| xx | no way | 00:03 |
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| frumious | few, not my school district. https://thelibertyloft.com/2021/12/20/new-york-schools-preparing-for-cardiac-arrest-from-students-as-vax-mandates-loom/ | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ghana: +1881 cases (now 136436), +5 deaths (now 1274) since 2 days ago — Turks and Caicos: +41 cases (now 3276) since a day ago | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus Can Persist for Months After Traversing Body → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rp87n8/coronavirus_can_persist_for_months_after/ | 00:26 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guinea: +79 cases (now 31117) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +12217 cases (now 3.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 00:34 |
| mrdata | the suggestion that omicron deaths are low has had hazardous effects. either people have completely abandoned covid protocols, or the virus is breaking them. there is a lag, for those who it will hospitalize and kill, between infection and severe consequences. it is spreading so fast, there hasnt been time to tell | 00:40 |
| mrdata | popularizing the perception of relative safety is premature | 00:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): The second thing about ribavirin is, even if it were a viral mutagen (and the quoted references show it may not be at clinical doses, and its antiviral effect is not dependent on it), it has only been used in viruses with much less explosive potential [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475246576935206912 | 00:45 |
| hyrc | lockdown measures are harmful and counter productive. neither social distancing nor effectively prevents aerosol spread. the track and trace regime has no utility for an endemic disease. | 00:47 |
| hyrc | *nor masking | 00:47 |
| hyrc | the data are in | 00:47 |
| xx | people abandoned covid protocols a year ago | 00:48 |
| xx | hyrc: proper masking works | 00:49 |
| hyrc | what do you get when you mix politics and science? | 00:49 |
| xx | if you claim it doesn't, then why do they wear masks in level 4 labs? | 00:49 |
| hyrc | .. politics | 00:49 |
| hyrc | that is not relevant to mask mandates | 00:50 |
| hyrc | look at the studies the impact of mask mandates | 00:51 |
| mrdata | as omicron surges, thousands of doctors and nurses are calling in, sick | 00:51 |
| hyrc | how many have been fired | 00:51 |
| mrdata | are masks not working for this variant? | 00:51 |
| xx | mask mandates are pointless, properly wearing a mask however is not | 00:51 |
| xx | protect yourself, ignore others | 00:51 |
| mrdata | airlines have cancelled thousands of flights due to pilots and flight attendants getting sick | 00:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Notably it was used for HCV and RSV, but HCV as a bloodborne pathogen like HIV is not transmitted by casual contact, and RSV has a R0 near 1. SARSCoV2 Delta has a R0 of 5-10 and Omicron estimates are 20. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475246578227040259 | 00:55 |
| mrdata | if omicron R0 is 20, then it is more contagious than measles | 00:55 |
| xx | yeah it definitely isn't more contagious than measles | 00:58 |
| sdfgsdfg | I think Michael is probably mentioning the highest R0 seen in any of the nations maybe | 01:00 |
| sdfgsdfg | it could be the upper limit of omicron R0 | 01:00 |
| xx | that guy is moving more and more into the territory of spreading panic without sufficient evidence for spreading panic | 01:02 |
| xx | like yeah, rona is bad, real bad, but the world is far from ending | 01:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Now there is one final argument defending molnupiravir, and this is the only one with enough logic and applicability to SARSCoV2 to be worth debating. The argument is that the lower virus #'s due to molnupiravir at least offsets the higher mutation #'s [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475254927811231745 | 01:04 |
| mrdata | you need both R0 and serial interval to predict spread | 01:05 |
| sdfgsdfg | you also need context | 01:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kuwait: +240 cases (now 415151), +23908 tests (now 5.9 million) since a day ago | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: COVID-19 Attributed Cases and Deaths are Statistically Higher in States and Counties with 5th Generation Millimeter Wave Wireless Telecommunications in the United States. → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rp9l6k/covid19_attributed_cases_and_deaths_are/ | 01:13 |
| xx | wait what | 01:20 |
| xx | that's some bullshit | 01:20 |
| mrdata | 5G conspiracy theory crap? | 01:21 |
| mrdata | what if exposure to microwave radiation stresses the immune system? | 01:21 |
| mrdata | how do we rule that out | 01:22 |
| hyrc | there may be intarctions we don't understand with non-ionizing RF. the EU DECT studies with glioblastoma showed significant correlation with portable phone use | 01:22 |
| mrdata | as far as i am aware there is no causative link from RF to cancer; but for those with cancer, maybe outcomes are worse? | 01:25 |
| hyrc | these were epidemiological studies | 01:26 |
| frumious | "Overall use of a cellular phone was not associated with brain tumor risk;" | 01:26 |
| hyrc | there were enough significant findings | 01:27 |
| hyrc | DECT are not cellular btw | 01:27 |
| frumious | that paper included DECT. others focusing on DECT find similar | 01:30 |
| hyrc | if you're citing a paper feel free to link it | 01:31 |
| frumious | 5 minute google search and reading abstracts | 01:31 |
| hyrc | unfortunate google didn't yield the papers I found | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): SARSCoV2 isolates tend to have about 2 mutations per transmission cycle, with a serial interval of about 3-5 days, so that means naturally SARSCoV2 genomes accumulate about 1 mutation per 2 days in the host.journals.plos.org/plospathogens/… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475262653492707330 | 01:32 |
| LjL | it's trivial to find the paper being cited by putting "Overall use of a cellular phone was not associated with brain tumor risk" on google | 01:41 |
| LjL | on the other hand you said "EU DECT studies" but you didn't say which | 01:41 |
| LjL | just saying | 01:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): As #SARSCoV2 evolved to Omicron, transmission and immune escape reached new levels. Fortunately, 3 independent studies from top labs, including one in a well regarded in vivo model, all show reduced lung infectivity vs Delta @SystemsVirology @GuptaR_lab @hkumed [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1475262823001247745 | 01:42 |
| hyrc | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20483835/ | 01:47 |
| hyrc | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20483832/ | 01:47 |
| hyrc | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5376454/#B2 | 01:48 |
| hyrc | it's not really on-topic though | 01:48 |
| hyrc | quantifying cancer risk factors is notoriously difficult | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: QR check-ins and two-metre rule mandatory in NSW from today as COVID-19 hospitalisations rise → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpa17o/qr_checkins_and_twometre_rule_mandatory_in_nsw/ | 01:51 |
| hyrc | and we expose ourselves to risk all the time. it's part of life. | 01:52 |
| xx | well I expose myself to a little less risk by wearing a proper mask properly | 01:53 |
| hyrc | any 'if we can prevent even one death' rhetoric is imbecilic | 01:53 |
| hyrc | fine. | 01:53 |
| xx | I'm all for not preventing any deaths, except mine | 01:53 |
| hyrc | every individual makes risk tradeoffs based on his/her subjective valuation | 01:55 |
| hyrc | it's important to learn this lesson | 01:59 |
| hyrc | every decision and action necessarily incurs opportunity costs | 01:59 |
| hyrc | if you choose one option, you are exclusded from choosing some others. there are costs to any choice. | 02:00 |
| xx | when did this become ##philosophy? | 02:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): The danger zone is the first 2 days of therapy (or people who stop after 1 or 2 days of therapy) when virus is still replicating okay in MOV (if it weren't then you wouldn't see similar titers on day 3 between MOV and placebo) despite having 2.5-10 mutations. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475267051610542082 | 02:01 |
| xx | we're here for covid rants | 02:01 |
| hyrc | opportunity costs are a fact of life, and shutting down one option imposes costs | 02:01 |
| hyrc | for example cancer screenings were prevented by lockdown policies chosen by politicians and bureaucrats | 02:02 |
| hyrc | a significant number of lives have been shortened and ended by them | 02:02 |
| LjL | they would argue the opposite is the case | 02:03 |
| hyrc | now ask yourself; were those implications of lockdown mandates weighed-in during the decision making? | 02:03 |
| xx | probably | 02:03 |
| hyrc | they were not at all | 02:03 |
| xx | nobody at the top really cares about cancer patients | 02:03 |
| LjL | yes, in fact they always mentioned here that those measures were partly being taken to avoid hospitals from being overwhelmed so that "non-COVID" healthcare could take place | 02:03 |
| hyrc | this is the problem of the 'Seen and the unseen' | 02:03 |
| LjL | you can definitely argue both ways | 02:03 |
| hyrc | as the great economist Frederic Bastiat described | 02:03 |
| xx | hardly great | 02:04 |
| hyrc | the direct effects of the policy proposal are highlighted and praised, the indirect harms ignored | 02:04 |
| LjL | i'll say a couple of things | 02:05 |
| LjL | 1) it's interesting how you're entirely happy to rant offtopic even while shutting down my slightly passive-aggressive request to cite your "EU DECT studies" with one study that reaches no conclusion, a letter about said study, and another study that never mentions DECT | 02:06 |
| LjL | 2) it's interesting that you do this while ban evading | 02:07 |
