| oerheks | dutch expert; stop the invitations, just start giving the jab https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/5274997/booster-vaccinatie-omikron-coronavirus-maatregelen-nederland | 00:00 |
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| oerheks | clever dude, that is how they do it in Israel. | 00:01 |
| de-facto | it seems to work with Delta | 00:02 |
| de-facto | Omicron may be a different thing though, yet we will see | 00:02 |
| de-facto | maybe it also works with Omicron (at least to some extend) | 00:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dutch health experts advise a full lockdown to slow Omicron → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/riswon/dutch_health_experts_advise_a_full_lockdown_to/ | 00:03 |
| de-facto | do we have Rt in Netherlands for Omicron or S-gene dropout? | 00:05 |
| de-facto | .title https://newsnodes.com/omicron_tracker | 00:08 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From newsnodes.com: Newsnodes - Omicron tracker | 00:08 |
| de-facto | LjL, ^^ | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH (@ashishkjha): For nearly 2 years, I've closely tracked infectionsBecause infections invariably led to hospitalizations and deathsBut I expect that in this upcoming waveThat link will finally breakCases will spikeBut among vaccinated/boosted people, it [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ashishkjha/status/1471977182155182084 | 00:13 |
| oerheks | de-facto, there is a map on this page https://coronadashboard.rijksoverheid.nl/landelijk/positief-geteste-mensen | 00:17 |
| oerheks | so, omicron is not bad? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-17/s-africa-says-hospitalizations-in-omicron-wave-much-lower | 00:20 |
| mrdata | hospitalization rate may be lower but infection effective R is through the roof | 00:21 |
| mrdata | so could still overwhelm health systems | 00:21 |
| de-facto | if its the second or third infection in the young, why would it not be mild then? we simply would not expect enough severe cases in such a cohort for a liable comparison | 00:22 |
| de-facto | thats a nice dashboard oerheks but do we have numbers for .nl that exclusively describe Omicron (as i suspect its increasing rapidly under the noise of Delta) | 00:24 |
| de-facto | wow almost 1 of 4 tests come back positive | 00:25 |
| oerheks | good question, this site does not sow nubers either https://nextstrain.org/groups/neherlab/ncov/netherlands | 00:26 |
| de-facto | one in 500 cases in .nl seems to be attributable for Omicron, hence they should have such data | 00:26 |
| de-facto | .title https://coronadashboard.rijksoverheid.nl/landelijk/varianten | 00:26 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From coronadashboard.rijksoverheid.nl: Varianten van het coronavirus | 00:26 |
| oerheks | note: in NL it is hard to get tested. so numbers decline. | 00:26 |
| oerheks | 2 hrs on the phone, or 3 days waiting for mail | 00:27 |
| de-facto | wow | 00:27 |
| de-facto | yeah and portion of positive tests seems to go up while incidence drops | 00:28 |
| oerheks | they should print the number of tests too.. | 00:29 |
| de-facto | i would be curious about Omicron raw case numbers per day, to fit an exponential on it and compare it with UK and Denmark | 00:29 |
| de-facto | they see doubling times as low as 1.5-2 days in some regions | 00:30 |
| oerheks | start a RT map? | 00:30 |
| de-facto | yet of course there may be some kind of bias involved since they probably actively are hunting down Omicron infections | 00:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Importantby Ravi and his teamOmicron-> Lung cell infectivity reduced, consistent with Hong Kong findings:med.hku.hk/en/news/press/…Which, added to immunity wall of vaccination, would help reduce potential of Covid pneumonia twitter.com/GuptaR_lab/sta… [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1471984488041172994 | 00:32 |
| de-facto | .title https://epiforecasts.io/covid/posts/global/ <-- like this ? | 00:32 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From epiforecasts.io: Covid-19: Global summary | 00:32 |
| de-facto | .title https://metrics.covid19-analysis.org/ <-- or that? | 00:33 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From metrics.covid19-analysis.org: COVID-19 Spread Mapper | 00:33 |
| oerheks | de-facto, no, RT like this down detector https://livemap.pingdom.com/ | 00:34 |
| de-facto | fancy :) | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +5648 cases (now 5.4 million), +18 deaths (now 116892), +64365 tests (now 27.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 00:39 |
| squirrel | https://i.imgur.com/vOaJVRf.jpeg | 00:41 |
| squirrel | why tf they can't agree on how bad it is | 00:42 |
| ublx | ^ https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/the-phrase-no-evidence-is-a-red-flag | 00:42 |
| de-facto | lol | 00:43 |
| dTal | You can sing "no evidence is a red flag" to the tune of "Happiness is a warm gun" by the Beatles | 00:43 |
| dTal | well, kinda | 00:44 |
| de-facto | if we see an increase in hospitalizations in SA it means we have a problem since Omicron infections double crazy fast | 00:45 |
| squirrel | idk, i haven't seen "no evidence" misused as a *title* | 00:45 |
| de-facto | afaik there its almost exclusively Omicron | 00:45 |
| de-facto | so if 1) Omicron causes some part of hospitalizations (per infection) 2) infections increase exponentially with doubling times as low as 2-3 days should we not expect crazy high numbers of hospitalizations if the wave would have to be assumed not self limiting as early as other waves where population had some more pre-existing immunity? | 00:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Efficacy and Safety of NVX-CoV2373 in Adults in the United States and Mexico → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ritrb0/efficacy_and_safety_of_nvxcov2373_in_adults_in/ | 00:51 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-49-Omicron/ | 00:51 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.imperial.ac.uk: Report 49 - Growth, population distribution and immune escape of Omicron in England | Faculty of Medicine | Imperial College London | 00:51 |
| dTal | It's crazy how fast the situation is changing | 00:52 |
| dTal | it reminds me of that description of war - "Months of boredom punctuated by moments of terror" | 00:53 |
| dTal | At the current doubling rate, how soon do we hit whole-population levels | 00:54 |
| dTal | ? | 00:54 |
| oerheks | dTal, depends, when the next pi-variant is faster and pushes omicron away, like omicron does with delta.. | 00:55 |
| minthos | I don't know what the global doubling rate is but let's take 2 days ince any number we pick will be wrong | 00:59 |
| minthos | 33 bits represent the size of the world's population | 00:59 |
| minthos | so 66 days from the first transmission (nov 1?) | 01:00 |
| minthos | early january | 01:00 |
| de-facto | so the leading zeroes will vanish linearly with time? | 01:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): There is no data on upper respiratory tract cells. Part of the difference is reduced S1/S2 cleavage, the efficiency is lower than for wild type Wuhan-1D614G and Delta. pic.twitter.com/jzjirGUSzo → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1471990994304389123 | 01:00 |
