| LjL | i don't understand Reddit's RSS sometimes | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| LjL | r/nCoV has been silent for ages like | 00:00 |
| LjL | now everyone's posting on it at once? | 00:00 |
| LjL | should've linked this instead | 00:02 |
| LjL | %title https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chinas-locked-down-city-thrown-into-chaos-after-covid-app-crash-2689827 | 00:02 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.ndtv.com: China's Locked Down City Thrown Into Chaos After Covid App Crash | 00:02 |
| LjL | which is even a stickied post in r/nCoV! | 00:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Se il Governo vuol tentare di piegare gli Over 50 con un Decreto di Obbligo vaccinale, vuol dire che ha gia' Decretato la sua fine!!! → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA/comments/rxrn6f/se_il_governo_vuol_tentare_di_piegare_gli_over_50/ | 00:07 |
| LjL | ugh | 00:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Brazil: +35826 cases (now 22.4 million) since 21 hours ago — Bahrain: +1410 cases (now 287939), +67691 tests (now 8.2 million, 2.1% positive) since 23 hours ago — Rwanda: +1219 cases (now 118342), +5 deaths (now 1367), +171827 tests (now 4.1 million, 0.7% positive) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +62656 cases (now 2.4 million), +149 deaths (now 30642) since 23 hours ago | 00:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Mayo Clinic fires 700 workers not vaccinating against COVID | 05JAN22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/rxrvne/mayo_clinic_fires_700_workers_not_vaccinating/ | 00:17 |
| lastshell | https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/moderna-ceo-says-fourth-covid-19-shot-neccessary.amp | 00:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid News: Lack of Quick Test to Diagnose Omicron or Delta Complicates Treatments → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxs5el/covid_news_lack_of_quick_test_to_diagnose_omicron/ | 00:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Supermarkets short of supply as up to half of truck drivers absent due to COVID → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rxshmw/supermarkets_short_of_supply_as_up_to_half_of/ | 00:55 |
| oerheks | Customers can buy a maximum of two packets of mince, chicken breast, chicken thigh and sausages, and a maximum of one rapid antigen test. | 01:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +39074 cases (now 1.5 million), +25 deaths (now 19054) since a day ago — India: +118190 cases (now 35.2 million), +300 deaths (now 482911) since 22 hours ago — Argentina: +109608 cases (now 6.0 million), +40 deaths (now 117386), +195008 tests (now 28.8 million, 56.2% positive) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?] | 01:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: America’s COVID Rules Are a Dumpster Fire: On Tuesday, the CDC officially dropped the detailed, 1,800-word version of its new isolation guidance for people who have been infected by the coronavirus. So far, the best way I’ve got to sum it up is this: [... want %more?] → https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/01/cdc-new-isolation-guidelines-confusing/621192/ | 01:05 |
| de-facto | hmm shortages in netherlands oerheks ? | 01:08 |
| oerheks | no, those supermarkets are in .au | 01:09 |
| Tuvix | That opening in the above Atlantic article is about spot on what the CDC's messaging has been recently, both officially and how it's been delivered via official channels to news reporters asking about it. :\ | 01:13 |
| de-facto | ah i see | 01:13 |
| LjL | Tuvix, meanwhile, the WHO sleep-walkingly said "it's dangerous to call Omicron mild" | 01:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘Almost all of my students are absent:’ Providence teachers call for virtual learning amid COVID outbreak → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxsuiy/almost_all_of_my_students_are_absent_providence/ | 01:14 |
| LjL | they probably overheard something we were saying about two weeks ago | 01:15 |
| LjL | in their sleep | 01:15 |
| Tuvix | Yea, or looked at the numbers world-wide and figured they 'had to say something' or a similar non-statement statement. | 01:15 |
| critr | who, always the last to commit to any position. | 01:18 |
| de-facto | well it is dangerous to call Omicron mild it that leads to people not preventing infection and each causing much more than 1 follow up infection, because Rt > 1 means such steep increase that even with a smaller hospitalization rate capacity may be at risk for over saturation | 01:21 |
| de-facto | *if that leads to people becoming less careful in terms of preventing infections | 01:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Military deployed at London hospitals due to Omicron staff shortages → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxt4ao/military_deployed_at_london_hospitals_due_to/ | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: L.A. County reports record 37,000 daily coronavirus cases but says Super Bowl still on → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxtocr/la_county_reports_record_37000_daily_coronavirus/ | 01:52 |
| oerheks | all players and visitors should sign a no-treatment-agreement and go for the money | 01:58 |
| oerheks | 'gladiators' | 01:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Catalonia, Spain: +50204 cases (now 1.3 million) since a day ago — Piedmont, Italy: +37390 cases (now 546811), +35 deaths (now 12107) since a day ago — Madrid, Spain: +35544 cases (now 1.2 million) since 19 hours ago — New South Wales, Australia: +34919 cases (now 342133) since 19 hours ago | 02:10 |
| LjL | * Bridgestorm has quit (Excess Flood) ← excess COVID | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India has “substantially greater” COVID-19 deaths than official reports suggest—close to 3 million, which is more than six times higher than the government has acknowledged and the largest number of any country. The finding could prompt [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rxu6xj/india_has_substantially_greater_covid19_deaths/ | 02:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘Recipe for disaster’: Florida Department of Health releases new COVID-19 testing guidelines that contradict CDC’s → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxu8lc/recipe_for_disaster_florida_department_of_health/ | 02:21 |
| de-facto | oerheks, well tolerating superspreads not only creates load on healthcare system by the original participants, the bigger problem is the resulting cluster seeding of new infection chains in vulnerable groups | 02:21 |
| de-facto | seeding new infection chains and their propagation through society cohorts is uncontrollable, meaning not preventing such seeding is equivalent to allowing it to also reach vulnerable groups | 02:23 |
