Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The Molnupiravir anti-Covid pill randomized trial published @NEJM today. Final results are quite different (half the efficacy) from the highly encouraging interim results nejm.org/doi/full/10.10…How does it compare with [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1471614910782078979 | 00:05 |
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-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Molnupiravir for Oral Treatment of Covid-19 in Nonhospitalized Patients ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/QCSNGXH9 ) | 00:16 | |
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: The Molnupiravir anti-Covid pill randomized trial published @NEJM today. Final results are quite different (half the efficacy) from the highly encouraging interim results https://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116044?query=featured_home How does it compare with Paxlovid? https://erictopol.substack.com/p/why-paxlovid-is-a-just-in-time-breakthrough https://t.co/0W5x5PUMcQ ( | 00:21 | |
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/6KWX2DI3 ) | 00:21 | |
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Why Paxlovid is a Just-in-Time Breakthrough ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/RJ9CZ4QB ) | 00:21 | |
Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: G7 countries warn Omicron ‘biggest threat to global public health’ → https://www.politico.eu/article/g7-countries-warn-omicron-biggest-threat-to-global-public-health/ | 00:24 |
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Pfizer Announces Additional Phase 2/3 Study Results Confirming Robust Efficacy of Novel COVID-19 Oral Antiviral Treatment Candidate in Reducing Risk of Hospitalization or Death | Pfizer ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/WQKIS3XF ) | 00:26 | |
Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Viewpoint] COVID-19 vaccine strategies must focus on severe disease and global equity: In September, 2020, the WHO Prioritisation Roadmap for COVID-19 vaccines gave priority to prevention of severe disease and the highest risk groups. In July, 2021, the [... want %more?] → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02835-X/fulltext | 00:34 |
Brainstorm | New from ScienceNews: A CDC panel recommends mRNA COVID-19 vaccines over J&J’s, citing fewer risks: Pfizer’s and Moderna's vaccines are more effective and cause fewer serious side effects than Johnson & Johnson’s jab, new data show. → https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-johnson-vaccine-cdc-advisory-panel-mrna | 01:02 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Vietnam: +34062 cases (now 1.5 million), +241 deaths (now 28857), +142729 tests (now 71.9 million) since a day ago — Argentina: +5301 cases (now 5.4 million), +17 deaths (now 116874), +60675 tests (now 26.9 million) since a day ago — Canada: +6431 cases (now 1.9 million) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?] | 01:03 |
LjL | Taken together, the risks and benefits of the mRNA vaccines outweigh those of the J&J jab. For instance, for every million women 18 to 49 years old vaccinated with the J&J shot, 3,729 hospitalizations from COVID19 would be prevented. But nine cases of TTS and five cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome would be expected. The mRNA vaccines in women in that age group would avert 4,700 hospitalizations and produce two cases of myocarditis, a usually mild inflammation of | 01:05 |
LjL | the heart muscle. | 01:05 |
LjL | nice, some actual down-to-earth comparisons of what to expect | 01:05 |
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: A CDC panel recommends mRNA COVID-19 vaccines over J&J’s, citing fewer risks ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/P4JF9HM2 ) | 01:06 | |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: PBS NewsHour (@NewsHour): "We have no evidence that the virus itself is more mild," @EricTopol says of the omicron COVID-19 variant.He tells @WmBrangham. "Until we have that, we have to assume that people who don't have any protection are highly vulnerable to getting very ill." [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1471634537373487104 | 01:21 |
* enyc hrrms at:- | 01:22 | |
enyc | https://www.independentsage.org/emergency-statement-on-omicron-15-december-2021/ | 01:23 |
enyc | indie_SAGE speaking tomorrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjU6zwL_4GU | 01:23 |
LjL | are this people who have a beef with the actual SAGE? | 01:34 |
squirrel | sage is ok | 01:38 |
squirrel | i have beef with lavender | 01:38 |
enyc | LjL: no, more beef with govt and lolitics =) | 01:40 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19: Study reveals Hong Kong jabs are 'inadequate' against Omicron, as mainland remains off city's high-risk list despite variant cases - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ri4caz/covid19_study_reveals_hong_kong_jabs_are/ | 01:40 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Australia: +3722 cases (now 242678), +8 deaths (now 2134) since 22 hours ago — Rwanda: +142 cases (now 101030), +12246 tests (now 3.7 million) since 23 hours ago — Switzerland: +12 deaths (now 11932) since 11 hours ago | 01:47 |
Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: EU triggers order of vaccines adapted for Omicron variant → https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-triggers-order-of-vaccines-adapted-for-omicron-variant/ | 01:50 |
LjL | hurray | 01:53 |
LjL | de-facto, ↑ | 01:53 |
LjL | but who knows when we'll get them | 01:54 |
LjL | not any time soon | 01:54 |
LjL | i wish we could get the existing (but not fully trialled) Beta and Delta vaccines... | 01:54 |
LjL | i bet they'd be *much* better than the regular ones against Omicron | 01:54 |
LjL | and we could have them much sooner | 01:54 |
de-facto | i would wish for multivalent vaccines, containing a well balanced cocktail of variants virulent enough to be parent for future problematic mutants | 01:58 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Ivory Coast: +55 cases (now 61998), +2445 tests (now 1.2 million) since a day ago | 01:59 |
de-facto | "Speaking to journalists after a meeting of the European Council, the Commission president said EU leaders had triggered clauses in the contract signed with vaccine-makers that allows them to ask for the development of an adapted vaccine within 100 days." | 01:59 |
LjL | de-facto, there's *no* way the trials will take place within 100 days though | 02:01 |
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Assessment of the further emergence of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron VOC in the context of the ongoing Delta VOC transmission in the EU/EEA, 18th update ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/3SXP99GB ) | 02:01 | |
LjL | the development could happen in one week and it could still take 1 year to trial it | 02:01 |
de-facto | 100 days from now would be March 27th 2022 | 02:02 |
de-facto | i think that could be realistic | 02:02 |
de-facto | question indeed would be how exactly they defined development | 02:03 |
de-facto | i hope approved and running production | 02:03 |
de-facto | from all infections that took place with SARS-CoV-2, cant we just estimate the portion that each of its variants contributed? | 02:05 |
