| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: N.J. reports 15,482 COVID cases, in a tremendous jump that shattered the state record for 2nd straight day → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rn7ehs/nj_reports_15482_covid_cases_in_a_tremendous_jump/ | 00:06 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +13456 cases (now 5.4 million), +15 deaths (now 116979), +80924 tests (now 27.3 million) since a day ago — Colombia: +2475 cases (now 5.1 million), +54 deaths (now 129640), +59604 tests (now 29.2 million) since a day ago — India: +6681 cases (now 34.8 million), +104 deaths (now 478863) since 17 hours ago | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: NFL: Asymptomatic players not spreading virus → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rn7m4s/nfl_asymptomatic_players_not_spreading_virus/ | 00:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): To a varying extent, Omicron overriding all vaccines and prior infection for ability to induce neutralizing antibodiesAnd a report than even 3 doses of CoronaVac, widely used around the world, not providing sufficient antibody level response to [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1474158644098842625 | 00:26 |
| oerheks | "New York State, with >95% Omicron .." .. nobody believes Eric Topol | 00:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ivory Coast: +377 cases (now 62960), +1 deaths (now 707), +6479 tests (now 1.2 million) since a day ago — Somalia: +363 cases (now 23532) since 5 days ago — Bahamas: +140 cases (now 23380), +683 tests (now 179357) since a day ago — Netherlands: +13673 cases (now 3.1 million), +41 deaths (now 21085) since 19 hours ago | 00:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Comment] Mandatory COVID-19 vaccination and human rights: On Dec 9, 2021 the Austrian Government laid a bill before parliament that would impose a mandatory COVID-19 vaccination requirement for all its residents.1 This move followed the Greek Prime Minister's [... want %more?] → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02873-7/fulltext | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): Nevertheless, on balance some hopeful news. The Omicron peak will still be very explosive, but with a bit of luck it might also be brief & subside again equally quickly. My advice: go and get your booster! Stay safe. And go and relax a bit under your XMas tree! → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1474162698824859654 | 00:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 Youth Mental Health Resource Hub → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rn8nb2/covid19_youth_mental_health_resource_hub/ | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Angola: +1163 cases (now 68362), +2 deaths (now 1743), +7145 tests (now 1.2 million) since a day ago | 01:10 |
| oerheks | Booster shot campaign is a covid-event itself.. | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): @TWenseleers @chrischirp @jim_reed I'd love to see systematic epi work comparing serial interval and incubation period between Delta and Omicron. The Norwegian Christmas party case study was the only data I've really seen here. → https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1474170453052649475 | 01:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): Follow up #1: In tweets 6 and 7 I use estimate of 7.5% of London with reported Omicron and multiply by assumed under-reporting to arrive at 30-38% of London with Omicron infection. However, the 7.5% is 3X too high due to bug as described here: [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1474172690139213824 | 01:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): @trvrb I wonder if another aspect is people aren’t getting very sick on whole but also aren’t clearing infection as quickly because of lower affinity of antibodies, so shed for long period of time, perhaps while manifesting minimal symptoms [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1474174652377403393 | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +37 deaths (now 12128) since 10 hours ago | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Trevor Bedford (@trvrb): Follow up #4: Tweet 7 quoting 30% of London having been infected with Omicron was being shared outside of context of thread that includes correction. I've deleted this tweet to hopefully reduce confusion. → https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1474179626708602891 | 01:51 |
| LjL | grumble | 01:54 |
| LjL | Twitter. really not the right medium. | 01:54 |
| Malvolio | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOGc4_5f-Tg&ab_channel=WorldNewsReport | 01:55 |
| Brainstorm | Malvolio: From www.youtube.com: FDA Approves Pfizer Oral Covid 19 Treatment! - YouTube | 01:55 |
| xx | damn the FDA, now everyone will ignore all precautions because "there's a pill for that" | 01:59 |
| LjL | "everyone" won't | 01:59 |
| LjL | also that'd be a pretty silly reason *not* to approve an effective treatment | 01:59 |
| LjL | (approving Merck's on the other hand makes me uneasy) | 02:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kuwait: +178 cases (now 414591), +1 deaths (now 2467), +19785 tests (now 5.8 million) since a day ago | 02:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Omicron: Good news, bad news and what it all means: There are many things in our favour, but Omicron is spreading fast. What have we learned this week? → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769967 | 02:01 |
| LjL | have we learned how to sound condescending? | 02:05 |
| LjL | when the first thing it says is "this is not last winter", and then later it shows this graph https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/3E89/production/_122490061_optimised-uk_daily_cases_with_ra_23dec-nc.png | 02:07 |
| LjL | well yes, i'd have to agree, definitely doesn't look like last winter | 02:07 |
| LjL | "Two doses of a vaccine offer little protection against catching Omicron, which led to a massive expansion of the booster campaign. Now more than 31 million people in the UK have enhanced their immune defences. However, protection against catching Omicron seems to wane after about 10 weeks. Protection against severe disease is likely to hold up much longer." | 02:11 |
| LjL | ten weeks sounds... great | 02:11 |
| LjL | not sure where they got it from, but great for sure | 02:11 |
| LjL | ah yes. "But we do have anti-viral drugs now [...] Molnupiravir is an anti-viral drug that disrupts Omicron's ability to replicate inside our bodies and cuts hospital admission by 30%. Sotrovimab is an antibody therapy that sticks to the virus and cuts hospital visits by 79%." | 02:12 |
| LjL | not even mentioning Paxlovid, but instead the one that's probably dangerous, and the one that just barely manages to still work on Omicron unlike all of the other mAbs we had against Delta | 02:12 |
| LjL | this article is ridiculous | 02:12 |
| LjL | i'd say both drugs are dangerous now, since using *just one* monoclonal antibody is the road to perdition | 02:15 |
| xx | just wait till the people get scared of the word "clone" | 02:16 |
| xx | "omg they are trying to clone us by injecting cloning agents into us!" | 02:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: How Does Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome-Coronavirus-2 Affect the Brain and Its Implications for the Vaccines Currently in Use → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rna1sp/how_does_severe_acute_respiratory/ | 02:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: SARS-CoV-2 spike-specific memory B cells express higher levels of T-bet and FcRL5 after non-severe COVID-19 as compared to severe disease → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rnabud/sarscov2_spikespecific_memory_b_cells_express/ | 02:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uruguay: +446 cases (now 406127), +9436 tests (now 4.3 million) since a day ago — Cayman Is.: +141 cases (now 8386), +2 deaths (now 11) since 2 days ago | 02:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): And both drug-specific reasons for granting EUA are incomplete or incorrect#2: This again sounds like talking about benefit/risk for the patient, not for everybody else#3: sotrovimab, Paxlovid, remdesivir are better, and fluvoxamine is as good, [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1474191137992630275 | 02:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Airlines cancel holiday flights due to omicron impacts on crews → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rnaquv/airlines_cancel_holiday_flights_due_to_omicron/ | 02:49 |