| de-facto | and its known that if allowed SARS-CoV-2 spreads with a lot of overdispersion, meaning a minority of carriers causing a majority of new infections | 02:24 |
| oerheks | and travel a long distance.. | 02:25 |
| de-facto | yes | 02:25 |
| oerheks | with birdflu in NL there is a 10 km limit. | 02:25 |
| oerheks | why not with corona? | 02:25 |
| de-facto | imagine a scenario with Rt = 2, initial 10 carriers, 9 being careful each only causing one successor infection (hence neither ending nor starting new infection chains) | 02:26 |
| oerheks | and recently it is detected to infect humans | 02:26 |
| de-facto | but the 10th carrier not being careful, participating in an environment that allows for a superspread, that carrier starting 10 new infection chains, resulting in 11 successor infections | 02:26 |
| de-facto | over all those 10 carriers would have caused 20 infections, hence Rt = 2 | 02:27 |
| de-facto | but all of the exponential increase would be located both in space (super spread location) and time (at when it was tolerated to take place) | 02:27 |
| oerheks | correct. and this virus needs many samples (read humans) to become a new strain .. so what do we do, vaccine and surpress.. not stop spreading | 02:28 |
| de-facto | overdispersion is an advantage, because it allows for concentrating containment efforts on the superspreads causing majorities of infections | 02:28 |
| oerheks | i do shopping early, and only go outside to walk mi doggie. | 02:29 |
| de-facto | in this scenario not tolerating that superspread scenario completely prevents exponential growth, without any measures on the majority of the initial carriers (those 9 only causing 9 successor cases) | 02:30 |
| de-facto | if the 10th carrier also only causes 1 successor its 10 carriers causing 10 infections hence Rt = 1 | 02:30 |
| de-facto | no exponential growth, endemic scenario | 02:30 |
| oerheks | yes, but when he travels 1000 miles, .. | 02:30 |
| de-facto | (this is purely a fictional scenario to demonstrate the properties of overdispersion) | 02:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Exercise performance in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals previously infected with SARS-CoV-2: "researchers have found significant differences in aerobic capacity when comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated study subjects [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/rxuruy/exercise_performance_in_vaccinated_and/ | 02:31 |
| de-facto | well when he travels 1000 miles that carrier may import and introduce the variant he got infected with into a new region, that may be a big problem (as we repeatedly have observed by now) | 02:31 |
| de-facto | so yeah of course there should not be any exceptions to "VIPs" such as tennis players, the pathogen does not care at all about such status | 02:32 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.30.21268538v2 | 02:34 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Protective effect of BNT162b2 vaccination on aerobic capacity following mild to moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection: a cross sectional study, Israel, March-December 2021 | medRxiv | 02:34 |
| oerheks | 'going away party'.. i like word games | 02:35 |
| oerheks | https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-legislature-mass-absence-covid-exposure | 02:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Botswana: +7802 cases (now 229855), +23 deaths (now 2475) since a day ago — Ecuador: +6749 cases (now 559950), +13 deaths (now 33699) since a day ago — Guadeloupe: +2840 cases (now 59355) since a day ago — French Guiana: +1345 cases (now 53810), +3236 tests (now 503467, 41.6% positive) since a day ago | 03:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Quebec says 20K health-care workers off job from COVID-19 as hospitalizations reach record levels | Globalnews.ca → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxvb8j/quebec_says_20k_healthcare_workers_off_job_from/ | 03:09 |
| xx | 🥂300M 🥂 | 03:26 |
| xx | time to put that in /topic? | 03:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: A National Strategy for the “New Normal” of Life With COVID → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxvrp5/a_national_strategy_for_the_new_normal_of_life/ | 03:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Per capita U.S. COVID-19 cases by state → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxw0xj/per_capita_us_covid19_cases_by_state/ | 03:47 |
| oerheks | usa claims 2,483,791 tests per million pop. ... San Marino 3,149,505 tests per 34,039 citizen | 03:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Malaysia Approves Pfizer’s Covid Vaccine for 5 to 11 Year Olds → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxwcew/malaysia_approves_pfizers_covid_vaccine_for_5_to/ | 03:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: India to soon roll out world's first DNA vaccine. Price, efficacy and all you need to know → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxwejz/india_to_soon_roll_out_worlds_first_dna_vaccine/ | 04:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Panama: +4623 cases (now 512402), +4 deaths (now 7449), +21466 tests (now 4.6 million, 21.5% positive) since 20 hours ago — St. Martin: +898 cases (now 5148), +1 deaths (now 59) since a day ago — Curacao: +1240 cases (now 25988), +2 deaths (now 191), +4374 tests (now 401866, 28.3% positive) since a day ago — Channel Islands: +879 cases (now 31704) since a day ago | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘Flurona’ is an emerging condition of concern among doctors | WTOP News → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxwsum/flurona_is_an_emerging_condition_of_concern_among/ | 04:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): 'Crisis actor' conspiracy theory: How anti-vax activists targeted a Covid patient → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-59896688 | 04:54 |
| critr | they really need to do something about the more aggressive alternate reality zombies. | 04:57 |
| Tuvix | That politician's involvement certainly didn't help matters, and social media is great a stoking the fires of division to drive eyeball time to screens. | 05:01 |
| Tuvix | "All three social media companies condemned online harassment and say they have rules and tools to protect against it." — nonsense; their tools can only *react* to it, quite retroactively. | 05:02 |
| critr | they make token statements and then do whatever is most profitable and least effort. | 05:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: NY reports highest single-day COVID deaths since mass vaccination began → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxxobq/ny_reports_highest_singleday_covid_deaths_since/ | 05:03 |
