libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2021-12-17

BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The Molnupiravir anti-Covid pill randomized trial published @NEJM today. Final results are quite  different (half the efficacy) from the highly encouraging interim results nejm.org/doi/full/10.10…How does it compare with [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/147161491078207897900:05
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Molnupiravir for Oral Treatment of Covid-19 in Nonhospitalized Patients ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/QCSNGXH9 )00:16
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: The Molnupiravir anti-Covid pill randomized trial published @NEJM today. Final results are quite different (half the efficacy) from the highly encouraging interim results https://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116044?query=featured_home How does it compare with Paxlovid? https://erictopol.substack.com/p/why-paxlovid-is-a-just-in-time-breakthrough https://t.co/0W5x5PUMcQ (00:21
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/6KWX2DI3 )00:21
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Why Paxlovid is a Just-in-Time Breakthrough ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/RJ9CZ4QB )00:21
BrainstormNew from Politico: Coronavirus: G7 countries warn Omicron ‘biggest threat to global public health’ → https://www.politico.eu/article/g7-countries-warn-omicron-biggest-threat-to-global-public-health/00:24
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Pfizer Announces Additional Phase 2/3 Study Results Confirming Robust Efficacy of Novel COVID-19 Oral Antiviral Treatment Candidate in Reducing Risk of Hospitalization or Death | Pfizer ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/WQKIS3XF )00:26
BrainstormNew from The Lancet (Online): [Viewpoint] COVID-19 vaccine strategies must focus on severe disease and global equity: In September, 2020, the WHO Prioritisation Roadmap for COVID-19 vaccines gave priority to prevention of severe disease and the highest risk groups. In July, 2021, the [... want %more?] → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02835-X/fulltext00:34
BrainstormNew from ScienceNews: A CDC panel recommends mRNA COVID-19 vaccines over J&J’s, citing fewer risks: Pfizer’s and Moderna's vaccines are more effective and cause fewer serious side effects than Johnson & Johnson’s jab, new data show. → https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-johnson-vaccine-cdc-advisory-panel-mrna01:02
BrainstormUpdates for Vietnam: +34062 cases (now 1.5 million), +241 deaths (now 28857), +142729 tests (now 71.9 million) since a day ago — Argentina: +5301 cases (now 5.4 million), +17 deaths (now 116874), +60675 tests (now 26.9 million) since a day ago — Canada: +6431 cases (now 1.9 million) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?]01:03
LjLTaken together, the risks and benefits of the mRNA vaccines outweigh those of the J&J jab. For instance, for every million women 18 to 49 years old vaccinated with the J&J shot, 3,729 hospitalizations from COVID19 would be prevented. But nine cases of TTS and five cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome would be expected. The mRNA vaccines in women in that age group would avert 4,700 hospitalizations and produce two cases of myocarditis, a usually mild inflammation of01:05
LjL the heart muscle.01:05
LjLnice, some actual down-to-earth comparisons of what to expect01:05
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: A CDC panel recommends mRNA COVID-19 vaccines over J&J’s, citing fewer risks ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/P4JF9HM2 )01:06
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: PBS NewsHour (@NewsHour): "We have no evidence that the virus itself is more mild," @EricTopol says of the omicron COVID-19 variant.He tells @WmBrangham. "Until we have that, we have to assume that people who don't have any protection are highly vulnerable to getting very ill." [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/147163453737348710401:21
* enyc hrrms at:-01:22
enychttps://www.independentsage.org/emergency-statement-on-omicron-15-december-2021/01:23
enycindie_SAGE speaking tomorrow  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjU6zwL_4GU01:23
LjLare this people who have a beef with the actual SAGE?01:34
squirrelsage is ok01:38
squirreli have beef with lavender01:38
enycLjL: no, more beef with govt and lolitics =)01:40
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19: Study reveals Hong Kong jabs are 'inadequate' against Omicron, as mainland remains off city's high-risk list despite variant cases - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ri4caz/covid19_study_reveals_hong_kong_jabs_are/01:40
BrainstormUpdates for Australia: +3722 cases (now 242678), +8 deaths (now 2134) since 22 hours ago — Rwanda: +142 cases (now 101030), +12246 tests (now 3.7 million) since 23 hours ago — Switzerland: +12 deaths (now 11932) since 11 hours ago01:47
BrainstormNew from Politico: Coronavirus: EU triggers order of vaccines adapted for Omicron variant → https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-triggers-order-of-vaccines-adapted-for-omicron-variant/01:50
LjLhurray01:53
LjLde-facto, ↑01:53
LjLbut who knows when we'll get them01:54
LjLnot any time soon01:54
LjLi wish we could get the existing (but not fully trialled) Beta and Delta vaccines...01:54
LjLi bet they'd be *much* better than the regular ones against Omicron01:54
LjLand we could have them much sooner01:54
de-factoi would wish for multivalent vaccines, containing a well balanced cocktail of variants virulent enough to be parent for future problematic mutants01:58
BrainstormUpdates for Ivory Coast: +55 cases (now 61998), +2445 tests (now 1.2 million) since a day ago01:59
de-facto"Speaking to journalists after a meeting of the European Council, the Commission president said EU leaders had triggered clauses in the contract signed with vaccine-makers that allows them to ask for the development of an adapted vaccine within 100 days."01:59
LjLde-facto, there's *no* way the trials will take place within 100 days though02:01
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Assessment of the further emergence of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron VOC in the context of the ongoing Delta VOC transmission in the EU/EEA, 18th update ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/3SXP99GB )02:01
LjLthe development could happen in one week and it could still take 1 year to trial it02:01
de-facto100 days from now would be March 27th 202202:02
de-factoi think that could be realistic02:02
de-factoquestion indeed would be how exactly they defined development02:03
de-factoi hope approved and running production02:03
de-factofrom all infections that took place with SARS-CoV-2, cant we just estimate the portion that each of its variants contributed?02:05
de-factowhy would we not use such a metric for mandatory inclusion of spike protein signatures in vaccines, no later than X days after the first sequences for a variant have been taken?02:06