| LjL | i hope it's not just Lin shilling for their drug and against Molnupiravir consequently, but i think i've seen that concern stated by multiple decent-sounding people (even though Lin definitely states it *often*) and i actually first heard it from de-facto as a common sense "what, really, that's its mechanism of action?! danger wanger" reaction | 02:51 |
| LjL | (i mean "i hope" in that i'm kind of amplifying the sentiment) | 02:51 |
| xx | well monoclonal antibodies definitely are not something I want in my body unless I'm about to die | 02:57 |
| xx | and even then I'd be wary | 02:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Newly authorized Covid pills won't change course of pandemic right away | The initial rollout of the antivirals will be slow: supply is limited and physicians must determine who's best suited for each drug. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnattw/newly_authorized_covid_pills_wont_change_course/ | 02:58 |
| LjL | xx, reason? | 02:59 |
| LjL | monoclonal antibodies are, after all... just antibodies that happen to all be of the same type | 02:59 |
| LjL | i'd be much warier of random convalescent plasma | 02:59 |
| xx | honestly, because 1) I don't fully understand how they work 2) The doctors administering it don't fully understand how they work 3) The manufacturer also isn't entirely sure how exactly they work | 02:59 |
| xx | I'd be more comfortable with it being applied to more people first | 03:00 |
| LjL | i'm confused. we may not know in some cases why some antibodies work for some things, but in general, we know why antibodies work. monoclonal antibodies mean using a lot of the ones known to work for a given thing, and no other non-neutralizing randomness | 03:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Concerns that Sinovac (killed virus vaccine) may not hold infection against Omicron after 3rd dose. Protection against disease should be in place; but unknown as yet.hku.hk/press/press-re… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1474198328070057992 | 03:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Rwanda: +473 cases (now 103170), +17843 tests (now 3.9 million) since a day ago | 03:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: China locks down city of 13 million people in response to Covid cluster → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnbgdk/china_locks_down_city_of_13_million_people_in/ | 03:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for British Virgin Islands: +130 cases (now 3016) since 6 days ago — United Kingdom: +122802 cases (now 11.8 million) since 22 hours ago | 03:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron Is Our Past Pandemic Mistakes on Fast-Forward → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnbonj/omicron_is_our_past_pandemic_mistakes_on/ | 03:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Vaccine donations from France, Germany arrive in Indonesia - Indonesia received 4.5 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines that came as donation from France and Germany → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnbue6/vaccine_donations_from_france_germany_arrive_in/ | 03:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: United, Delta cancel more than 200 U.S. Christmas Eve flights amid COVID surge → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnc3z6/united_delta_cancel_more_than_200_us_christmas/ | 04:05 |
| LjL | i'd like to believe this https://np.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnbonj/omicron_is_our_past_pandemic_mistakes_on/hprfcar/ is someone actively trying to elicit cautious "beware" responses, but based on the posting history, looks more like an idiot or a troll. but whatever it is, unfortunately they're stronger in perpetuating the "milder = no big deal" nonsense than i can be at warning against it. | 04:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +3363 cases (now 3.9 million), +149 deaths (now 298508), +20499 tests (now 12.2 million) since a day ago — Panama: +719 cases (now 485512), +1 deaths (now 7406), +10707 tests (now 4.4 million) since a day ago | 04:11 |
| LjL | well, great, i appear to be shadowbanned from r/Coronavirus | 04:11 |
| jacklsw | what does it mean by shadowban? | 04:11 |
| LjL | jacklsw, it means i only get to know i'm banned by opening my comment in a private browser, and seeing they aren't there | 04:12 |
| LjL | i should probably treat Reddit more as the general evil it is | 04:12 |
| ublx | maybe they have a mod queue | 04:12 |
| LjL | ublx, no, comments from yesterday are also invisible | 04:13 |
| LjL | it starts looking suspicious when a lot of your comments in a subreddit are exactly 1 points... | 04:14 |
| ublx | any idea what toe you stepped on? | 04:15 |
| LjL | not really. in the case of r/COVID19 i thought it was ridiculous but i was at least pretty sure what it was. | 04:17 |
| jacklsw | i suppose that sub is heavily mod now | 04:17 |
| LjL | on r/Coronavirus i certainly wrote some comments that were vehement and didn't Cite All The Sources but that's kinda what other people do as well, and why it's not the same thing as r/COVID19 | 04:17 |
| jacklsw | 'moderated' | 04:17 |
| LjL | jacklsw, well look at the idiotic comment i linked | 04:18 |
| LjL | maybe i should report it, but there's not even actual grounds for reporting it | 04:18 |
| LjL | and yet, it's the worst kind of thing that people do | 04:18 |
| LjL | "oh i thought it was mild? no big deal?" | 04:18 |
| LjL | did you even read the fucking article | 04:18 |
| LjL | it's ABOUT that | 04:18 |
| LjL | you may disagree with it | 04:18 |
| LjL | but read it, don't perpetuate a dumb meme | 04:18 |
| LjL | the article says, and it's true, that a lot of the messaging about the pandemic back in 2020 was "in 80% of cases, it's mild" | 04:19 |
| LjL | which was technically true, but an asinine idea communicatively, and caused "it's just a flu" memes | 04:19 |
| LjL | i hardly ever heard it the other way around - "in 20% of cases, it's way worse than a flu and you'll be in trouble" | 04:19 |
| LjL | maybe it seemed obvious, but the thing is, it's not | 04:19 |
| LjL | the way you state things matter, and when you're governments, agencies and so on, it matters more, and you should know that | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk): Tennessee Health Department says it's ending daily COVID-19 updates and move to a weekly report at the start of the new year → https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1474216967376621586 | 04:24 |
| LjL | ublx, can you imgur? | 04:26 |