de-facto | why would we not use such a metric for mandatory inclusion of spike protein signatures in vaccines, no later than X days after the first sequences for a variant have been taken? | 02:06 |
de-facto | i.e. include all such signatures for wide spread variants in same proportions into the vaccines as they have occurred naturally contributing to over all time infections | 02:07 |
de-facto | the vaccine manufacturers do a great job, but they have to be forced to perform even better by putting them under pressure to do more research and development | 02:08 |
de-facto | so how to force them? by having them risk their precious approval (in large market blocs such as EU) since that is where it potentially would affect them the most: their profits | 02:09 |
Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Striking Antibody Evasion Manifested by the Omicron Variant of SARS-CoV-2 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ri4tq2/striking_antibody_evasion_manifested_by_the/ | 02:09 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Coronavirus Europe: UK travellers to France face stricter rules to slow COVID-19 variant Omicron | 16DEC21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/ri4z96/coronavirus_europe_uk_travellers_to_france_face/ | 02:19 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): If we do a very simple 10-day projection of this rate of growth we get ~2100 daily Omicron cases in King County on Dec 22. This is ~3.5 times the Delta peak in King County in August and this is only 1 week away. 11/12 pic.twitter.com/eCmbMwXaTM → https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1471651860704464899 | 02:29 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): I expect case loads to climb suddenly and rapidly in a large number of well connected cities over the next week. This will take many by surprise but was baked in as soon as we knew Omicron Rt. 12/12 → https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1471651862520549376 | 02:38 |
Brainstorm | Updates for St. Martin: +35 cases (now 4008), +24063 tests (now 78366) since 10 days ago — Bermuda: +31 cases (now 5815), +4124 tests (now 671065) since 2 days ago — Guinea-Bissau: +3 cases (now 6455), +325 tests (now 109448) since a day ago | 03:14 |
Brainstorm | Updates for British Virgin Islands: +44 cases (now 2886) since 2 days ago | 03:39 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): What we'd really like to know now is if 3 doses of Novavax works better against Delta and Omicron. Pfizer and Moderna had the foresight to do those booster trials this summer. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471672601986490372 | 03:47 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Would be great if someone could analyze neutralizing activity against Omicron from those different combinations of vaccines and boosters, as @BalazsLab did for 3xRNA and 1xJJ + 1xRNA. Then we'll know how well Novavax can sub for RNA as a [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471674188561727492 | 03:57 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +2119 cases (now 560684), +19 deaths (now 19391) since 3 hours ago | 04:10 |
finely[m] | <xx> "ublx: you're right, however that..." <- It seem the current consensus is COVID is very infrequently spread by fomites. Alcohol is a mutagen. Plain soap, warm water and physical scrubbing is the best way to kill COVID on surfaces. A soapy washcloth in a ziplock bag is probably the best way to clean hand when out and about (if there are no sinks and plain soap). | 04:14 |
LjL | deja vu | 04:20 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Covid-19: A winter of severe illness and death for the unvaccinated, says Joe Biden → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/covid-19-omicron-united-states-joe-biden-vaccine-7677026/ | 04:35 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Miss World 2021 ‘temporarily postpones’ after contestants, including India’s Manasa Varanasi, test Covid positive → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/miss-world-2021-temporarily-postpones-covid-19-manasa-varanasi-india-7677018/ | 04:54 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): This raises the possibility 3x Novavax also allows broader antibody coverage to have some protection against Omicron, as we see with 3x Pfizer. I hope @Novavax will do the study (or get @BalazsLab to do it).twitter.com/michaelzlin/st… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471697998811860994 | 05:32 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +51398 cases (now 6.7 million) since 19 hours ago — Belgium: +10040 cases (now 2.0 million), +34 deaths (now 27763), +81004 tests (now 26.3 million) since a day ago — Japan: +193 cases (now 1.7 million), +2 deaths (now 18378), +54109 tests (now 28.7 million) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +88013 cases (now 11.2 million), +147 deaths (now 147396) since 16 hours ago | 05:38 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): “We weren’t actually prepared before the Omicron variant emerged,” Dr. Bansal said to @NYtimes. And now that Omicron is here? “We’re not ready,” she said. I do hope that our early flagging and action on #Omicron allows the world to prepare and save lives. → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1471701835970981891 | 05:51 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Panama: +406 cases (now 482230), +3 deaths (now 7397), +8943 tests (now 4.3 million) since 22 hours ago — India: +4875 cases (now 34.7 million), +391 deaths (now 476869), +1259932 tests (now 661.5 million) since 4 hours ago | 06:02 |
Brainstorm | Updates for England, United Kingdom: +76497 cases (now 9.4 million), +122 deaths (now 127730) since a day ago — New York, United States: +17904 cases (now 2.9 million), +44 deaths (now 58412) since a day ago — Ohio, United States: +11803 cases (now 1.8 million) since a day ago — New Jersey, United States: +7223 cases (now 1.3 million), +16 deaths (now 28659) since a day ago | 06:40 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Comoros: +17 cases (now 4606) since 21 hours ago | 07:05 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Discovery Health, South Africa’s largest private health insurance administrator, releases at-scale, real-world analysis of Omicron outbreak based on 211 000 COVID-19 test results in South Africa, including collaboration with the South Africa → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/ri9iz1/discovery_health_south_africas_largest_private/ | 07:08 |
Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): Unsung Heroes of the Pandemic: Dogs → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 07:56 |
minthos | a http link, wtf? | 08:00 |
Dredd | LjL, de-facto: I forgot to mention yesterday, the UK is dropping the 15 minute wait after vaccine administration given the current omicronity | 08:05 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): 2021.09: On how to think about the effects of vaccines on transmission probability.twitter.com/michaelzlin/st… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471737568651661313 | 08:05 |
Dredd | Which I 100% agree with, this was clearly the main bottle neck on the popup center when I was there | 08:05 |
Dredd | Looks like me managed 750k boosters yesterday.... pretty crazy stuff and very heartening to see! | 08:09 |
Dredd | In total, 812k vaccinations yesterday | 08:11 |