de-factoi.e. include all such signatures for wide spread variants in same proportions into the vaccines as they have occurred naturally contributing to over all time infections02:07
de-factothe vaccine manufacturers do a great job, but they have to be forced to perform even better by putting them under pressure to do more research and development02:08
de-factoso how to force them? by having them risk their precious approval (in large market blocs such as EU) since that is where it potentially would affect them the most: their profits02:09
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Striking Antibody Evasion Manifested by the Omicron Variant of SARS-CoV-2 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ri4tq2/striking_antibody_evasion_manifested_by_the/02:09
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Coronavirus Europe: UK travellers to France face stricter rules to slow COVID-19 variant Omicron | 16DEC21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/ri4z96/coronavirus_europe_uk_travellers_to_france_face/02:19
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): If we do a very simple 10-day projection of this rate of growth we get ~2100 daily Omicron cases in King County on Dec 22. This is ~3.5 times the Delta peak in King County in August and this is only 1 week away. 11/12 pic.twitter.com/eCmbMwXaTM → https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/147165186070446489902:29
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): I expect case loads to climb suddenly and rapidly in a large number of well connected cities over the next week. This will take many by surprise but was baked in as soon as we knew Omicron Rt. 12/12 → https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/147165186252054937602:38
BrainstormUpdates for St. Martin: +35 cases (now 4008), +24063 tests (now 78366) since 10 days ago — Bermuda: +31 cases (now 5815), +4124 tests (now 671065) since 2 days ago — Guinea-Bissau: +3 cases (now 6455), +325 tests (now 109448) since a day ago03:14
BrainstormUpdates for British Virgin Islands: +44 cases (now 2886) since 2 days ago03:39
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): What we'd really like to know now is if 3 doses of Novavax works better against Delta and Omicron. Pfizer and Moderna had the foresight to do those booster trials this summer. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147167260198649037203:47
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): Would be great if someone could analyze neutralizing activity against Omicron from those different combinations of vaccines and boosters, as @BalazsLab did for 3xRNA and 1xJJ + 1xRNA. Then we'll know how well Novavax can sub for RNA as a [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147167418856172749203:57
BrainstormUpdates for Bolivia: +2119 cases (now 560684), +19 deaths (now 19391) since 3 hours ago04:10
finely[m]<xx> "ublx: you're right, however that..." <- It seem the current consensus is COVID is very infrequently spread by fomites. Alcohol is a mutagen. Plain soap, warm water and physical scrubbing is the best way to kill COVID on surfaces. A soapy washcloth in a ziplock bag is probably the best way to clean hand when out and about (if there are no sinks and plain soap).04:14
LjLdeja vu04:20
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Covid-19: A winter of severe illness and death for the unvaccinated, says Joe Biden → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/covid-19-omicron-united-states-joe-biden-vaccine-7677026/04:35
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Miss World 2021 ‘temporarily postpones’ after contestants, including India’s Manasa Varanasi, test Covid positive → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/miss-world-2021-temporarily-postpones-covid-19-manasa-varanasi-india-7677018/04:54
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): This raises the possibility 3x Novavax also allows broader antibody coverage to have some protection against Omicron, as we see with 3x Pfizer. I hope @Novavax  will do the study (or get @BalazsLab to do it).twitter.com/michaelzlin/st… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147169799881186099405:32
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +51398 cases (now 6.7 million) since 19 hours ago — Belgium: +10040 cases (now 2.0 million), +34 deaths (now 27763), +81004 tests (now 26.3 million) since a day ago — Japan: +193 cases (now 1.7 million), +2 deaths (now 18378), +54109 tests (now 28.7 million) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +88013 cases (now 11.2 million), +147 deaths (now 147396) since 16 hours ago05:38
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): “We weren’t actually prepared before the Omicron variant emerged,” Dr. Bansal said to @NYtimes. And now that Omicron is here? “We’re not ready,” she said. I do hope that our early flagging and action on #Omicron allows the world to prepare and save lives. → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/147170183597098189105:51
BrainstormUpdates for Panama: +406 cases (now 482230), +3 deaths (now 7397), +8943 tests (now 4.3 million) since 22 hours ago — India: +4875 cases (now 34.7 million), +391 deaths (now 476869), +1259932 tests (now 661.5 million) since 4 hours ago06:02
BrainstormUpdates for England, United Kingdom: +76497 cases (now 9.4 million), +122 deaths (now 127730) since a day ago — New York, United States: +17904 cases (now 2.9 million), +44 deaths (now 58412) since a day ago — Ohio, United States: +11803 cases (now 1.8 million) since a day ago — New Jersey, United States: +7223 cases (now 1.3 million), +16 deaths (now 28659) since a day ago06:40
BrainstormUpdates for Comoros: +17 cases (now 4606) since 21 hours ago07:05
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: Discovery Health, South Africa’s largest private health insurance administrator, releases at-scale, real-world analysis of Omicron outbreak based on 211 000 COVID-19 test results in South Africa, including collaboration with the South Africa → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/ri9iz1/discovery_health_south_africas_largest_private/07:08
BrainstormNew from MedicineNet: (news): Unsung Heroes of the Pandemic: Dogs → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp07:56
minthosa http link, wtf?08:00
DreddLjL, de-facto: I forgot to mention yesterday,  the UK is dropping the 15 minute wait after vaccine administration given the current omicronity08:05
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): 2021.09: On how to think about the effects of vaccines on transmission probability.twitter.com/michaelzlin/st… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147173756865166131308:05
DreddWhich I 100% agree with, this was clearly the main bottle neck on the popup center when I was there08:05
DreddLooks like me managed 750k boosters yesterday.... pretty crazy stuff and very heartening to see!08:09
DreddIn total, 812k vaccinations yesterday08:11