| ublx | kinda | 04:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Bloom Lab (@jbloom_lab): Excellent thread from @seth_zost summarizing current data on monoclonal antibody therapeutics and #Omicron. twitter.com/seth_zost/stat… → https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1474218987978321923 | 04:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: SARS-CoV-2 infection in free-ranging white-tailed deer → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnd2tf/sarscov2_infection_in_freeranging_whitetailed_deer/ | 05:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Enduring pandemic pressures ‘taking a toll’ on health staff, warns union → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rndigj/enduring_pandemic_pressures_taking_a_toll_on/ | 05:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Peru: +2052 cases (now 2.3 million), +49 deaths (now 202424) since a day ago — Japan: +303 cases (now 1.7 million), +3 deaths (now 18386), +50994 tests (now 29.0 million) since a day ago — Belgium: +7593 cases (now 2.0 million), +43 deaths (now 28110) since a day ago — India: +374 deaths (now 479133), +1165887 tests (now 669.8 million) since 22 hours ago | 05:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: At least 180 infected in COVID cluster case at Marines base in Okinawa → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rne335/at_least_180_infected_in_covid_cluster_case_at/ | 05:49 |
| Dredd | Yay my PCR came back negative | 06:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: My COVID-19 Visit Risk Calculator (2021 - 2022) → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rneaau/my_covid19_visit_risk_calculator_2021_2022/ | 06:18 |
| LjL | Dredd, oh good | 06:20 |
| LjL | i suppose you're still feeling shit but whatever it is it's unlikely to be as bad as covid :P | 06:20 |
| LjL | so you had your christmas present, a negative PCR | 06:20 |
| LjL | i'll confiscate anything else you ge | 06:21 |
| LjL | t | 06:21 |
| coruja | my christmas present was the 3rd shot on wednesday, now my body aches all over still ;) | 06:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for England, United Kingdom: +106199 cases (now 10.0 million), +125 deaths (now 128414) since 23 hours ago — New York, United States: +35410 cases (now 3.1 million), +93 deaths (now 58889) since 23 hours ago — Florida, United States: +32869 cases (now 3.8 million), +83 deaths (now 62347) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?] | 06:34 |
| Dredd | <LjL> "i suppose you're still feeling..." <- Yeah still recovering | 06:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Singapore warns of ‘potentially big’ wave of infections as it tightens rules → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnf2al/singapore_warns_of_potentially_big_wave_of/ | 06:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: 🅂🅂 🅂 🄿🄽🅂 (@miss_thats): @Craig_A_Spencer @kissane Oh my God, we really are going to have to rely on that yankee candle company for Covid tracking aren’t we? → https://twitter.com/miss_thats/status/1474254145603448865 | 06:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: United, Delta cancel more than 200 US Christmas Eve flights amid COVID surge → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/united-delta-cancel-more-than-200-us-christmas-eve-flights-amid-covid-surge-7688095/ | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: My COVID-19 Visit Risk Calculator (2021 - 2022) → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnfot6/my_covid19_visit_risk_calculator_2021_2022/ | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): Parents Underestimate How Much Time Teens Spent Online During Pandemic → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 07:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Japan’s record $940 billion budget may help Covid-hit economy, fiscal discipline in doubt → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/japans-record-940-bln-budget-may-help-covid-hit-economy-fiscal-discipline-in-doubt-7688123/ | 08:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +69658 cases (now 11.8 million), +39309 vaccines (now 51.6 million) since 13 hours ago | 08:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Biden Omicron measures too little, too late for fast-moving virus: experts → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/biden-omicron-measures-too-little-too-late-for-fast-moving-virus-experts-7688269/ | 08:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: China CanSinoBIO's vaccine 57.5% effective against COVID in Phase III trial-study → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnhal0/china_cansinobios_vaccine_575_effective_against/ | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): Omicron superspreader event in triple vaccinated HCWs w neg PCR or LF test within 36 h prior to eventTesting before events should be done as close to the event as possible preferably on the same day when O is in circulationThank you @DrFridheim [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1474288971349999616 | 09:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: BioNTech mRNA Cancer Vaccine Recruits First Patient Into Phase 2 Trials → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rnhmv9/biontech_mrna_cancer_vaccine_recruits_first/ | 09:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gujarat, India: +111 cases (now 828905), +2 deaths (now 10108) since 23 hours ago — Uttarakhand, India: +39 cases (now 344697) since 23 hours ago — Madhya Pradesh, India: +30 cases (now 793581) since 23 hours ago — Andaman and Nicobar Islands, India: +4 cases (now 7708) since a day ago | 09:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: CDC Releases Emergency Guidance for Healthcare Facilities to Prepare for Potential Omicron Surge → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rnhtar/cdc_releases_emergency_guidance_for_healthcare/ | 09:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Booster protection wanes against symptomatic Omicron infections, British data suggests. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnhztv/booster_protection_wanes_against_symptomatic/ | 09:56 |
| Dredd | https://www.sfgate.com/shopping/article/reviews-of-Yankee-Candle-predict-waves-of-covid-16726068.php | 10:20 |
| sdfgsdfg | it wanes 25% in 8 weeks is what I read earlier today from an article I think | 10:27 |
| sdfgsdfg | after the 3rd dose / booster | 10:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +33314 cases (now 7.0 million) since 19 hours ago | 10:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: SARS-CoV-2 spike-specific memory B cells express higher levels of T-bet and FcRL5 after non-severe COVID-19 as compared to severe disease → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnily4/sarscov2_spikespecific_memory_b_cells_express/ | 10:34 |
| Dredd | <sdfgsdfg> "it wanes 25% in 8 weeks is..." <- We haven't even known about Omicron for 8 weeks 😂 | 10:34 |
| Dredd | Morning Arsanerit | 10:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Glimmer of Christmas hope on Omicron, says Jenny Harries: Early analysis suggests Omicron causes milder illness - but Dr Jenny Harries says more data is needed. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59776415 | 10:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Omicron outbreak at a private gathering in the Faroe Islands, infecting 21 of 33 triple-vaccinated healthcare workers → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rniu0a/omicron_outbreak_at_a_private_gathering_in_the/ | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +237 cases (now 826901), +1 deaths (now 11582), +8060 tests (now 4.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 11:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Georgia May Report 20-25 Thousand Daily COVID Cases Amid Omicron → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnj8vf/georgia_may_report_2025_thousand_daily_covid/ | 11:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: South Africa to Stop Quarantines as 80% Have Past Infection → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnjbwj/south_africa_to_stop_quarantines_as_80_have_past/ | 11:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Israel: +1781 cases (now 1.4 million) since 18 hours ago | 11:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Vaccinated Isn’t Enough: Omicron Carries the Risk of Long Covid → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnjfy3/vaccinated_isnt_enough_omicron_carries_the_risk/ | 11:40 |