| minthos | assuming the doubling doesn't slow, which it of course does at some point | 01:01 |
| de-facto | yeah | 01:01 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.citiid.cam.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/FIGURES-OMICRON-PAPER.pdf | 01:05 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.citiid.cam.ac.uk: SARS-CoV-2 Omicron spike mediated immune escape, infectivity and cell-cell fusion | 01:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nigeria: +1584 cases (now 222655), +1 deaths (now 2984) since a day ago — Egypt: +910 cases (now 373509), +43 deaths (now 21277) since a day ago — Uruguay: +317 cases (now 403899), +1 deaths (now 6150), +10097 tests (now 4.3 million) since a day ago — Somalia: +95 cases (now 23169) since 7 days ago | 01:11 |
| de-facto | .title https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1471651831923150848 | 01:27 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, the URL could not be loaded | 01:27 |
| de-facto | graphs about Omicron trajectories for incidence in many countries | 01:28 |
| de-facto | quite alarming in my opinion | 01:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Australia: +4075 cases (now 246753), +8 deaths (now 2142) since 23 hours ago — Panama: +447 cases (now 482677), +1 deaths (now 7398), +9355 tests (now 4.4 million) since 19 hours ago — Angola: +112 cases (now 65760), +1 deaths (now 1738) since 23 hours ago | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Advise public to reduce social contacts to keep NHS running, say health leaders: Medical leaders and experts have urged the Westminster government to implement further protective measures against covid-19 immediately to try to halt the rapid acceleration of omicron cases that... → http://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3116.short | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for S. Sudan: +166 cases (now 13309), +6542 tests (now 281458) since 5 hours ago — Rwanda: +153 cases (now 101183), +19327 tests (now 3.7 million) since a day ago — Gabon: +62 cases (now 37743), +4728 tests (now 1.5 million) since a day ago | 02:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +16 deaths (now 11967) since 11 hours ago | 02:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New York reports 21,027 new COVID-19 cases in a single day, the highest the state has ever recorded → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/riw4t6/new_york_reports_21027_new_covid19_cases_in_a/ | 02:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Follow up of the 1st US Omicron superspreader event @Cornell, among students who were 97% vaccinated, now >1,300 cases at the University, no severe illness, neighboring town affected (similar 0-sign |)by @AnilOza16 @cornellsun cornellsun.com/2021/12/17/how… [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1472024588393463808 | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +7414 cases (now 1.9 million), +17 deaths (now 30087) since 11 hours ago | 03:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Highest number of confirmed cases in New York State for the pandemic, >20% Omicron, with O-sign | pic.twitter.com/LfUc1Zgm4K → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1472034959925792769 | 03:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Antibody Response and Variant Cross-Neutralization After SARS-CoV-2 Breakthrough Infection → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rixiue/antibody_response_and_variant_crossneutralization/ | 04:05 |
| sdfgsdfg | is uk still peaking with delta wave ? I'm curious to see if omicron is going to replace it, I can't find the numbers of omic vs delta in UK | 04:08 |
| LjL | sdfgsdfg, have https://twitter.com/theosanderson/status/1471905050998026253 | 04:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | it certainly doesn't look like a replacement, they work together - that's scary | 04:11 |
| sdfgsdfg | omicron as the scout and delta as the executioner | 04:12 |
| LjL | sdfgsdfg, yes although an official UKHSA document makes it look different, and i've talked to some other people about this, seemed confusing | 04:12 |
| LjL | sdfgsdfg, https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1042100/20211217_OS_Daily_Omicron_Overview.pdf especially page 4 | 04:12 |
| LjL | de-facto, heh i see only now you pointed out they finally changed the "nu" tracker to "omicron" :P | 04:13 |
| de-facto | yes and the other bno site links to this, so its the combined efforts now | 04:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Pfizer study tests extra covid-19 vaccine dose for kids under 5 in setback → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/pfizer-study-tests-extra-covid-19-vaccine-dose-for-kids-under-5-in-setback-7678660/ | 04:15 |
| sdfgsdfg | there's the politicians' promise to never lockdown again. We must be lucky | 04:16 |
| sdfgsdfg | combined efforts :D | 04:16 |
| sdfgsdfg | at least in commonwealth countries. | 04:16 |
| de-facto | hmmm hmm hm, would antibodies raised against omicron infection neutralize Delta (and vise versa)? maybe that also plays a role in displacing a previous CoV-VoC, not only containment measures adjusted to contain the more infectious variant (and thereby imposing even more constraint for the less fit VoC) | 04:17 |
| de-facto | politicians promising to never lockdown again seem to assume they can predict the future, in my eyes that makes them naive and incompetent for their job: Rt < 1 | 04:19 |
| spybert | They promise anything because they know they won't be punished. | 04:20 |
| de-facto | so why listen to anything they say anyhow, i would only judge them from the results of their actions (or lack of them in case some intervention would be required) | 04:22 |
| sdfgsdfg | I'll be at the beach for 8 hours I need the vitamins D, take care guys and ignore the muppets :P | 04:24 |
| de-facto | enjoy your stay on the beach :) | 04:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Canada’s Trudeau says Omicron spike ‘scary,’ Ottawa to lift Africa travel ban → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/canadas-trudeau-says-omicron-spike-scary-ottawa-to-lift-africa-travel-ban-7678668/ | 04:25 |
| de-facto | SA bravely warned the world about Omicron, and now the big awakening happens after missing the opportunity to contain or at least slow down the global spread? | 04:28 |
| de-facto | all the time wasted? | 04:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +92907 cases (now 11.3 million), +113 deaths (now 147509) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +15433 cases (now 3.0 million), +63 deaths (now 20831) since 22 hours ago | 04:30 |
| minthos | same story as with wuhan early 2020 | 04:32 |
| de-facto | its like humanity did not learn from it at all | 04:33 |
