| xx | I mean, we've already been comfortable with a vaccine that pushes the virus to evolve in a way that evades the vaccine | 00:00 |
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| KrampusNerit | German Ethikrat (ethics council) was quite divided about mandatory vaccinations, between "no", "yes for all above 18", "yes for all above 60", and "yes for all risk groups", I think it was. | 00:00 |
| LjL | xx, i'd argue it's not the same thing | 00:00 |
| xx | it isn't, you're right | 00:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: 1 In 10 Londoners Are Likely Infected With COVID-19 | 24DEC21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/rnwjlr/1_in_10_londoners_are_likely_infected_with/ | 00:01 |
| LjL | pretty much anything you do to combat the virus has as its corollary that you make it more likely for the virus to do "just the right things" to counteract it (or, less likely to do things that *don't* counteract it, so given enough circulating virus, some of it will do the right thing, and it will be enough of it) | 00:01 |
| LjL | but here you're *actively* making the whole process faster, it's not a natural consequence | 00:01 |
| LjL | well it's now officially christmas for me so you know what, fuck covid for the next few hours | 00:03 |
| LjL | maybe | 00:04 |
| LjL | but btw, other virologists i had already demoted to -ticker have been throwing shade *on* the ones like Lin who think molnupiravir is a big risk | 00:04 |
| xx | well I must admit I do have a morbid curiosity as to what the coronavirus could evolve into | 00:05 |
| LjL | maybe ultimately i'll remove everyone as they all have biases that they won't acknowledge because it's generally hard, and much harder when it's about something that directly affects you. problem with COVID: directly affects everybody, can't even get remotely close to an unbiased view | 00:05 |
| LjL | let me just say i hope you never find yourself in a virology lab | 00:06 |
| xx | heh, I do and did find myself in virology labs, but thankfully I have no input on what the end up doing | 00:07 |
| xx | ugh, that reminds me of that crappy afterparty we had at the wuhan lab, where they served bat soup. I got the worst headache and fever afterwards when I returned to italy. | 00:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID: Germany records first death from omicron variant → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnwprd/covid_germany_records_first_death_from_omicron/ | 00:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +16279 cases (now 5.4 million), +29 deaths (now 117008), +95405 tests (now 27.4 million) since a day ago — Colombia: +3060 cases (now 5.1 million), +46 deaths (now 129686), +62465 tests (now 29.2 million) since a day ago — S. Sudan: +302 cases (now 14577), +4692 tests (now 292582) since a day ago | 00:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: UK Common Cold Maybe Omicron, South Africa - Peak is Over (Dr. Syed) → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/rnx772/uk_common_cold_maybe_omicron_south_africa_peak_is/ | 00:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Laos: +2508 cases (now 104373), +17 deaths (now 305) since a day ago — Ivory Coast: +432 cases (now 63392), +2671 tests (now 1.2 million) since a day ago — Guinea-Bissau: +4 cases (now 6462) since 2 days ago | 00:39 |
| LjL | %insult xx | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | xx, you're so headless that I would like to polish off you all with my convulsion | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Charts: Covid hospitalizations are rising across the country, even in high-vaccination states → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnxe0x/charts_covid_hospitalizations_are_rising_across/ | 00:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Perhaps MOV in humans, despite reaching blood concentrations similar to lab animals, only reaches mutagenic but sublethal concentrations (as in the curves above) in places where coronaviruses replicate, e.g. nasal mucosa. We don't do nasal biopsied to tell. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1474527445780819970 | 00:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Angola: +1859 cases (now 70221), +3 deaths (now 1746) since 23 hours ago — Uruguay: +612 cases (now 406739), +3 deaths (now 6162) since 22 hours ago | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Australia: +9730 cases (now 290945), +6 deaths (now 2188) since 23 hours ago — Lesotho: +1591 cases (now 27595), +15778 tests (now 312347) since 3 days ago — Bahrain: +221 cases (now 279277), +20680 tests (now 7.9 million) since a day ago — Cabo Verde: +114 cases (now 38865) since a day ago | 01:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): “South Africa’s government, buoyed by encouraging data showing that infections from the Omicron variant aren’t as severe, has dropped quarantine restrictions for all but symptomatic people.” - The New York Times @nytimes nytimes.com/2021/12/24/wor… → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1474541541720997889 | 01:54 |
| sdfgsdfg | did 2 key FDA people resign | 02:04 |
| sdfgsdfg | hmmm anyways ignore me, I got trolled by someone I suppose | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Volunteers prepare for Christmas Day booster jabs push: Vaccinations continue over the festive period after UK Covid cases hit a record on Christmas Eve. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59785948 | 02:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: NHS leaders alarmed by rise in hospital admissions as Covid cases hit record → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnz7fq/nhs_leaders_alarmed_by_rise_in_hospital/ | 02:32 |