| LjL | is there a reason i shouldn't just ban you again except for the fact that you'll probably ban evade again and it won't be any fun? | 02:07 |
| xx | you think those *!*@p*.dip0.t-ipconnect.de are the same person? | 02:08 |
| LjL | there are probably a lot of people from such hostnames so i'd say generally speaking, no | 02:09 |
| hyrc | https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/964174 Lockdown policies have led to Big Declines in Cancer Screenings, New Diagnoses | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Then you have 10x lower levels of functional viruses taking MOV than not taking MOV at day 2, but those viruses each have 5-10 times more mutations. Seems about a wash. Can we conclude MOV doesn't increase the potential to generate variants of concern [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475271326021537794 | 02:10 |
| hyrc | colonoscopies decreased the most — by 45%; however, diagnostic and screening procedures in the other three categories also experienced a big decline: Prostate biopsies dropped by 29%, cystoscopies for bladder cancer by 21%, and chest CT scans for lung cancers by 12%. | 02:11 |
| LjL | hyrc, you're intentionally modifying the title of the thing you're posting. you're acting dishonestly. i'll take that as my answer to the above | 02:11 |
| LjL | au prochain host | 02:12 |
| xx | interesting seeing a quiet on $a:brainstorm, but I guess +v are exempt | 02:13 |
| LjL | yes | 02:14 |
| LjL | sometimes Brainstorm may need to stfu, such as when he links to studies about 5G making COVID worse | 02:15 |
| LjL | you see | 02:15 |
| LjL | if only i weren't banned from r/COVID19 i may voice my unhappiness with such a post | 02:15 |
| xx | heh | 02:16 |
| xx | 5G does make it more likely you're gonna catch corona though - because it lets you go out and still have nice internet, instead of having to stay at home to enjoy nice internet | 02:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Recall people are producing viruses with 1-2 mutations per transmission event and we're not getting immunoevasion all the time. That's because the immune response is polyclonal: multiple antibody species are produced that target multiple locations on spike. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475272817436364803 | 02:19 |
| LjL | xx, i'm going to make a very low-effort guess without reading the study or anything: it is specifically about mmWave in the US (5G here isn't any particularly fancy frequencies, it can sit together with 4G), and mmWave is only deployable and meaningful in dense urban areas, as the range is too short for anything else, and that's where you need the insane bandwidth. dense urban areas are probably more likely to have bigger covid spikes in the first place, just due | 02:20 |
| LjL | to the density. | 02:20 |
| frumious | are you sure you didn't peek? | 02:21 |
| xx | honestly, I guess I should have read that link, just for consistency, but I actually just dismissed the 5G claims outright instead | 02:21 |
| xx | I've read enough bullshit about it that if someone actually came up with legitimate proof, it would get lost in the noise | 02:22 |
| LjL | frumious, positive. i looked at the things hyrc linked and after that i had no particular interest in peeking any further | 02:22 |
| xx | just like there probably is a penis-enlargement pill out there, but the company simply can't manage to market it because it gets shut down for spam every time | 02:22 |
| frumious | I just mean your guess was close on target | 02:23 |
| Jigsy | [01:22:23] <xx> just like there probably is a penis-enlargement pill out there | 02:23 |
| LjL | frumious, well the mmWave part was in the title, and i know what mmWave is because i recently bought a 5G phone ;( | 02:23 |
| Jigsy | There is. It's called viagra. | 02:23 |
| Jigsy | Though it depends on your definition of "enlarging." | 02:23 |
| LjL | Jigsy, i took that as "... a non-temporary penis enlargement pill" | 02:24 |
| xx | viagra helps with covid too, apparently | 02:24 |
| LjL | anyway about the first study hyrc linked, it's funny because peeking in the abstract makes it immediately obvious the study itself doesn't trust itself | 02:24 |
| LjL | "In the 10th decile of recalled cumulative call time, > or =1640 h, the OR was 1.40 (95% CI 1.03-1.89) for glioma, and 1.15 (95% CI 0.81-1.62) for meningioma; but there are implausible values of reported use in this group." and "There were suggestions of an increased risk of glioma at the highest exposure levels, but biases and error prevent a causal interpretation." | 02:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +9135 cases (now 7.0 million) since 12 hours ago | 02:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Viable mutated viruses that exist early in MOV treatment, or in patients who skip a dose or discontinue treatment, may then become new variants of concern. The arguments for why this is unlikely to happen are not satisfactory enough. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475279318267793408 | 02:38 |
| xx | sometimes I feel like Brainstorm only reports tweets from that guy | 02:39 |
| xx | that guy should do some science instead of sitting on twitter all day | 02:39 |
| dTal | with a name like that he could start a tyre company | 02:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Why is this important?It potentially adds to the immunity wall built from vaccinations, boosters and prior infections. That the itself may be less pathogenic. → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1475280480371032068 | 02:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Supreme Court throws out National Opera vaccination complaint → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rpbgjl/supreme_court_throws_out_national_opera/ | 02:57 |
| xx | dTal: heh I just spotted that | 03:05 |
| xx | wonder if the parents were being funny | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Commentary: Omicron may be the final variant of concern → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpbivf/commentary_omicron_may_be_the_final_variant_of/ | 03:06 |
| xx | final? We already have some new VoI, no? | 03:07 |
| xx | some of which will turn into VoC | 03:07 |
| LjL | i don't know, it says "Scientists have been surprised at how the SARS-CoV-2 virus has behaved so far but viruses cannot improve indefinitely, says an immunology researcher." | 03:13 |
| LjL | and i kinda thought that was what evolution's all about | 03:13 |
| xx | lots of scientists don't understand (or don't even believe) evolution | 03:13 |
| LjL | what it actually says at the end of the article is "The virus cannot, however, improve indefinitely. The laws of biochemistry mean that the virus will eventually evolve a spike protein that binds to ACE2 as strongly as possible. By that point, the ability of SARS-CoV-2 to spread between people will not be limited by how well the virus can stick to the outside of cells." | 03:14 |
| LjL | ... so it will be limited by something else, which it will evolve for? | 03:15 |
| xx | which means it will continue improving in other aspects... indefinitely | 03:15 |
| frumious | (pseudo)life finds a way | 03:16 |
| xx | 'improving' = collecting mutations that favor larger/faster/whatever spread | 03:16 |
| LjL | to be fair it's true that evolution often "gets entrapped" in local minima (or maxima as you prefer) | 03:16 |
| LjL | but that's not the same as a claim that something cannot improve indefinitely | 03:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: US pauses distribution of Regeneron, Lilly antibodies over omicron concerns → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpbr4f/us_pauses_distribution_of_regeneron_lilly/ | 03:17 |
| LjL | "concerns" = they don't work | 03:17 |
| LjL | molnupiravir though... | 03:17 |
| xx | why don't we just equip everyone with flamethrowers and instruct them to point them at anyone closer than 10m? | 03:18 |
| xx | that should kill the virus | 03:18 |
| LjL | i assume that would include themselves, as you tend to be closer to yourself than 10m | 03:19 |
| LjL | and may harbor viriises | 03:19 |
| xx | well, you know the old adage | 03:19 |
| xx | Give man a fire, and you'll keep him warm for a night. Set man on fire, and you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life. | 03:20 |
| LjL | admittedly, i do know that one | 03:20 |
| xx | I was promised a future where we mount flamethrowers on our vehicles, where is it? | 03:20 |
| LjL | in America? | 03:21 |
| xx | everywhere | 03:21 |
| LjL | i mean i thought it was in America | 03:21 |
| xx | you're right, I've seen some trucks that had flamethrowers pointing upwards | 03:22 |
| LjL | that might tackle avian flu | 03:22 |
| xx | might tackle avian anything | 03:22 |
| xx | plus you might end up with literal cooked pidgeons landing directly in your mouth, so that's a plus | 03:23 |
| minthos | people should dress up as spiny sea urchins with 2m spikes, in honor of the spike proteins | 03:24 |
| LjL | i beg to diff-ew | 03:24 |
| minthos | that will also help against crowding indoors as most doors aren't 4m wide | 03:24 |
| xx | minthos: +1 | 03:24 |
| xx | I wish people would stay at least 2m away from me on the street anyway, irrelevant of any pandemic | 03:25 |
| minthos | air travel would solve itself | 03:25 |
| LjL | back when taking the metro was a thing for me, i'd sometimes thought of having spikes on my elbow for the ones that can't read the "Let passengers alight before boarding" sign | 03:25 |
| LjL | (i.e. all italians) | 03:25 |
| LjL | but that was the fantasy. the reality was that i'd say "sorry" | 03:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Hundreds in Australia mistakenly told coronavirus test result was negative when they were positive → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rpbypc/hundreds_in_australia_mistakenly_told_coronavirus/ | 03:26 |
| LjL | Hundreds! As opposed to the likely many more almost everywhere else ;( | 03:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Quebec gathering caps reduced, hospitals shut to visitors as province battles with explosive Omicron wave → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rpc2m1/quebec_gathering_caps_reduced_hospitals_shut_to/ | 03:36 |