| sdfgsdfg | look, that last news is really scary to me | 11:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | Perhaps the president was trying to avoid scaring people — particularly those who are vaccinated — by mentioning the possibility that even breakthrough Covid infections could leave them with lingering symptoms, neurological challenges, and/or a new disability for a yet-to-be-determined amount of time. Or maybe he thought that the week of Christmas wasn’t the most appropriate time to discuss this largely overlooked byproduct of the pandemic | 11:50 |
| sdfgsdfg | that has disrupted, and, in some cases, ruined so many lives. | 11:50 |
| sdfgsdfg | </quote> | 11:50 |
| sdfgsdfg | I didn't know even erectile dysfunction was one of the loncovid symptoms | 11:51 |
| sdfgsdfg | "...many symptoms of Long Covid, including but not limited to hair loss, erectile dysfunction, disruptive digestive issues (to put it mildly), and an array of rashes and other skin conditions..." | 11:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Before Christmas (just)We see Omicron turn-arounds in the first countries where it became dominant. A wave pattern that is steep, but in a lesser form will become the norm during the indoor times. pic.twitter.com/9eOuLXLqyQ → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1474332264582504448 | 11:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uganda: +1093 cases (now 131981), +7440 tests (now 2.1 million) since 23 hours ago — Fiji: +109 cases (now 52815), +682 tests (now 469654) since a day ago | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Isotonitazene: a new synthetic opioid in the UK: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported a record number of overdose deaths in the United States during the pandemic.1 Similarly, the United Kingdom has seen a rise in drug poisoning... → http://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n3143.short | 12:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Tokyo confirms first case of omicron community transmission → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnk5pf/tokyo_confirms_first_case_of_omicron_community/ | 12:27 |
| Arsanerit | "can" means many things | 12:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Locked-out New Zealanders outraged as visa scheme for rich foreigners resumes. Critics say the wealthy will be able to buy their way in while citizens lose out on quarantine spots. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rnkh6h/lockedout_new_zealanders_outraged_as_visa_scheme/ | 12:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: More than 1,900 Christmas Eve flights are canceled globally amid the spread of Omicron. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnkz2v/more_than_1900_christmas_eve_flights_are_canceled/ | 13:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belarus: +1921 cases (now 691072), +17 deaths (now 5466), +21716 tests (now 10.9 million) since 22 hours ago — Malta: +955 cases (now 44761) since 23 hours ago | 13:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Balazs Lab (@BalazsLab): Our paper describing the importance of boosters for Omicron neutralization is now peer-reviewed and published online @CellCellPress! Many thanks again to @wilfredo_nk,@kstdenis29,@EvanCLam,@vivek_naranbhai,@MGHPathology,@ragoninstitute for all the effort! cell.com/cell/fulltext/… → https://twitter.com/BalazsLab/status/1474357329936236545 | 13:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Plan a safe Christmas get-together amid Covid concerns with these tips → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/safe-christmas-get-together-covid-concerns-pandemic-christmas-celebrations-dos-and-donts-7688385/ | 13:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gibraltar: +70 cases (now 8084), +1244 tests (now 442267) since 17 hours ago | 14:03 |
| Dredd | <LjL> "he may well be right but the..." <- Michael Lin is as unbiased as a weighted dice | 14:05 |
| Dredd | I found my oximeter in the end | 14:05 |
| Dredd | I can't remember where but whatever I have it now | 14:05 |
| Dredd | Lol | 14:05 |
| Dredd | I mean, COVID is already very mutagenic. It should imo be studied whether treatment with the Merck drug gives it a fitness advantage over time or whether it comes down on the side of being now harmful than helpful | 14:07 |
| Dredd | In any case, maybe it could be given in a cocktail of other drugs that work to augment overall effectiveness | 14:07 |
| Dredd | More than as a standalone thing | 14:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: UK says Omicron cases at much lower risk of hospital admission - EasternEye → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rnlwtn/uk_says_omicron_cases_at_much_lower_risk_of/ | 14:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron is latest blow to pandemic-weary front-line workers → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnm26z/omicron_is_latest_blow_to_pandemicweary_frontline/ | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +3672 cases (now 228932), +3 deaths (now 3691), +13721 tests (now 2.9 million) since a day ago — Senegal: +46 cases (now 74302), +1501 tests (now 909482) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +342 cases (now 1.6 million), +1 deaths (now 28055), +16913 tests (now 11.4 million) since a day ago | 14:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Germany adds U.S., Spain, Portugal to COVID-19 high risk list → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnmg5o/germany_adds_us_spain_portugal_to_covid19_high/ | 14:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saudi Arabia: +332 cases (now 552081), +1 deaths (now 8869), +78214 tests (now 32.7 million) since a day ago — Qatar: +248 cases (now 247517), +6228 tests (now 3.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Elephant Santas pass out face masks, hand gel in Thai school tradition → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/elephant-santas-pass-out-face-masks-hand-gel-in-thai-school-tradition-covid-pandemic-7688529/ | 15:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: [Ireland] Record 11,182 new cases of Covid-19 reported → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnmxx7/ireland_record_11182_new_cases_of_covid19_reported/ | 15:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: More than 1,600 Christmas eve flights cancelled globally because of Omicron → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/christmas-eve-flights-cancelled-globally-omicron-7689108/ | 15:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +69728 cases (now 11.8 million) since 20 hours ago | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Prominent placement of the Omicron spike by @LaurenLeatherby @billmarshnyt @nytgraphics pic.twitter.com/s8mTmrvfR5 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1474387665847914500 | 15:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: To get through the COVID-19 pandemic, we need to learn how to live in an ongoing disaster → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnnizf/to_get_through_the_covid19_pandemic_we_need_to/ | 15:56 |
| darsie | Safe Yule! | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Airlines cancel hundreds of Christmas flights due to ‘massive rise’ in COVID-19 sick leave → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnnqbm/airlines_cancel_hundreds_of_christmas_flights_due/ | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive spike-specific immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rno3uc/children_develop_robust_and_sustained/ | 16:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ireland: +11182 cases (now 691557) since 20 hours ago | 16:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Hawai'i Rainbow Warriors out of Hawai'i Bowl due to COVID-19 issues → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rno6nf/hawaii_rainbow_warriors_out_of_hawaii_bowl_due_to/ | 16:35 |