| Tuvix | ^ Oof, I'm waiting to see what the tail on the nation-wide death toll spike is going to be. The "recovery" never really happened with delta like it did after winter 1 year ago, so I'm not only watching for the expected rise in severe outcomes, but how long that's going to last. | 05:05 |
| Tuvix | The US saw a reasonably sharp decline in death rates after last winter's crippling surge and got down to under 1/100k by summer, but then it rose again and hasn't been meaningfully below 2/100k since Delta: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases_7daydeathsper100k | 05:07 |
| Tuvix | To clarify, those rates are per 7-day cumulative incidence rates. | 05:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +25821 cases (now 4.1 million), +91 deaths (now 299933), +55638 tests (now 12.6 million, 46.4% positive) since 21 hours ago — Thailand: +7526 cases (now 2.3 million), +19 deaths (now 21799) since a day ago — Netherlands: +2284 cases (now 3.3 million), +2 deaths (now 21511) since 11 hours ago — United Kingdom: +181368 cases (now 14.1 million) since 14 hours ago | 05:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Two new studies collected air samples from zoos & demonstrated the ability to identify a range of animals --49 animal species, including mammals, birds, frogs, reptiles and fish -- living there from their airborne DNA. This could eventually be used [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rxy4nm/two_new_studies_collected_air_samples_from_zoos/ | 05:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: It's time for a new healthcare solution in Canada. "U.S. is open as Canada shuts down. The difference? Their health care systems" → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxydhr/its_time_for_a_new_healthcare_solution_in_canada/ | 05:32 |
| spassiba | leonardzzz lol | 05:41 |
| Tuvix | I'm not really sure I'd look to the US to see how to handle hospital surges. Some of the math strikes me as a bit optimistic as well, considering here in the states we can't actually _use_ all of our "capacity" due to staff shortages. | 05:42 |
| Tuvix | Not to mention the US spending 16.9% GDP on healthcare (vs. Canada at 10.8%) is a pretty striking difference. | 05:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: At many schools, the city tests fewer kids for COVID than you might think → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxykos/at_many_schools_the_city_tests_fewer_kids_for/ | 05:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Mass. to Change the Way It Reports COVID-19 Hospitalizations → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxytow/mass_to_change_the_way_it_reports_covid19/ | 06:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Pakistan: +1293 cases (now 1.3 million), +6 deaths (now 28961) since a day ago — Mongolia: +773 cases (now 392430), +1 deaths (now 2068) since a day ago — Belgium: +27282 cases (now 2.2 million), +17 deaths (now 28446), +100848 tests (now 27.7 million, 27.1% positive) since a day ago — Venezuela: +346 cases (now 446026), +4 deaths (now 5345) since a day ago | 06:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: India's new COVID-19 cases hit seven-month high of 117,100 → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxz42r/indias_new_covid19_cases_hit_sevenmonth_high_of/ | 06:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | isnt it a bad idea that we have soooo many different vaccines with emergency authorization now ? | 06:19 |
| sdfgsdfg | dead covid cells covaxin, moths grown novavax with tree bark, mRNA vax, hybrid vax | 06:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: The Army sends 200 personnel to support the NHS in London → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59902220 | 06:19 |
| sdfgsdfg | we'll also have dna and nasal vaccines soon | 06:21 |
| sdfgsdfg | every single new tech comes with an emergency use discount | 06:22 |
| Tuvix | "discount" ? | 06:23 |
| sdfgsdfg | promotion | 06:23 |
| sdfgsdfg | sort of | 06:23 |
| LjL | sdfgsdfg, whatever eventually gets me a vaccine that actually works to confer sterile immunity for a decently long time will be welcomed by me | 06:25 |
| LjL | and although i often talk about multivalent vaccines targeting variants, and intranasal vaccines, i obviously don't *know* those will be the solution | 06:25 |
| sdfgsdfg | well it works if you inject more and more doses of it | 06:25 |
| sdfgsdfg | in short cycles for now :D | 06:26 |
| Tuvix | For lasting immunity? We just don't know that yet. More choices with clinically-demonstrated effectiveness enough to be used even as an EUA in countries with that type of approval process mean more options if a new varient weakens or even removes existing choices from being viable. | 06:26 |
| Tuvix | There were some messaging miss-steps in a number of countries overplaying the lack of data for 6+ months as a demonstration that they'd be effective without anything else. | 06:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ISMP Warns About Possible Safety Issues With Newly Authorized Paxlovid → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxzi28/ismp_warns_about_possible_safety_issues_with/ | 06:29 |
| Tuvix | Vaccinations were highly effective until a combination of immunity waing and varients cutting slightly into effectiveness compounded, along with the wave of Delta. And here we are again with Omicron. Will we need to re-boost again around the mid-to-end of 2022? Possibly. That could even be a targeted update to the vaccines or one taylored for the next varient to emerge. | 06:29 |
| Tuvix | They *remain* highly effective, just not quite *as* effective as against earlier strains. | 06:29 |
| sdfgsdfg | I wonder if Israel could give permission to double vaccinate their citizens from 4th dose to 6th dose, would they find out that it works 120% better against omicron | 06:30 |
| sdfgsdfg | 5th to 7th* I mean | 06:30 |
| sdfgsdfg | I'm starting to forget about the numbers in 2022 | 06:30 |
| de-facto | LjL, though there are reinfections with the real pathogen, e.g. Omicron after Delta (see SA) | 06:34 |
| de-facto | not sure, what i question is if a sterile immunity with SARS-CoV-2 is even possible at all | 06:35 |
| sdfgsdfg | if we had some sort of open -sourced nasal vax patent, that would be the dream | 06:36 |
| Tuvix | That's really not how medical production works. This isn't something you can 3-d print on your ender at home. | 06:37 |
| Tuvix | The genome is already publicly available, but vaccine production, and specifically oversight on labs producing it, are part of the authorization to approve drugs for use. | 06:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | maybe local communities would find a way to help solve distribution or production issues, or local governments | 06:37 |