| de-facto | hence it repeats patiently | 04:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Nursing homes with the highest profit margins have the lowest quality. The Covid-19 pandemic revealed that for-profit long-term care homes had worse patient outcomes than not-for-profit homes. Long-term care homes owned by private equity firms and [... want %more?] → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/riy3wc/nursing_homes_with_the_highest_profit_margins/ | 04:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: 34 out of 43 confirmed U.S. Omicron cases are in fully vaccinated persons - CDC. → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/riy7rd/34_out_of_43_confirmed_us_omicron_cases_are_in/ | 04:43 |
| LjL | ↑ doesn't look great | 04:49 |
| LjL | that's actually a higher rate than the vaccination rate in the US | 04:49 |
| LjL | (though it may be in a place with higher vaccination rate than elsewhere) | 04:49 |
| LjL | but still, it breaks through the vaccine like warm butter | 04:49 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.529 (Omicron) Variant — United States, December 1–8, 2021 ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/Q6223BTJ ) | 04:51 | |
| Dredd | Chris Whitty showed data that Omicron is stacking with Delta in the UK, not replacing | 04:52 |
| Dredd | ☹️ | 04:52 |
| LjL | Dredd, did you see the UKHSA graphs though? | 04:53 |
| LjL | it's confusing and looks somewhat contradictory | 04:53 |
| LjL | and i haven't been able to understand the reason | 04:53 |
| Dredd | https://news.sky.com/story/amp/man-kicked-off-flight-for-wearing-womens-underwear-as-face-mask-12498075 | 04:53 |
| Dredd | .title | 04:53 |
| Brainstorm | Dredd: From news.sky.com: Man kicked off flight for wearing women's underwear as face mask | US News | Sky News | 04:53 |
| LjL | ... | 04:54 |
| Dredd | LjL: I dunno what I'm trust Chris Whitty for now | 04:54 |
| LjL | Dredd, well the graphs i linked to now for sdfgsdfg also support that | 04:54 |
| LjL | so there's just some seemingly contradicting stuff | 04:54 |
| LjL | Dredd, also have you seen https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FG0miosX0Ag8DAC?format=png&name=small ;( | 04:55 |
| Dredd | Yeah it's a double exponential lol | 04:55 |
| Dredd | I expect that in the UK there isn't a bottle neck on infections right now that stops Delta I guess | 04:56 |
| LjL | and who knows what the bottleneck (when it does happen) is caused by | 04:56 |
| LjL | i certainly don't | 04:56 |
| LjL | i'm glad there is usually one | 04:57 |
| Dredd | There are still people here in a supermarket with no back on yesterday | 04:57 |
| LjL | and i'm tentatively glad that so far, South Africa seems to have already hit ont | 04:57 |
| Dredd | s/back/mask/ | 04:57 |
| LjL | Dredd, stupid people are gonna be stupid. the way it works here is you don't have a mask on, you get escorted out | 04:57 |
| Dredd | And the staff as always were consistently not wearing a mask | 04:57 |
| LjL | and it's actually still illegal to go outside without *carrying* a mask. that's never stopped being illegal | 04:58 |
| LjL | you no longer have to wear it outdoors, but you must have one | 04:58 |
| Dredd | I got asked to remove my mask so they could age check be | 04:58 |
| Dredd | s/be/me/ | 04:58 |
| LjL | Dredd, well, that's even worse as it 1) undermines any credibility of the mandate and 2) makes it almost impossible for staff to ask people to put their mask on | 04:58 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.med.hku.hk/en/news/press/20211215-omicron-sars-cov-2-infection | 04:59 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.med.hku.hk: HKUMed finds Omicron SARS-CoV-2 can infect faster and better than Delta in human bronchus but with less severe infection in lung - News | HKUMed | 04:59 |
| LjL | Dredd, some people got asked to take off their masks to vote here. maybe most people. i luckily wasn't ;( | 04:59 |
| Dredd | Lol, UK staff have never asked people to put one on | 04:59 |
| LjL | the UK has some good things, like sequencing and like a lot of the science | 04:59 |
| Dredd | Infact I've seen them talk as lot with customers about how bad masks are | 04:59 |
| LjL | but the public seems to be stupider than italians | 04:59 |
| LjL | which is a high bar | 04:59 |
| Dredd | Oh yeah, I went there to get masks because I've run out | 04:59 |
| Dredd | They don't sell them | 04:59 |
| Dredd | But they do have 8 aisles of Christmas tat | 05:00 |
| LjL | ... | 05:00 |
| de-facto | remark on that link: its in cell culture, hence its not clear if that would translate to more or less severity, similar patterns are seen with Delta, but its more severe than its predecessors | 05:00 |
| Dredd | So all in all in pretty annoyed with the UK supermarkets | 05:01 |
| LjL | de-facto, also it's a press release and we don't actually have the study | 05:01 |
| LjL | (afaik) | 05:01 |
| de-facto | but having 70 times increased replication in upper airways would explain its more transmissible | 05:01 |
| minthos | stupidity and great empires seems to go hand in hand | 05:02 |
| minthos | I think it's just human nature really | 05:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Omicron spread: Scientists identify 1 symptom that confirms presence of variant | World News → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/riyy0p/omicron_spread_scientists_identify_1_symptom_that/ | 05:21 |
| Dredd | Fucking cockatoos clickbait in a pandemic | 05:31 |
| Dredd | "COVID hates this one weird trick!" | 05:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Comment] Scale up task-sharing of psychological therapies: The COVID-19 pandemic has fuelled a global crisis of unmet needs for mental health care, particularly for mood and anxiety disorders.1 Recently, the question of what should be the initial treatment [... want %more?] → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02736-7/fulltext | 05:40 |
| Dredd | Lol I'm not sure what cockatoos is doing in what I said... | 05:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 843: COVID-19 clinical update #93 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #93, Dr. Griffin summarizes Omicron fitness, S-gene target failure, monoclonal efficacy against Omicron, vaccination, monoclonals, and disease in children, persistence of memory B cells in the elderly, infection [... want %more?] → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-843/ | 06:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Sinopharm, J&J, Sputnik Vaccines Are Weaker Against Omicron in New Study → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rizzuf/sinopharm_jj_sputnik_vaccines_are_weaker_against/ | 06:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India Logs 7,415 Fresh Cases in Last 24 Hrs; Omicron Spreads at 'Lightning Speed' as Italy, US & UK See Record Surge → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj06bw/india_logs_7415_fresh_cases_in_last_24_hrs/ | 06:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for England, United Kingdom: +83159 cases (now 9.5 million), +98 deaths (now 127828) since a day ago — Florida, United States: +28841 cases (now 3.8 million), +29 deaths (now 62220) since a day ago — New York, United States: +20897 cases (now 2.9 million), +80 deaths (now 58492) since a day ago — Madrid, Spain: +7511 cases (now 952133), +6 deaths (now 16342) since a day ago | 06:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pfizer's child-sized vaccine fails to produce immunity in younger kids; company adds third dose to trials → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj0h1g/pfizers_childsized_vaccine_fails_to_produce/ | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19: UK breaks its record for the most daily infections for the third day in a row → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj0wzp/covid19_uk_breaks_its_record_for_the_most_daily/ | 07:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: London bars and restaurants are shutting themselves down as Omicron rips through UK → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj1jwb/london_bars_and_restaurants_are_shutting/ | 08:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Switzerland will hold referendum on outlawing the introduction of mandatory vaccinations → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj1t1x/switzerland_will_hold_referendum_on_outlawing_the/ | 08:20 |