| lastshell | good to know sdfgsdfg I always have erections all day long | 16:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): The Washington Post @wapo has published my thoughts on how FDA's ill-considered approval of molnupiravir may result in more immunoevasive SARS-COV-2 variants. We should enforce isolation of patients using it until Merck describes the mutations it [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1474405008456126465 | 16:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Some Christmas travelers face cancelled flights as the omicron surge hits airlines: In a preemptive move, United, Delta and others cancelled dozens of flights scheduled for Friday. They say the omicron [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/24/1067795977/some-christmas-travelers-face-cancelled-flights-as-the-omicron-surge-hits-airlin | 16:54 |
| xx | lastshell: you should get yourself a supply of viagra, it might help when one has a bad case of coronavirus | 17:09 |
| Arsanerit | what? | 17:09 |
| Arsanerit | you mean because of long covid and erectile dysfunction? | 17:09 |
| xx | Arsanerit: it's being studied but initial results are good | 17:09 |
| xx | no, nothing to do with ED | 17:09 |
| xx | viagra wasn't originally invented for ED anyway | 17:10 |
| Arsanerit | what was it for originally? | 17:10 |
| Arsanerit | I know it only from spam. | 17:10 |
| xx | something with lungs | 17:10 |
| xx | https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04489446 | 17:11 |
| xx | .title | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | xx: From clinicaltrials.gov: Sildenafil in COVID-19 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov | 17:11 |
| xx | viagra was originally for pulmonary arterial hypertension and is still being used for that | 17:12 |
| Arsanerit | I see. | 17:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Vascular Disease Patient Information Page: Vascular considerations with COVID-19 vaccines. → https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/research/coronavirus/publication/34937458 | 17:13 |
| xx | viagra should be in every mix that doctors try in desperation when nothing approved works | 17:13 |
| lastshell | I assume that was steroids not viagra | 17:14 |
| xx | it's all sorts of things | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +12943 cases (now 1.3 million), +11 deaths (now 18851) since 23 hours ago — UAE: +1352 cases (now 747909), +1 deaths (now 2155) since a day ago — Netherlands: +12786 cases (now 3.1 million), +41 deaths (now 21125) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +23456 cases (now 2.0 million), +17 deaths (now 30189) since 23 hours ago | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +124030 cases (now 11.9 million), +1787142 tests (now 395.6 million) since 22 hours ago | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Josiah 'So Mild' Grindrod (@JT_Grindrod): The number of people I've seen today (many with MD in their bio) advocating for pilots to be able to fly while COVID positive just further reinforces my belief we're living in sociopathic world. → https://twitter.com/JT_Grindrod/status/1474429230108741634 | 18:28 |
| Jigsy | 122K today. | 18:29 |
| LjL | and around 50k (don't know the exact number yet) up from 44.5k here, in turn up from 36k | 18:35 |
| LjL | "it's mild" do we realize it's the same thing that was being said at the start of the pandemic? "it's mild for 80% of who catches it" which resulted in "it's just a flu" | 18:35 |
| LjL | and now we're making the same idiotic mistake | 18:35 |
| LjL | enormous surge at a speed we can barely fathom, but people don't care because "it's milder" | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New York smashes its COVID record AGAIN with 44,000 new cases recorded in 24 hours → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnqobu/new_york_smashes_its_covid_record_again_with/ | 18:38 |
| LjL | %cases new york | 18:38 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: New York, United States has had 3.1 million confirmed cases (15.5% of all people) and 58889 deaths (1.9% of cases; 1 in 336 people) as of 12 hours ago. 6.9 million tests were done (44.5% positive). +35410 cases, +93 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20York&legacy=no | 18:38 |
| LjL | close to our cases, except, 1/3 the population | 18:39 |
| dre | LjL, doesn't help, that they offer no fallback options, I still can believe they fill sports stadiums maskless | 18:40 |
| LjL | well maybe we do a bit more but it's not like we're under lockdown either | 18:42 |
| LjL | i'm feeling more hopeless than a year ago, at least to the extent i remember how i was feeling one year ago | 18:42 |
| KrampusNerit | German rules about religious services are weird | 18:42 |
| LjL | the rule i'd set would be simple: "no" | 18:43 |
| dre | some are saying , that viruses become less virulent, when they also become more infectious | 18:43 |
| LjL | they've been saying that for too long | 18:43 |
| LjL | it may be true, *sometimes* | 18:43 |
| dre | as a sign that this one is in its late stage | 18:43 |
| LjL | and Omicron does at this point seem a bit less virulent, although it's not clear whether it's intrinsically so, or because of prior immunity | 18:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greece: +7660 cases (now 1.1 million), +94 deaths (now 20292), +781468 tests (now 44.7 million) since 23 hours ago | 18:44 |
| LjL | but do we realize that it's MUCH more infectious and that's going to counter the lower virulence by far? | 18:44 |
| LjL | like, MUCH more infectious | 18:44 |
| KrampusNerit | people think about themselves, not about the collective | 18:44 |
| dre | yes, I think that was the madness of 'herd immunity' advocacy in round 1-3 | 18:45 |
| KrampusNerit | and they think it's somebody elses problem if the hospitals are full, unless they work in a hospital or think they need to go there | 18:45 |
| LjL | KrampusNerit, even if they think about themselves, the probabilities of catching it are now much higher, and so it means the probability of getting serious infection are higher too | 18:45 |
| KrampusNerit | Most people are not able to work with probabilities correctly. | 18:45 |
| LjL | Ebola is much more virulent (deadly) than COVID, but guess what, it's remained confined to a few places. because it's too deadly to become a pandemic (for now, at least, yikes) | 18:45 |
| LjL | KrampusNerit, true, but that's why my head boils when i hear (like i heard in 2020) the *state media* going "don't freak out, for 80% of the population it's mild" instead of "be extremely careful, for 20% of the population it's quite serious" | 18:46 |
| LjL | of course it's the same thing, but it doesn't sound like the same thing | 18:46 |
| LjL | but they were probably more worried about people freaking out and "destroying the economy" from the start | 18:46 |
| dre | our cases went up 10x in 1 week, and all the news can do, locally, is recycle, the same memes, blah blah "we don't plan on a 'lockdown'" | 18:46 |
| dre | the log scale is not intuitive | 18:48 |
| KrampusNerit | That's probably why the coronavirus is "successful" at all: majority of people have no or mild symptoms, people don't judge risks accurately, so people are not accepting the restrictions it would take to beat the pandemic for good. | 18:48 |
| KrampusNerit | even less so for vaccinated people | 18:48 |
| dre | if sinovac isn't going to cover 'O' ; seems china needs a new vaccine quick | 18:49 |
| LjL | KrampusNerit, yes but you can *sort of* counteract this instinct with the right kind of communication. or at least, maybe you could: i don't know because i haven't seen any such communication! | 18:50 |
| dre | IMO, when people feel powerless, they must find reasons, like with domestic violence victims | 18:53 |
| xx | I wish hospital workers had more rights | 18:55 |
| xx | instead they are viewed as subhuman | 18:55 |