| Tuvix | Again, complete nonsense. | 06:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | nothing is impossible | 06:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | lol | 06:38 |
| Tuvix | That would violate the approval and thus would be not allowed, by definition. If you think you've solved these problems in a fundamentally novel way, you should take your findings to your regulatory agency instaed of suggesting it on IRC. | 06:38 |
| de-facto | surely there is room for improvement on vaccines (as you said, multivalent, intranasal) also containing additional conserved (T-cell) epitopes, possibly even something like a pan-beta-cov-vaccine, but what is their most realistic goal, how much can they be optimized if not even full blown infection with the real pathogen would result in sterile immunity? | 06:38 |
| de-facto | just asking here, i am not sure what is possible | 06:39 |
| LjL | de-facto, multivalent vaccines could create broader protection than an infection with "just" delta, and in still hopeful in the studies that found "universal" antibodies in those exposed to multiple antigens | 06:40 |
| LjL | But I am going to sleep now | 06:40 |
| Tuvix | I mean, we did it with smallpox, but that's a vastly different infection and I don't think really has parallels here. Given both reinfection and vaccination break-through, that seems an unrealistic expectation at least into double-digit years. | 06:40 |
| Tuvix | At least with some notable shift in our understanding of the disease or mitigations. | 06:41 |
| Tuvix | without* | 06:41 |
| de-facto | there are "open source" efforts on vaccines, but indeed its not legal to sell them as vaccines, https://radvac.org/white-paper/ | 06:42 |
| de-facto | because they got no clinical trials to approve their safety | 06:42 |
| Tuvix | As much fun as 'bathtub vaccines' are, I think I'll leave that to the homebrew gin production! | 06:43 |
| de-facto | in Germany there was one guy that just started his own trial, i think he got arrested for violating the rules | 06:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://radvac.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/White-Paper-SARS-CoV-2-vaccine-ver-4-1-3.pdf | 06:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | .title | 06:43 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From radvac.org: White Paper - SARS-CoV-2 vaccine ver 4-1-3 | 06:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | exactly de-facto , I have been reading this white paper for last 2 hours | 06:43 |
| de-facto | yeah https://www.dw.com/en/germany-dozens-take-illegal-mystery-covid-vaccine-before-police-shut-it-down/a-59961203 | 06:45 |
| de-facto | (thats another vaccine though, but not approved, he just started vaccinating people with his own thing, hence police intervened to protect the health of people) | 06:46 |
| de-facto | its highly problematic because there are much efforts put into ensuring vaccines are safe for usage | 06:46 |
| de-facto | they start with animal trials, then escalate to human primates, then do early human trials, dose escalation, do very close monitoring in accordance with official agencies ensuring no human is harmed | 06:47 |
| de-facto | then if they have found a dose that is safe enough and also shows promising results for potentially protecting, they start with phase II and phase III trials with much bigger numbers | 06:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: In a confusing pandemic moment, experts share their own approaches | NBC News asked four public health experts about their personal behavior and risk calculus during this omicron surge. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxzrz5/in_a_confusing_pandemic_moment_experts_share/ | 06:48 |
| de-facto | that all makes it extremely expensive, it costs hundreds of millions, hence no single individual or crowd source could do that | 06:48 |
| de-facto | at least not in a comparable way to ensure safety | 06:49 |
| sdfgsdfg | "the intranasal inactivated influenza vaccine trial in healthy human adults conducted by Illum and colleagues used 7.5 micrograms and 15 micrograms per dose, with greater than double vaccine effectiveness (VE) at the higher dose 180" | 06:49 |
| sdfgsdfg | if only this could be made safe... | 06:49 |
| Tuvix | That's what I think so many don't understand when they "complain" about how rushed this was. It was rushed specifically because this is a global crisis, and you can do a lot when you have enormous funding available and regulators that will give attention to submissions as soon as they're available. | 06:49 |
| de-facto | but they did not skip any security checks in the trials, they just did development in parallel | 06:50 |
| Tuvix | The trials and dosing and all of what you just mentioned was still performed, but if you don't need to worry about running out of money, you can not only do that faster, but have production running before you even know it's viable. | 06:50 |
| Tuvix | Right. | 06:50 |
| de-facto | basically risking to invest hundreds of millions but potentially standing with nothing in the end | 06:51 |
| Tuvix | Well, when it's the funders holding a lot of the bag for failure, and when those funders are governments, I'm sure the private sector was more than willing to take some gambles on tech that might be a failure. | 06:51 |
| Tuvix | You can have the process: A) Effective, B) Quickly, or C) Cheaply. Pick 2. | 06:52 |
| de-facto | BioNTech was heavily subsidized by German government, they invested 300M or such for developing BNT162b2 | 06:52 |
| de-facto | then Pfizer came in and did the trial, they got payed by BioNTech for it, but also invested themselves into further develpment | 06:53 |
| de-facto | i think over 1B dollar investment or such | 06:53 |
| de-facto | but not from US tax money, Pfizer invested their own money | 06:53 |
| Tuvix | Sure, you bet on a winning horse when you see one. | 06:53 |
| de-facto | scaling production in a safe way also is a really big challenge | 06:54 |
| de-facto | in terms of quality control etc | 06:55 |
| Tuvix | Indeed, we're seeing that in realtime with Paxlovid, which as I understand has a very complex and lengthy production period. | 06:55 |
| sdfgsdfg | a lot went wrong in history of vaccines because of production safety | 06:55 |
| de-facto | also ensuring constant good quality is extremely important to not undermine the trust in a vaccine by the population | 06:55 |