| lastshell | i hope you guys have a nice xmas | 02:43 |
| dTal | thanks you too | 02:45 |
| xx | remember to surround yourself with negative people this xmas :p | 02:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: South Africa ends quarantines and contact tracing, and authorizes booster shots. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rnzjbc/south_africa_ends_quarantines_and_contact_tracing/ | 02:51 |
| lastshell | xx lmao | 02:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): “Early benchmarks from Denmark on infections and hospitalizations are providing grounds for guarded optimism that highly vaccinated countries might be able to weather omicron” and “avoid the dire coronavirus surge for which it has been [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1474558968877965312 | 03:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +3520 cases (now 3.9 million), +162 deaths (now 298670), +20695 tests (now 12.3 million) since 22 hours ago | 03:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘I don’t know how much more we can take’: Northeast Ohio health care providers reveal what’s happening within hospital walls → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro04z1/i_dont_know_how_much_more_we_can_take_northeast/ | 03:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: This winter’s flu season epidemic has started – what we know so far and what needs to be done to control it: In the week commencing 13 December the number [... want %more?] → https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/communicable-diseases/influenza/news/news/2021/12/this-winters-flu-season-epidemic-has-started-what-we-know-so-far-and-what-needs-to-be-done-to-control-it2 | 03:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +19324 cases (now 2.0 million), +10 deaths (now 30199) since 10 hours ago — United Kingdom: +122073 cases (now 12.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +12940 cases (now 3.1 million) since 22 hours ago | 03:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Kamala Harris tests negative for coronavirus after close contact → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/kamala-harris-tests-negative-for-coronavirus-after-close-contact-7689506/ | 03:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Coronavirus dampens Christmas joy in biblical Bethlehem → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/coronavirus-dampens-christmas-joy-in-biblical-bethlehem-7688654/ | 04:08 |
| LjL | uhm, looks like do we have some influenza this year then | 04:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for China: +145 cases (now 113503) since 22 hours ago | 04:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Some New Yorkers who test positive may be able to go back to work after only five days. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro1fur/some_new_yorkers_who_test_positive_may_be_able_to/ | 04:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: New York eases quarantine rules for essential workers as omicron hits key industries: The number of new COVID cases in New York doubled in just three days. State officials say the impact of the winter omicron surge on the workforce is already [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/24/1067922891/quarantine-essential-workers-new-york | 05:06 |
| LjL | "New York Gov. Kathy Hochul says most of the state's essential workers can return to work just five days after a positive coronavirus test if they're fully vaccinated and meet other safety standards." | 05:19 |
| LjL | this is a bit crazy | 05:19 |
| LjL | "Positive cases don't mean you're too sick [to work] and require hospitalization," she said. "We want to make sure our critical workforce ... can get back." | 05:20 |
| LjL | in very many cases, yes, you're too sick to work | 05:20 |
| LjL | this way employees will be pushed to go back to work even if actually sick :\ | 05:20 |
| LjL | "Officials in New York chose to cut the quarantine period even further — setting the state guideline at 5 days rather than 7. They also said workers returning to the job do not need to be retested. " | 05:21 |
| LjL | even more ridiculous, not even a test, you can go back to work at potentially the peak of infectiousness | 05:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +7233 cases (now 2.0 million), +39 deaths (now 28149), +156612 tests (now 26.8 million) since a day ago | 05:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Thousands of flights canceled globally as Omicron mars Christmas weekend → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/thousands-of-flights-canceled-globally-as-omicron-mars-christmas-weekend-7689591/ | 05:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +3399 cases (now 34.8 million), +302 deaths (now 479520), +1241811 tests (now 671.1 million) since 7 hours ago | 06:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 845: COVID-19 clinical update #94 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #94, Daniel Griffin reviews the FDA EUA for Paxlovid, test to stay in school, immunity after infection, variants and therapeutics, quarantine and isolation guidelines, Molnupiravir in non-hospitalized patients, [... want %more?] → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-845/ | 06:13 |
| dre | LjL, if they had a test for neutralizing antibodies, since they don't, just means herd immunity for all, esp with CV-type O | 06:25 |