DreddThat means we're boosting more than 1% of the entire UK population per day right now08:12
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): 2021.10: An analysis of the NIH-sponsored mix-and-match booster study (2xModerna or 2xPfizer or 1xJ&J boosted with 1xModerna or 1xPfizer or 1xJ&J)twitter.com/michaelzlin/st… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147173963644353740808:15
Dredd.title https://twitter.com/pwr22/status/147174239652218880008:22
BrainstormDredd: From twitter.com: Peter Roberts (@pwr22): "In the last day, 1.3% of the vaccine eligible in the UK have been boosted! Approx ~750k. Crazy numbers and very heartening to see  #COVID19 #BoosterJab #uk #stats [...]08:22
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): 2021.12: On how 3 strong immunization events produce a broadening of antibody responses to SARSCoV2 spike, so that immunization with original spike can produce antibodies that neutralize Omicron, with implications for JnJers who are only allowed 2 [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147174122795121459308:24
BrainstormUpdates for New Caledonia: +32 cases (now 12477) since a day ago — Germany: +51400 cases (now 6.7 million) since 21 hours ago08:32
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): And Canada still has a travel ban to southern Africa! Maybe that is why he looks so tense (love the quote below) as it is difficult to explain why #Omicron is taking over in Ontario given their effective 'racist travel ban' interventions... twitter.com/DavidAnber/sta… → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/147174293449629286708:33
xxanyone have a list of corona-related android apps? I don't use playstore and f-droid doesn't have a useful search function.08:53
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): Finally, what we've been waiting for: age-controlled data on Omicron severity, courtesy SA health ministry.Across all ages, deaths among hospitalized pts are 2/3 lower in Omicron wave.If more mild cases are admitted, this # goes down, but doesn't [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147174939158521446508:53
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | December 17, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ricijd/daily_discussion_thread_december_17_2021/09:03
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): Worst-case scenario, if everyone had been previously infected, and we consider that 1 dose of vaccine mimics prior infection and most people have 2 doses (some 3), then they should be at least 67% protected against death, if most fatalities are [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147175451088416358409:12
xxI can't get over the phrases "protects against death" in media...09:14
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): @b_chinnian5 Worst-case interpretation: all SA had been previously infected and that's why this wave is milder. But if we consider that 1 vaccine dose mimics prior infection and 2 doses are much more effective, then vaccines should give much better [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147175684626012160309:22
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): Actually since they said most hospitalizations are unvaccinated, then the relative risk of death for vaccinated is already several times lower than for unvaccinated (but maybe previously infected), which is already 1/3 of previous waves. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147175898108117401709:31
BrainstormUpdates for West Bengal, India: +660 cases (now 1.6 million), +12 deaths (now 19645) since a day ago — Delhi, India: +85 cases (now 1.4 million) since a day ago09:34
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Omicron symptoms: Is a runny nose a cold or Covid? → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-5414529909:41
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): So worst case:• Unvaxxed infected IFR ~0.3% (assuming 1% for unvaxxed uninfected in previous waves, and similar hospitalization rate for Omicron)• Vaxxed IFR several times lower (depends on ratio of unvaxxed to vaxxed in the hospitalized group) → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147176280989349478609:50
BrainstormUpdates for Philippines: +448 cases (now 2.8 million), +74 deaths (now 50570) since 23 hours ago09:59
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): Best-case scenario: Most hospitalized patients were immune-naive because those who got hospitalized tended to be those without prior immunity, in which case the lower death rate means Omicron is inherently less deadly as well. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147176858993381376110:10
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Scientists are racing to gauge the threat of Omicron → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/scientists-study-omicron-covid-variant-vaccine-efficacy-7677404/10:20
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +88020 cases (now 11.2 million) since 21 hours ago10:37
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Preliminary laboratory data hint at what makes Omicron the most superspreading variant yet: Preliminary data, which provide a first look at how Omicron may behave inside the human body, offers a clue to what might be behind its [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/17/preliminary-laboratory-data-hint-at-what-makes-omicron-the-most-superspreading-variant-yet/10:39
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Opinion: It’s not the mission of universities to perpetuate inequity. Why do Emory and others do that?: Research institutions have a choice: be complicit in prolonging the pandemic and preventing access to lifesaving medicines or ensure global access to their publicly [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/17/university-deals-shouldnt-perpetuate-inequity/10:59
BrainstormUpdates for Grenada: +4 cases (now 5919), +650 tests (now 89662) since 5 days ago11:02
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): "As a shorthand, assume that Omicron negates 1 previous immunizing event—an infection or a vaccine dose. Someone who’s been boosted has the same ballpark level of protection against Omicron infection as a vaccinated-but-unboosted person did against [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/147178982611036980111:36
xxthat's such a misleading statement11:38
xxif someone was infected with delta a month ago, and fully recovered, then they are most likely protected against death or serious complications from omicron11:39
TimvdeIf you are vaccinated twice but haven't received a booster, you are most likely protected against death or serious complications from delta11:41
TimvdeI mean, the statement is very unscientific of course, but as a comparison it may hold?11:41
TimvdeHas this been shared already? https://www.med.hku.hk/en/news/press/20211215-omicron-sars-cov-2-infection11:41
xxhonestly, I just want all science reporting to do better, because it appears that any misstep they make just gives more ammunition to the antivaxxers11:41