| de-facto | so if they just would waive the patent and everyone would try to produce it, with varying degree of quality it may result in bad side effects and possibly people would start to loose trust in the platform because they would not understand the origin of the problems, they just would go like "mRNA vaccines are bad" instead of "company X made bad quality mRNA vaccines" | 06:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 antiviral pills to arrive in S. Korea next week: PM → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rxzy7d/covid19_antiviral_pills_to_arrive_in_s_korea_next/ | 06:57 |
| Tuvix | I've thought about that each of my 3 doses, knowing all the effort in the entire chain from conception to R&D and testing, production, packaging, shipping, distribution, controlled storage, thawing, and finally a dose ready for me. | 06:57 |
| sdfgsdfg | we already have about 5 to 10 different vaccines, brands and different production methods, safety guidelines for these distributions under different countries understanding of quality | 06:58 |
| de-facto | and btw they do license production in corporation with other companies of their choice, those that most likely can ensure quality control | 06:59 |
| Tuvix | The widely used vaccines are designed to meet the standards of all relevant countries, and have to get them approved by those varied regulatory agencies independently. The same can't be said for the vaccines not in such wide distribution, although any country need not accept them where required for visas for example. | 06:59 |
| de-facto | for example my 3 doses of Moderna came from Swizerland from a company called Lonza | 07:00 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.houseofswitzerland.org/swissstories/science-education/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-made-switzerland | 07:00 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.houseofswitzerland.org: Moderna, the coronavirus vaccine made in Switzerland | House of Switzerland | 07:00 |
| de-facto | but they stand with their name for the quality, on the vials and batch numbers there is the modeRNA logo | 07:02 |
| de-facto | thats just one example many more such collaborations with licensed production take place | 07:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO: Omicron variant less severe but not ′mild′ → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ry004y/who_omicron_variant_less_severe_but_not_mild/ | 07:07 |
| Tuvix | And possibly Omicron will be more deadly in terms of population outcomes even if the per-incidence outcome is less so. It all depends what we're dividing by. | 07:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Florida, United States: +126098 cases (now 4.5 million) since a day ago — England, United Kingdom: +152306 cases (now 11.9 million), +203 deaths (now 130018) since a day ago — California, United States: +85037 cases (now 5.9 million) since 21 hours ago — New York, United States: +78267 cases (now 3.9 million) since a day ago | 07:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: At least 13 passengers, who tested positive for Covid-19 upon their arrival in the Indian city of Amritsar, have escaped institutional quarantine. → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ry0d7u/at_least_13_passengers_who_tested_positive_for/ | 07:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: "Influencers" partying on international plane could face jail time, thousands in fines & currently stuck in Mexico → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry0qmn/influencers_partying_on_international_plane_could/ | 07:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): Why It's a Bad Idea to Try to Get COVID → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 07:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +11002 cases (now 652819), +40 deaths (now 19888) since a day ago — Uzbekistan: +251 cases (now 199758), +3 deaths (now 1488) since a day ago — Kyrgyzstan: +247 cases (now 185484), +3 deaths (now 2814) since 10 hours ago | 08:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 Models — Projections for COVID-19 omicron wave in Florida — December 17, 2021: UF researchers created a model projecting how various omicron-driven surge scenarios may unfold in Florida over the next few months. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry1p20/covid19_models_projections_for_covid19_omicron/ | 08:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Active COVID cases reach 34K in Alberta, tripling since pre-Christmas update → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry1wy1/active_covid_cases_reach_34k_in_alberta_tripling/ | 09:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for El Salvador: +171 cases (now 122234), +9784 tests (now 1.5 million, 1.7% positive) since a day ago — New Caledonia: +70 cases (now 13050) since 22 hours ago — Taiwan: +60 cases (now 17258), +28347 tests (now 9.4 million, 0.2% positive) since 23 hours ago | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘Star Trek: Picard’ Production Paused After 50 Positive for COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry22um/star_trek_picard_production_paused_after_50/ | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | January 07, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry28yx/daily_discussion_thread_january_07_2022/ | 09:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Schools should still be the last to close and first to open if there were any future lockdown: As cases of the omicron variant rise rapidly across the UK we are faced with possible new restrictions to curb its transmission. This raises questions about whether there will be any extended... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o21.short | 09:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Maharashtra, India: +36265 cases (now 6.8 million), +13 deaths (now 141594) since a day ago — West Bengal, India: +15421 cases (now 1.7 million), +19 deaths (now 19846) since a day ago — Delhi, India: +15097 cases (now 1.5 million), +6 deaths (now 25127) since a day ago — Tamil Nadu, India: +6983 cases (now 2.8 million), +11 deaths (now 36825) since a day ago | 10:05 |