Dredd | That means we're boosting more than 1% of the entire UK population per day right now | 08:12 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): 2021.10: An analysis of the NIH-sponsored mix-and-match booster study (2xModerna or 2xPfizer or 1xJ&J boosted with 1xModerna or 1xPfizer or 1xJ&J)twitter.com/michaelzlin/st… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471739636443537408 | 08:15 |
Dredd | .title https://twitter.com/pwr22/status/1471742396522188800 | 08:22 |
Brainstorm | Dredd: From twitter.com: Peter Roberts (@pwr22): "In the last day, 1.3% of the vaccine eligible in the UK have been boosted! Approx ~750k. Crazy numbers and very heartening to see #COVID19 #BoosterJab #uk #stats [...] | 08:22 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): 2021.12: On how 3 strong immunization events produce a broadening of antibody responses to SARSCoV2 spike, so that immunization with original spike can produce antibodies that neutralize Omicron, with implications for JnJers who are only allowed 2 [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471741227951214593 | 08:24 |
Brainstorm | Updates for New Caledonia: +32 cases (now 12477) since a day ago — Germany: +51400 cases (now 6.7 million) since 21 hours ago | 08:32 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): And Canada still has a travel ban to southern Africa! Maybe that is why he looks so tense (love the quote below) as it is difficult to explain why #Omicron is taking over in Ontario given their effective 'racist travel ban' interventions... twitter.com/DavidAnber/sta… → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1471742934496292867 | 08:33 |
xx | anyone have a list of corona-related android apps? I don't use playstore and f-droid doesn't have a useful search function. | 08:53 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Finally, what we've been waiting for: age-controlled data on Omicron severity, courtesy SA health ministry.Across all ages, deaths among hospitalized pts are 2/3 lower in Omicron wave.If more mild cases are admitted, this # goes down, but doesn't [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471749391585214465 | 08:53 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | December 17, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ricijd/daily_discussion_thread_december_17_2021/ | 09:03 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Worst-case scenario, if everyone had been previously infected, and we consider that 1 dose of vaccine mimics prior infection and most people have 2 doses (some 3), then they should be at least 67% protected against death, if most fatalities are [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471754510884163584 | 09:12 |
xx | I can't get over the phrases "protects against death" in media... | 09:14 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): @b_chinnian5 Worst-case interpretation: all SA had been previously infected and that's why this wave is milder. But if we consider that 1 vaccine dose mimics prior infection and 2 doses are much more effective, then vaccines should give much better [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471756846260121603 | 09:22 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Actually since they said most hospitalizations are unvaccinated, then the relative risk of death for vaccinated is already several times lower than for unvaccinated (but maybe previously infected), which is already 1/3 of previous waves. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471758981081174017 | 09:31 |
Brainstorm | Updates for West Bengal, India: +660 cases (now 1.6 million), +12 deaths (now 19645) since a day ago — Delhi, India: +85 cases (now 1.4 million) since a day ago | 09:34 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Omicron symptoms: Is a runny nose a cold or Covid? → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54145299 | 09:41 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): So worst case:• Unvaxxed infected IFR ~0.3% (assuming 1% for unvaxxed uninfected in previous waves, and similar hospitalization rate for Omicron)• Vaxxed IFR several times lower (depends on ratio of unvaxxed to vaxxed in the hospitalized group) → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471762809893494786 | 09:50 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Philippines: +448 cases (now 2.8 million), +74 deaths (now 50570) since 23 hours ago | 09:59 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Best-case scenario: Most hospitalized patients were immune-naive because those who got hospitalized tended to be those without prior immunity, in which case the lower death rate means Omicron is inherently less deadly as well. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471768589933813761 | 10:10 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Scientists are racing to gauge the threat of Omicron → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/scientists-study-omicron-covid-variant-vaccine-efficacy-7677404/ | 10:20 |
Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +88020 cases (now 11.2 million) since 21 hours ago | 10:37 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Preliminary laboratory data hint at what makes Omicron the most superspreading variant yet: Preliminary data, which provide a first look at how Omicron may behave inside the human body, offers a clue to what might be behind its [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/17/preliminary-laboratory-data-hint-at-what-makes-omicron-the-most-superspreading-variant-yet/ | 10:39 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: It’s not the mission of universities to perpetuate inequity. Why do Emory and others do that?: Research institutions have a choice: be complicit in prolonging the pandemic and preventing access to lifesaving medicines or ensure global access to their publicly [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/17/university-deals-shouldnt-perpetuate-inequity/ | 10:59 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Grenada: +4 cases (now 5919), +650 tests (now 89662) since 5 days ago | 11:02 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): "As a shorthand, assume that Omicron negates 1 previous immunizing event—an infection or a vaccine dose. Someone who’s been boosted has the same ballpark level of protection against Omicron infection as a vaccinated-but-unboosted person did against [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1471789826110369801 | 11:36 |
xx | that's such a misleading statement | 11:38 |
xx | if someone was infected with delta a month ago, and fully recovered, then they are most likely protected against death or serious complications from omicron | 11:39 |
Timvde | If you are vaccinated twice but haven't received a booster, you are most likely protected against death or serious complications from delta | 11:41 |
Timvde | I mean, the statement is very unscientific of course, but as a comparison it may hold? | 11:41 |
Timvde | Has this been shared already? https://www.med.hku.hk/en/news/press/20211215-omicron-sars-cov-2-infection | 11:41 |
xx | honestly, I just want all science reporting to do better, because it appears that any misstep they make just gives more ammunition to the antivaxxers | 11:41 |
Timvde | (not peer reviewed iiuc) | 11:42 |
xx | yeah it has been shared already | 11:42 |
Timvde | Let me scroll up and look for the discussion then :P | 11:43 |