| dre | its also probly not 'can go back', but go back or you can't stay on paid sick leave, if you have it | 06:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for California, United States: +20458 cases (now 5.3 million), +72 deaths (now 76126) since 20 hours ago — New Jersey, United States: +18941 cases (now 1.4 million), +26 deaths (now 28848) since a day ago — Lombardy, Italy: +16044 cases (now 1.0 million), +28 deaths (now 34887) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 06:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +121937 cases (now 12.0 million) since 22 hours ago | 07:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: UK agency: Pfizer booster's ability to prevent symptomatic COVID wanes within weeks → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro40hh/uk_agency_pfizer_boosters_ability_to_prevent/ | 07:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Chinese city of Xian sees Covid cases rise as it enters third day of lockdown → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro4k86/chinese_city_of_xian_sees_covid_cases_rise_as_it/ | 08:15 |
| Dredd | <LjL> "this way employees will be..." <- And spread it around | 08:19 |
| Dredd | <LjL> "uhm, looks like do we have..." <- Pretty sure that's what I must have had | 08:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US Navy warship sidelined with Covid-19 outbreak → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/us-navy-warship-sidelined-with-covid-19-outbreak-7689716/ | 08:24 |
| lastshell | https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/omicron-is-not-normal | 08:50 |
| Dredd | *sigh* or an immuno compromised patient who was essentially providing the same evolutionary environment naturally | 08:55 |
| Dredd | Or it evolved in a community with poor sequencing | 08:55 |
| Dredd | Absolute overly certain statements are an ally to misinformation | 08:56 |
| Dredd | If someone has made it with greater infectiousness and lesser severity to displace worse viruses are they a good guy? | 08:58 |
| Dredd | I've wondered about that strategy myself but it seems risky because you could get some sort of further unfavorable evolution or horizontal gene transfer | 08:59 |
| Dredd | There's so much wrong with that article that I CBA going through it point by point | 09:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 82 new Omicron cases in Singapore, spike due to change in Covid-19 testing practice: Ministry of Health → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro588v/82_new_omicron_cases_in_singapore_spike_due_to/ | 09:02 |
| Dredd | I'll just point out out talks about evolving it to be more fit in plasma but later on talks about it being designed to infect the upper airway more | 09:02 |
| Dredd | That environment would not select for that trait | 09:02 |
| Dredd | Also it talks about it preferentially selecting vaccinated hosts which seems bs. I've seen no good science in that - just poor stats that fail to correct for the fact that the vast majority of people are vaccinated or previously infected now in most of the places the data is from | 09:04 |
| Dredd | There's a bunch more lower quality journalism in that article for anyone with a critical eye | 09:04 |
| Dredd | In other news, seems like the UK is running at 120k cases a day now | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Many U.S. churches canceling in-person Christmas services as Covid-19 surges → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro59kg/many_us_churches_canceling_inperson_christmas/ | 09:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | December 25, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro5g7f/daily_discussion_thread_december_25_2021/ | 09:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Maharashtra, India: +1410 cases (now 6.7 million), +12 deaths (now 141404) since a day ago — Delhi, India: +180 cases (now 1.4 million) since a day ago — Haryana, India: +79 cases (now 772451) since a day ago — Goa, India: +67 cases (now 179965) since a day ago | 09:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Tokyo Starts Free COVID-19 Tests → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro5k6a/tokyo_starts_free_covid19_tests/ | 09:40 |
| sdfgsdfg | so according to the research from Denmark, vaccines more than doubles your relative chance of contracting omicron ? | 09:59 |
| sdfgsdfg | couldn't find any reference to some research, it's just this popular article https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/theres-something-antigenic-in-denmark | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Why you should upgrade your mask as the Omicron variant spreads → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro64ne/why_you_should_upgrade_your_mask_as_the_omicron/ | 10:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Malaysia : 30 Imported Omicron Cases From Umrah Travellers, Most Broke Home Quarantine → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro6bis/malaysia_30_imported_omicron_cases_from_umrah/ | 10:27 |
| aradesh | i made a table of UK population age ranges, vaccination states (vaccinated vs at least 1 vaccine) and cases requiring hospital care, or deaths over the last few weeks, and what factor unvaccinated people are over-represented by for each group: https://i.imgur.com/xT7QQSU.png | 10:39 |
| aradesh | as a demonstration to people that just looking at the "total" all ages put together, can be misleading | 10:39 |
| aradesh | i noticed when making that table that our vaccination coverage for 20-40 year olds is crap! | 10:57 |
| aradesh | it's like only 70% | 10:57 |