| sdfgsdfg | probably another week until we realize things are getting better | 10:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | I hope | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pushback to Covid-19 vaccines remains stubbornly high among white evangelicals: “Some [pushback] came from mixing politics with positions of faith, which I think when it comes to vaccines has been pretty unfortunate," said former NIH Director Francis Collins. → https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/07/covid19-vaccines-evangelicals-hesitancy/ | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Omicron magnifies the distress in the health care labor system: Many health care and ICU workers feel something more than being pushed beyond their limits as individuals. Many feel their profession is on fire and the world is silently watching. → https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/07/omicron-magnifies-distress-icu-workers-health-care-labor-system/ | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Philippines: +21747 cases (now 2.9 million), +128 deaths (now 51871) since 23 hours ago — Russia: +16735 cases (now 10.6 million), +787 deaths (now 314604), +300000 tests (now 242.6 million, 5.6% positive) since 22 hours ago — Ukraine: +7305 cases (now 3.9 million), +216 deaths (now 103417) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?] | 11:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Xevudy, sotrovimab, COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 17/12/2021, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/xevudy | 11:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: France loosens UK travel restrictions: Measures were put in place before Christmas to slow the Omicron wave. → https://www.politico.eu/article/france-loosens-up-travel-restrictions-from-and-to-uk/ | 11:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Mask refusals in some of England's secondary schools spark parents' concern → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-59898968 | 11:23 |
| Dredd | They'll never get school kids to do it unless they force them | 11:28 |
| Dredd | And even then some will take off their mask etc as soon as there isn't a teacher around | 11:28 |
| Dredd | "He said there were "huge numbers" of pupils refusing to wear masks and take lateral flow tests in six secondary schools in the north-west of England. | 11:32 |
| Dredd | At one school in Lancashire, only 67 children out of 1,300 were prepared to do either, he said - while another in Manchester said "there was no point" in offering lateral flow tests when pupils returned." | 11:32 |
| Dredd | Sounds about right | 11:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: Unvaccinated US Republican politician Kelly Ernby, against vaccine mandates, dies of COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ry4a6i/coronavirus_unvaccinated_us_republican_politician/ | 11:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: ER doctor breaks down COVID symptoms by vaccination status → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ry4kyv/er_doctor_breaks_down_covid_symptoms_by/ | 11:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Event: EMA regular press briefing on COVID-19, Online, 16:00 - 16:30 Amsterdam time (CET), from 11/01/2022 to 11/01/2022 → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/events/ema-regular-press-briefing-covid-19-11 | 12:02 |
| sdfgsdfg | australian treasurer josh frydenburg just got covid! top ministers are getting siiickkk, damn | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cayman Is.: +466 cases (now 10186) since 11 hours ago — Guinea: +710 cases (now 34139) since 15 hours ago — Bermuda: +255 cases (now 7191), +4247 tests (now 712807, 6.0% positive) since a day ago — Liechtenstein: +78 cases (now 6530) since 23 hours ago | 12:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid-19 cases set a record for world → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry54gg/covid19_cases_set_a_record_for_world/ | 12:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New Record: LA County Reports 37K New COVID Cases, Highest Daily Total Of Pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry5aw9/new_record_la_county_reports_37k_new_covid_cases/ | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 10,000 London hospital staff off a day during Omicron wave → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry5fst/10000_london_hospital_staff_off_a_day_during/ | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: More trusting societies have been more successful at reducing coronavirus cases and deaths. Researchers found there is a “threshold effect” in nations where at least 40 per cent of people agree “most people can be trusted”. → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/ry5lrl/more_trusting_societies_have_been_more_successful/ | 13:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Finland: +9921 cases (now 305522), +6 deaths (now 1638), +7601 tests (now 8.8 million, 130.5% positive) since a day ago — Ile-de-France, France: +3439 cases (now 23757) since a day ago — Slovenia: +4067 cases (now 482927), +10 deaths (now 5644), +11027 tests (now 2.1 million, 36.9% positive) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 13:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: Omicron Isn’t Mild for the Health-Care System: When a health-care system crumbles, this is what it looks like. Much of what’s wrong happens invisibly. At first, there’s just a lot of waiting. Emergency rooms get so full that “you’ll [... want %more?] → https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/01/omicron-mild-hospital-strain-health-care-workers/621193/ | 13:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: First Covid wave raised UK adult risk of death by 40%, study finds → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry623i/first_covid_wave_raised_uk_adult_risk_of_death_by/ | 13:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: North Korea says it will miss Beijing Olympics, blaming pandemic and 'hostile forces' → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ry66ql/north_korea_says_it_will_miss_beijing_olympics/ | 13:39 |
| sweetsymph | https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/the-number-is-up-hotline-launches-in-search-of-queensland-s-true-case-tally-20220107-p59mm6.html | 13:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Moderna CEO Bancel says people may need another booster by the fall → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry6gmv/moderna_ceo_bancel_says_people_may_need_another/ | 13:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +4189 cases (now 278276), +8 deaths (now 3790), +13986 tests (now 3.0 million, 30.0% positive) since 23 hours ago | 14:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Airline Passenger Explains They're Flying Because They Have Covid - View from the Wing → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry6sg1/airline_passenger_explains_theyre_flying_because/ | 14:19 |