| xx | LjL: just dress as a homeless guy, people usually give you space then | 03:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Covid-19: Pharmaceutical giants, Gates, Fauci, UK officials accused of crimes against humanity in International Criminal Court complaint - The Rio Times → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rpclgr/httpswwwriotimesonlinecombrazilnewsmoderndaycensor/ | 03:46 |
| LjL | what's going on with r/covid19 tonight | 03:53 |
| xx | same thing as every night | 03:54 |
| LjL | hm i think i recently changed the feed from the default to rising.rss, that must be why | 03:58 |
| LjL | although these are more like sinking than rising | 03:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Support for Japan PM up as voters welcome his COVID measures → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/support-for-japan-pm-up-as-voters-welcome-his-covid-measures-7691978/ | 04:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: For third day, COVID-19 crimps Americans’ holiday travels → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/for-third-day-covid-19-crimps-americans-holiday-travels-7691984/ | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for China: +199 cases (now 113943) since 8 hours ago — Netherlands: +318 cases (now 3.1 million) since 11 hours ago | 04:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 'This virus will ultimately become endemic': Scientists find key in alpha variant to fight omicron → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpde88/this_virus_will_ultimately_become_endemic/ | 04:42 |
| user27 | seem to be a whole new zombie of anti-vax'ers with Omicron | 04:51 |
| user27 | same tired arguments | 04:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ANOTHER RECORD: Nearly 50,000 new COVID cases in NY → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpdyv9/another_record_nearly_50000_new_covid_cases_in_ny/ | 05:11 |
| sdfgsdfg | hyrc ? oh he's gone | 05:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | maybe he wanted to cite this paper :D | 05:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25879308/ | 05:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: No sailors on a navy ship have needed hospitalization after Covid outbreak → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/no-sailors-on-a-navy-ship-have-needed-hospitalization-after-covid-outbreak-7692048/ | 05:20 |
| sdfgsdfg | interesting.. he is a specialist in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, multiple chemical sensitivity, and the effects of low-intensity microwave frequency electromagnetic fields (MWV-EMF) on the human body. | 05:21 |
| lastshell | how things going on ? | 05:25 |
| lastshell | https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/26/22848390/covid-vaccine-booster-shots-omicron-variant | 05:28 |
| sdfgsdfg | things aren't moving fast enough | 05:28 |
| lastshell | is like the calm before the storm or maybe there is no more storm :D | 05:29 |
| sdfgsdfg | "wont stop the variant" could mean so many things | 05:29 |
| sdfgsdfg | that article made me angry again | 05:29 |
| lastshell | I wonder how news.google filter articles | 05:29 |
| sdfgsdfg | it first checks if you have a history of searching alex jones and adds those to the list ? :P | 05:30 |
| lastshell | related to that https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-agency-pfizer-boosters-ability-to-prevent-symptomatic-covid-wanes-within-weeks/ | 05:30 |
| sdfgsdfg | "only 45% after 10 weeks" | 05:31 |
| sdfgsdfg | considering the length of covid waves, a city like london can spend more than a season under a big wave... | 05:32 |
| sdfgsdfg | 10 weeks is crap | 05:32 |
| lastshell | in sense is bad or doesn't matter ? | 05:34 |
| sdfgsdfg | I think it's good, if government can send special forces at homes and forcibly jab people every 10 weeks | 05:36 |
| lastshell | lol | 05:36 |
| lastshell | to be honest people are not happy that they need to get a vax every N months | 05:37 |
| lastshell | create a trust issue with the vaccine efficasy | 05:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | I think israel lost almost 10% of people with following doses.. or something similar | 05:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | every booster dose already costs a % of trust | 05:38 |
| lastshell | I'm vaxxed and boosterized, but is very common to see this memes https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/what-do-you-mean-you-dont-have-the-12th-booster-shot-scared-patient-covid-corona-virus.jpg | 05:40 |
| sdfgsdfg | we can probably keep up this game until dose #7, a few more can be done with the promise of a vaccine that will work on every variant | 05:41 |
| lastshell | I don't thing the govverment is very upfront about the situation with Covid and the vaccine | 05:41 |
| sdfgsdfg | show that it works on a few more mutations and you have yourself another great marketing campaign | 05:41 |
| lastshell | I was reading this article the other day https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/ | 05:42 |
| lastshell | a vaccine that covers many variants will be good | 05:42 |
| lastshell | I hope the virus mutate to a less killer version and we can go back to normal | 05:44 |
| mrdata | it is as likely to become more deadly | 05:47 |
| lastshell | why mrdata? | 05:52 |
| mrdata | why not? | 05:55 |
| mrdata | what is the evoutionary pressure to make it more or less deadly? | 05:57 |
| mrdata | with covid, it kills you well after you have finished passing it on to others | 05:58 |
| lastshell | spanish flu is less deadly ? | 05:58 |
| lastshell | in general virus want to spend more time with the host, not killed | 05:58 |
| mrdata | "want" isnt the right word there | 05:59 |
| mrdata | it has no wants | 05:59 |
| lastshell | but you know what I mean | 05:59 |
| mrdata | fitness for the virus lets it be communicated to more people | 06:00 |
| mrdata | sometimes a more deadly virus can burn itself out | 06:00 |
| mrdata | if, for example, it kills a whole village before it can get out to neighbours | 06:01 |
| mrdata | but this one takes a few weeks to kill, usually. which is plenty of time | 06:01 |
| lastshell | like ebola ? that kills faster ? | 06:01 |
| mrdata | an example evolutionary pressure that might matter, is human response. if it is very deadly we work hard to stamp it out | 06:02 |
| mrdata | if it is not so deadly, we dont work as hard | 06:02 |
| mrdata | but each mutation can affect that in any direction | 06:03 |
| LjL | i think you're already wrong when you say "in general, a virus" | 06:03 |
| LjL | there are viruses of all sorts that behave in all sorts of way | 06:04 |
| LjL | many of them have been around for a long time | 06:04 |
| LjL | clearly there's not just one winning strategy | 06:04 |
| lastshell | I wonder if the doctors know what makes asymptomatic vs symptomatic | 06:07 |
| lastshell | that will be a huge win | 06:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: I took N.J.’s free at-home COVID test. It might not be as easy as you think. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpexy1/i_took_njs_free_athome_covid_test_it_might_not_be/ | 06:07 |
| winningstrategy[ | The Winning Strategy To End The Corona Virus COVID Pandemic Is Fasting, Not Vaccine | 06:07 |
| winningstrategy[ | To know more, you can read my new book Fasting Like Jesus, Buddha To End The Corona Virus NCOVID Pandemic Event: https://illusioncyber.files.wordpress.com/2021/12/savior_winning_strategy_covid.pdf | 06:07 |
| winningstrategy[ | Source: https://illusioncyber.wordpress.com/2021/12/27/the-winning-strategy-to-end-the-corona-virus-covid-pandemic-is-fasting-not-vaccine/ | 06:07 |
| lastshell | oh boy ... | 06:08 |
| mrdata | there may be some mumble around demographics, ethnicity, age | 06:08 |
| mrdata | it isnt clear to me | 06:08 |
| mrdata | some blood types might have a rougher time | 06:08 |
| lastshell | which ones mrdata ? | 06:09 |
| mrdata | human immune system is complex | 06:09 |
| mrdata | lastshell, i have not been able to corroborate what i was told | 06:10 |
| mrdata | so it's rumor | 06:10 |
| lastshell | so is like the fasting like jesus rumor | 06:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | fasting does have an incredible boosting effect on immune system | 06:11 |
| sdfgsdfg | by the way | 06:11 |
| mrdata | a prophylactic or treatment? | 06:11 |
| lastshell | yeah I was just been sarcastic because some dude post a ebook | 06:11 |
| sdfgsdfg | maybe we should starve the ICU patients :P | 06:11 |
| lastshell | sadly fasting require also endurance | 06:12 |
| lastshell | and depends how often you exercise | 06:12 |
| lastshell | I recently not able todo to many fasting because I do exercise almost all day | 06:12 |
| lastshell | hunger is crazy | 06:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | if you can fast like buddha or jesus..... | 06:13 |
| lastshell | the more I fasting is 16 hrs | 06:13 |
| lastshell | Im 6 feet and 200 pounds | 06:13 |
| lastshell | I can't hold to much | 06:13 |
| sdfgsdfg | apparently buddha was 6 ft tall as well | 06:15 |
| sdfgsdfg | He was about six feet tall (S.I,62) and when young, before his renunciation, had long black hair and a beard (M.I,163). All sources agree that he was particularly good-looking. The brahman Sonadaõóa described him as ‘handsome, of fine appearance, pleasant to see, with a good complexion and a beautiful form and countenance’ (D.I,114). These natural good looks were further enhanced by his deep inner calm. | 06:15 |
| sdfgsdfg | Thank you for your email of 10 April 2021 with your concerns on the use of ethylene oxide to sterilise swabs used in testing for Covid-19. The sterilisation process consists of a number of highly controlled and monitored stages, including removing ethylene oxide after treating the swabs. The amount of residual EO that is allowed has been set (by the international standard ISO 10993-7:2008) according to contact time of the medical device with the | 06:23 |