| aradesh | that's no good | 10:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Hong Kong: +25 cases (now 12581) since 23 hours ago | 11:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Yes, there is a Santa Claus. And no, Covid-19 won’t stop him → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/yes-there-is-a-santa-claus-and-no-covid-19-wont-stop-him-7688689/ | 11:05 |
| Guest82 | https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/24/health/cloth-mask-omicron-variant-wellness/index.html | 11:08 |
| Guest82 | CNN suggest to wear a N95 mask during the omicron pandemic | 11:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Medicina | Free Full-Text | Orthostatic Symptoms and Reductions in Cerebral Blood Flow in Long-Haul COVID-19 Patients: Similarities with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ro73i3/medicina_free_fulltext_orthostatic_symptoms_and/ | 11:15 |
| Arsanerit | huh? | 11:32 |
| Arsanerit | Why would the type of mask differ with the variant? Why would one start only now wearing N95/FFP2 masks? Why aren't those mandatory yet and distributed free of charge to the poor and frail? | 11:33 |
| sdfgsdfg | compared to those powered papr 's do they mention how less efficient they are in comparison | 11:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Kuwait makes COVID-19 booster dose mandatory for travellers → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ro79gj/kuwait_makes_covid19_booster_dose_mandatory_for/ | 11:34 |
| Arsanerit | what is powered papr? | 11:34 |
| Arsanerit | I thought FFP2/FFP3/KN95 were pretty good | 11:34 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_air-purifying_respirator | 11:35 |
| Arsanerit | Oh, those. | 11:37 |
| Arsanerit | I'm not sure if German regulations have decided if I can use those in public transport and shops. | 11:37 |
| Arsanerit | I think it would be quite the sight. | 11:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | just a hepa filter with neck and face cover and positive air flow | 11:39 |
| sdfgsdfg | couldn't say anything about HEPA and N95 comparison | 11:40 |
| Arsanerit | I will readily believe that full biosafety gear is safer than FFP2, but... | 11:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Omicron escapes the majority of existing SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ro7he8/omicron_escapes_the_majority_of_existing_sarscov2/ | 11:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Abstract 10712: Observational Findings of PULS Cardiac Test Findings for Inflammatory Markers in Patients Receiving mRNA Vaccines → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ro7leg/abstract_10712_observational_findings_of_puls/ | 11:53 |
| finely[m] | https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2020/04/10/scientists-redesign-full-face-snorkel-mask-to-combat-ppe-shortage/ | 12:14 |
| Arsanerit | that's from April last year, 20 months ago | 12:16 |
| Arsanerit | Is there still a PPE shortage? | 12:16 |
| sdfgsdfg | it doesnt look that bad with omicron in uk, hospitalizations arent increasing | 12:17 |
| Arsanerit | yet? | 12:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | its the end of demiccc | 12:17 |
| Arsanerit | What is demiccc? | 12:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | still, it wont be a shocker | 12:18 |
| Arsanerit | Where can I see UK hospitalisation rates? | 12:18 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59787338 | 12:18 |
| Arsanerit | hospitalisations lag infections by how much? 2 weeks? 4 weeks? | 12:18 |
| sdfgsdfg | I'm no nostradamus but it looks like it will be just fiine | 12:19 |
| Arsanerit | If hospitalisations don't increase despite massive increase in infections, that would be interesting, but is that conclusion premature? | 12:19 |
| sdfgsdfg | Arsanerit it can't be more than 2 weeks | 12:19 |
| Arsanerit | The really rapid increase in infections started in the UK on 11 December and is ongoing | 12:19 |
| Arsanerit | Don't we need to wait at least a couple of weeks more before we can reliably say something about hospitalisation rates? | 12:20 |
| sdfgsdfg | a few more weeks say 3 more, on top of 2 weeks and a few days is way more than enough | 12:20 |
| Arsanerit | Let's hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. | 12:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uganda: +1251 cases (now 133232), +8926 tests (now 2.1 million) since a day ago — Germany: +4630 cases (now 7.0 million) since 20 hours ago — Nepal: +157 cases (now 827058), +1 deaths (now 11583), +4283 tests (now 4.8 million) since a day ago | 12:36 |
| ZdrytchX_ | .cases australia | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | ZdrytchX_: Australia has had 292532 confirmed cases (1.1% of all people) and 2188 deaths (0.7% of cases; 1 in 11727 people) as of 5 hours ago. 53.4 million tests were done (0.5% positive). 20.4 million were vaccinated (79.5%). +9943 cases since 12 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia&legacy=no | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | ZdrytchX_: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Australia, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 12:38 |
| ZdrytchX_ | .cases germany | 12:39 |
| Brainstorm | ZdrytchX_: Germany has had 7.0 million confirmed cases (8.4% of all people) and 110908 deaths (1.6% of cases; 1 in 750 people) as of 2 minutes ago. 89.6 million tests were done (7.8% positive). 61.4 million were vaccinated (73.9%). +4630 cases since 20 hours ago. See https://corona.rki.de/ | 12:39 |