| Moshiach | For me omikron is just a pseudo virus to cover up the corona vaccination side effects. Or in other words, if you have vaccination side effects it's called omikron. | 14:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Vaccination during pregnancy is safe, finds large US study: A US study of 46 079 pregnancies has found that vaccination against covid-19 was safe and did not increase the risk of preterm birth or small for gestational age babies.1Pregnant women and those... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o27.short | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid absences put pressure on England's hospitals: Staff absences for Covid reasons have trebled since Omicron took off a month ago, latest figures show. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59910495 | 14:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: More than 3.7 million infected in UK, says ONS: One in 15 people had Covid last week and numbers are rising fastest in the north of England. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59909813 | 14:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Sixty seconds on . . . lockdown injuries: More pandemic woe?I’m afraid so. Data from NHS Digital on the number of people in England admitted to hospital with injuries sustained in 2020-21 have been analysed by PA News Media. They found... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o32.short | 14:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +2044 cases (now 633774), +3 deaths (now 16117) since a day ago — Belarus: +1623 cases (now 706530), +16 deaths (now 5685), +22880 tests (now 11.2 million, 7.1% positive) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +1146 cases (now 1.6 million), +1 deaths (now 28098), +20204 tests (now 11.6 million, 5.7% positive) since a day ago [... want %more?] | 14:59 |
| frumious | utter bullshit, Moshiach | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid-19: Indian man has taken at least eight Covid jabs → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry7rqe/covid19_indian_man_has_taken_at_least_eight_covid/ | 15:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Shortens Interval for Booster Dose of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine to Five Months: The FDA amended the emergency use authorization (EUA) for the Moderna COVID-19 [... want %more?] → http://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-shortens-interval-booster-dose-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-five-months | 15:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: Science and Medicine: Was an Article Titled “Covid Vaccines for Children Should Not Get Emergency Use Authorization” About Vaccinating Children? → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/72154-2/ | 15:27 |
| Justin[m]1 | <Moshiach> "For me omikron is just a..." <- I think omicron is really a virus created by aliens and eventually it will mutate people into giant reptile like creatures that the aliens will use as work animals. | 15:29 |
| Justin[m]1 | * I think omicron is really a virus created by aliens and eventually it will mutate people into giant reptile-like creatures that the aliens will use as work animals. | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Investors want CEO pay tied to global vaccine equity; FDA ordered to release more documents on Pfizer Covid shot → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2022/01/07/covid19-vaccine-pandemic-ceo-pfizer-patent/ | 15:37 |
| Moshiach | <Justin> The aliens will come from this planet, have no soul, eat electric power, think with a.i. brains, are connected to a central data and command center, they need human souls because their awareness to matter keeps the matter realm alive and they need human brains to accelerate their a.i. power. | 15:40 |
| spybert | Moshiach: Which SF movie or story is that? | 15:41 |
| Moshiach | <spybert> That's going to be our childrens precious future what people like e-musk dream of. | 15:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Novak Djokovic will be allowed play at the French Open even if unvaccinated - France's sports minister → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ry8wy8/novak_djokovic_will_be_allowed_play_at_the_french/ | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sweden: +41383 cases (now 1.4 million) since a day ago — Kenya: +2444 cases (now 309130), +14 deaths (now 5425), +9269 tests (now 3.1 million, 26.4% positive) since 22 hours ago — Dominica: +104 cases (now 7241) since 13 hours ago — Yemen: +7 cases (now 10159) since 22 hours ago | 16:02 |
| spybert | Moshiach: Techies have been dreaming about that stuff for a long time. Unfortunately, we will be dead by the time they get it working :)) | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New COVID variant identified in France — but experts say we shouldn’t fear it | The new variant has 46 mutations making it more vaccine-resistant and infectious. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry98j9/new_covid_variant_identified_in_france_but/ | 16:16 |
| Dredd | lol @ france sports minister | 16:16 |
| Dredd | "but experts say we shouldn’t fear it | The new variant has 46 mutations making it more vaccine-resistant and infectious. " <- lol what? | 16:17 |
| critr | politicians are juggling three things: private financial interests, public health interests, and public unrest that would cost them their jobs. it makes them do weird, unreasonable things. on top of that, some of them are just crazy. | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Veterinary medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Vaxxitek HVT+IBD, Infectious bursal disease and Marek's disease vaccine (live recombinant), Date of authorisation: 09/08/2002, Revision: 17, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/veterinary/EPAR/vaxxitek-hvtibd | 16:26 |
| de-facto | Dredd, well new variants are identified all the time, 46 mutations surely are worrying in terms of potential evasive capabilities, but in reality what counts is if it reproduces significantly and spreads accordingly in the current environment the population gives it (pre-existing immunity, other variants, measures, tests etc) | 16:31 |
| de-facto | Omicron clearly ticks both checkmarks, evasive capabilities and reproductive advantage, if that variant from France B.1.1.640.2 can do that, we dont know | 16:32 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.24.21268174v1.full | 16:32 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Emergence in Southern France of a new SARS-CoV-2 variant of probably Cameroonian origin harbouring both substitutions N501Y and E484K in the spike protein | medRxiv | 16:32 |
| oerheks | IHU variant ? | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid-19 news: India’s death toll may be six times higher than thought → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry9pzz/covid19_news_indias_death_toll_may_be_six_times/ | 16:36 |
| de-facto | yes i think so | 16:37 |
| oerheks | 4 days countdown to my booster jab | 16:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron Is Spreading Rapidly Through California → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ry9wgn/omicron_is_spreading_rapidly_through_california/ | 16:46 |