| minthos | Dredd: it's your brain trying to tell you something important https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgcPWAdyX-M | 08:24 |
| minthos | .title | 08:28 |
| Brainstorm | minthos: From www.youtube.com: Cockatoo Ladyboy a Go Go | Bangkok Nightlife - YouTube | 08:28 |
| Dredd | minthos: lol | 08:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): In Global Study, Tougher Mask Laws Linked to Fewer COVID Deaths → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 08:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): @jburnmurdoch I think them using only resolved/noncensored cases does lead to an underestimate of the case fatality rate and mean hosp duration for the Omicron wave though. They should have used method adapted to censored data... → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1472112368452833290 | 08:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | December 18, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rj2opq/daily_discussion_thread_december_18_2021/ | 09:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Comoros: +43 cases (now 4649) since a day ago | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: UK, Netherlands considering new coronavirus restrictions → https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-netherlands-considering-new-coronavirus-restrictions-covid-19/ | 10:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘No evidence’ Omicron milder than Delta, British researchers say → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj3mn7/no_evidence_omicron_milder_than_delta_british/ | 10:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch): Magnificent use of animation from @theosanderson to show the "slowly, then all of a sudden" nature of Omicron. twitter.com/theosanderson/… → https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1472135640884068353 | 10:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): 2/ There’s still much uncertainty around Omicron’s severity. But we can see that cases are growing at an incredible rate. The concern is understandable. I genuinely have no idea how this will play out and can sympathise with the “plan for the worst, [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1472138764579446787 | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Paris cancels New Year's Eve fireworks as Omicron spreads -BFM TV → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj41i5/paris_cancels_new_years_eve_fireworks_as_omicron/ | 10:51 |
| LjL | little jittery earthquake | 11:43 |
| LjL | woke me up | 11:43 |
| LjL | https://geofon.gfz-potsdam.de/eqinfo/event.php?id=gfz2021yscn | 11:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: It's not clear yet if Omicron is a milder variant. But its rapid spread is certain to overwhelm hospitals, experts say → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj4sqp/its_not_clear_yet_if_omicron_is_a_milder_variant/ | 11:47 |
| Dredd | Morning LjL @LjL:libera.chat | 11:50 |
| Dredd | Today the UK might peak above 100k | 11:50 |
| LjL | hi Dredd, also bye, going back to sleep | 11:50 |
| LjL | after moving the bed a bit away from the shelf -.- | 11:50 |
| LjL | ;( | 11:50 |
| LjL | it was 93k yesterday wasn't it? | 11:51 |
| LjL | 88, 93, it might stay a bit short of 100k, or just about there | 11:51 |
| minthos | do we allow covid-related memes in here? https://old.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/rizo2r/inb4_total_organ_failure/ | 12:00 |
| dTal | I like that you posted the meme without waiting for an answer. The Council will now decide your fate. | 12:20 |
| minthos | I like living dangerously when the consequences are inconsequential | 12:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 17 dicembre 2021: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19 nelle Regioni Liguria,Marche, Veneto e nelle Province autonome di Trento e Bolzano.(21A07540) → http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2021/12/18/21A07540/SG | 12:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Namibia: +1257 cases (now 135951), +3806 tests (now 828465) since a day ago | 12:30 |
| Dredd | https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/covid-news-coronavirus-christmas-omicron-cases-booster-test1/ | 12:40 |
| Dredd | .title | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | Dredd: From www.telegraph.co.uk: Covid latest news: Christmas restrictions needed to stop omicron hospitalisations soaring, Sage say | 12:40 |
| Dredd | Just saw that | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): This study has been used by many as to suggest milder disease in omicron: Less virus found in lungs, more in upper airways relative to original type. But notice: compared to original, similar was also found for delta. But delta did not give milder [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1472168311240769538 | 12:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A reporter risked her life to show the world Covid in Wuhan. Now she may not survive jail. Zhang Zhan began an intermittent hunger strike after her arrest in May 2020. Rights groups say she has been force-fed and kept in restraints. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj5q6i/a_reporter_risked_her_life_to_show_the_world/ | 12:53 |
| Dredd | LjL @LjL:libera.chat: yeah I think it was about 93k | 12:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uganda: +186 cases (now 128764), +6839 tests (now 2.1 million) since 16 hours ago | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 18DEC21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/rj68br/global_covid_cases_for_18dec21/ | 13:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +158 cases (now 825603), +2 deaths (now 11572), +5483 tests (now 4.8 million) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +122 cases (now 1.6 million), +4 deaths (now 28047), +13971 tests (now 11.2 million) since a day ago | 13:33 |
