |
| de-facto | because such individuals would have increased contamination risk compared to averaged over all citizens | 23:19 |
| de-facto | overdispersion always will play a role with SARS-CoV-2 | 23:19 |
| de-facto | if circumstances allow for that of course: to what degree is a minority of carriers responsible for the majority of new infections? | 23:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Man takes 10 COVID vaccine shots in single day → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rfrhix/man_takes_10_covid_vaccine_shots_in_single_day/ | 23:23 |
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| gieroii[m] | Money makes the world go rund | 23:29 |
| Dredd | <de-facto> "in my opinion there should be..." <- Lol, in UK you get 3 words and they had better rhyme. E.g. "Hands, Face, Space" | 23:33 |
| de-facto | yeah and that most likely is much better if people remember the most important 3 points | 23:35 |
| de-facto | i usually just call them and ask, because i dont have the motivation to read books and books of rules | 23:36 |
| de-facto | with someone else in the call on speaker just listening, in case of later dispute | 23:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +5648 cases (now 34.7 million), +4 deaths (now 475640) since 17 hours ago — Kuwait: +49 cases (now 413760), +23342 tests (now 5.6 million) since a day ago — Netherlands: +13801 cases (now 2.9 million) since 22 hours ago | 23:36 |
| Arsanerit | Dredd: https://what3words.com/hands.face.space | 23:40 |
| Arsanerit | Dredd: hands face space is just off the coast of North Wales | 23:41 |
| Dredd | Plenty of space out there | 23:41 |
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