xx | I was trying to find info whether the bronchus tissue is even less accessible to the immune system than the rest of lung tissue, but it appears no such research has been done yet | 11:43 |
xx | immune system and lungs is very poorly studied area | 11:44 |
xx | we just know that some or all (nobody really knows yet) parts of the lungs are less accessible to the immune system for some reasons that are still just speculations really | 11:44 |
Timvde | But less severe infection in the lungs sounds to me like an indication of milder symptoms and less damage? | 11:46 |
Timvde | (but I totally don't know anything about it, so that may be utterly wrong) | 11:46 |
Timvde | (which is why I brought the article here to discuss) | 11:47 |
minthos | I read recently that omicron infects goes directly for the throat, which is why it spreads so quickly (directly in the path of exhaled air) and why it doesn't produce as much of the typical symptoms | 11:48 |
minthos | it will be interesting to see to which degree it can spread from there to the lungs and other places | 11:48 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Uganda: +209 cases (now 128509), +1 deaths (now 3272), +4812 tests (now 2.0 million) since 20 hours ago — Nepal: +269 cases (now 825445), +3 deaths (now 11570), +14921 tests (now 4.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Timor-Leste: +2 cases (now 19832) since 2 days ago | 12:04 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: These ‘five distinct symptoms’ may help you differentiate Omicron from regular cold → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/differentiate-between-omicron-variant-regular-cold-cough-flu-symptoms-treatment-7677188/ | 12:06 |
Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19 vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rif11e/risks_of_myocarditis_pericarditis_and_cardiac/ | 12:34 |
lastshell | some good news https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-17/s-africa-says-hospitalizations-in-omicron-wave-much-lower | 12:36 |
xx | lastshell: but it's spring/summer in africa | 12:36 |
lastshell | oh so that means they spend more time outdoors | 12:37 |
xx | and they have a healthier/younger population than europe/america | 12:37 |
lastshell | I was getting some hope | 12:38 |
sdfgsdfg | https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471749391585214465/photo/1 | 12:44 |
sdfgsdfg | .title | 12:44 |
Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From twitter.com: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): "Finally, what we've been waiting for: age-controlled data on Omicron severity, courtesy SA health ministry. Across all ages, deaths among hospitalized pts are [...] | 12:44 |
Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Second ȷudge says that “most complex covid patient in the world” should be allowed to die: A 56 year old woman described by doctors as “the most complex covid patient in the world” should have ventilation withdrawn and be allowed to die, a second High Court judge has ruled after her family... → http://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3108.short | 12:44 |
sdfgsdfg | wow, I'm surprised my age bracket 30-39 has even less deaths than 20-29 | 12:44 |
sdfgsdfg | it's like this thing doesn't even touch us | 12:45 |
sdfgsdfg | talk about my golden ages, dream come true | 12:45 |
de-facto | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Y2sXkt-cw | 12:46 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: WATCH LIVE | Health Minister Joe Phaahla briefs media on Covid-19 and vaccination rollout programme - YouTube | 12:46 |
sdfgsdfg | look at that big smile on his face from the thumbnail, it must be good news | 12:47 |
de-facto | sdfgsdfg, its because that age group already most likely got infected before in SA | 12:47 |
sdfgsdfg | so the kids and elderlies didn't ? :P | 12:47 |
sdfgsdfg | outgoing middleaged africans | 12:48 |
de-facto | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGy0P7vUcAEYg36?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 | 12:49 |
sdfgsdfg | also these guys get more than >300 days of sunshine a year, their vitamin D levels are probably protective ? if the vitamin D link is true.. | 12:49 |
de-facto | hmm its south of the equator, so not so much sunshine with above 45 degree | 12:51 |
minthos | it's summer there now | 12:51 |
minthos | they have loads of sunlight | 12:51 |
de-facto | Rayleigh scattering got a strong dependence on wavelength, i.e. ~ 1/lambda^4 | 12:53 |
de-facto | meaning the UV light required to build up Vitamin D is scattered much more likely than longer wavelengths, hence the sky is blue | 12:53 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): Possible evidence for somewhat lower severity (lower CFR & shorter hospital stays) for Omicron. Though exponentially more infections will likely compensate in terms of pressure on our healthcare systems. Good news though from an individual risk perspective. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1471809941585473537 | 12:54 |
minthos | you have to subtract 22 degrees of latitude because it's near peak summer | 12:54 |
minthos | ish | 12:55 |
de-facto | in short: you not only need sunlight exposure to large areas of skin, you also need its shadow to be shorter than the own height in order to build up Vitamin D. | 12:56 |
xx | sdfgsdfg: because in SA the age bracket of 30-39 does not contain people who would have survived to that age in Europe/America, but 20-29 might still have some people who managed to survive despite the odds | 12:57 |
minthos | which it is in ZA because it's summer there now | 12:57 |
xx | zair? | 12:57 |
minthos | zuid-afrika | 12:57 |
xx | ah | 12:57 |
xx | de-facto: one also needs to have the right skin color to get more vit d production | 12:59 |
de-facto | yep and age | 13:00 |
xx | also, the sky is only blue because they got cheaper blue LEDs instead of wanting to pay for good white LEDs :p | 13:00 |
de-facto | so indeed that age group may not only have pre-existing immunity from recovery, it also may have the most exposure to sunlight etc | 13:00 |
de-facto | ok gonna have to get my booster, wish me luck | 13:01 |
lastshell | good luck | 13:02 |
lastshell | im close to a month after the booster :D | 13:02 |
lastshell | they said is when antibodies are on the top | 13:03 |
de-facto | yep just in time... :D | 13:03 |
de-facto | bbl | 13:03 |
Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: us: Sticking It to COVID-19: The Expansion of the Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine EUA → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/sticking-it-to-covid-19-the-expansion-of-the-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-eua | 13:04 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +1294 cases (now 214433), +1 deaths (now 3674), +9006 tests (now 2.8 million) since 21 hours ago — Bangladesh: +191 cases (now 1.6 million), +2 deaths (now 28043), +127511 vaccines (now 87.3 million), +16310 tests (now 11.2 million) since 22 hours ago | 13:06 |
Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: What’s the Point of Redefining Fully Vaccinated?: For nearly a year now, the phrase fully vaccinated has carried a cachet that it never did before. Being fully vaccinated against COVID-19 is a ticket for a slate of liberties—a pass to travel without testing [... want %more?] → https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/12/fully-vaccinated-cdc-boosters/621037/ | 13:24 |