| aradesh | damn. 92k cases reported in the UK yesterday | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: London bars and restaurants are shutting themselves down as Omicron rips through UK → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj6jqh/london_bars_and_restaurants_are_shutting/ | 13:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malta: +291 cases (now 41571) since a day ago | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.K. records highest daily number of COVID-19 cases since pandemic began → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj78b7/uk_records_highest_daily_number_of_covid19_cases/ | 14:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saudi Arabia: +116 cases (now 550738), +1 deaths (now 8861), +52239 tests (now 32.3 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Philippines breaches 100 millionth mark in vaccine doses administered to people → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj7bgc/philippines_breaches_100_millionth_mark_in/ | 14:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Kids make up largest share of recent COVID-19 cases, but will Omicron change that? | 17DEC21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/rj7qg4/kids_make_up_largest_share_of_recent_covid19/ | 14:46 |
| xx | didn't kids always make up the most cases? | 14:46 |
| lastshell | omicron projections for US: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/17/1065083105/u-s-omicron-wave-could-be-the-worst-yet-projections-find-and-its-coming-fast / https://covid-19.tacc.utexas.edu/media/filer_public/20/b0/20b055db-78da-41e6-a1e4-d3afaad6167b/omicron_emergence_-_us_scenarios_-_ut.pdf | 14:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: COVID-19 in Ohio: Mike DeWine orders national guard to hospitals → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/rj859y/covid19_in_ohio_mike_dewine_orders_national_guard/ | 15:05 |
| de-facto | lastshell, hmm are those factors for transmissibility and immune evasion relative to Delta even realistic? | 15:48 |
| de-facto | they look quite low to me at first sight, i.e. in reality it may be worse than their assumptions there | 15:48 |
| de-facto | Table 1 | 15:48 |
| de-facto | if we see doubling times like t2 ~ 2 days for Omicron that would correspond to Rt(ts = 4d) = 2^( ts/t2 ) ~ 2^(4/2) = 4 hence if Rt(Delta) ~ 1 in US before Omicron should be [ Rt(Omicron) / Rt(Delta) ] ~ 4 times as transmissible? | 15:58 |
| de-facto | may they assumed for transmissibility is 155% that looks pretty low imho | 16:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): We've had nearly 2 years to get Covid testing right in the United States, but it's still a blatant failure nytimes.com/2021/12/17/us/… by @SherylNYT and @SharonLNYT with my critique about rapid antigen tests pic.twitter.com/fniF3TzfVh → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1472219829545291777 | 16:01 |
| paul424 | Suppuse I was on the Moon last three years, and I don't know what's Covid pandemic. What entry, summarizing article in newspaper do you propose ? | 16:17 |
| xx | paul424: "old and sick people are dying faster compared to previous years, some virus is probably going around" | 16:19 |
| paul424 | xx: no , no I need to prepare a kind of presentation, that is some starting point in a real conversation ... | 16:20 |
| xx | you... you have someone coming from the moon and need to bring them up to speed? | 16:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): How did the American Indian and Alaska Native population achieve the highest vaccination rate of any racial or ethnic group?Ingenuity. Resourcefulness. Innovation.AutonomyNew @NEJMnejm.org/doi/full/10.10… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1472223669380210692 | 16:20 |
| xx | paul424: just say "Remember the spanish flu? Basically that, except in a world that has 10x the population and everyone travels all the time by plane." | 16:22 |
| lastshell | de-facto no idea this was a study from texas | 16:24 |
| de-facto | heh if the majority easily can age more than 100 years on the moon without even noticing COVID i would return and stay there :P | 16:24 |
| paul424 | forget about the moon story >_> arghjt, anyway google only shows some scientific papers relating to covid when I ask for summary | 16:25 |
| de-facto | lastshell, yeah it looks interesting, i just wondered where they pull their numbers from | 16:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Epidemiological characterisation of the first 785 SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant cases in Denmark, December 2021 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rj9jys/epidemiological_characterisation_of_the_first_785/ | 16:30 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.50.2101146 | 16:31 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.eurosurveillance.org: Eurosurveillance | Epidemiological characterisation of the first 785 SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant cases in Denmark, December 2021 | 16:31 |
| paul424 | https://www.ft.com/content/f1b30f2c-84aa-4595-84f2-7816796d6841 this one fine but too long | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +43663 cases (now 6.8 million), +267 deaths (now 108642) since 23 hours ago — Belgium: +9604 cases (now 2.0 million), +132 deaths (now 27895) since a day ago — Qatar: +179 cases (now 246367), +5967 tests (now 3.1 million) since a day ago — Canada: +9003 cases (now 1.9 million), +18 deaths (now 30088) since 23 hours ago | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A reporter risked her life to show the world Covid in Wuhan. Now she may not survive jail. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rj9wb7/a_reporter_risked_her_life_to_show_the_world/ | 16:49 |
| finely[m] | Great article. Double masks for omicron? | 16:55 |
| finely[m] | https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/12/mask-up-how-to-choose-and-maintain-the-best-masks-for-use-against-covid-19/ | 16:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Isolated neutralising antibodies from such persons are highly active against VOCs and emerging variants. Most bind to a IGHV3-53/IGKV1-9 gene combination. pic.twitter.com/71mqptrkDa → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1472232769648529419 | 16:59 |
| Malvolio | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_LhPMhkEdw&ab_channel=LexFridman | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | Malvolio: From www.youtube.com: Albert Bourla: Pfizer CEO | Lex Fridman Podcast #249 - YouTube | 17:02 |
| de-facto | wow cloth masks are still a thing in US? | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Art and Culture: Metropolitan Opera to require booster shots for audiences as Covid concerns grow → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/art-and-culture/metropolitan-opera-to-require-booster-shots-for-audiences-as-covid-concerns-grow-7677700/ | 17:17 |
| xx | I still need to find a decent fashionable black nanofiltering "cloth" mask | 17:18 |
| dTal | I feel sorry for people who are slaves to fashion where their personal safety is involved | 17:20 |
| dTal | you can prise my rubber GVS Elipse out of my cold dead fingers | 17:21 |
| xx | it's a bit of a special case for me. When I go outside, I have a proper valved mask thing that's better than any doctor has available. But I also do online video stuff for public, and 1.5y ago we decided to use masks even during online video in order to promote mask use. | 17:22 |