Timvde(not peer reviewed iiuc)11:42
xxyeah it has been shared already11:42
TimvdeLet me scroll up and look for the discussion then :P11:43
xxI was trying to find info whether the bronchus tissue is even less accessible to the immune system than the rest of lung tissue, but it appears no such research has been done yet11:43
xximmune system and lungs is very poorly studied area11:44
xxwe just know that some or all (nobody really knows yet) parts of the lungs are less accessible to the immune system for some reasons that are still just speculations really11:44
TimvdeBut less severe infection in the lungs sounds to me like an indication of milder symptoms and less damage?11:46
Timvde(but I totally don't know anything about it, so that may be utterly wrong)11:46
Timvde(which is why I brought the article here to discuss)11:47
minthosI read recently that omicron infects goes directly for the throat, which is why it spreads so quickly (directly in the path of exhaled air) and why it doesn't produce as much of the typical symptoms11:48
minthosit will be interesting to see to which degree it can spread from there to the lungs and other places11:48
BrainstormUpdates for Uganda: +209 cases (now 128509), +1 deaths (now 3272), +4812 tests (now 2.0 million) since 20 hours ago — Nepal: +269 cases (now 825445), +3 deaths (now 11570), +14921 tests (now 4.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Timor-Leste: +2 cases (now 19832) since 2 days ago12:04
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: These ‘five distinct symptoms’ may help you differentiate Omicron from regular cold → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/differentiate-between-omicron-variant-regular-cold-cough-flu-symptoms-treatment-7677188/12:06
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19 vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rif11e/risks_of_myocarditis_pericarditis_and_cardiac/12:34
lastshellsome good news https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-17/s-africa-says-hospitalizations-in-omicron-wave-much-lower12:36
xxlastshell: but it's spring/summer in africa12:36
lastshelloh so that means they spend more time outdoors12:37
xxand they have a healthier/younger population than europe/america12:37
lastshellI was getting some hope12:38
sdfgsdfghttps://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471749391585214465/photo/112:44
sdfgsdfg.title12:44
Brainstormsdfgsdfg: From twitter.com: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): "Finally, what we've been waiting for: age-controlled data on Omicron severity, courtesy SA health ministry. Across all ages, deaths among hospitalized pts are [...]12:44
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Covid-19: Second ȷudge says that “most complex covid patient in the world” should be allowed to die: A 56 year old woman described by doctors as “the most complex covid patient in the world” should have ventilation withdrawn and be allowed to die, a second High Court judge has ruled after her family... → http://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3108.short12:44
sdfgsdfgwow, I'm surprised my age bracket 30-39 has even less deaths than 20-2912:44
sdfgsdfgit's like this thing doesn't even touch us12:45
sdfgsdfgtalk about my golden ages, dream come true12:45
de-facto.title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Y2sXkt-cw12:46
Brainstormde-facto: From www.youtube.com: WATCH LIVE | Health Minister Joe Phaahla briefs media on Covid-19 and vaccination rollout programme - YouTube12:46
sdfgsdfglook at that big smile on his face from the thumbnail, it must be good news12:47
de-factosdfgsdfg, its because that age group already most likely got infected before in SA12:47
sdfgsdfgso the kids and elderlies didn't ? :P12:47
sdfgsdfgoutgoing middleaged africans12:48
de-factohttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGy0P7vUcAEYg36?format=jpg&name=4096x409612:49
sdfgsdfgalso these guys get more than >300 days of sunshine a year, their vitamin D levels are probably protective ? if the vitamin D link is true..12:49
de-factohmm its south of the equator, so not so much sunshine with above 45 degree12:51
minthosit's summer there now12:51
minthosthey have loads of sunlight12:51
de-factoRayleigh scattering got a strong dependence on wavelength, i.e. ~ 1/lambda^412:53
de-factomeaning the UV light required to build up Vitamin D is scattered much more likely than longer wavelengths, hence the sky is blue12:53
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): Possible evidence for somewhat lower severity (lower CFR & shorter hospital stays) for Omicron. Though exponentially more infections will likely compensate in terms of pressure on our healthcare systems. Good news though from an individual risk perspective. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/147180994158547353712:54
minthosyou have to subtract 22 degrees of latitude because it's near peak summer12:54
minthosish12:55
de-factoin short: you not only need sunlight exposure to large areas of skin, you also need its shadow to be shorter than the own height in order to build up Vitamin D.12:56
xxsdfgsdfg: because in SA the age bracket of 30-39 does not contain people who would have survived to that age in Europe/America, but 20-29 might still have some people who managed to survive despite the odds12:57
minthoswhich it is in ZA because it's summer there now12:57
xxzair?12:57
minthoszuid-afrika12:57
xxah12:57
xxde-facto: one also needs to have the right skin color to get more vit d production12:59
de-factoyep and age13:00
xxalso, the sky is only blue because they got cheaper blue LEDs instead of wanting to pay for good white LEDs :p13:00
de-factoso indeed that age group may not only have pre-existing immunity from recovery, it also may have the most exposure to sunlight etc13:00
de-factook gonna have to get my booster, wish me luck13:01
lastshellgood luck13:02
lastshellim close to a month after the booster :D13:02
lastshellthey said is when antibodies are on the top13:03
de-factoyep just in time... :D13:03
de-factobbl13:03
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: us: Sticking It to COVID-19: The Expansion of the Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine EUA → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/sticking-it-to-covid-19-the-expansion-of-the-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-eua13:04
BrainstormUpdates for Zambia: +1294 cases (now 214433), +1 deaths (now 3674), +9006 tests (now 2.8 million) since 21 hours ago — Bangladesh: +191 cases (now 1.6 million), +2 deaths (now 28043), +127511 vaccines (now 87.3 million), +16310 tests (now 11.2 million) since 22 hours ago13:06
BrainstormNew from The Atlantic: What’s the Point of Redefining Fully Vaccinated?: For nearly a year now, the phrase fully vaccinated has carried a cachet that it never did before. Being fully vaccinated against COVID-19 is a ticket for a slate of liberties—a pass to travel without testing [... want %more?] → https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/12/fully-vaccinated-cdc-boosters/621037/13:24