| ZdrytchX_ | .cases victoria | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | ZdrytchX_: Victoria, Australia has had 155739 confirmed cases (2.4% of all people) and 1490 deaths (1.0% of cases; 1 in 4426 people) as of 6 hours ago. +2108 cases, +6 deaths since a day ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Victoria&legacy=no | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | ZdrytchX_: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Victoria, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 12:40 |
| Arsanerit | .cases Biobío | 12:45 |
| Brainstorm | Arsanerit: the world has had 280.9 million confirmed cases (3.7% of all people) and 5.4 million deaths (1.9% of cases; 1 in 1410 people) as of 6 hours ago. 4.5 billion tests were done (6.3% positive). 3.3 billion were vaccinated (43.1%). +1 cases since a day ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=the%20world&legacy=no | 12:45 |
| Brainstorm | Arsanerit: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about the world, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 12:46 |
| Arsanerit | Why does it respond with "the world" when I ask for Biobío? | 12:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID in Europe: Record daily cases in the UK, France and Italy → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ro86h3/covid_in_europe_record_daily_cases_in_the_uk/ | 12:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Season’s greetings? Omicron dampens festive spirit, worries hospitality sector → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/seasons-greetings-omicron-dampens-festive-spirit-worries-hospitality-sector-7688784/ | 12:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 25DEC21 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/ro8rb0/global_covid_cases_for_25dec21/ | 13:17 |
| finely[m] | <Arsanerit> "Is there still a PPE shortage?" <- I'm sure there are lots of places without enough. A full mask covering the eyes that uses available cartridge filters might be nice for how can't afford/get a proper positive pressure respirator. Especially with a more infectious variant. | 13:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Counting the neurological cost of COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro8zea/counting_the_neurological_cost_of_covid19/ | 13:45 |
| finely[m] | ^ interesting considering other coronaviruses are speculated as a cause of Parkinson's disease. | 13:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: TWiV 845: COVID-19 clinical update #94 with Dr. Daniel Griffin → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro91na/twiv_845_covid19_clinical_update_94_with_dr/ | 13:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for UAE: +1621 cases (now 749530), +1 deaths (now 2156), +700821 tests (now 109.0 million) since 20 hours ago | 14:03 |
| Arsanerit | finely[m]: true | 14:14 |
| Arsanerit | I should have phrased: | 14:14 |
| Arsanerit | Is there still a PPE shortage in wealthy countries? | 14:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: More than half of unvaccinated people do not have antibodies against Covid → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ro9ao2/more_than_half_of_unvaccinated_people_do_not_have/ | 14:14 |
| xx | Arsanerit: has there ever been PPE shortage in wealthy countries where the people needing the PPE are also the same people who have the money to buy PPE? | 14:15 |
| Arsanerit | xx: yes | 14:18 |
| xx | which country? | 14:18 |
| Arsanerit | most | 14:22 |
| Arsanerit | in the first weeks of the pandemic | 14:22 |
| Arsanerit | bbl | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Finland to vaccinate 50k mink against coronavirus → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/ro9ob7/finland_to_vaccinate_50k_mink_against_coronavirus/ | 14:23 |
| the_narrator[m] | that's because the PPE is manufactured in poor country by children and then transported to wealthier countries where they are having some logistical issues (especially in the US with truck drivers etc). | 14:27 |
| * the_narrator[m] uploaded a video: (3454KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/HuvUuGMqKsvKZsOEFfrkyvZY/covid%20tests%20packed%20by%20children.mp4 > | 14:27 | |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): Thank you to everyone this year - from front line to back-room-lab - who is working overtime this holiday due to #Omicron. From a new wave of patients to a tsunami of tests, we are so, so grateful for your hard work during a time when you deserve [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1474733082037080066 | 14:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ireland: +13765 cases (now 705322) since 22 hours ago — Germany: +8418 cases (now 7.0 million) since 22 hours ago — Senegal: +51 cases (now 74353), +1362 tests (now 910844) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +275 cases (now 1.6 million), +1 deaths (now 28056), +13699 tests (now 11.4 million) since a day ago | 14:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: As US west braces for omicron surge, leaders take a hands-off approach → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/roa0v2/as_us_west_braces_for_omicron_surge_leaders_take/ | 15:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kenya: +3749 cases (now 281358), +2 deaths (now 5359), +11460 tests (now 3.