| xx | so I have a mask on whenever a camera is on me, and don't have a nice fashionable one | 17:23 |
| dTal | That's silly in multiple ways | 17:25 |
| dTal | but I understand | 17:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Theo Sanderson (@theosanderson): 83% of cases were Omicron in London for specimens of 15 December. Now causing five times as many cases as Delta, which has remained at similar level levels throughout December pic.twitter.com/th0bIgDb3Z → https://twitter.com/theosanderson/status/1472240903087603713 | 17:27 |
| xx | dTal: it is very silly, but whatever | 17:29 |
| xx | I don't mind it | 17:29 |
| xx | just pop a mask on before the camera starts rolling | 17:29 |
| xx | (I'm all alone) | 17:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +14682 cases (now 3.0 million), +53 deaths (now 20881) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +64103 cases (now 11.3 million) since 23 hours ago | 17:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Christiaan de Jong (@ChristiaandeJo4): @Doc_Box Hoe weet je dat het alleen in vitro werkt? Heb je daar onderzoeken naar gezien? En waarom werkt het in Honduras? En waarom werkt de pil met hetzelfde effect van Pfizer dan wel? Dit filmpje legt het heel eenvoudig uit: youtube.com/watch?v=ufy2Aw… → https://twitter.com/ChristiaandeJo4/status/1472242133260292099 | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): This story makes it sound like Denmark is in trouble despite severe measures such as closing cinemas, but what it omits is that Denmark has never required masks and apparently still won't. If they want to slow Omicron, that would be very [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1472245987125043200 | 17:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Denmark has done very well with the original strain by test and trace and good quarantine compliance without masks, and that was okay when SARS-CoV-2 had R0 of 3. Then they got well vaxxed before Delta. But they have been reluctant to take further [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1472247567874355200 | 17:55 |
| LjL | xx: aa yuu yuuchuubaa | 17:59 |
| de-facto | quite interesting the Pfizer CEO does not mention the developer of the vaccine they invested into, Ugur Sahin and BioNTech with a single word, leaving the impression (but not the direct claim) that it was Pfizer that developend BNT162b2, i wonder if they agreed before doing the interview to not even mention BioNTech | 18:00 |
| de-facto | it was an investment for them, they compared 20 different vaccine developments presented to them on silver tablet (as already developed and with promising results) they did choose which one they would put their money on in terms of investment in phase III trials and scaling production etc | 18:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: New Study Adds More Evidence for Omicron Immune Evasion: "more evidence that the omicron variant can evade the immune protection conferred by vaccines and natural infection and suggests the need for new vaccines and [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/rjbhcu/new_study_adds_more_evidence_for_omicron_immune/ | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ireland: +7333 cases (now 651476) since 22 hours ago | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Understanding Sleep Science CHANGED how I utilize Sleep to energize myself for the day → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/rjbrha/understanding_sleep_science_changed_how_i_utilize/ | 18:14 |
| lastshell | Lex Fridman podcast with Pfizer CEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_LhPMhkEdw | 18:21 |
| de-facto | .title https://joinzoe.com/learn/new-omicron-variant | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From joinzoe.com: What we know about the Omicron COVID-19 variant so far | 18:29 |
| Arsanerit | what will the next 6 to 8 weeks bring? | 18:30 |
| Arsanerit | in europe and north america? | 18:30 |
| de-facto | .title https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/omicron-and-cold-like-symptoms-rapidly-taking-over-in-london | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From covid.joinzoe.com: Omicron and cold-like symptoms rapidly taking over in London | 18:31 |
| Arsanerit | just cold-like symptoms? | 18:31 |
| de-facto | not sure if its just cold like, but a lot of them i guess | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +28057 cases (now 5.4 million), +123 deaths (now 135544), +697740 tests (now 129.8 million) since 22 hours ago — Morocco: +230 cases (now 952628), +4 deaths (now 14808), +16456 tests (now 10.6 million) since 23 hours ago | 18:32 |
| Arsanerit | is it possible that omicron has milder symptoms than delta? | 18:32 |
| de-facto | we will see in the next 6 to 8 weeks i guess | 18:33 |
| Arsanerit | probably | 18:33 |
| gustik | Arsanerit, of course | 18:35 |
| dTal | Arsanerit: possible but not likely | 18:44 |
| dTal | it's a meme entirely due to wishful thinking | 18:45 |
| Arsanerit | I didn't know it was a meme. | 18:45 |
| dTal | If I type "omic" into my browser bar, the second autosuggestion after "omicron variant" is "omicron variant less deadly" | 18:46 |
| dTal | it's not just a meme, it's the dominant meme surrounding this variant | 18:46 |
| Arsanerit | neither is among the top 10 suggestions for me | 18:48 |
| Arsanerit | I get "omicron", "omicron symptoms", "omicron deutschland", "omicron in germany", "omicron corona", "omicron vaccine", "omicron meaning", "omicron cases in germany", "omicron uk", and "omicron india". | 18:48 |
| dTal | it's firefox's awesome bar, dunno the backed but it's probably google | 18:54 |
| dTal | given how many germany-specific results you're getting, at least yoou are getting filtere bubbled | 18:55 |
| dTal | probably I am too | 18:55 |
| dTal | but take my word for it, that's all anyone can talk about with Omicron | 18:55 |
| Arsanerit | it's not listed with the suggestions at duckducgo either | 18:56 |
| Arsanerit | duckduckgo suggests "omicron", "omicron variant", "omicron variante", "omicron corona", "omicron virus", "omicon", "omicron news", and "omics" | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Countries with national mask mandates had lower COVID-19 death rates, global study finds → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rjcjwg/countries_with_national_mask_mandates_had_lower/ | 19:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Until now, we’ve fully relied on immunity to counter the virus. With Omicron and further evolution, it’s time to make this anti-Covid pill a priority. I would enact the Defense Production Act to get pills made at scale and not rely on one company twitter.com/erictopol/stat… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1472267556941549569 | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dutch to enter tight lockdown over Omicron wave → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rjd2z6/dutch_to_enter_tight_lockdown_over_omicron_wave/ | 19:29 |