xxwhat do vaccinated and unvaccinated people have in common? They will never be fully vaccinated :p13:27
lastshellI saw that on 9gag xx13:29
xxit was said by a politician somewhere13:30
xxbrazil? venezuela?13:30
lastshellmaybe was bolsonaro (brazil)13:32
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Countries with high levels, and increasing, of Omicron are all breaking infection records. This, with different levels of vaccination, is not visible yet in hospitalizations, but not SA is increasing steeply, or deaths. The main cause is the v high infection [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/147181922932216627813:33
BrainstormUpdates for Indonesia: +291 cases (now 4.3 million), +7 deaths (now 143986) since a day ago — Malta: +221 cases (now 41280) since a day ago — Senegal: +14 cases (now 74129) since a day ago13:38
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): Daily omicron updates from UK will be found here: gov.uk/government/pub… → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/147182816065637991314:12
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Washington scrambles to prepare for ‘The Death Winter’ as a Covid-19 'viral blizzard' is about to hit the US, CNN reports. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rigzze/washington_scrambles_to_prepare_for_the_death/14:22
de-factoBoosted with 50μg mRNA-127314:37
BrainstormUpdates for UAE: +234 cases (now 743586), +332243 tests (now 106.3 million) since a day ago — Switzerland: +4190 cases (now 1.2 million), +31 deaths (now 11951), +71755 tests (now 13.5 million) since 23 hours ago14:40
BrainstormNew from StatNews: The tragedy of Johnson & Johnson’s Covid vaccine: Johnson & Johnson’s Covid vaccine was going to be the shot for the world. Now, under the weight of a mountain of bad PR, one wonders if the world will… → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/17/the-tragedy-of-johnson-johnsons-covid-vaccine/14:42
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): No evidence that Omicron is less severe, new @imperialcollege study reportsft.com/content/020534… pic.twitter.com/5YYzJ6tVtc → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/147183926006809395314:52
xxno evidence = we don't know yet14:56
minthosthere have been some hospitalizations in denmark and uk (not enough to be statistically significant enough I think) but it could hint at bad news to come14:58
minthoshttps://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/147177731622531072914:59
xxtoo early, too few numbers15:00
minthosyes15:01
minthosit will be an interesting holiday season for sure15:01
xxeveryone who's gonna be dying over the holidays is currently infected15:01
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: Do Concurrent Vaccines Influence Future Behaviors?: Side effects that occur during concurrent vaccine administrations can influence future vaccine decisions. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/concurrent-vaccine-behavior15:02
xxso there's nothing that can be done anymore15:02
minthospeople will be going into christmas and new year parties thinking it's milder - and data should be arriving around the same time..15:03
minthoswe're basically setting up superspreader events on the gamble that the winter countries with aging populations will be comparable to the summer country with a young population15:04
minthossometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit!15:05
xxheh15:05
xxI got that reference15:05
BrainstormNew from ScienceNews: COVID-19 testing is complicated right now. Here are answers to 6 big questions: There are two major categories of COVID-19 diagnostic tests. Here’s what you need to know when deciding whether to take an at-home test or head to the doctor. → https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-questions-vaccines-variants-accuracy15:12
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Xevudy, sotrovimab, COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 17/12/2021, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/xevudy15:21
disconnect_mehttps://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/sep/1/sorry-facebook-forced-universal-vaccinations-are-n/15:23
BrainstormUpdates for Kenya: +1609 cases (now 260166), +3 deaths (now 5353), +7176 tests (now 2.9 million) since 23 hours ago15:30
dTaloh boy the hippie WhatsApp group is exploding into argument now15:41
dTalI think I helped start something15:41
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Very important point. First time sequencing of a virus linked to optimal treatment, and the supply of Sotrovimab, the only monoclonal effective vs Omicron, is limited twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/st… pic.twitter.com/W9TEghY8pk → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/147185179149081395215:41
dTala *ton* of people coming out of the woodwork to basically say "hol up"15:43
ublxsigh. disconnect_me: we are (well, I am) not inclined to accept unremarked link posting from unknown nicks who have made no other contribution to the channel. especially so if that link is to hack journalism making claims to ridiculous to enter into15:59
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): New vaccine effectiveness data over time from Qatar on Moderna in 880,000 vaccinees vs symptomatic infections medrxiv.org/content/10.110… pic.twitter.com/loQscuHyC0 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/147185944968177664316:11
BrainstormUpdates for Canada: +7597 cases (now 1.9 million), +14 deaths (now 30070) since 23 hours ago16:38
BrainstormNew from Novavax: (news): Novavax and Serum Institute of India Announce World Health Organization Grants Emergency Use Listing for NVX-CoV2373 COVID-19 Vaccine → https://ir.novavax.com/2021-12-17-Novavax-and-Serum-Institute-of-India-Announce-World-Health-Organization-Grants-Emergency-Use-Listing-for-NVX-CoV2373-COVID-19-Vaccine16:40
BrainstormNew from LitCovid: (news): Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on hospital admissions of nursing home residents. → https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/research/coronavirus/publication/3491322817:09
BrainstormUpdates for Netherlands: +15418 cases (now 3.0 million), +60 deaths (now 20828) since 16 hours ago17:35
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +92503 cases (now 11.2 million), +1712404 tests (now 384.3 million) since 23 hours ago18:00
arunsMy ISP has been crapping out this week, so I might have missed some stuff on here.18:03
friedriceWT is some far-right thing now fwiw18:04
friedricedTal: is 'hippie' a pejorative term in your world18:04
dTalfriedrice: I don't know how else to describe18:05
dTalhippie can mean many things, but I am describing a specific type of phenomenon which I have observed18:05
BrainstormNew from EMA: News and press releases: EMA Management Board: highlights of December 2021 meeting, MB, 17/12/2021: COVID-19 updateThe Management Board heard an update from EMA on its COVID-19 activities. Boosters have become  a very important tool in the response to... → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-management-board-highlights-december-2021-meeting18:06