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Catholic Diocese allowing each church to make own safety rules during COVID rise → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/roabhe/catholic_diocese_allowing_each_church_to_make_own/ | 15:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: South Korea sees record number of Covid-19 patients in ICU → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/roaeb4/south_korea_sees_record_number_of_covid19/ | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +67623 cases (now 12.0 million) since 21 hours ago | 15:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Omicron cases less likely to require hospital treatment, studies show(Which doesnot mean harmless: accurate data on pathogenicity, also after vaccination, will take time) ft.com/content/19065f… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1474750406945300485 | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): China will have great difficulty with #omicron and zero covid policy. They may need@ to join the rest of the world with mitigation strategies. #China should not punish its public health officials or citizens or foreigns because a more transmissible variant… → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1474751613374013441 | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: UK sets new record for COVID cases as Omicron sweeps London → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/roay1t/uk_sets_new_record_for_covid_cases_as_omicron/ | 15:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Deflated health care workers and desperate patients clash over alternative Covid treatments → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/roaz16/deflated_health_care_workers_and_desperate/ | 16:07 |
| xx | I already know a bunch of healthcare workers that are hoping many of their peers will quit, which will drive salaries up | 16:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: South Africans cling to Christmas cheer as Omicron spreads → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/life-style/south-africans-cling-to-christmas-cheer-as-omicron-spreads-7688795/ | 16:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): 21. Waarom? In d slijmvliezen is er n beetje meer tijd en minder directe immuun aanval. Het is ook de snelste manier om weer naar buiten te treden. Nog beter; minder opvallen is belangrijk; dat resulteert in selecte van een minder gevaarlijke variant. En dat zien [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1474764503589994498 | 16:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): 22. Omicron doet het beter in de bovenste luchtwegen dan de longen (preliminary) en lijkt idd minder schade aan te richten. Een volgende stap is om zich aan te passen aan een iets lagere temperatuur. Selectie noor ons immuunsysteem naar een balans. Niet naar gevaar! → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1474764505460748294 | 16:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Nitric Oxide: The Missing Factor in COVID-19 Severity? → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/robumf/nitric_oxide_the_missing_factor_in_covid19/ | 16:55 |
| saviorsave[m] | The New Fair Global Financial System In Modern Era 2020s | 17:00 |
| saviorsave[m] | https://illusioncyber.wordpress.com/2021/12/25/the-new-fair-global-financial-system-in-modern-era-2020s/ | 17:00 |
| saviorsave[m] | The download file is here: https://illusioncyber.files.wordpress.com/2021/12/savior_new_fair_gcr_sytsem.pdf | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Montenegro: +464 cases (now 162828), +1 deaths (now 2389), +2625 tests (now 952203) since 21 hours ago | 17:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Attenuated fusogenicity and pathogenicity of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/roc6n2/attenuated_fusogenicity_and_pathogenicity_of/ | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Malta's Vaccine Certificate set to expire 3 months after last dose of vaccination. Getting the booster will extend this validity by 9 months. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rocgdu/maltas_vaccine_certificate_set_to_expire_3_months/ | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +12599 cases (now 3.1 million), +44 deaths (now 21169) since 17 hours ago — Sao Tome and Principe: +11 cases (now 3755) since 22 hours ago | 17:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Covid, morto noto ristoratore di Marsala. Era un convinto No Vax → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA/comments/rod21d/covid_morto_noto_ristoratore_di_marsala_era_un/ | 17:52 |
| LjL-Matrix | Sigh... Best as I can see, the "treatment" recommendations for mild covid cases at home in Italy are still basically "don't do anything at all". It lists a few things NOT to do, but the only thing to do is "take paracetamol if needed" when paracetamol is AFAIK basically the one NSAID (sort of thing) that has no evidence of usefulness except symptomatic relief | 18:15 |
| LjL-Matrix | These being the guidelines for GP, so it's not like they're just the guidelines for patients so that they don't do silly things | 18:15 |
| LjL-Matrix | Now my cousin has it and her dad now got it too, my cousin is young but her dad is obviously older and with existing health issues. Another absolutely idiotic thing, she tested positive with a self-test on I think the 22nd, but she could only book a PCR for the 28th, and her parents (well her mom) is supposed to go to work anyway because you're only exempted due to self isolation when officially getting a positive PCR | 18:18 |
| LjL-Matrix | And keep on mind that won't even be the 28th... That's when they get the PCR, not when they get the result, which would take a couple of days | 18:18 |