| sdfgsdfg | person........In the highly unlikely event that a swab does contain a residual amount above the allowable limit, the risk to the user is still considered to be very low. | 06:23 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/freedom-of-information-responses-from-the-mhra-week-commencing-26-april-2021/freedom-of-information-request-on-use-of-ethylene-oxide-to-sterilise-swabs-used-in-testing-for-covid-19 | 06:24 |
| sdfgsdfg | .title | 06:24 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From www.gov.uk: Freedom of Information request on use of ethylene oxide to sterilise swabs used in testing for Covid-19 - GOV.UK | 06:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Evolution of enhanced innate immune evasion by SARS-CoV-2 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rpfnh2/evolution_of_enhanced_innate_immune_evasion_by/ | 06:26 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New York, United States: +82350 cases (now 3.2 million), +43 deaths (now 58980) since a day ago — Ohio, United States: +20917 cases (now 1.9 million) since a day ago — California, United States: +20794 cases (now 5.3 million), +13 deaths (now 76139) since a day ago — Bahia, Brazil: +4065 cases (now 1.3 million) since 23 hours ago | 06:29 |
| user27 | yep, same old tired arguments | 06:36 |
| sdfgsdfg | .cases uk | 06:36 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: United Kingdom has had 12.0 million confirmed cases (18.0% of all people) and 148324 deaths (1.2% of cases; 1 in 448 people) as of a day ago. 395.6 million tests were done (3.0% positive). 51.6 million were vaccinated (77.7%). +567 cases since 22 hours ago. See https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ | 06:36 |
| user27 | "people" blah blah | 06:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Immunogenicity and Safety Following a Homologous Booster Dose of a SARS-CoV-2 recombinant spike protein vaccine (NVX-CoV2373): A Phase 2 Randomized Placebo-Controlled Trial → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rpfrwf/immunogenicity_and_safety_following_a_homologous/ | 06:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron Is Pushing America Into Soft Lockdown → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpfxvu/omicron_is_pushing_america_into_soft_lockdown/ | 06:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: ‘Magic’ weight-loss pills and Covid cures: Dr. Oz under the microscope → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/magic-weight-loss-pills-and-covid-cures-dr-oz-under-the-microscope-7692183/ | 07:04 |
| Malvolio | how to cheer up and stay positive. | 07:16 |
| Malvolio | ok i am looking forward to the next thing and. it's gonna be wonderful and good and i will be happy. one must not let isolation and loneliness get to oneself. you can socialize. it's great. wonderful. so many good things. | 07:19 |
| Malvolio | U_U good night sweet drams this time for sure | 07:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Caledonia: +65 cases (now 12646) since 3 days ago | 07:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pathology clinic sends another 995 negative COVID-19 results in error, Sydney, Australia → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rpgf2b/pathology_clinic_sends_another_995_negative/ | 07:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Travel chaos spills into new week → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rpgshv/covid_travel_chaos_spills_into_new_week/ | 07:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Australia records first Omicron death, authorities stick to reopening plan → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/australia-records-first-omicron-death-authorities-stick-to-reopening-plan-7692242/ | 08:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China’s Covid-19 surge continues with 150 new cases in Xian epicentre → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rphmlr/chinas_covid19_surge_continues_with_150_new_cases/ | 08:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | December 27, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpicfm/daily_discussion_thread_december_27_2021/ | 09:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Maharashtra, India: +1648 cases (now 6.7 million), +17 deaths (now 141433) since 23 hours ago — Delhi, India: +290 cases (now 1.4 million), +1 deaths (now 25105) since 23 hours ago — Haryana, India: +92 cases (now 772633) since 23 hours ago — Rajasthan, India: +62 cases (now 955480) since 23 hours ago | 09:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Food & Wine: Suresh Raina enjoys the ‘season of sarson ka saag’; here’s a recipe you can try → https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/food-wine/suresh-raina-sarson-ka-saag-winter-food-recipe-chef-sanjeev-kapoor-7676177/ | 09:44 |
| sdfgsdfg | ^ lol | 09:52 |
| sdfgsdfg | suresh raina's chicken tiqqa masala | 09:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Singapore must expect new wave of Covid-19 cases in coming days due to Omicron: Lawrence Wong → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpjc8d/singapore_must_expect_new_wave_of_covid19_cases/ | 10:22 |
| sdfgsdfg | "the risk following COVID-19 vaccination was largely restricted to younger males aged less than 40 years, where the risks of myocarditis following vaccination and infection were similar. However, the notable exception was that in younger males receiving a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine, the risk of myocarditis was higher following vaccination than infection, with an additional 101 events estimated following a second dose of mRNA-1273 vaccine | 10:25 |
| sdfgsdfg | compared to 7 events following a positive SARS-CoV-2 test" | 10:25 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1 | 10:26 |
| sdfgsdfg | .title | 10:26 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From www.medrxiv.org: Risk of myocarditis following sequential COVID-19 vaccinations by age and sex | medRxiv | 10:26 |
| sdfgsdfg | here we go | 10:26 |
| sdfgsdfg | CI: Infection: 2.02 (1.13 - 3.61) --- Dose 1: 1.66 (1.14 - 3.41) --- Dose 2: 3.41 (2.44 - 4.78) --- Dose 3: 7.60 (1.92 - 30.15) | 10:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: China’s local Covid-19 cases edge higher as Xian remains in lockdown → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/china-covid-omicron-lockdown-7692535/ | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Record 100,000 Covid infections registered in France in 24 hours → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rpjx4r/record_100000_covid_infections_registered_in/ | 11:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Tsitsipas respects Djokovic’s privacy over Covid vaccination ahead of Australian Open → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rpkeru/tsitsipas_respects_djokovics_privacy_over_covid/ | 11:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Le storie dei No vax in rianimazione: «Hanno paura che li vacciniamo mentre dormono» - Open → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA/comments/rpkjtz/le_storie_dei_no_vax_in_rianimazione_hanno_paura/ | 11:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: In under-vaccinated Congo, fourth Covid wave floods hospitals → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rpkpuh/in_undervaccinated_congo_fourth_covid_wave_floods/ | 11:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid-hit Xi'an tightens measures as China sees 21-month case record → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpkr7a/covidhit_xian_tightens_measures_as_china_sees/ | 11:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Libya: +881 cases (now 386279), +14 deaths (now 5665), +5797 tests (now 2.0 million) since a day ago — Nepal: +251 cases (now 827522), +1 deaths (now 11586), +9157 tests (now 4.8 million) since a day ago | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Record 100,000 Covid infections registered in France in 24 hours → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpkw7a/record_100000_covid_infections_registered_in/ | 12:06 |
| sdfgsdfg | "The Sheba Medical Centre study in Ramat Gan outside Tel Aviv “will zero in on efficacy of the vaccine in producing antibodies, and safety, in order to ascertain if a fourth vaccine is needed in general”, a spokesman said." | 12:08 |
| sdfgsdfg | lol, fourth dose and the following research on efficacy begins | 12:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | on large scale ? | 12:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | "Some 63% of Israel’s 9.4 million population have received the first two vaccine doses, according to ministry data. Almost 45% have also received a third dose, or booster shot. " | 12:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: SARS-CoV-2 infects the human kidney and drives fibrosis in kidney organoids → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rpl8tg/sarscov2_infects_the_human_kidney_and_drives/ | 12:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +10007 cases (now 7.0 million) since 22 hours ago | 12:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Steve Miller (@SteveMillerOC): South Africa’s first wave after vaccinating ~60% of the most at risk age group has peak daily deaths ~70% lower than their fist wave and 87% lower than Delta.(which means total deaths declined by more than that)It’s not just the vaccination. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1475429832070602754 | 12:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from BioNTech: BioNTech to Present at the 40th Annual J.P. Morgan Healthcare Conference: MAINZ, Germany, December 27, 2021 — BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX, “BioNTech” or “the Company”) announced today that CEO and Co-founder Ugur Sahin, [... want %more?] → https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-present-40th-annual-jp-morgan-healthcare-conference | 12:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Delta Air Lines’ flight to Shanghai turned back because of COVID-19 rules → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpm6jk/delta_air_lines_flight_to_shanghai_turned_back/ | 13:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Fiji: +208 cases (now 53023), +856 tests (now 470510) since 3 days ago — Bangladesh: +373 cases (now 1.6 million), +1 deaths (now 28061), +17271 tests (now 11.4 million) since 23 hours ago — Macau: +1 cases (now 78), +49 tests (now 5068) since 21 days ago | 13:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Israel tests 4th Covid vaccine dose, awaits ministry green light → https://indianexpress.com/article/world/israel-4th-covid-vaccine-dose-7692904/ | 13:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): Sky News understands there are no plans for the prime minister to make an announcement today on tightening restrictions following a COVID data briefing. twitter.com/skynews/status… → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1475445516188196865 | 14:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Qatar: +343 cases (now 248435), +1 deaths (now 616), +5527 tests (now 3.1 million) since 19 hours ago — Gibraltar: +72 cases (now 8220), +571 tests (now 444210) since 23 hours ago | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: Weekly Scientific Discussion Thread - December 27, 2021: This weekly thread is for scientific discussion pertaining to COVID-19. Please post questions about the science of this virus and disease here to collect them for others and clear up post space for [... want %more?] → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rpn1dz/weekly_scientific_discussion_thread_december_27/ | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Taiwan changes COVID-19 testing rules for travelers, migrant workers → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpn8j5/taiwan_changes_covid19_testing_rules_for/ | 14:30 |
| sdfgsdfg | astrocytes | 14:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +10084 cases (now 7.0 million) since 22 hours ago | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): Note "Suggested interventions""Continue to strongly recommend COVID-19 vaccination for children age 5 and up and boosters for those eligible"Why is @Folkehelseinst not recommending vaccines, approved by EMA, for kids? Science supports this as safe & [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/1475456921540911107 | 14:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Denmark: +15525 cases (now 715133), +7 deaths (now 3217), +299779 tests (now 105.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Iceland: +2253 cases (now 24340), +14408 tests (now 1.3 million) since 4 days ago — Saudi Arabia: +524 cases (now 553319), +1 deaths (now 8872), +75682 tests (now 32.9 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron Cases Pass U.S. Peak Seen With Delta, But With Fewer Hospitalizations → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpntx6/omicron_cases_pass_us_peak_seen_with_delta_but/ | 15:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: No new Covid rules to be announced in England on Monday: The PM is being briefed on the latest Covid data soon, after two days without published figures. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59803879 | 15:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Our covid times :-( pic.twitter.com/Mh1puoIlse → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1475479717109108739 | 15:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): Age-adjusted rates of Covid associated hospitalizations by vaccine status. Adults over age 18. Data from Jan-Nov 2021 h/t @WHCOS pic.twitter.com/lPQ2PVV4Da → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1475485880043417605 | 16:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (@VirusesImmunity): In #longCOVID patients, “exercise capacity was primarily limited by impaired systemic EO2 of such severity that what should have been an adequate increase in DO2 was insufficient to allow for an increase in VO2.” Via @YalePCCSM [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1475490231990292487 | 16:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Jon Favreau (@jonfavs): As a parent who’s been extra worried about our unvaccinated 1-year-old since the arrival of Omicron, I found this @ProfEmilyOster analysis of the data very helpful: emilyoster.substack.com/p/covid-risks-… → https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1475491287537106944 | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: The omicron (B.1.1.529) SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern does not readily infect Syrian hamsters → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rpqhcc/the_omicron_b11529_sarscov2_variant_of_concern/ | 17:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Every week @UKHSA publishes an extensive report on variants, transmission, vaccine effectiveness, and more.assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/upl… As do many other countries. Here is the @CDCgov report full content pic.twitter.com/W7ev3Gzy3x → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1475499992529846274 | 17:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +35970 cases (now 1.3 million) since 3 days ago — Netherlands: +11437 cases (now 3.1 million), +12 deaths (now 21193) since 17 hours ago | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Prof. Shane Crotty (@profshanecrotty): Our conventional understanding of GCs is that they are islands. The GC B cells are confined to an individual GC, and they evolve in isolation. → https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1475508024777195521 | 17:50 |
| xx | syrian hamsters? | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson will impose no further Covid restrictions before new year → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rprm5j/boris_johnson_will_impose_no_further_covid/ | 18:09 |
| lastshell | how many vaxx until covid ends ? | 18:12 |
| xx | vaxx won't end rona, hygiene will | 18:13 |
| lastshell | I thing we need to just get the rona | 18:13 |
| xx | and people will only start observing proper hygiene and protection once there is a variant that actually kills a worrying number of people | 18:14 |
| lastshell | and wish for the best | 18:14 |
| xx | like, if covid actually killed 20% of infected across the board, you bet they'd stay at home and use masks outside properly | 18:14 |
| xx | instead they now view omicron as a minor case of sniffles | 18:15 |
| lastshell | I hope some smart guy/gal find what is the trick from symptomatic vs asymptomatic | 18:16 |
| lastshell | that will be key to end this nonsense | 18:16 |
| lastshell | is there any science that can explain that ? why some people are asymptomatic ? | 18:17 |
| lastshell | "Findings In this systematic review and meta-analysis of 95 unique studies with 29 776 306 individuals undergoing testing, the pooled percentage of asymptomatic infections was 0.25% among the tested population and 40.50% among the population with confirmed COVID-19." | 18:19 |
| lastshell | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2787098 | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Now a 4th study, also in the Syrian hamster model, shows markedly diminished Omicron replication, infectivity, and pathology in the lungs compared with the D614G strain @KU_Leuven biorxiv.org/content/10.110… twitter.com/EricTopol/stat… pic.twitter.com/un66c5poUv → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1475513391938564099 | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): ICYMI, on 12/23, the last news day before a long holiday break, FDA approved the viral mutagen molnupiravir as an at-home COVID19 drug. It sounds worrisome because it is. I wrote in the @washingtonpost that immunoevasive variants could arise from its [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475518939413184518 | 18:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greece: +9284 cases (now 1.1 million), +67 deaths (now 20496), +95147 tests (now 45.3 million) since a day ago — Italy: +30799 cases (now 5.7 million), +142 deaths (now 136753), +343968 tests (now 135.7 million) since a day ago | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Potential implications of lipid nanoparticles in the pathogenesis of myocarditis associated with the use of mRNA vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rpsjfr/potential_implications_of_lipid_nanoparticles_in/ | 18:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Well FDA has now made a decision, and distressingly, it was the wrong one, to grant EUA to molnupiravir. There is now news to cover. The most shocking thing about the EUA is that FDA explicitly recognizes that antibody-evading mutants could arise, and [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475525441314250758 | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +251063 cases (now 12.2 million) since 2 days ago — Montenegro: +581 cases (now 163954), +1 deaths (now 2395), +2532 tests (now 957504) since a day ago — Cuba: +128 cases (now 964857), +1 deaths (now 8321), +56141 tests (now 11.6 million) since a day ago | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Despite encouraging lab and animal studies on Omicron's potential reduced pathogenicity, there's still plenty to worry about, especially in the US—70 million people unvaccinated, including children—the immunocompromised (>3%), even w/ 3-doses—the unknowns [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1475526967654957056 | 19:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | When looking at FFP2 masks I saw some that claim they have 3 layers, some 4 (not many), some 5. It's not always stated what the layers are, but anyway if I try to google it I find... many such masks but no explanation of what the layers are supposed to be. Any clue? Just marketing? | 19:09 |
| xx | marketing | 19:10 |
| xx | as long as they are certified, it's fine | 19:10 |
| xx | though about 2 years ago I said screw it and have worn a proper mask with replaceable filters instead | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Theo Sanderson (@theosanderson): Omicron supreme ~everywhere pic.twitter.com/bVL0Cahikd → https://twitter.com/theosanderson/status/1475529328465166340 | 19:16 |
| xx | I'd almost pity the people who refuse to wear proper masks "because they look ugly" | 19:17 |