| xx | just let them do a regular 9-5 if that's what they wish, and don't penalize them if they just drop everything at 5pm and go home | 18:56 |
| KrampusNerit | LjL: I don't know about that. My unvaccinated colleague calls that "Panikmache". | 19:01 |
| Tuvix | Humph, just found out that the nuclear family gathering includes one of the host's friends (former housemates.) Now we get to find out if they're vaccinated (hoping yes…,) but I also suspect that's the individual with the most external social exposure :\ | 19:05 |
| xx | by now I'd say let them be unvaccinated | 19:06 |
| xx | it should be their problem | 19:06 |
| Tuvix | Not in a car with me and the driver who just recovered from cancer last year, TYVM. | 19:06 |
| Tuvix | If they're not vaccinated, they're probably going to be uninvited from getting a ride. | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Singapore reports no COVID-19 deaths for first time in more than 3 months → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnr4yy/singapore_reports_no_covid19_deaths_for_first/ | 19:06 |
| xx | Tuvix: why would you uninvite them? Whether they are vaccinated or not means nothing about whether they will spread it to you or not. | 19:07 |
| Tuvix | Actually, it does. | 19:07 |
| Tuvix | https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm | 19:07 |
| Tuvix | This was pre-omicron (which spreads even easier mind you) but a 2.34 times increased risk of reinfection in the unvaccinated. | 19:07 |
| xx | miniscule effect, not reproduced in other research | 19:07 |
| xx | and I'm talking about a vaccinated person being infected and spreading it to others | 19:08 |
| Tuvix | 234% is hardly "miniscule" | 19:08 |
| xx | compared to an unvaccinated person being infected and spreading it to others | 19:08 |
| xx | Tuvix: that's for a person getting infected, not for spreading it to others | 19:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malawi: +1265 cases (now 69735), +3 deaths (now 2322), +3037 tests (now 474004) since 23 hours ago — Morocco: +654 cases (now 954853), +2 deaths (now 14825), +19661 tests (now 10.7 million) since a day ago — Dominican Rep.: +506 cases (now 413191), +6 deaths (now 4234), +3605 tests (now 2.6 million) since 23 hours ago — Sierra Leone: +49 cases (now 6659) since 22 hours ago | 19:09 |
| xx | basically what I'm saying is this - if they are currently infected, then it makes no difference for the car ride whether they've been vaccinated or not | 19:09 |
| Tuvix | Right, a rapid test would be a better metric of that. | 19:09 |
| xx | exactly | 19:09 |
| Tuvix | Although a vaccinated individual _may_ (though data on this is really too weak to draw boad conclusions as I understand it) have a lower viral load. | 19:10 |
| xx | stop accepting proof of vaccination as some magic indicator of not being infectious | 19:10 |
| xx | instead demand testing | 19:10 |
| Tuvix | Well, if we can get them, is the issue now :\ | 19:10 |
| Tuvix | Driver only learned of this a day ago. You'd figure these kinds of things would be planned better, which is mostly what I'm griping about. | 19:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: IHME projects 90% of Omicron cases will be asymptomatic → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rnraxb/ihme_projects_90_of_omicron_cases_will_be/ | 19:16 |
| dre | Tuvix, maybe they are 'inoculated' like our NFL QB Aaron Rodgers, already back in good graces | 19:23 |
| dre | my group had an exposure event, and refused to identify who it was, who had tested positive | 19:24 |
| Tuvix | We'll see, it's just annoying since there's the (marginally) increased-risk driver and a 7-week old newborn at the event. Testing is probably the best approach, if we can find one now the day-before at a pharmacy. | 19:24 |
| dre | its been 10 days now, I didn't get tested | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Is there less intrinsic severity of Omicron than Delta and prior variants? Update from today's UK reportgov.uk/government/pub…Less frequent loss of smell/taste and in-lab lung cell infectivity (#6 below). (Still too early to know for sure) pic.twitter.com/JBwq4DCqu0 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1474445305823129601 | 19:25 |
| Tuvix | Yea, and if you monitor for symptoms and are able to mostly self-isolate, even if you had a mild/asymptomatic case, you're reducing where it could spread anyway. | 19:26 |
| dre | I've had 3 BNTs , and live alone , can still smell | 19:26 |
| Tuvix | The biggest value in testing gatherings if you don't have supplies to test everyone is to test the most likely to have picked it up. So, not the hermits at home, but the folks out with public-facing jobs or those dining indoors. | 19:27 |
| dre | just pisses me off, when the borderline CV deniers, care about their own 'privacy' > my risk | 19:27 |
| Tuvix | Healthcare laws often prevent release of who was infected, requiring just notice of when/where for the protection of others. | 19:28 |
| Tuvix | Of course, I've also been avoiding a venu that doesn't even bother requesting their operational staff (volunteer run sporting club with lots of close-contact, very close-space contact) to get tested when they were near a known-case. That's just the apporach of burring one's head in the sand. | 19:29 |
| Tuvix | venue* | 19:29 |
| Tuvix | I asked about how we planned to announce that this past summer, and was told directly by the owner "we can't ask [staff] to do that" | 19:29 |
| Tuvix | To the point of the NFL, at least they have a protocol and follow it. | 19:31 |
| Tuvix | The protocol at this club is basically "don't ask, don't tell, and don't get a test if you don't want the result to potentially say you're positive" | 19:31 |
| dre | well, I wanted to know if I had been within 6 feet for 15 minutes, and just met dead silence | 19:32 |
| xx | probably because nobody had a measuring tape and a stopwatch | 19:33 |
| Tuvix | The exposure time/distance is likely worse (less time and/or over larger distances) given omicron's demonstrated speed of transmission. | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Montenegro: +420 cases (now 162364), +2428 tests (now 949578) since 20 hours ago | 19:33 |
| dre | we sat at a table and had dinner, | 19:33 |
| xx | with the right air currents, you can probably catch it from someone coughing at the other side of a football stadium | 19:34 |
| dre | a yeah or nay isn't that hard | 19:34 |
| dre | nah, indoors 6 feet 15 minutes is going to be higher risk | 19:34 |
| Tuvix | Than a stadium? Yes. That chatter has a history of dubious comments and I've started ignoring the more insane ones like that. I could also be hit by dry lightning today but don't plan to take any protection against it. | 19:35 |
| dre | oh nevermind, that was a response to | 19:35 |
| Tuvix | Well, from _across_ the stadium. An unmaksed populated stadium is such a bad idea right now many formal groups are playing games in empty stadiums as this wave comes across hotspots. | 19:36 |
| Tuvix | NHL, etc. | 19:36 |
| dre | if they simply sent out an email, saying, we will notify you if we think you were close to this person, otherwise get tested, if you are concerned | 19:36 |
| Tuvix | Or canceling games outright. | 19:36 |
| dre | rather than just silence | 19:36 |
| Tuvix | Some of it is bare minimum compliance. This club for instance has basically refused to follow both national and the _local_ health guidance (taylored for this region) by saying that they're not technically required to. | 19:37 |
| dre | Tuvix, for the NFL, all the news wants to groan about is the poor NCAA not being able to field players | 19:37 |
| dre | such a tragedy to have to cancel bowl games or the playoffs logistics | 19:38 |
| Tuvix | Right, but you also don't want to be the group of teams that didn't and ended up with say 2/3 of your players testing positive, and thus spreading it to all their next-circle contacts. | 19:38 |
| mrdata | oof | 19:39 |