dTalthere's a kind of philosophical orientation, a quasi-religious mode of being, which is most closely defined by "new age" or "hippy", and the people in this subgroup are extremely dangerous18:06
dTalI have no problem with campires, singing about peace, shirtless dancing, soft drugs etc18:07
arunsdTal: What is the current consensus on transmission rates between fully vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals?18:07
arunsI have received two shots thus far18:08
dTalaruns: I'm flattered that you'd ask me. As far as I know, it's too early to say definitively what's happening with omicron except that everyone who comes into contact with an infected person gets infected, vaccine or no18:09
arunsMy understanding is that we can't fully prevent those who have been double vaccinated, say, from transmitting the disease, but that the vaccine is more about individual protection18:10
arunsAs opposed to preventing a vaccinated person from transmitting COVID-19 outright18:10
arunsWell you seem to know your stuff ;) dTal18:10
friedricedTal: so sounds perjorative, if new agers are dangerous18:11
friedricequote unquote18:11
dTalfriedrice: well perjorative makes it sound like I'm inventing an insult for an existing named subgroup18:12
dTalwhat I'm doing is observing a dangerous cultural phenomenon18:12
friedricethe group named itself "hippie"18:12
friedrice?18:12
dTalcall it what you want18:12
dTalthey don't call themselves hippies generally actually18:12
arunsAnd I suppose, like any disease, whether bacterial or viral, it will adapt to survive18:12
dTalthey don't have an internal group identity18:12
friedriceanyway wrong channel, to ask so sorry18:13
dTalwell I don't know that it is18:13
arunsSo maybe the vaccine's USP should be the level of protection it affords18:13
arunsAs opposed to reduced transmission risk18:13
dTalit's pretty relevant, because they're all antivax, and it's not clear to me why18:14
xxaruns: you haven't missed anything, there's still a pandemic out there18:14
xxwill let you know once it is over18:14
friedricearuns: can you answer your own questions for Delta?18:14
arunsxx: I meant that I might have missed some stuff in this channel specifically due to my ISP being crappy18:15
xxaruns: to bring up up to speed then, the bot Brainstorm has been posting various news that can be summed up as "The pandemic is still out there"18:15
friedricearuns: you missed Elon Musk being hospitalized with Omicron during his moon landing18:15
aruns:P xx18:16
aruns;) friedrice18:16
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Derek Lowe (@Dereklowe): An omicron update - it's only been two weeks since my last big post on this, but a lot has been happening since then. Short summary: here it comes.science.org/content/blog-p… → https://twitter.com/Dereklowe/status/147189014804026163618:16
arunsI've only found https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y thus far18:17
Jigsy93K today.18:19
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Immunity from infection and vaccination will reduce severe disease; Omicorn pathogenicity is not much worse than Delta, but there is also no evidence for milder.ft.com/content/020534… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/147189549683487949418:36
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Same message from ONS, with infection rate showing a rapid increase. The message remains; get vaccinated and get your complete set, including the 3rd dose, and do get vaccinated also after infection.assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/upl… pic.twitter.com/APU78z1MBf → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/147189634273376666918:45
dTalso, a lot of social media noise about LFTs not detecting Omicron so well18:54
dTalor at least, not detecting it when people are contagious, which could also be explained I suppose by omicron being much more contagious for a given viral load18:55
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Nice paper on MIS-C in children after SARS-CoV-2 infection; an interplay between T cells, NK cells, and monocytes, mediated by IFNγ. rupress.org/jem/article/21… pic.twitter.com/sJxkN21boE → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/147190212885154202219:04
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): However we must remember omicron severity is still worse with age and other conditions, so countries with older age distributions or more unhealthy people will have higher overall deaths per capita from Omicron than SA even if they have similar % immunity. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147190497417922150619:14
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD  (@michaelzlin): Oh Denmark, how could you. Looks like our work is not done getting people to realize the consequences. Nothing against Merck, but patients shouldn't be taking a drug that's inferior to other options, and nobody can afford to make the epidemic [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/147190809878891725019:23
BrainstormNew from NPR: Pfizer plan to test a third dose of its COVID vaccine on infants and young children: Pfizer and BioNTech, which produced the first COVID-19 vaccine authorized in the U.S., say they will expand ongoing trials to include a third [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/17/1065200225/pfizer-third-dose-covid-vaccine-infants-young-children19:33
BrainstormUpdates for Italy: +28615 cases (now 5.3 million), +120 deaths (now 135421), +669160 tests (now 129.1 million) since a day ago19:33
LjLItaly is not trending good at all :(19:35
dTalomicron is ruining christmas here in UK19:42
dTalI think it's going to blindside a lot of people who slipped into "meh" territory about the virus19:42
dTalit's practically a second pandemic19:42
BrainstormNew from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: AnGes: AG0302-COVID19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/31/19:43
dTalour family had been taking a pretty relaxed view about Christmas, because we've been steady state for a while and none of us got covid so it seemed unlikely that one of us would *happen* to get covid just at Christmas19:44
dTalbut now - cases are doubling daily? Super contagious variant growing explosively, situation changing very fast, and it's looking more and more likely that yeah, one of us *will* have covid by then19:45
lastshellI thing we all going to get covid, the question in when and how bad will be19:49
lastshellthe number of infections is going up every day19:49
dTaloh look I found a Guardian article which discusses exactly what friedrice was challenging me about: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/22/leftwingers-far-right-conspiracy-theories-anti-vaxxers-power19:50
LjLdTal, we're cancelling christmas in my family19:52