| xx | financially, a proper mask with replaceable filters beats every other solution | 19:17 |
| xx | but again, people probably just wear the same one respirator since the start of the pandemic... | 19:17 |
| Tuvix | That's what I ended up being gifted (a replacable filter mask.) ≥98% filtration down to 0.1 micron, which is slightly smaller than SARS-CoV2 virus at about 0.15 microns. | 19:18 |
| LjL-Matrix | xx: to be fair there are FFP2 certified masks that are very different (as in clearly much better or worse) than others, so I wouldn't say just being certified is fine... | 19:19 |
| Tuvix | Nice TPU shell and filters you can buy in single-use packaging (well, 2 filters each pack) and you just replace based on your mask usage rate. | 19:19 |
| xx | LjL-Matrix: achieving ffp2 is easy, it's just that some of those masks are almost ffp3 | 19:20 |
| xx | that's how ffp2 masks differ between each other | 19:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | A 3M Aura tries to pry my eyes open when I put it up, but it has very clearly better seals and also better hydrophobic material inside than random KN95 masks (only I can't use Aura for my parents because blah blah straps behind the head and too claustrophobic) | 19:20 |
| xx | I've even been told before that all manufacturers aim for ffp3 material, and do batch testing, and based on results label it as ffp3 if it's good or ffp2 if it's not good enough | 19:21 |
| LjL-Matrix | xx: yeah but for example if some of the internal layers are properly hydrophobic I think it does make a difference because, well especially when there's almost 100% humidity like now, they can get *very* humid inside and an Aura will just have drops "sliding" inside without getting wet, other ones will get wet | 19:22 |
| xx | that's why valved masks are better | 19:22 |
| LjL-Matrix | xx: that does seem like and I've never really aimed for FFP3 in particular just because other things like fit and, like, not having HOLES in it due to impression printing (does happen!) would be way more important | 19:23 |
| LjL-Matrix | xx: I know but I'm buying more FFP2 masks now because they're making them compulsory on public transport and in schools, so they'll quickly be sold out I think, but the mandate is for valveless masks, it's generally *very* frowned upon here to use valved ones and they may not let you into various places. I know it's stupid... | 19:24 |
| Tuvix | Ah, apparently the TPU & replacable filter mask I have does ship to "some international countries using DHL Express Worldwide" if you wanted something with a sealing, filter replacable option: https://breathe99.com/products/b2-mask | 19:25 |
| xx | what I do is have a valved mask, and then put a surgical mask over the valve | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: AnGes: AG0302-COVID19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/31/ | 19:26 |
| Tuvix | It's got no formal US ratings, but aims to meet, and actually well exceed based on the local state university independent testing, the NIOSH requirements on particule capture. | 19:26 |
| xx | I've seen people write 'ffp2' using a black marker on masks in order to comply with mandates... | 19:27 |
| xx | I expect that to be very common | 19:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Israel: +2717 cases (now 1.4 million) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +10136 cases (now 2.0 million), +4 deaths (now 30207) since 21 hours ago | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Second, this is not just a scientific issue. In fact, as a drug to treat a pandemic with a risk of making it worse, it is primarily *not* a scientific issue. We don't have lab scientists (PhDs, generally) making decisions about whether and when to [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475535093913378817 | 19:35 |
| Juerd | 19:21 < xx> I've even been told before that all manufacturers aim for ffp3 material, and do batch testing, | 19:37 |
| Juerd | xx: I don't know about all manufacturers, but I do know about 3M Auras. The FFP3 ones are heavier. | 19:37 |
| xx | I'm talking about the first stage of making the material, even before it has all the imprints on it | 19:38 |
| Juerd | I don't think they are made heavier after batch testing, so they probably do have different ways of making them :) | 19:38 |
| * Juerd cuts one open to see if it has more layers | 19:38 | |
| xx | I should have kept some old ones, instead of incinerating them | 19:39 |
| Juerd | I keep old ones for occasions like this :) | 19:41 |
| xx | I avoid the old ones like they're infected with ebola | 19:43 |
| Juerd | Why? | 19:44 |
| Juerd | Anyway, the ffp3 one seems to have 2 thicker meltblown layers, and the ffp2 one seems to have 4 thinner meltblown layers | 19:44 |
| Juerd | (Samples taken from 9322+ and 9332+, which are ffp2 and ffp3 respectively, both valved) | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The 3rd vaccine shot (booster) substantially helps protect against Omicron symptomatic infections (VE ~70-75%). A mechanism for this may be related to the breadth of memory B-cell response, not seen from a 2-dose vaccinationbiorxiv.org/content/10.110… pic.twitter.com/OeiYSYA2jH → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1475537714086694919 | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: France further tightens COVID measures, but no curfew for New Year's Eve → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpuduu/france_further_tightens_covid_measures_but_no/ | 20:13 |
| hirogen | starting to think vaccines leave behind some strange side effects | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cyprus: +1925 cases (now 152685), +2 deaths (now 630) since 23 hours ago | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: No further restrictions in England before New Year, Sajid Javid confirms → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpusjz/no_further_restrictions_in_england_before_new/ | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Merck's first human data release (data, not top-line news) occurred in the FDA docs on 11/29, which were followed by the AMDAC meeting the next day. Not only was that right after Thanksgiving, it was also when Omicron first arose and everyone was busy [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475551202100191232 | 20:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Throughout the pandemic, Puerto Rico prevented outbreaks better than any US state. Then came Omicron. pic.twitter.com/D8FpIsWR3W → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1475553251374231552 | 20:51 |
| LjL-Matrix | Juerd: 3M Auras are basically a completely different beast from the random KN95 one finds | 20:57 |
| Juerd | Yes. KN95 isn't regulated anyway. It is legal and common for manufacturers to put that designation on the mask without independent certification. | 20:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Thus we just witnessed a rushed stealth EUA: Merck released what little data they had days after Omicron, FDA made a decision within a month while the press was busy dealing with Omicron, and FDA released the EUA the day before the most important [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475555906989346816 | 21:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Turkey: +24129 cases (now 9.3 million), +157 deaths (now 81733), +362535 tests (now 117.2 million) since 20 hours ago | 21:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Dec 27, 2021: COVID-19 and poor pregnancy outcomes Two Listeria outbreaks Vaccine-derived polio in Africa → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/12/news-scan-dec-27-2021 | 21:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): Another fantastically informative thread from @ChrisCEOHopson on how the NHS is currently coping with COVID-19 and other pressures. twitter.com/chrisceohopson… → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1475557876328509448 | 21:20 |
| LjL | Juerd, in Europe KN95s must be re-certified as FFP2 but there have been all sorts of scams or near-scams anyway | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +30383 cases (now 9.3 million), +256 deaths (now 123883) since 23 hours ago — Djibouti: +21 cases (now 13593), +307 tests (now 257259) since a day ago | 21:33 |
| LjL | and i find it suspicious there's like 40 qualified lab (just guessing a number, but i have the list) but 99% of masks are certified by 3-4 of them | 21:33 |
| Juerd | 2163 is highly suspect in my opinion | 21:34 |
| Juerd | https://old.reddit.com/r/Masks4All/comments/rp0kwx/ce_2163_appears_to_have_lost_its_accreditation/ | 21:34 |
| Arsanerit | is 2163 that the estimated year for when the pandemic is over ? ;) | 21:35 |
| Juerd | Arsanerit: Ouch | 21:35 |
| Tuvix | I'd happily settle for significantly reduced impact, yet despite very effective vaccines, most locations are just not at a high enough adoption rate to make enough of a dent to slow this down to managable levels. | 21:37 |
| Arsanerit | + improved hospital capacity and therapy + a cure for long covid | 21:38 |
| Tuvix | Well, right, that's all part of managing it. We could just say tripple hospital & outpatient worldwide, but that's not really a near-term fix, and also sounds crazy expensive. | 21:39 |
| xx | Tuvix: I'm not convinced vaccines slow the spread | 21:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Puerto Rico went from <3/100,000 to >160/100,000, a >50X, in less than 2 weeks (these are 7-day averages)Even if only a small % get very sick......28% of residents are unvaccinated (and that's lower than 45 US states) Respect Omicron's potential for harm. → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1475565292516360193 | 21:39 |
| xx | in fact, they might accelerate it, because vaccinated people don't need to show recent tests to go to places | 21:39 |
| Tuvix | xx: Spread isn't part of managing it necessarily. The common cold spreads a lot, but doesn't typically require hospitalizations to manage as an obvious counter-point. Spread isn't bad necessarily, _if_ it's at managable levels, which is what our point was. | 21:40 |