| dre | like they quarterbacks were on 'covid protocol' whatever that is now, and they were going to have to use practice squad players, so were allowed to move the games | 19:39 |
| dre | Aaron Rogers commercials for Insurance or whatever are already back on the air | 19:39 |
| dre | its like they are proud to not wear masks at games, a badge of bravery | 19:42 |
| Tuvix | Yea, most of the maskless where it's required or even suggested seem to be proud of that fact, and nothing shy of enforced requirements will change most of them I suspect. | 19:43 |
| xx | about as brave as not wearing a helmet on a motorbike, or a seatbelt in a car | 19:43 |
| Tuvix | Meanwhile, not that we needed it, but here's yet another summary of preliminary CDC data showing that vaccines are hugely effective even in the face of post-delta infections: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/breakthrough-covid-19-infections-deaths-rose-delta-outpaced/story?id=81822930 | 19:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Just to be clear: Omicron's less clinical severity than Delta has been established by reports from multiple countries (~40-70%). Here I'm referring to the ? of the virus (intrinsic), per se, being less pathogenic → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1474450005796687874 | 19:44 |
| Tuvix | One of the tl;dr's from that abc link, "Additionally, unvaccinated individuals had a 10 times greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a 20 times greater risk of dying from it, as compared to fully vaccinated individuals with a booster." | 19:45 |
| dre | one of dr topol's post says, O-CV is both doing neutralizing AB worse, and speeding up Waning of coverage for all vaccines BNT > Moderna | 19:55 |
| Tuvix | It'll be interesting to see the impact of the various vaccines, at least among the boosted, hold up though this omicron wave and beyond into 2022. I just got boosted yesterday, and stuck with Pfizer as I had for the first 2. | 20:00 |
| Tuvix | I wouldn't be surprised for varient-curated boosters to be come a regular or seasonal thing like with the flu, or for something else to happen. Could be less severe or surge-happy varients, or (worst case) vaccine-evading varients that still hold potency. | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): Many young children haven’t been vaccinated and were sheltered from prior Covid waves. If #Omicron is more virulent in those without baseline immunity, the risk is we may identify it first in younger age cohorts.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12… → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1474452361821274114 | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +50590 cases (now 5.6 million), +141 deaths (now 136386), +929775 tests (now 134.2 million) since a day ago — Ethiopia: +4573 cases (now 390737), +3 deaths (now 6888), +12348 tests (now 4.0 million) since 21 hours ago | 20:17 |
| LjL | is it true Israel has suspended their 4th shot plans for now? | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mozambique: +2770 cases (now 170077), +4 deaths (now 1965), +6557 tests (now 1.1 million) since a day ago | 20:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: DECRETO-LEGGE 24 dicembre 2021, n.221: Proroga dello stato di emergenza nazionale e ulteriori misure per ilcontenimento della diffusione dell'epidemia da COVID-19. (21G00244) → http://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2021/12/24/21G00244/SG | 20:32 |
| Dredd | <LjL> "is it true Israel has suspended..." <- Didn't they only start having those plans a day ago? | 20:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): It would be dumb for me to argue against a drug I think actually makes a net positive difference to COVID19 without undue risks. I have a few more decades I'd like to live, preferably mask-free, and my kids (and your kids) have many more after we're gone. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1474463718473748482 | 20:41 |
| LjL | Dredd, i'm not sure, i hadn't followed closely, this is just word of mouth from parents now | 20:49 |
| LjL | they said they heard based on UK data they've decided to postpone | 20:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: AnGes: AG0301-COVID19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/3/ | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/75/ | 21:00 |
| Tuvix | Hmm, I haddn't seen the fairly substantial change in stillbirths from CDC data comparing pre-delta to delta. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7047e1.htm (from an MMWR early release just this week.) | 21:08 |
| Tuvix | "COVID-19 documented at delivery was associated with increased risk for stillbirth, with a stronger association during the period of Delta variant predominance." adjusted relative risk of 1.47 pre-delta, and 4.04 during delta. | 21:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Aivita Biomedical Inc: AV-COVID-19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/74/ | 21:10 |
| Tuvix | Wow, insane correlation too with the modeling, "Effect modification was present in the model; the risk for stillbirth was significantly higher during the period of Delta predominance than during the pre-Delta period (p<0.001)." | 21:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +94158 cases (now 9.1 million), +167 deaths (now 123447) since 23 hours ago — Algeria: +375 cases (now 216098), +9 deaths (now 6222) since a day ago — Bahamas: +159 cases (now 23539), +660 tests (now 180017) since 20 hours ago | 21:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Some are scientists who have made important contributions to public education in this epidemic, some have been involved in molnupiravir research, some have reached out to me directly. I have learned a lot from their expertise and engagement and am [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1474477644301234177 | 21:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Long Covid patients are 'terrified' of omicron. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnul7a/long_covid_patients_are_terrified_of_omicron/ | 22:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lebanon: +2119 cases (now 709242), +16 deaths (now 9012) since 20 hours ago | 22:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The risk of breakthrough infections in people with cancer annalsofoncology.org/article/S0923-… @Annals_Oncology by @DrChoueiri and colleaguesAnd an outstanding overview @NatureCancer on the Covid and vaccine adaptive immune response nature.com/articles/s4301… [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1474488437839327236 | 22:17 |
| Tuvix | For those that like links without embedded tracking, that tweet's raw URLs are: https://annalsofoncology.org/article/S0923-7534(21)04880-8/fulltext and https://nature.com/articles/s43018-021-00298-2 | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): So I believe statements such as "MOV works because coronaviruses need accurate replication and live on the edge of error catastrophe" are accurate if interpreted as "MOV can work" but not as "MOV can never create escaped mutant viruses" → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1474489008151429120 | 22:26 |
| lastshell | https://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-does-booster-protection-omicron-covid-last-study-2021-12?amp | 22:27 |
| xx | anyone else starting to get a feeling that Micael Lin is a bit... odd? | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Trinidad and Tobago: +964 cases (now 88944), +37 deaths (now 2718) since 19 hours ago — Rwanda: +629 cases (now 103799) since 19 hours ago — Curacao: +323 cases (now 18622), +3153 tests (now 376902) since 23 hours ago — Aruba: +159 cases (now 17324) since 23 hours ago | 22:34 |