| Dredd | <de-facto> "wow cloth masks are still a..." <- And the UK too | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Israel: +676 cases (now 1.4 million), +2 deaths (now 8232) since a day ago — Sierra Leone: +19 cases (now 6471) since 22 hours ago | 19:34 |
| de-facto | wow | 19:43 |
| de-facto | i dont see them here at all, most use FFP2, some use surgical | 19:43 |
| de-facto | i mean ok, cloth masks are better than no mask, they still catch the droplets (hence prevent people from spitting into each others faces), but aerosol filtering is quite limited | 19:45 |
| mrdata | aerosols are a problem for all mask types; best you can do is filter some of them | 19:51 |
| elephpant[m] | mrdata: not n100s | 19:52 |
| mrdata | i limit my time in indoor public spaces | 19:52 |
| elephpant[m] | i think | 19:52 |
| elephpant[m] | any word on zinc lozenges and covid? I didn't find much | 19:52 |
| mrdata | i think most americans are deficient | 19:53 |
| mrdata | you should get your rda of zinc | 19:53 |
| dTal | lozenges specifically are supposed to be protective against viral infections | 19:53 |
| mrdata | zinc lozenge is great for sore throat generally | 19:53 |
| mrdata | but with covid idk | 19:53 |
| mrdata | it cant hurt. use it when you feel that tickle in your throat | 19:55 |
| mrdata | but it is not cinically shown to reduce infection | 19:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Nice overview by @EricTopol of the current state of immunity and Omicron; US-focused, but the principles apply everywhere.nymag.com/intelligencer/… pic.twitter.com/YaprOBwDX8 → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1472278107755327492 | 19:58 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/netherlands-set-announce-strict-christmas-lockdown-media-2021-12-18/ | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.reuters.com: Netherlands goes into strict lockdown for Christmas | Reuters | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New covid variants chewing their way through North America, major outbreaks in Canada's big provinces, USA Walmart pushing customers out the door and locking them due to outbreaks → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rjdwha/new_covid_variants_chewing_their_way_through/ | 20:07 |
| Dredd | Topol calling for Defense Production Act to be invoked for paxlovid | 20:11 |
| Dredd | Sounds like a good idea to me | 20:11 |
| Dredd | We need to produce a whole lot more of that stuff | 20:12 |
| mrdata | whatisit | 20:12 |
| elephpant[m] | <mrdata> "but it is not cinically shown to..." <- thats what i found for covid too, not not influzena | 20:13 |
| elephpant[m] | influenza* | 20:13 |
| mrdata | yeah they checked it for reducing chance of infection or shortening symptoms; didnt find significant effect | 20:14 |
| mrdata | but if you are zinc deficient you should supplement | 20:14 |
| Jigme | the DPA will never be invoked. Gov doesnt care enough otherwise they would have done so already | 20:14 |
| mrdata | didnt they already | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: The Netherlands goes into lockdown over Omicron fears → https://www.politico.eu/article/the-netherlands-goes-into-lockdown-over-omicron-fears/ | 20:16 |
| mrdata | https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/03/13/976531488/defense-production-act-speeds-up-vaccine-production | 20:17 |
| Jigme | I guess biden did with the J&J but we know how that went | 20:17 |
| Jigme | Trump talked a lot but idk if he actually used it | 20:17 |
| Jigme | ooh looks like I was wrong, good on the gov I guess | 20:19 |
| de-facto | .title https://erictopol.substack.com/p/why-paxlovid-is-a-just-in-time-breakthrough | 20:19 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From erictopol.substack.com: Why Paxlovid is a Just-in-Time Breakthrough - by Eric Topol | 20:19 |
| de-facto | mrdata, ^^ | 20:19 |
| de-facto | DPA probably also comes with export bans i guess | 20:21 |
| de-facto | and maybe even supply chain export bans? | 20:21 |
| mrdata | ty | 20:22 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/pfizer-s-paxlovid-holds | 20:24 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.science.org: Pfizer's Paxlovid Holds Up | Science | AAAS | 20:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +8282 cases (now 1.9 million) since 22 hours ago | 20:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): Would like to thank and acknowledge the hard work on #Omicron of @GeneJockey15 @EduanWilkinson @WP87738523 @Carolyn86563982 @EvolveDotZoo @BhimanJinal @DarrenM98230782 @arambaut and many other authors that are not on Twitter! → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1472291701150658569 | 20:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): Manuscript 'Rapid epidemic expansion of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant in southern Africa' submitted to peer review and medRXiv, currently available at: krisp.org.za/manuscripts/ZH… → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1472291704342552578 | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +58536 cases (now 8.7 million), +85 deaths (now 122403) since 22 hours ago | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): Q&A with @dwallacewells covering Omicron. Why is the Gauteng epidemic cresting so seemingly early? What's going on with Omicron severity? nymag.com/intelligencer/… pic.twitter.com/U2ruLKyHLL → https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1472303334237237248 | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Once again, people, lack of evidence is not evidence of lackActual study authors say "Owing to limited follow-up time and few admissions, it is too early to conclude on the severity of the Omicron variant."Means no difference concludable yet, not [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1472305285272268801 | 21:43 |
| LjL | lockdown in the Netherlands | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): With Omicron the only data with power for determining severity now comes from SA. There, hosps and deaths are tracking lower, and the age distribution of deaths suggests that's true across ages. May be mostly/all from preexisting immunity but US-Europe [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1472310027935387650 | 22:02 |
| oerheks | LjL, lots of fireworks here, as protest | 22:03 |
| oerheks | also: bars and restaurant owners are clueless.. no income, paying rent and wages.. | 22:04 |
| de-facto | thank those that brought Omicron to Europe | 22:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): And will hospitals be slammed with Omicron cases, and lots of unvaccinated people die? Yes, unfortunately. All the above can be true at the same time. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1472312397054373890 | 22:11 |
| oerheks | 🤒🤢🤧 🥵 | 22:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | more "no evidence" news !!! now it's ---> "No evidence Omicron milder than Delta, British researchers say" (news from last 12 hours) | 22:16 |
| sdfgsdfg | how do they even find the evidence that there's no evidence | 22:16 |