| Tuvix | Hospitals that are full and reducing quality of care across the board? That's not even close to managing. | 21:40 |
| xx | well I know how to fix the hospital problem too, but nobody listens to me | 21:40 |
| Arsanerit | xx: how? | 21:40 |
| xx | don't admit unvaccinated people | 21:40 |
| Tuvix | That's flat out not legal in my country, and many others. | 21:41 |
| Arsanerit | who has the burden of proof in your proposal? | 21:41 |
| Arsanerit | What if I'm vaccinated but I don't have my certificate on me? | 21:41 |
| xx | don't really care, the antivax people will not bother faking it | 21:41 |
| Arsanerit | There are plenty of fakes. | 21:41 |
| Arsanerit | In Germany there is a lucrative trade in fake vaccination certificates. | 21:41 |
| xx | plenty, yes, enough to make it a problem for hospitals? no | 21:41 |
| Arsanerit | But my question was, if I don't have my vaccination certificate on me and I get a traffic accident, do I get admitted into your hospital? | 21:42 |
| xx | we're talking about tens of thousands of fakes, compared to tens of millions of actually unvaccinated | 21:42 |
| xx | Arsanerit: I meant don't admit people suffering from covid into hospitals | 21:42 |
| xx | if they are unvaccinated | 21:42 |
| Arsanerit | That is a different statement. | 21:42 |
| Arsanerit | Good that nobody listens to you. | 21:43 |
| xx | would save a lot of work for hospitals, and finally give a small bit of rest to the staff | 21:43 |
| xx | save a lot of money too | 21:43 |
| Spec_ | is that like refusing treatment to people in traffic accidents that don't wear seatbelts? | 21:43 |
| xx | meh, sure, why not | 21:44 |
| Tuvix | Once again you have rather non sequitur comments that are both impractical and lack basic understanding of how systems (like hospitals) function in the real world. | 21:44 |
| Arsanerit | It would save even more money to treat nobody at all. | 21:44 |
| Spec_ | ^ | 21:44 |
| xx | Arsanerit: finally we agree on something | 21:44 |
| Spec_ | the numbers would look good | 21:44 |
| xx | Tuvix: maybe how they work is not how they should work | 21:44 |
| xx | I don't believe everyone should have access to healthcare | 21:45 |
| lastshell | xx why ? | 21:45 |
| xx | because healthcare prolongs people's lives | 21:45 |
| Tuvix | Then go run for political office or on the board of a major hotpital system and be the change you want to see. Hell, an 8-year medical education might actually help reshape some of your frankly nonsense opinions. | 21:45 |
| lastshell | I guess that is a good thing unless you are not pro-life | 21:45 |
| xx | Tuvix: I actually have a year of med school behind me, long ago though | 21:46 |
| xx | couldn't take the nonsense | 21:46 |
| Spec_ | lol | 21:46 |
| Arsanerit | Did they kick you out because you didn't want to take the hippocratic oath? | 21:46 |
| xx | yeah, something like that | 21:46 |
| xx | effective I said I do not wish to treat some patients, and they said "well tough shit, that's the job" | 21:46 |
| Arsanerit | it is | 21:46 |
| xx | it shouldn't be | 21:47 |
| Arsanerit | when an attempted suicide bomber has survived but injured 10 people including himself, and he is the worst hit, he gets first treatment | 21:47 |
| xx | healthcare workers shouldn't be treated as subhumans who have no right to choose | 21:47 |
| xx | they are not slaves | 21:47 |
| Tuvix | Triage is a real thing. It just doesn't work like how you seem to think it "should." | 21:47 |
| xx | and I honestly find it disgusting how people treat healthcare workers | 21:47 |
| xx | I couldn't take it | 21:48 |
| xx | lastshell: I'm pro-death | 21:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): Essentially I've analyzed each of them and found all lacking some essential understanding, e.g. on drug biodistribution, the lack of viral suppression early in treatment, the unprecedented use of a mutagen on a highly contagious disease, that rare [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475566420628951044 | 21:49 |
| xx | i.e. don't prolong people's lives | 21:49 |
| ecks | weird choice to pick medical school | 21:50 |
| xx | well I quit/was kicked out | 21:50 |
| Arsanerit | Maybe xx wanted to invent a virus that wipes out all of humanity. | 21:50 |
| Arsanerit | Not sure if med school would be the best career path for that. | 21:51 |
| xx | what would? (not a serious question) | 21:51 |
| Arsanerit | Biotechnology? | 21:51 |
| Arsanerit | I think you'd need a multidisciplinary team. | 21:51 |
| Arsanerit | And probably a virologist will tell you this is not possible except in science fiction. | 21:51 |
| minthos | I wouldn't mind if omicron got a bit more deadly, to clear out some stupidity | 21:52 |
| xx | anyway, if you tell me that people's feelings of entitlement and expectations are warranted that a doctor should do everything possible to save their life, even at the expense of the doctors own well being, without the person actually doing anything towards their own health, then... | 21:52 |
| minthos | science progresses one funeral at a time | 21:52 |
| Arsanerit | I wouldn't mind if omicron became very mild, to make the stupidity not so harmful to society. | 21:52 |
| Arsanerit | The doctor's own well-being is not harmed by the patient but by their employment conditions. | 21:53 |
| ecks | there is a slight difference between "doing everything possible at the expense of the doctor's own well-being" and "pro-death" | 21:53 |
| xx | I just can't take this prevalent view of "Doctor, you are my slave, I demand you fix my bad decisions in life" | 21:53 |
| simpleton | everyone I know has covid | 21:53 |
| ecks | or rather, there is a spectrum | 21:53 |
| Arsanerit | With enough staff, the doctor and nurses can do 8 hour shifts and don't need to become totally overworked. | 21:53 |
| Arsanerit | simpleton: where are you located? | 21:53 |
| simpleton | Toronto Ontario area | 21:53 |
| xx | and sadly schools are trying to churn out slaves like that | 21:53 |
| Arsanerit | simpleton: how many people do you know? | 21:53 |
| simpleton | about 30 | 21:54 |
| Arsanerit | and all have covid? impressive. Do you? | 21:54 |
| xx | Arsanerit: how do you not even consider the fact that even in an 8 hour shift, having 10 non-vaccinated patients die on you will take a mental toll? | 21:54 |
| simpleton | I am pretty sure i did but due to high demand for testing I wasn't able to get a test for 7 days and I felt fully recovered after day 5(yesterday) | 21:54 |
| xx | compared to those people dying at home, away from the doctors mind | 21:55 |
| Arsanerit | xx: it will take a mental toll | 21:55 |
| xx | like seriously, nobody even thinks about the doctors anymore | 21:55 |
| Arsanerit | xx: but then saving other people's lives (vaccinated or not) probably gives them some motivation again? | 21:55 |
| Arsanerit | xx: I don't think many doctors agree with you, so not sure if your appeal to the doctor's interests will work for your argument. | 21:56 |
| Tuvix | You clearly listen to a lot different sources of news and pandemic information than I do; the impact on healthcare staff including for proposed policy changes impacting my areas is a common point of discussion. I guess this must be a bunch of "nobodies" talking about it, then? | 21:56 |
| xx | some doctors actually agree with me, though usually only after a great many drinks, away from other doctors who could hear them | 21:56 |
| Arsanerit | I also hear quite a lot about doctors and nurses in the media, not quite as much about other healthcare workers. | 21:56 |
| Arsanerit | People are not reliable after many drinks. | 21:57 |
| simpleton | thats why i stick to pot | 21:57 |
| simpleton | drinking impairs too much | 21:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Unvaccinated father-of-seven, 50, dies of Covid after he 'didn't get round to having jab' - spurring wife, 45, who 'didn't believe in vaccine' to book her first dose → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rpwq5x/unvaccinated_fatherofseven_50_dies_of_covid_after/ | 21:58 |
| simpleton | I lost an uncle to covid already | 21:59 |
| simpleton | he was into natrriopathic medicine and said the vaccines were experimental and dangerous | 21:59 |
| simpleton | and now he's dead | 21:59 |
| simpleton | modern medicine in general is experimental, but it's better than relying on things we have lifetime health history until death from a large sample of people | 22:00 |
| simpleton | like if everything took 90 years to get approved we would be far worse off than we are now | 22:01 |
| simpleton | I am alive because of clinical trials I was dying | 22:02 |
| xx | that's the issue for some antivax people, things used to take "90 years" to approve, but suddenly a year is enough? | 22:02 |
| simpleton | but they are the ones mostly dying | 22:03 |
| xx | indeed | 22:03 |
| minthos | that's another issue, the cost in lives of making approval costly and slow vs. the harm of approving drugs that shouldn't be | 22:03 |
| simpleton | my family has a history of long lives that wouldn't have happened without clinical trials for things that are now approved treatments | 22:04 |
| minthos | I think the pr cost of wrongful approvals is disproportionately high compared to the benefit of more and cheaper drugs/treatments, similar to the outrageous pr cost of nuclear power | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Price tag to vaccinate the world: $7 billion. And the U.S. is already coming up short. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rpww4j/price_tag_to_vaccinate_the_world_7_billion_and/ | 22:08 |
| minthos | we happily destroy ecosystems and people's lungs with coal and oil, but one nuclear reactor meltdown and suddenly nuclear is the devil | 22:09 |
| simpleton | nuclear meltdowns are caused by human error, not the technology itself | 22:09 |
| simpleton | planes used to go down all the time, every time one goes down we learn why and it doesn't happen for the same reason again | 22:10 |
| Arsanerit | that's one hope for self-driving cars | 22:10 |
| Arsanerit | there will still be accidents, but in theory all self-driving cars can learn from every accident | 22:10 |