| LjL-Matrix | Dredd ^ | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): In the extreme case we know for example that SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 are both capable of infecting humans, and these diverge by 20%, or 6000 RNA letters. The reasons for SARS-CoV-1's higher pathogenicity are unclear but reside somewhere in those 6000 changes. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1474790306948083714 | 18:20 |
| Raf[m] | <Brainstorm> "New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavi..." <- Why 3 months and not 6? | 18:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Meanwhile so far SARS-CoV-2 has only picked up dozens of mutations. It may not be possible for SARS-CoV-2 to evolve directly to something like SARS-CoV-1 but I'd rather not find out, and the numbers show there is a lot of functional mutagenesis space [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1474790308340588548 | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +54787 cases (now 5.6 million), +144 deaths (now 136530), +969752 tests (now 135.1 million) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +567 cases (now 12.0 million) since 22 hours ago | 18:31 |
| LjL-Matrix | Raf: it seems a rather conservative number but some study (I have a Swedish one in mind in particular) see virtually zero efficacy against symptomatic infection (hopefully there's some against hospitalization...) after 120 to 180 days, and Israel and the UK have been doing boosters after 3-4 months. I guess it may be also an attempt to just put some pressure on people who'd rather not get a booster, maybe? | 18:37 |
| LjL-Matrix | If it's that way then I sure hope they have a very high vaccination capacity and won't just leave people without a certificate just because they can't get an appointment in time | 18:39 |
| Raf[m] | Oh so original two shot series of mrna result in close to 0 efficacy after 3 months or so? | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Steve Miller (@SteveMillerOC): Number of covid patients in hospital in NYC from April 2, 2020, to now: pic.twitter.com/BpHualpg07 → https://twitter.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1474796433547022338 | 18:40 |
| LjL-Matrix | Raf: the zero efficacy was for AZ I think while mRNA lasted something like 200 days... But I'm typing from the phone now, check out the Zotero in the topic and search for a "Sweden" tag, you should find the study I have in mind | 18:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | Still it feels vaguely like that Malta article really meant 6 months... With 3 months validity it feels like most people will suddenly be left without a certificate, it's a bit odd | 18:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | One thing is allowing a booster after 3 months, another is invalidating the certificate after that amount | 18:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): But the 12 spike mutations in that first copy of Omicron allowed it to evade existing immunity and then grow exponentially to infect the entire globe in a few months.Molnupiravir tries to work by introducing a large # of mutations per genome. It [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1474796573167026180 | 18:49 |
| LjL-Matrix | Raf: I was also told by word of mouth, and then eyed something posted here by the bot yesterday, that efficacy against symptomatic infection may be very low after just 10 weeks with Omicron (again hopefully better against severe outcomes etc) | 18:50 |
| LjL-Matrix | I don't remember what it was, I've honestly been too depressed to write down things in the past few days | 18:51 |
| Raf[m] | yeah that sounds right for Omicron | 18:56 |
| Raf[m] | I haven't seen good quantitative results yet but for Omicron overall vaccines all look pretty bad. It's almost like Omicron is its own disease. On the other hand, the symptoms seem milder | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Characterization of COVID-19 outbreaks in three nursing homes during the first wave in Berlin, Germany - Scientific Reports → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rodxh0/characterization_of_covid19_outbreaks_in_three/ | 18:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Israel: +1307 cases (now 1.4 million) since 20 hours ago — Morocco: +734 cases (now 955587), +2 deaths (now 14827), +17795 tests (now 10.7 million) since 23 hours ago — Qatar: +279 cases (now 247796), +6133 tests (now 3.1 million) since a day ago — Djibouti: +13 cases (now 13568), +314 tests (now 256617) since a day ago | 19:03 |
| dre | sort of like trying to control ChickenPox varicella now | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +18992 cases (now 2.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Iran closes land borders with neighbors over Omicron concerns → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/roerdn/iran_closes_land_borders_with_neighbors_over/ | 19:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cuba: +125 cases (now 964607), +3 deaths (now 8320) since a day ago | 20:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: SARS-CoV-2 spreads through cell-to-cell transmission → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/roffo9/sarscov2_spreads_through_celltocell_transmission/ | 20:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Indiana nursing homes lost 9,000 workers during the pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rofmoj/indiana_nursing_homes_lost_9000_workers_during/ | 20:42 |
| Jigsy | https://nitter.net/UKHSA/status/1474771978129129475 | 20:54 |
| Jigsy | We did it!! | 20:54 |
| Jigsy | We beat COVID! | 20:54 |