xx | what do vaccinated and unvaccinated people have in common? They will never be fully vaccinated :p | 13:27 |
lastshell | I saw that on 9gag xx | 13:29 |
xx | it was said by a politician somewhere | 13:30 |
xx | brazil? venezuela? | 13:30 |
lastshell | maybe was bolsonaro (brazil) | 13:32 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Countries with high levels, and increasing, of Omicron are all breaking infection records. This, with different levels of vaccination, is not visible yet in hospitalizations, but not SA is increasing steeply, or deaths. The main cause is the v high infection [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1471819229322166278 | 13:33 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Indonesia: +291 cases (now 4.3 million), +7 deaths (now 143986) since a day ago — Malta: +221 cases (now 41280) since a day ago — Senegal: +14 cases (now 74129) since a day ago | 13:38 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): Daily omicron updates from UK will be found here: gov.uk/government/pub… → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1471828160656379913 | 14:12 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Washington scrambles to prepare for ‘The Death Winter’ as a Covid-19 'viral blizzard' is about to hit the US, CNN reports. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rigzze/washington_scrambles_to_prepare_for_the_death/ | 14:22 |
de-facto | Boosted with 50μg mRNA-1273 | 14:37 |
Brainstorm | Updates for UAE: +234 cases (now 743586), +332243 tests (now 106.3 million) since a day ago — Switzerland: +4190 cases (now 1.2 million), +31 deaths (now 11951), +71755 tests (now 13.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:40 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: The tragedy of Johnson & Johnson’s Covid vaccine: Johnson & Johnson’s Covid vaccine was going to be the shot for the world. Now, under the weight of a mountain of bad PR, one wonders if the world will… → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/17/the-tragedy-of-johnson-johnsons-covid-vaccine/ | 14:42 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): No evidence that Omicron is less severe, new @imperialcollege study reportsft.com/content/020534… pic.twitter.com/5YYzJ6tVtc → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1471839260068093953 | 14:52 |
xx | no evidence = we don't know yet | 14:56 |
minthos | there have been some hospitalizations in denmark and uk (not enough to be statistically significant enough I think) but it could hint at bad news to come | 14:58 |
minthos | https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1471777316225310729 | 14:59 |
xx | too early, too few numbers | 15:00 |
minthos | yes | 15:01 |
minthos | it will be an interesting holiday season for sure | 15:01 |
xx | everyone who's gonna be dying over the holidays is currently infected | 15:01 |
Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Do Concurrent Vaccines Influence Future Behaviors?: Side effects that occur during concurrent vaccine administrations can influence future vaccine decisions. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/concurrent-vaccine-behavior | 15:02 |
xx | so there's nothing that can be done anymore | 15:02 |
minthos | people will be going into christmas and new year parties thinking it's milder - and data should be arriving around the same time.. | 15:03 |
minthos | we're basically setting up superspreader events on the gamble that the winter countries with aging populations will be comparable to the summer country with a young population | 15:04 |
minthos | sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit! | 15:05 |
xx | heh | 15:05 |
xx | I got that reference | 15:05 |
Brainstorm | New from ScienceNews: COVID-19 testing is complicated right now. Here are answers to 6 big questions: There are two major categories of COVID-19 diagnostic tests. Here’s what you need to know when deciding whether to take an at-home test or head to the doctor. → https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-questions-vaccines-variants-accuracy | 15:12 |
Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Xevudy, sotrovimab, COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 17/12/2021, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/xevudy | 15:21 |
disconnect_me | https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/sep/1/sorry-facebook-forced-universal-vaccinations-are-n/ | 15:23 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Kenya: +1609 cases (now 260166), +3 deaths (now 5353), +7176 tests (now 2.9 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:30 |
dTal | oh boy the hippie WhatsApp group is exploding into argument now | 15:41 |
dTal | I think I helped start something | 15:41 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Very important point. First time sequencing of a virus linked to optimal treatment, and the supply of Sotrovimab, the only monoclonal effective vs Omicron, is limited twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/st… pic.twitter.com/W9TEghY8pk → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1471851791490813952 | 15:41 |
dTal | a *ton* of people coming out of the woodwork to basically say "hol up" | 15:43 |
ublx | sigh. disconnect_me: we are (well, I am) not inclined to accept unremarked link posting from unknown nicks who have made no other contribution to the channel. especially so if that link is to hack journalism making claims to ridiculous to enter into | 15:59 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): New vaccine effectiveness data over time from Qatar on Moderna in 880,000 vaccinees vs symptomatic infections medrxiv.org/content/10.110… pic.twitter.com/loQscuHyC0 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1471859449681776643 | 16:11 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +7597 cases (now 1.9 million), +14 deaths (now 30070) since 23 hours ago | 16:38 |
Brainstorm | New from Novavax: (news): Novavax and Serum Institute of India Announce World Health Organization Grants Emergency Use Listing for NVX-CoV2373 COVID-19 Vaccine → https://ir.novavax.com/2021-12-17-Novavax-and-Serum-Institute-of-India-Announce-World-Health-Organization-Grants-Emergency-Use-Listing-for-NVX-CoV2373-COVID-19-Vaccine | 16:40 |
Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on hospital admissions of nursing home residents. → https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/research/coronavirus/publication/34913228 | 17:09 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +15418 cases (now 3.0 million), +60 deaths (now 20828) since 16 hours ago | 17:35 |
Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +92503 cases (now 11.2 million), +1712404 tests (now 384.3 million) since 23 hours ago | 18:00 |
aruns | My ISP has been crapping out this week, so I might have missed some stuff on here. | 18:03 |
friedrice | WT is some far-right thing now fwiw | 18:04 |
friedrice | dTal: is 'hippie' a pejorative term in your world | 18:04 |
dTal | friedrice: I don't know how else to describe | 18:05 |
dTal | hippie can mean many things, but I am describing a specific type of phenomenon which I have observed | 18:05 |
Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: EMA Management Board: highlights of December 2021 meeting, MB, 17/12/2021: COVID-19 updateThe Management Board heard an update from EMA on its COVID-19 activities. Boosters have become a very important tool in the response to... → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-management-board-highlights-december-2021-meeting | 18:06 |
dTal | there's a kind of philosophical orientation, a quasi-religious mode of being, which is most closely defined by "new age" or "hippy", and the people in this subgroup are extremely dangerous | 18:06 |
dTal | I have no problem with campires, singing about peace, shirtless dancing, soft drugs etc | 18:07 |
aruns | dTal: What is the current consensus on transmission rates between fully vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals? | 18:07 |
aruns | I have received two shots thus far | 18:08 |
dTal | aruns: I'm flattered that you'd ask me. As far as I know, it's too early to say definitively what's happening with omicron except that everyone who comes into contact with an infected person gets infected, vaccine or no | 18:09 |
aruns | My understanding is that we can't fully prevent those who have been double vaccinated, say, from transmitting the disease, but that the vaccine is more about individual protection | 18:10 |
aruns | As opposed to preventing a vaccinated person from transmitting COVID-19 outright | 18:10 |
aruns | Well you seem to know your stuff ;) dTal | 18:10 |
friedrice | dTal: so sounds perjorative, if new agers are dangerous | 18:11 |
friedrice | quote unquote | 18:11 |
dTal | friedrice: well perjorative makes it sound like I'm inventing an insult for an existing named subgroup | 18:12 |
dTal | what I'm doing is observing a dangerous cultural phenomenon | 18:12 |
friedrice | the group named itself "hippie" | 18:12 |
friedrice | ? | 18:12 |
dTal | call it what you want | 18:12 |
dTal | they don't call themselves hippies generally actually | 18:12 |
aruns | And I suppose, like any disease, whether bacterial or viral, it will adapt to survive | 18:12 |
dTal | they don't have an internal group identity | 18:12 |
friedrice | anyway wrong channel, to ask so sorry | 18:13 |
dTal | well I don't know that it is | 18:13 |
aruns | So maybe the vaccine's USP should be the level of protection it affords | 18:13 |
aruns | As opposed to reduced transmission risk | 18:13 |
dTal | it's pretty relevant, because they're all antivax, and it's not clear to me why | 18:14 |
xx | aruns: you haven't missed anything, there's still a pandemic out there | 18:14 |
xx | will let you know once it is over | 18:14 |
friedrice | aruns: can you answer your own questions for Delta? | 18:14 |
aruns | xx: I meant that I might have missed some stuff in this channel specifically due to my ISP being crappy | 18:15 |
xx | aruns: to bring up up to speed then, the bot Brainstorm has been posting various news that can be summed up as "The pandemic is still out there" | 18:15 |
friedrice | aruns: you missed Elon Musk being hospitalized with Omicron during his moon landing | 18:15 |
aruns | :P xx | 18:16 |
aruns | ;) friedrice | 18:16 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Derek Lowe (@Dereklowe): An omicron update - it's only been two weeks since my last big post on this, but a lot has been happening since then. Short summary: here it comes.science.org/content/blog-p… → https://twitter.com/Dereklowe/status/1471890148040261636 | 18:16 |
aruns | I've only found https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y thus far | 18:17 |
Jigsy | 93K today. | 18:19 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Immunity from infection and vaccination will reduce severe disease; Omicorn pathogenicity is not much worse than Delta, but there is also no evidence for milder.ft.com/content/020534… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1471895496834879494 | 18:36 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Same message from ONS, with infection rate showing a rapid increase. The message remains; get vaccinated and get your complete set, including the 3rd dose, and do get vaccinated also after infection.assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/upl… pic.twitter.com/APU78z1MBf → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1471896342733766669 | 18:45 |
dTal | so, a lot of social media noise about LFTs not detecting Omicron so well | 18:54 |
dTal | or at least, not detecting it when people are contagious, which could also be explained I suppose by omicron being much more contagious for a given viral load | 18:55 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Nice paper on MIS-C in children after SARS-CoV-2 infection; an interplay between T cells, NK cells, and monocytes, mediated by IFNγ. rupress.org/jem/article/21… pic.twitter.com/sJxkN21boE → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1471902128851542022 | 19:04 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): However we must remember omicron severity is still worse with age and other conditions, so countries with older age distributions or more unhealthy people will have higher overall deaths per capita from Omicron than SA even if they have similar % immunity. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471904974179221506 | 19:14 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Oh Denmark, how could you. Looks like our work is not done getting people to realize the consequences. Nothing against Merck, but patients shouldn't be taking a drug that's inferior to other options, and nobody can afford to make the epidemic [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1471908098788917250 | 19:23 |
Brainstorm | New from NPR: Pfizer plan to test a third dose of its COVID vaccine on infants and young children: Pfizer and BioNTech, which produced the first COVID-19 vaccine authorized in the U.S., say they will expand ongoing trials to include a third [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/17/1065200225/pfizer-third-dose-covid-vaccine-infants-young-children | 19:33 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +28615 cases (now 5.3 million), +120 deaths (now 135421), +669160 tests (now 129.1 million) since a day ago | 19:33 |
LjL | Italy is not trending good at all :( | 19:35 |
dTal | omicron is ruining christmas here in UK | 19:42 |
dTal | I think it's going to blindside a lot of people who slipped into "meh" territory about the virus | 19:42 |
dTal | it's practically a second pandemic | 19:42 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: AnGes: AG0302-COVID19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/31/ | 19:43 |
dTal | our family had been taking a pretty relaxed view about Christmas, because we've been steady state for a while and none of us got covid so it seemed unlikely that one of us would *happen* to get covid just at Christmas | 19:44 |
dTal | but now - cases are doubling daily? Super contagious variant growing explosively, situation changing very fast, and it's looking more and more likely that yeah, one of us *will* have covid by then | 19:45 |
lastshell | I thing we all going to get covid, the question in when and how bad will be | 19:49 |
lastshell | the number of infections is going up every day | 19:49 |
dTal | oh look I found a Guardian article which discusses exactly what friedrice was challenging me about: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/22/leftwingers-far-right-conspiracy-theories-anti-vaxxers-power | 19:50 |