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): Child Covid hospital admissions rising in England. Esp. the youngest, like reported from SA. twitter.com/TigressEllie/s… → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/147191442606007910819:52
dTalLjL, I'm sorry to hear, though it's doubtless the correct choice. How often do you see your family?19:52
LjLdTal, also i had a discussion with someone too shy to join these channels about your perplexity with Omicron seemingly "eating up" Delta (in the graphs at https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1042100/20211217_OS_Daily_Omicron_Overview.pdf ) but without the cases actually rising. he was perplexed too, but more in the sense "there must be something wrong with those graphs" because he is pretty convinced19:53
LjLcases *are* sharply going up (and i guess today's data confirm it...) so he gave me these other graphs which give a slightly different impression19:53
LjLhttps://twitter.com/theosanderson/status/1471905050998026253/photo/119:53
dTalYeah I was pretty convinced it was a graph issue19:54
LjLdTal, i see my parents, sometimes my sister, but i haven't seen aunts, uncle and cousins since... i don't know, christmas 2019 probably19:54
LjLdTal, also https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FG0miosX0Ag8DAC?format=png&name=small19:54
dTaloh ruddy nora19:55
dTalthat's a *log scale*19:55
LjLthe UKHSA graphs also say "Figure 1. COVID-19 cases with detectable S gene/SGTF and percentage with SGTF among those tested in TaqPath Labs19:55
LjLby day, by region"19:55
LjLdTal, yes, the idea being London is being pretty crazy right now19:55
dTaljesus and jeffery christ19:55
LjLanyway TaqPath seems to be a PCR test and i don't really know if those graphs are limited *entirely* to those labs or what19:56
LjLmy friend also didn't quite understand it but i guess it's a hint those graphs may be tainted19:56
dTalwhere's that last horrifying graph from?19:56
LjLdTal, i'm afraid i don't know, if i ask him too many question he tends to eat me alive :P but the mentioned @BristOliver... it's not a twitter handle, but let's see...19:58
LjLoh it is, i must have mistyped it19:58
LjLdTal, lol, his profile starts with "Logscale superfan."19:59
BrainstormUpdates for Mozambique: +1382 cases (now 158111), +4744 tests (now 1.0 million) since 18 hours ago19:59
LjLdTal, so this is the "source" https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/147187507043183411719:59
LjLhe just says he got them from the dashboard data so i guess you can just reproduce it if you want20:00
dTalI don't even know how to parse such a steep exponential20:02
LjLdTal, https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/coronavirus--covid-19--cases20:03
de-factoooOOFF20:05
de-factois this a fractal? the same curve over and over again but scaled?20:05
LjLsadly it even looks like in London, people 80+ years old are actually *less* vaccinated than their younger peers :(20:07
LjLlike, much less. you have to go to the 18-24 age range to see worse.20:07
LjL(at a glance)20:07
dTalthat's not totally irrational20:13
dTalpeople of advanced age are more likely to have vaccine contraindications20:14
dTaland probably less likely to regard the vaccine as a lifesaving measure, as they believe they can avoid the virus until they die, or else they believe the virus will kill them with or without the vaccine20:15
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pfizer testing extra Covid vaccine dose for kids under 5: Pfizer said Friday it was changing plans and testing three doses of its Covid-19 vaccine in babies and preschoolers instead of the usual two. → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/17/pfizer-testing-extra-covid-vaccine-dose-for-kids-under-5/20:21
LjLdTal, de-facto: you may be interested in this site https://www.metaculus.com/questions/?order_by=-activity&search=COVID20:23
dTaldid you get that from the omicron blog20:23
LjLdTal, if it's anything like in italy, the problem is that it's harder to reach those people and some need to get the vaccine at home and it's hard20:24
LjLdTal, from Tueyo's post20:24
dTalyou mean Pueyo20:24
LjLyes20:24
dTaland yeah, I ended up on that same site for the same reason20:24
dTalit strikes me that it suffers from an Emperor's Nose problem20:24
dTalhttps://imaginatorium.org/stuff/nose.htm20:25
dTalre: vaccinating old people, that makes sense20:25
ArsaneritA German federal court has struck down a law banning unvaccinated people from non-essential shops.20:25
LjLdTal, maybe, but other estimates suffer from various kinds of biases, so eh, sometimes this is also a useful tool20:26
dTalmz`: you seem to have a connection problem20:27
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): Here, chart showing weekly hospitalizations in children 0-5 years through the pandemic in England. New record the last 7 days - 49% increase from the week before twitter.com/Antonio_Carami… → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/147192481018800947420:30
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Efficacy and Safety of NVX-CoV2373 in Adults in the United States and Mexico ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/DPKD7N3I )20:31
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Metaculus ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/96M8VRRN )20:36
BrainstormUpdates for Spain: +33359 cases (now 5.5 million), +41 deaths (now 88708) since a day ago — S. Sudan: +94 cases (now 13143) since 23 hours ago — Sierra Leone: +18 cases (now 6452) since a day ago — France: +60721 cases (now 8.6 million), +174 deaths (now 122158) since 23 hours ago20:36
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Myocarditis after Covid-19 Vaccination in a Large Health Care Organization ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/ZFC33MV7 )20:41
BrainstormNew from Politico: Last orders! Irish pubs face 8pm closures to combat Omicron: 'We’re going to see a massive rise in infections,' Prime Minister Martin tells the nation. 'Vaccines aren’t going to be enough to get through this wave.' → https://www.politico.eu/article/ireland-dublin-coronavirus-covid-19-omicron-europe/20:50
lastshellLjL you are canceling xmas just reading up20:55
lastshellyou and fam are vaxxed and boosted ?20:55
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Report 48 - The value of vaccine booster doses to mitigate the global impact of the Omicron SARS-CoV-2 variant → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ripbni/report_48_the_value_of_vaccine_booster_doses_to/20:59
BrainstormUpdates for Togo: +84 cases (now 26550), +2334 tests (now 597792) since a day ago21:01
LjLlastshell, yes, but so were some of the people in that party yesterday that all got omicron anyway21:05
Arsaneritpizza delivery + vaccine delivery!21:06
LjL<Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Omicron five times more likely to reinfect than Delta, no milder, study says → https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rip5xm/omicron_five_times_more_likely_to_reinfect_than/21:06
lastshellsorry to hear that LjL i wish speady recovery21:07