| Jigsy | %title | 20:54 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: From nitter.net: UK Health Security Agency (@UKHSA): "A reminder that the #COVID19 Dashboard will not be updated today. Please visit the Dashboard on 27 December for the next update. We wish you a happy and healthy [...] | 20:54 |
| xx | yeah, covid is basically over when they find something more interesting to report on | 20:55 |
| dre | yeah our state is no longer reporting "pre-existing conditions" and other stuff for some reason | 20:55 |
| Jigsy | It'll most likely spike on Monday. | 20:56 |
| xx | nah, the virus is taking time off as well | 20:57 |
| xx | it's been busy whole year, it deserves some rest too | 20:58 |
| Jigsy | lol. | 20:58 |
| Maetskhali | it will spike in January | 20:58 |
| dre | iirc wait 2 weeks then they will need to come up with a new type of chart | 20:58 |
| Maetskhali | logarithmic still works | 20:59 |
| dre | ..or they could just report how many were *not negative when testing | 20:59 |
| dre | *not CV+ | 20:59 |
| Maetskhali | Since the start of the pandemic the Belarusian government propaganda news outlet has not reported how many people were infected or died, but they did report a steadily and then rapidly increasing number of recoveries. | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: How the Pandemic May Have Distorted Our Sense of Time's Passing → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rofys2/how_the_pandemic_may_have_distorted_our_sense_of/ | 21:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +139 cases (now 9.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 21:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): New preprint from a prominent lab in Japan finds that #Omicron has characteristics that could give it reduced binding potential to lung cells based on an experimental model involving hamsters. They postulate that it’s more transmissible but [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1474833027914207232 | 21:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): New York Times: “Beginning the week of Dec. 5 through the current week, there has been a fourfold increase in Covid hospital admissions among children in New York City… About half were under the age of 5, and not eligible for vaccination.” [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1474839477499617285 | 21:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair Says Anyone Still Unvaccinated Is "An Idiot" → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rogwz9/former_uk_prime_minister_tony_blair_says_anyone/ | 21:48 |
| xx | anyone still tony blair is an idiot | 21:49 |
| dre | +1 | 21:51 |
| sdfgsdfg | wow, babies are getting covid. We need to jab the newborn | 21:58 |
| sdfgsdfg | why can't we just get the same emergency use authorization for babies ? | 21:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +18119 cases (now 7.0 million), +120 deaths (now 111025) since 23 hours ago | 22:10 |
| dre | yeah the multiple systems disease, long covid, generation lost | 22:13 |
| dre | not so funny | 22:14 |
| dre | MIS-C | 22:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Polls suggest decline in mental health, but point to clues on how to address it → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rohb2o/polls_suggest_decline_in_mental_health_but_point/ | 22:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Dominican Rep.: +696 cases (now 413887), +3 deaths (now 4237), +3017 tests (now 2.6 million) since a day ago — Togo: +587 cases (now 27992), +2699 tests (now 607752) since a day ago — Aruba: +176 cases (now 17500) since a day ago — Monaco: +80 cases (now 4750) since a day ago | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The great COVID-19 infodemic: How disinformation networks are radicalizing Canadians → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rohra5/the_great_covid19_infodemic_how_disinformation/ | 22:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): SARS-CoV-2 is airborne. You need high quality masks (FFP2/N95 or FFP3/N99) to protect yourself as Omicron enters the scene. Good ventilation is essential. Air purifiers are effective in removing virus from the air. #SpreadTheWord twitter.com/jljcolorado/st… → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1474857592354742273 | 22:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ethiopia: +5013 cases (now 395750), +6 deaths (now 6894), +14027 tests (now 4.0 million) since a day ago — Bahrain: +241 cases (now 279518) since 21 hours ago | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Mining long-COVID symptoms from Reddit: characterizing post-COVID syndrome from patient reports → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/roi86m/mining_longcovid_symptoms_from_reddit/ | 23:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Wisconsin has wasted nearly 400,000 COVID vaccine doses, review shows → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/roih6s/wisconsin_has_wasted_nearly_400000_covid_vaccine/ | 23:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Interim results from the Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/roina8/interim_results_from_the_coronavirus_covid19/ | 23:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +1565 cases (now 34.8 million) since 17 hours ago | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Science marches on. Even on Christmas the crew @biorxivpreprint @medrxivpreprint has done careful screening and posting of 13 new Covid papersconnect.biorxiv.org/relate/content… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1474872279888580612 | 23:41 |
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