| simpleton | the problem with self driving cars is for it to be safe, everyone needs a self driving car | 22:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Aruba: +248 cases (now 17896) since 23 hours ago | 22:11 |
| Arsanerit | nuclear meltdowns are quite rare, but why invest in a technology that still depends on government subsidies 70 years after it has been invented? | 22:11 |
| simpleton | because it's more clean and sustainable | 22:11 |
| Arsanerit | simpleton: for safety that isn't needed, but for progress probably so; a self-driving car in some places would probably stand at the roundabout forever because other drivers are too agressive to engage safely | 22:11 |
| minthos | not true simpleton, it just makes it harder to make them safe - not impossible | 22:11 |
| Arsanerit | simpleton: wind is much cheaper | 22:12 |
| Arsanerit | Hinkley Point C has a strike price of an estimated £50 billion and who knows when it will be finished | 22:12 |
| simpleton | sure, but it requires a lot more space and it must be specifically appropriate space | 22:13 |
| simpleton | anyone can build a nuclear reactor anywhere pretty much | 22:13 |
| Arsanerit | No fully privately funded nuclear power plant has ever been built. | 22:13 |
| simpleton | that the public knows about | 22:13 |
| Arsanerit | Nuclear power only survives due to government subsidies, in particular military interest. | 22:14 |
| Arsanerit | I'm not against nuclear power in principle, but I think it has its time. | 22:14 |
| simpleton | I am a nuclear physics hobbiest | 22:15 |
| Arsanerit | *has had its time | 22:15 |
| darsie | physicist* | 22:15 |
| darsie | oops nm | 22:15 |
| Arsanerit | The mass energy density of the nuclear fuel is impressive, but the mass energy density of the solar power fuel is infinite. | 22:15 |
| simpleton | but this is going off topic a lot | 22:15 |
| Arsanerit | It is. | 22:16 |
| Tuvix | Well, not quite infinite, but quite close. We're not going to see a Dyson Sphere anytime soon… | 22:16 |
| simpleton | the problem with solar power is that we can't monopolize it, or make it scarcer, leading to widespread adoption driving prices so far down they are negative | 22:16 |
| minthos | nuclear is also great for providing dependable power 24/7, but the political will isn't there so it hasn't been given enough investment to make it cheap | 22:16 |
| Arsanerit | Tuvix: The mass of solar radiation is zero, so its mass energy density goes to infinity. | 22:17 |
| Arsanerit | simpleton: Who are "we" in that sentence? | 22:17 |
| Arsanerit | minthos: Nuclear has been given plenty of investment in the past 70 years. | 22:17 |
| simpleton | capitalists | 22:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, PhD-MD (@michaelzlin): so with luck COVID19 may be over before we even switch our funding sources. Our reputation and survival is not dependent on our success in COVID19 work (yet — hopefully we can avoid that). More details are in the mega-thread here:twitter.com/michaelzlin/st… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1475575589692067840 | 22:17 |
| Arsanerit | Thorium not so much, but nuclear fission a lot, in particular by the nuclear weapon owning countries. | 22:17 |
| minthos | the cost has been rising, not decreasing | 22:18 |
| simpleton | nuclear weapons are bad, but if you have one people will not attack you | 22:18 |
| Arsanerit | simpleton: then why is there still war in Kashmir? | 22:19 |
| Arsanerit | that's rather a risky bet to take, "if you have one people will not attack you". | 22:20 |
| Arsanerit | Argentina also attacked the British Falkland Isles at a time Britain was a nuclear power. | 22:20 |
| minthos | we're definitely going to blow ourselves up | 22:21 |
| simpleton | now that we have supersonic ICMBs MAD isn't really as big a probloem anymore. Also Kashmir is a problem where the targets are too close for safety | 22:21 |
| simpleton | you can't nuke someone when you will irradiate yourself in the process | 22:21 |
| minthos | I think covid proved that we can't rely on logic | 22:23 |
| Arsanerit | We knew that well before covid. | 22:23 |
| Arsanerit | We've known of the ecological consequences of our environmental crimes for decades but action is minimal. | 22:24 |
| minthos | yes | 22:24 |
| Arsanerit | Humans have been harming the biosphere for tens of thousands of years. | 22:24 |
| Arsanerit | We've just gotten "better" at recently, in particular since the industrial revolution. | 22:25 |
| minthos | reminded is a better word than proved | 22:25 |
| Arsanerit | "shows once again" | 22:25 |
| Tuvix | 10k's of years? Yes. It's been quite recent that we've been changing it _this_ much though. Randall has a great graphic illustrating that point: https://xkcd.com/1732 | 22:25 |
| xx | y'all might be interested in https://www.vhemt.org/ then | 22:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Flu season and COVID-19 are adding to stresses at Cincinnati Children's → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/rpxqou/flu_season_and_covid19_are_adding_to_stresses_at/ | 22:27 |
| Arsanerit | Tuvix: At the latest with making the big grazers and predators outside Africa extinct we have had a large impact. | 22:28 |
| Arsanerit | Tuvix: According to some theories, the extinction of the big grazers in north Asia, to which humans contributed significantly, had such a big impact that Siberia changed from a park-like landscape to a dense forest, decreasing the albedo of the planet and warming the climate. | 22:28 |
| Arsanerit | xx: Are you a member? | 22:29 |
| xx | no | 22:29 |
| xx | does it even have membership? | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gabon: +831 cases (now 38870), +1 deaths (now 287) since 4 days ago — Congo: +599 cases (now 20089) since 6 days ago — Liberia: +299 cases (now 6228) since 6 days ago — Central African Rep.: +202 cases (now 12163) since 14 days ago | 22:29 |
| minthos | xx: I haven't bred yet but I generally think I should do my part to fight against the dumbening of humanity | 22:38 |
| minthos | by breeding as much as I can | 22:39 |
| minthos | I just haven't made it a priority, I value my spare time too much | 22:39 |
| dTal | what makes you think you have smart genes | 22:41 |
| minthos | other people | 22:41 |
| dTal | I've met lots of dumb people and they all think they're smarter than average too | 22:42 |
| dTal | so that's not very strong empirical evidence | 22:42 |
| minthos | I know I'm dumb, but I'm smart enough to understand how astonishingly dumb most people are | 22:43 |
| dTal | besides, I'm pretty sure at this point that smart/stupid has a lot more to do with the environment you're brought up in than your genes | 22:43 |
| minthos | pulling the average up doesn't take much | 22:44 |
| minthos | of course, upbringing and education are an integral part of human evolution | 22:45 |
| minthos | our genes and culture corvolve | 22:46 |
| minthos | coevolve | 22:46 |
| minthos | I think it's mostly moot by now since we are probably only a few generations from ASI | 22:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahrain: +304 cases (now 280109), +21886 tests (now 7.9 million) since 23 hours ago — India: +5908 cases (now 34.8 million), +21 deaths (now 480018) since 16 hours ago | 23:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: CDC recommends shorter COVID isolation, quarantine for all → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpy1zg/cdc_recommends_shorter_covid_isolation_quarantine/ | 23:05 |
| Arsanerit | There's also accelerationism. | 23:11 |
| Arsanerit | but then specifically that we should accelerate everything that's bad, so that humanity will go extinct and the planet can go on | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 1 Million Test Kits Headed To NYC Schools, As Educators Wonder About January 3rd Return → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpyd31/1_million_test_kits_headed_to_nyc_schools_as/ | 23:14 |
| minthos | I don't think that's a good plan, I think intelligent life is pretty cool but we need to cross this "uncanny valley" of being just intelligent enough to destroy the ecosystem but not intelligent enough to restore it | 23:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Goldman Sachs will require U.S. employees to get booster shots → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rpykgq/goldman_sachs_will_require_us_employees_to_get/ | 23:24 |
| LjL-Matrix | Looks like Italy is about to shorten quarantine for vaccinated people who come into contact with positives from 7 days (it's 10 for unvaccinated) to either 5 or even 3 | 23:31 |
| LjL-Matrix | At least it's not for those who are actually positive... | 23:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +214619 cases (now 5.9 million), +120 deaths (now 89139) since 4 days ago — Rwanda: +962 cases (now 105989), +1 deaths (now 1348) since a day ago — Netherlands: +11685 cases (now 3.1 million) since 22 hours ago | 23:32 |
| Arsanerit | Could melting permafrost release smallpox? | 23:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Steve Miller (@SteveMillerOC): Number of people admitted to the hospital with covid inNew York City:810 on Dec 26452 on Dec 23343 on Dec 22532 peak last winter on Feb 4coronavirus.health.ny.gov/daily-hospital… pic.twitter.com/DO3Wcwpugr → https://twitter.com/SteveMillerOC/status/1475594118113808388 | 23:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: CDC cuts the recommended isolation and quarantine periods for coronavirus infections: People who test positive need to isolate themselves for 5 days if they don't show symptoms. The change reflects "what we know about the spread of the virus" and vaccine [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/27/1068358102/cdc-quarantine-covid | 23:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): Omicron infection enhances neutralizing immunity against Delta — suggesting that Omicron will help push Delta out, as it should decrease likelihood that someone infected with Omicron will get re-infected with Delta. New preprint from Sigal Lab. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1475597821848039427 | 23:52 |
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