LjL | dTal, we're cancelling christmas in my family | 19:52 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): Child Covid hospital admissions rising in England. Esp. the youngest, like reported from SA. twitter.com/TigressEllie/s… → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1471914426060079108 | 19:52 |
dTal | LjL, I'm sorry to hear, though it's doubtless the correct choice. How often do you see your family? | 19:52 |
LjL | dTal, also i had a discussion with someone too shy to join these channels about your perplexity with Omicron seemingly "eating up" Delta (in the graphs at https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1042100/20211217_OS_Daily_Omicron_Overview.pdf ) but without the cases actually rising. he was perplexed too, but more in the sense "there must be something wrong with those graphs" because he is pretty convinced | 19:53 |
LjL | cases *are* sharply going up (and i guess today's data confirm it...) so he gave me these other graphs which give a slightly different impression | 19:53 |
LjL | https://twitter.com/theosanderson/status/1471905050998026253/photo/1 | 19:53 |
dTal | Yeah I was pretty convinced it was a graph issue | 19:54 |
LjL | dTal, i see my parents, sometimes my sister, but i haven't seen aunts, uncle and cousins since... i don't know, christmas 2019 probably | 19:54 |
LjL | dTal, also https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FG0miosX0Ag8DAC?format=png&name=small | 19:54 |
dTal | oh ruddy nora | 19:55 |
dTal | that's a *log scale* | 19:55 |
LjL | the UKHSA graphs also say "Figure 1. COVID-19 cases with detectable S gene/SGTF and percentage with SGTF among those tested in TaqPath Labs | 19:55 |
LjL | by day, by region" | 19:55 |
LjL | dTal, yes, the idea being London is being pretty crazy right now | 19:55 |
dTal | jesus and jeffery christ | 19:55 |
LjL | anyway TaqPath seems to be a PCR test and i don't really know if those graphs are limited *entirely* to those labs or what | 19:56 |
LjL | my friend also didn't quite understand it but i guess it's a hint those graphs may be tainted | 19:56 |
dTal | where's that last horrifying graph from? | 19:56 |
LjL | dTal, i'm afraid i don't know, if i ask him too many question he tends to eat me alive :P but the mentioned @BristOliver... it's not a twitter handle, but let's see... | 19:58 |
LjL | oh it is, i must have mistyped it | 19:58 |
LjL | dTal, lol, his profile starts with "Logscale superfan." | 19:59 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Mozambique: +1382 cases (now 158111), +4744 tests (now 1.0 million) since 18 hours ago | 19:59 |
LjL | dTal, so this is the "source" https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1471875070431834117 | 19:59 |
LjL | he just says he got them from the dashboard data so i guess you can just reproduce it if you want | 20:00 |
dTal | I don't even know how to parse such a steep exponential | 20:02 |
LjL | dTal, https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/coronavirus--covid-19--cases | 20:03 |
de-facto | ooOOFF | 20:05 |
de-facto | is this a fractal? the same curve over and over again but scaled? | 20:05 |
LjL | sadly it even looks like in London, people 80+ years old are actually *less* vaccinated than their younger peers :( | 20:07 |
LjL | like, much less. you have to go to the 18-24 age range to see worse. | 20:07 |
LjL | (at a glance) | 20:07 |
dTal | that's not totally irrational | 20:13 |
dTal | people of advanced age are more likely to have vaccine contraindications | 20:14 |
dTal | and probably less likely to regard the vaccine as a lifesaving measure, as they believe they can avoid the virus until they die, or else they believe the virus will kill them with or without the vaccine | 20:15 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pfizer testing extra Covid vaccine dose for kids under 5: Pfizer said Friday it was changing plans and testing three doses of its Covid-19 vaccine in babies and preschoolers instead of the usual two. → https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/17/pfizer-testing-extra-covid-vaccine-dose-for-kids-under-5/ | 20:21 |
LjL | dTal, de-facto: you may be interested in this site https://www.metaculus.com/questions/?order_by=-activity&search=COVID | 20:23 |
dTal | did you get that from the omicron blog | 20:23 |
LjL | dTal, if it's anything like in italy, the problem is that it's harder to reach those people and some need to get the vaccine at home and it's hard | 20:24 |
LjL | dTal, from Tueyo's post | 20:24 |
dTal | you mean Pueyo | 20:24 |
LjL | yes | 20:24 |
dTal | and yeah, I ended up on that same site for the same reason | 20:24 |
dTal | it strikes me that it suffers from an Emperor's Nose problem | 20:24 |
dTal | https://imaginatorium.org/stuff/nose.htm | 20:25 |
dTal | re: vaccinating old people, that makes sense | 20:25 |
Arsanerit | A German federal court has struck down a law banning unvaccinated people from non-essential shops. | 20:25 |
LjL | dTal, maybe, but other estimates suffer from various kinds of biases, so eh, sometimes this is also a useful tool | 20:26 |
dTal | mz`: you seem to have a connection problem | 20:27 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): Here, chart showing weekly hospitalizations in children 0-5 years through the pandemic in England. New record the last 7 days - 49% increase from the week before twitter.com/Antonio_Carami… → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1471924810188009474 | 20:30 |
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Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +33359 cases (now 5.5 million), +41 deaths (now 88708) since a day ago — S. Sudan: +94 cases (now 13143) since 23 hours ago — Sierra Leone: +18 cases (now 6452) since a day ago — France: +60721 cases (now 8.6 million), +174 deaths (now 122158) since 23 hours ago | 20:36 |
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Myocarditis after Covid-19 Vaccination in a Large Health Care Organization ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/ZFC33MV7 ) | 20:41 | |
Brainstorm | New from Politico: Last orders! Irish pubs face 8pm closures to combat Omicron: 'We’re going to see a massive rise in infections,' Prime Minister Martin tells the nation. 'Vaccines aren’t going to be enough to get through this wave.' → https://www.politico.eu/article/ireland-dublin-coronavirus-covid-19-omicron-europe/ | 20:50 |
lastshell | LjL you are canceling xmas just reading up | 20:55 |
lastshell | you and fam are vaxxed and boosted ? | 20:55 |
Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Report 48 - The value of vaccine booster doses to mitigate the global impact of the Omicron SARS-CoV-2 variant → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ripbni/report_48_the_value_of_vaccine_booster_doses_to/ | 20:59 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Togo: +84 cases (now 26550), +2334 tests (now 597792) since a day ago | 21:01 |
LjL | lastshell, yes, but so were some of the people in that party yesterday that all got omicron anyway | 21:05 |
Arsanerit | pizza delivery + vaccine delivery! | 21:06 |
LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Omicron five times more likely to reinfect than Delta, no milder, study says → https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rip5xm/omicron_five_times_more_likely_to_reinfect_than/ | 21:06 |
lastshell | sorry to hear that LjL i wish speady recovery | 21:07 |
Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLE INFRASTRUTTURE E DELLA MOBILITA' SOSTENIBILI - DECRETO 15 novembre 2021: Istituzione di un Fondo volto a ristorare le citta' portuali chehanno subito perdite economiche a seguito del calo del turismocrocieristico derivante dall'epidemia di [... want %more?] → http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2021/12/17/21A07342/SG | 21:09 |
LjL | i found a new "general COVID" site https://covidreference.com/top10 | 21:10 |
LjL | lastshell, i'm talking about other people, not my family. i'm just saying omicron infects the boosted people too | 21:10 |
Arsanerit | will novavax help? | 21:11 |
Arsanerit | or rather Nuvaxovid / Covovax | 21:11 |
LjL | first time i heard of those | 21:13 |
LjL | Novavax... Novavax would have been good, as a general vaccine, it may still be useful as a booster, but i don't think it has anything "special" when it comes to variants. it's not a variant-specific vaccine | 21:13 |
Arsanerit | enwiki says 100% effective against hospitalisation for alpha | 21:18 |
LjL | yes but it's Alpha, Pfizer and Moderna had similar results against D614G which is probably not a whole lot different from Alpha | 21:22 |
Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Pfizer-BioNTech Testing 3 Doses to Boost Vaccine Efficacy in Children Under 5: Pfizer-BioNTech will be testing 3 doses of their vaccine in children older than 6 months and younger than 5 years, instead of the original 2-dose regimen. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/pfizer-biontech-testing-3-doses-to-boost-vaccine-efficacy-in-children-under-5 | 21:31 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Ethiopia: +617 cases (now 375019), +4 deaths (now 6859), +7488 tests (now 4.0 million) since 20 hours ago — Malawi: +536 cases (now 63944), +2245 tests (now 458637) since a day ago | 21:32 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): Epidemic curve in Johannesburg/Pretoria that was straight up and continues straight down suggests we’re missing something fundamental about variant. Either attack rate is narrowed to sub segment of population, we’re undercounting mild or [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1471941692962099212 | 21:41 |
Brainstorm | New from NPR: U.S. military moves to discharge service members who refuse to get vaccinated: Military officials say that, after months of warnings, they have begun disciplinary actions. The Army has reprimanded 2,700 [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/17/1065286802/u-s-military-moves-to-discharge-service-members-who-refuse-to-get-vaccinated | 21:50 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): Our knowledge of Omicron is expanding all the time thanks to great and urgent work from scientists. The findings outlined in this mini-thread could be very important indeed. twitter.com/guptar_lab/sta… → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1471947889983303680 | 22:09 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): Still no solid evidence that Omicron is innately less severe than other variants, but I now make this the second plausible mechanism through which it *could* be less severe twitter.com/guptar_lab/sta… → https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1471954637221683202 | 22:28 |
Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: With Omicron rising in US, feds unveil plan to keep kids in school: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Dec 17, 2021 Test to Stay involves testing close contacts of a COVID-19 student at least twice in the week after exposure. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/12/omicron-rising-us-feds-unveil-plan-keep-kids-school | 22:38 |
Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Uncertainty swirls around Omicron COVID-19 severity: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Dec 17, 2021 New UK estimations cast doubt on whether Omicron cases are less severe than Delta variant infections. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/12/uncertainty-swirls-around-omicron-covid-19-severity | 22:47 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Kuwait: +81 cases (now 413972), +23137 tests (now 5.7 million) since 21 hours ago | 23:00 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: More measures needed to limit hospitalisations - Sage scientists → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59707252 | 23:07 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dutch health experts advise a full lockdown to slow Omicron -media → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/risdav/dutch_health_experts_advise_a_full_lockdown_to/ | 23:35 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Algeria: +299 cases (now 214044), +4 deaths (now 6175) since a day ago — India: +11418 cases (now 34.7 million), +419 deaths (now 476897) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +15453 cases (now 3.0 million), +62 deaths (now 20830) since 22 hours ago | 23:37 |
oerheks | note: in NL it is hard to get tested. so numbers decline. | 23:38 |
xx | no tests, no covid | 23:41 |
xx | a good way of showing everyone the numbers are down to have a nice shopping spree before the xmas holidays | 23:41 |
LjL | well if they're advising a full lockdown maybe that's not really their plan | 23:42 |
LjL | unless they're independent experts and the government experts want it the other way around | 23:42 |
oerheks | lockdown, but checking flightradar24 makes me laugh about prevention | 23:43 |
LjL | oh shush don't tell de-facto or he'll start compulsively checking flight radars and trying to yell to aircraft to go back :P | 23:43 |
xx | where's a volcano when you need one | 23:44 |
oerheks | yelling? a bag with balloons, alufoil strips and a cylinder of gas will do. | 23:44 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Yes, infections will get (very) high, be prepared for it. But, will severe disease and fatalities be sufficiently limited? It should, immunity is in place and will not be circumvented. But, Delta, and now even more Omicron are incredibly fast; it will push [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1471972967387209728 | 23:45 |
LjL | oerheks, don't suggest such things please :P | 23:45 |
oerheks | LjL, i just wanted to offer that kid a party | 23:45 |
LjL | sure sure :P | 23:46 |
de-facto | the flights are the reason its going to continue. | 23:51 |
Malvolio | oughtn't more actively measures be taken to deny the growth of novel coronavirus variants in this area? | 23:52 |
oerheks | de-facto, it does not prevent, but it still is silly to fly | 23:52 |
LjL | this should work against vaccine-induced fivegeetopenia | 23:53 |
LjL | %title https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/12/anti-5g-quantum-pendants-are-radioactive/ | 23:53 |
Brainstorm | LjL: From arstechnica.com: Anti-5G “quantum pendants” are radioactive | Ars Technica | 23:53 |
Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): So this is the moment where, besides continuing to vaccinate and treating the patients, we can only wait for nature to reveal the bigger picture. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1471972969157206031 | 23:54 |
de-facto | its how the initial spread took place and every variant after that, hence why should we assume it would not continue if its the known mechanism of spread over continents? | 23:58 |
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