| sdfgsdfg | The non peer-reviewed research was based on UK Health Security Agency and National Health Service data on people who tested positive for COVID-19 in a PCR test in England between November 29 and December 11. | 22:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | “We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta,” the study said, although it added that data on hospitalisations remains very limited. | 22:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/18/no-evidence-omicron-milder-than-delta-british-researchers-say | 22:17 |
| oerheks | those pesky journalists.. | 22:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +7422 cases (now 1.9 million), +9 deaths (now 30092) since 22 hours ago | 22:35 |
| Timvde | sdfgsdfg: it seems prudent to assume it's just as bad until proven otherwise | 22:39 |
| Arsanerit | I have found no evidence that omicron does not make your offspring infertile. | 22:42 |
| Timvde | That's a much bigger claim than "The symptoms are similar to delta" | 22:44 |
| Arsanerit | I cannot rule out that humanity will go extinct in the next five years. | 22:45 |
| oerheks | *if* this is the 4th seal, it just wipes out 1/3 | 22:51 |
| Arsanerit | Sometimes a politician says they "cannot rule out X" and a journalist pretends it's news. | 22:52 |
| oerheks | Statistics say statistics say nothing :-D | 22:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Trinidad and Tobago: +956 cases (now 84793), +33 deaths (now 2560), +1609 tests (now 485659) since 23 hours ago — Ethiopia: +791 cases (now 375810), +2 deaths (now 6861), +6911 tests (now 4.0 million) since a day ago — India: +5992 cases (now 34.7 million), +273 deaths (now 477170) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?] | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Discovery of ultrapotent broadly neutralizing antibodies from SARS-CoV-2 elite neutralizers → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rjhc06/discovery_of_ultrapotent_broadly_neutralizing/ | 23:08 |
| dTal | Arsanerit: this is the question of "burden of proof" | 23:14 |
| dTal | a priori we do not expect a variant to be particularly less dangerous | 23:15 |
| dTal | we do however *hope* it will be | 23:15 |
| dTal | sometimes people get carried away with that hope, and greedily interpret anecdotal statements that so far early cases don't seem to be *worse* as evidence that it's *better* | 23:16 |
| dTal | under such a circumstance it is completely reasonable to go ahead and say "there's actually no evidence for that" | 23:17 |
| dTal | it all boils down to expectations | 23:18 |
| Arsanerit | dTal: Fair enough. | 23:19 |
| Arsanerit | There's also no evidence that it's much worse and going to kill us all. | 23:19 |
| LjL | there is rather clear evidence it's much more contagious. | 23:25 |
| LjL | that is relevant. | 23:25 |
| Arsanerit | true | 23:27 |
| LjL | there's also been a long-running myth (i think i'll call it a myth, as it may be true in *certain circumstances* but many people seem to have taken it as generally true) that the more contagious a virus gets, the milder it "must" become | 23:28 |
| LjL | so that's also a reason to stress we don't know it to be milder, because a portion of people just assume it must be | 23:28 |
| LjL | i'm not sure from a psychological perspective, these "no evidence that..." headlines are any good, though | 23:29 |
| LjL | i think people will often just remove the "no evidence that", subconsciously. in many cases, negatives work in tricky ways | 23:29 |
| LjL | but then again, i'm not sure how i would phrase it truthfully yet effectively | 23:30 |
| sdfgsdfg | any docs here ? | 23:32 |
| sdfgsdfg | conjunctivitis is one of the rare symptoms of covid right | 23:33 |
| sdfgsdfg | the only time I thought I got covid months ago, it started with really itchy left eye, redness and swelling. Then a heavy flu, but test was negative. I have the same ocular symptoms again but this time I'll get tested every day for 3 days and see if the shtty test works. I feel like swab tests are sometimes not done properly and they have a good chance to be false negative... | 23:35 |
| LjL | yes conjunctivitis may be a symptom afaik | 23:36 |
| LjL | and yes it's also not a common one still afaik | 23:36 |
| LjL | not a doc | 23:36 |
| de-facto | 10% of St. Thomas hospital (London) personnel is in isolation due to Omicron | 23:36 |
| de-facto | i guess this will be the outstanding peak of the pandemic, Omicron driven | 23:39 |
| sdfgsdfg | it looked more like a plateau in UK, before omicron popped up | 23:41 |
| sdfgsdfg | Maybe it was a combination of a few peaks, triggered by schools opening etc.. | 23:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: These are the viruses that mRNA vaccines may take on next. Clinical trials are in the works for shots against influenza, HIV and more → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rjiabe/these_are_the_viruses_that_mrna_vaccines_may_take/ | 23:46 |
| sdfgsdfg | switzerland is voting to ban mandatory vaccines | 23:46 |
| sdfgsdfg | \o/ | 23:46 |
| de-facto | i am quite surprised that governments would not immediately go for a very strict lockdown seeing the Omicron cases *double* each 2-3 days. we do NOT know if its less severe, so until then they are gambling on their wishful thinking, yet they will not be able to get away with this | 23:46 |
| de-facto | hospital personnel declining, demand by Omicron infections increasing, this is a real problem | 23:47 |
| de-facto | predictions go like 0.5M people infecting themselves on Christmas, the very day where all families come together to allow Omicron to cross the bridge between all age groups | 23:49 |
| de-facto | then it also will rip through the elderly and vulnerable with most hospital personnel in isolation due to having tested positive for Omicron | 23:50 |
| de-facto | (am talking about UK, but also applies to many other countries) | 23:50 |
| de-facto | are the politicians all completely insane nowadays? its their very JOB to protect their citizens, all of them, even those that protest against lockdowns | 23:51 |
| sdfgsdfg | yes I'm really concerned about the christmas as well. Disease feels really really bad, you remember it when you get sick.. | 23:51 |
| sdfgsdfg | de-facto I think we are governed by very unreliable people | 23:52 |
| de-facto | also think about what this Omicron wave will do to all of economy: every business depends on some kind of supply chain, so if a significant part of people are in quarantine there will be shortages in all areas | 23:53 |
| de-facto | not only healthcare supply chains, but also food etc | 23:53 |
| oerheks | 2nd hand stuff is more valuable now | 23:54 |
| oerheks | also tons of people give away items.. | 23:55 |
| de-facto | soon we wont even have nearly enough *testing* capacity to keep up with this increase of infections | 23:55 |
| de-facto | so if people cant be tested their infection chains wont be ended hence incidence will increase even more | 23:56 |
| de-facto | infections only can take place when people are in contact, reproduction number Rt = contact_rate * transmissibility * duration_of_spreading | 23:59 |
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