BrainstormNew from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLE INFRASTRUTTURE E DELLA MOBILITA' SOSTENIBILI - DECRETO 15 novembre 2021: Istituzione di un Fondo volto a  ristorare  le  citta'  portuali  chehanno subito perdite  economiche  a  seguito  del  calo  del  turismocrocieristico derivante dall'epidemia di [... want %more?] → http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2021/12/17/21A07342/SG21:09
LjLi found a new "general COVID" site https://covidreference.com/top1021:10
LjLlastshell, i'm talking about other people, not my family. i'm just saying omicron infects the boosted people too21:10
Arsaneritwill novavax help?21:11
Arsaneritor rather Nuvaxovid / Covovax21:11
LjLfirst time i heard of those21:13
LjLNovavax... Novavax would have been good, as a general vaccine, it may still be useful as a booster, but i don't think it has anything "special" when it comes to variants. it's not a variant-specific vaccine21:13
Arsaneritenwiki says 100% effective against hospitalisation for alpha21:18
LjLyes but it's Alpha, Pfizer and Moderna had similar results against D614G which is probably not a whole lot different from Alpha21:22
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: Pfizer-BioNTech Testing 3 Doses to Boost Vaccine Efficacy in Children Under 5: Pfizer-BioNTech will be testing 3 doses of their vaccine in children older than 6 months and younger than 5 years, instead of the original 2-dose regimen. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/pfizer-biontech-testing-3-doses-to-boost-vaccine-efficacy-in-children-under-521:31
BrainstormUpdates for Ethiopia: +617 cases (now 375019), +4 deaths (now 6859), +7488 tests (now 4.0 million) since 20 hours ago — Malawi: +536 cases (now 63944), +2245 tests (now 458637) since a day ago21:32
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): Epidemic curve in Johannesburg/Pretoria that was straight up and continues straight down suggests we’re missing something fundamental about variant. Either attack rate is narrowed to sub segment of population, we’re undercounting mild or [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/147194169296209921221:41
BrainstormNew from NPR: U.S. military moves to discharge service members who refuse to get vaccinated: Military officials say that, after months of warnings, they have begun disciplinary actions. The Army has reprimanded 2,700 [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/17/1065286802/u-s-military-moves-to-discharge-service-members-who-refuse-to-get-vaccinated21:50
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): Our knowledge of Omicron is expanding all the time thanks to great and urgent work from scientists. The findings outlined in this mini-thread could be very important indeed. twitter.com/guptar_lab/sta… → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/147194788998330368022:09
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): Still no solid evidence that Omicron is innately less severe than other variants, but I now make this the second plausible mechanism through which it *could* be less severe twitter.com/guptar_lab/sta… → https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/147195463722168320222:28
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: With Omicron rising in US, feds unveil plan to keep kids in school: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Dec 17, 2021 Test to Stay involves testing close contacts of a COVID-19 student at least twice in the week after exposure. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/12/omicron-rising-us-feds-unveil-plan-keep-kids-school22:38
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: Uncertainty swirls around Omicron COVID-19 severity: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Dec 17, 2021 New UK estimations cast doubt on whether Omicron cases are less severe than Delta variant infections. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/12/uncertainty-swirls-around-omicron-covid-19-severity22:47
BrainstormUpdates for Kuwait: +81 cases (now 413972), +23137 tests (now 5.7 million) since 21 hours ago23:00
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid: More measures needed to limit hospitalisations - Sage scientists → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-5970725223:07
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dutch health experts advise a full lockdown to slow Omicron -media → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/risdav/dutch_health_experts_advise_a_full_lockdown_to/23:35
BrainstormUpdates for Algeria: +299 cases (now 214044), +4 deaths (now 6175) since a day ago — India: +11418 cases (now 34.7 million), +419 deaths (now 476897) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +15453 cases (now 3.0 million), +62 deaths (now 20830) since 22 hours ago23:37
oerheksnote: in NL it is hard to get tested. so numbers decline.23:38
xxno tests, no covid23:41
xxa good way of showing everyone the numbers are down to have a nice shopping spree before the xmas holidays23:41
LjLwell if they're advising a full lockdown maybe that's not really their plan23:42
LjLunless they're independent experts and the government experts want it the other way around23:42
oerhekslockdown, but checking flightradar24 makes me laugh about prevention23:43
LjLoh shush don't tell de-facto or he'll start compulsively checking flight radars and trying to yell to aircraft to go back :P23:43
xxwhere's a volcano when you need one23:44
oerheksyelling? a bag with balloons, alufoil strips and a cylinder of gas will do.23:44
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Yes, infections will get (very) high, be prepared for it. But, will severe disease and fatalities be sufficiently limited? It should, immunity is in place and will not be circumvented. But, Delta, and now even more Omicron are incredibly fast; it will push [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/147197296738720972823:45
LjLoerheks, don't suggest such things please :P23:45
oerheksLjL, i just wanted to offer that kid a party23:45
LjLsure sure :P23:46
de-factothe flights are the reason its going to continue.23:51
Malvoliooughtn't more actively measures be taken to deny the growth of novel coronavirus variants in this area?23:52
oerheksde-facto, it does not prevent, but it still is silly to fly23:52
LjLthis should work against vaccine-induced fivegeetopenia23:53
LjL%title https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/12/anti-5g-quantum-pendants-are-radioactive/23:53
BrainstormLjL: From arstechnica.com: Anti-5G “quantum pendants” are radioactive | Ars Technica23:53
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): So this is the moment where, besides continuing to vaccinate and treating the patients, we can only wait for nature to reveal the bigger picture. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/147197296915720603123:54
de-factoits how the initial spread took place and every variant after that, hence why should we assume it would not continue if its the known mechanism of spread over continents?23:58

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