| Tuvix | From that first Cancer linked article, one of the conclusions reads to me like cancer patients should basically avoid everyone who isn't known to be fully vaccinated and possibly masked: "A multilayered public health mitigation approach that includes vaccination of close contacts, boosters, social distancing, and mask-wearing should be continued for the foreseeable future." | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Recent with data @GuptaR_lab and colleagues probing the mechanism for potential tropism shift of Omicron vs Delta. The lesstropism, the bettertwitter.com/GuptaR_lab/sta… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1474492004935483395 | 22:35 |
| xx | also twitter is such a poor place to distribute such info | 22:36 |
| xx | Tuvix: cancer patients were already advised to avoid unmasked people, irrelevant of anything else going on in the world | 22:37 |
| xx | and if I had cancer now, I'd definitely ask for a fresh test result rather than a piece of paper showing some vaccination status | 22:37 |
| Tuvix | In theory primary education is supposed to prepare people to evaluate sources and references of content in order to make informed decisions as to how reliable that information is. However, since my entier statemnet here doesn't fit in a tweet, this seems to be lost on many people. | 22:37 |
| xx | like, any doctor worth anything would prevent someone with even a runny nose from approaching a cancer patient currently undergoing treatment that destroys the immune system | 22:39 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but you're once again missing my point, which is broad immunity reduces the impact on these people right now. Depending on job situation for instance, they may not be able to have all their close contacts do any of those things. | 22:39 |
| xx | well that's the role of doctors then, to shield the patients from clueless relatives | 22:40 |
| Tuvix | If you're on chemo for say all 18 months of the pandemic, you'd propose, what, that the patient demand their employer, who might be very anti-mandate, require vaccinations, masking, and weekly testing of their workers? | 22:40 |
| KrampusNerit | 18 months of chemo? | 22:41 |
| KrampusNerit | is that a thing? | 22:41 |
| xx | hopefully not | 22:41 |
| Tuvix | I have family who used to work for an employer like that; the unvaccinated, unmasked were around a transplant patient on immunosupressive drugs. | 22:41 |
| xx | can't imagine anyone willingly sitting through that | 22:41 |
| xx | and yeah, I'd expect the employer to demand at least masking, plus regular testing | 22:42 |
| xx | that's what we do here | 22:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +3759 cases (now 34.8 million), +355 deaths (now 479218) since 22 hours ago | 22:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Sherry Baudet (@sherrybaudet): Dear @twitter @twittersupport. Please give us, the Dutch, the opportunity to report accounts for willfully and intentionally spreading #corona COVID-19 disinformation.Because it's spreading faster than #omikron and it's a fucking serious problem. → https://twitter.com/sherrybaudet/status/1474499043720146944 | 23:04 |
| sdfgsdfg | is the peak in africa really over ? It could easily go back up like in UK and leave them like a bunch of lying **ckheads ? :P | 23:07 |
| xx | sdfgsdfg: data is and will be very unreliable for the next week or two | 23:10 |
| dre | topol is saying 40-70% less virulent | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): MOV was called NHC previously, and it was actively being tested against coronaviruses like MERS at UNC right before COVID19. The below article is from 2019 November. That means academic collaborators were rapidly engaged once COVID19 [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1474506491809845249 | 23:32 |
| LjL | <xx> anyone else starting to get a feeling that Micael Lin is a bit... odd? ← i can't quite decide, he could be shilling for his lab and against merck, he could be genuinely and arguably correctly very concerned that molnupiravir is actually dangerous and the concern may be escalating after the FDA's EUA, or he could be going bonkers | 23:39 |
| LjL | my current opinion, as someone a bit bonkers, is that he's genuinely concerned and the likelihood of the concerned being warranted is high | 23:40 |
| xx | it's hard to put a finger on it, because some of the things he says demonstrate clear insight into the problem | 23:40 |
| LjL | my confidence on my guess is low, though | 23:40 |
| xx | but on the other hand the rhetoric is indicative of other stuff sometimes | 23:40 |
| LjL | to say it the way the UK advisory body thing does | 23:40 |
| LjL | https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1473848768592171008 for example | 23:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +12927 cases (now 3.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 23:43 |
| LjL | xx, the rhetoric is a bit over the top but i can't say that if i had the same amount of knowledge, resulting in the same amount of concern about it, i wouldn't try every rhetorical trick i know of to try to stop this drug from being used | 23:43 |
| LjL | i almost want to demote him to -ticker just because the bot feed here shouldn't generally be hammering home just one point | 23:43 |
| LjL | but that sort of neutrality may also be why people like Eric Topol end up speaking "both for and against it" with the net result being decidedly for | 23:44 |
| LjL | if you always speak with the majority, you can be found wrong later, but you always have the excuse you were wrong in good company | 23:44 |
| xx | I guess. For now, it's just an odd feeling I have about that person, nothing conclusive. | 23:45 |
| LjL | if you're right and you feel that the world isn't seeing it or is being conned, you're either bonkers or the world will think you are - but you may also be actually right and i expect the amount of concern to make you sound a bit bonkers | 23:45 |
| xx | I just wish there'd be more experts trying to hammer the point that the best option is to avoid catching it in the first place, and to avoid spreading it onto others | 23:46 |
| LjL | i share it. i can't *not* think about the insistence on Paxlovid being ultimately stolen from his lab's creation | 23:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: All US forces in Japan had been exempted from virus tests since September → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rnwia8/all_us_forces_in_japan_had_been_exempted_from/ | 23:51 |
| LjL | xx, also admittedly i'm reading this out of context (well, in the context that Lin wants me to read them), but damn | 23:55 |
| LjL | > And FDA knew this drug has PH risks: "changes in the spike protein occurred at positions targeted by monoclonal antibodies and vaccines. The clinical and public health significance of these changes are unknown." | 23:55 |
| LjL | this makes me shiver | 23:56 |
| LjL | the screenshot says "in a small number of subjects" before the quoted part, but to me that doesn't make it very much less scary | 23:57 |
| LjL | it's often been said that it's plausible Omicron came from *one* immunocompromised patient | 23:57 |
| xx | well the whole coronavirus thing also came from one person too | 23:58 |
| LjL | i can't see how we could collectively want a drug that's highly mutagenic and only has a 30% success anyway (meaning not only much lower than Paxlovid or possibly other things for the individual, but also meaning the individual likely remains infective with a ton of potentially mutated virus) | 23:58 |
| xx | hiv likely too | 23:58 |
| xx | etc. | 23:58 |
| LjL | xx, yes, well, i just really can't see how in the light of this, the FDA can be comfortable approving a drug that has being highly mutagenic to the virus as its core feature | 23:58 |
| LjL | and if the vote was 13-10 then they aren't all that comfortable i guess | 23:59 |
| LjL | just enough to pass | 23:59 |
| xx | LjL: that's why what Lin says just makes me expect him to bring up a conspiracy theory in the next few tweets | 23:59 |
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