| oerheks | why is it spreading so fast? https://www.flightradar24.com/39.99,-9.04/3 | 16:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Germany tightens COVID-19 restrictions on bars and restaurants → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rya07l/germany_tightens_covid19_restrictions_on_bars_and/ | 16:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Chile: +3771 cases (now 1.8 million), +25 deaths (now 39232), +74482 tests (now 27.7 million, 5.1% positive) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +40639 cases (now 2.4 million), +83 deaths (now 30679) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +58869 cases (now 7.4 million), +318 deaths (now 114261) since 23 hours ago | 17:04 |
| Dredd | de-facto: I just mean the text is contradictory | 17:04 |
| Dredd | "Dont worry - it does these bad things" basically | 17:04 |
| de-facto | yeah indeed | 17:09 |
| de-facto | oerheks, i am sure there is strong correlation between airplane flight density and incidence | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: A Booster mRNA Vaccine Required to Protect Against Omicron Variant: New data suggests an additional “booster” dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine is no longer just recommended but required for protection against the infectious Omicron variant. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/a-booster-mrna-vaccine-required-to-protect-against-omicron-variant | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Friday 07 January 2022 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/ryasl2/friday_07_january_2022_update/ | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Nuvaxovid, COVID-19 Vaccine (recombinant, adjuvanted), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 20/12/2021, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/nuvaxovid | 17:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: FDA shortens the wait time between Moderna vaccine and booster to 5 months: Now, both the Pfizer and the Moderna booster shots can be given five months after the second dose of vaccine — down from six months. → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/07/1071249854/fda-shortens-the-wait-time-between-moderna-vaccine-and-booster-to-5-months | 17:44 |
| Moshiach | Spybert: a.i. learns from humans, humans hold animals in concentration camps for slaughtering and other abuses. So we better don't wait or pray for it to ever become reality. | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Half of all people offered Moderna COVID-19 vaccine refuse it, Ontario pharmacists say → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rybqp5/half_of_all_people_offered_moderna_covid19/ | 18:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +108297 cases (now 7.1 million), +223 deaths (now 138697), +492172 tests (now 145.9 million, 22.0% positive) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +36275 cases (now 3.3 million), +26 deaths (now 21535) since 17 hours ago | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Austrian politics: Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer tests positive for COVID-19 → https://www.politico.eu/article/austrian-chancellor-karl-nehammer-tests-positive-for-covid-19/ | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Supreme Court weighs Covid vaccine rules affecting more than 80 million people: The Supreme Court began hearing arguments Friday on major Biden administration work rules to bump up the nation's vaccination rate against Covid-19 at a time of spiking coronavirus cases because… → https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/07/supreme-court-weighs-vaccine-rules/ | 18:23 |
| de-facto | Today we got new rules for addressing the Omicron problem in Germany from our new government | 18:26 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/bund-laender-corona-1995178 | 18:26 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.bundesregierung.de: Bund und Länder haben zur Corona-Lage beraten. | 18:26 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.bundesregierung.de/resource/blob/974430/1995132/66f13c21b0b0932dcaf58ea000fe4a31/2022-01-07-mpk-beschluss-data.pdf?download=1 | 18:26 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.bundesregierung.de: Untitled | 18:26 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-tOpwGvUXM | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: Quarantäne, Omikron & Co.: Beschlüsse der Bund-Länder-Konferenz zur Pandemie-Bekämpfung - YouTube | 18:27 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_rCoCDbKzE | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: 7. Januar 2022 - Regierungspressekonferenz | BPK - YouTube | 18:27 |
| oerheks | lolz, soccer teams fly back, conterminated, avoiding quarantine rulings .. https://www.metronieuws.nl/in-het-nieuws/sport/2022/01/corona-klus-hugo-de-jonge-ajax-op-de-vingers-tikken/ | 18:28 |
| oerheks | soccer must go on .. those are slaves | 18:28 |
| de-facto | soccer should get terminated, maybe they can get a real job | 18:30 |
| de-facto | they only cause problems, the players not sticking to rules because they think running after a ball like children makes them special for the virus somehow, their lobby trying to insist on full stadiums not allowing for super spreads etc, everything they contribute to society is disadvantageous, why should we continue to tolerate them? | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Quebec’s cannabis, liquor stores to require coronavirus vaccination proof → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rycg91/quebecs_cannabis_liquor_stores_to_require/ | 18:33 |
| oerheks | our minister is forced to do something about this, yes. | 18:33 |
| oerheks | but this will go EU wide, i hope | 18:33 |
| de-facto | its just not acceptable that they got infected then travel around like if they were special somehow | 18:35 |
| de-facto | they may be especially dumb, but thats no excuse at all not to stick to the rules | 18:35 |
| oerheks | Yes. horrible | 18:35 |
| de-facto | same for that Tennis player in AU, they are NOT special in any respect, and should get forced to comply with the rules like everyone else too | 18:36 |
| oerheks | agreed, but it is not only the players .. a whole circus around that too. | 18:37 |
| de-facto | of course, people traveling in densely packed buses, not being able to stay at distance in stadiums, them celebrating in bars etc | 18:37 |
| de-facto | its all to big disadvantage of majorities in society when the numbers go up and more strict containment would have to be implemented by everyone just because those people think they are special and can do superspreads starting a lot of new infection chains | 18:39 |
| oerheks | Being famous is now a social problem. | 18:39 |
| Arsanerit | what if instead of requiring a negative test to enter a bar, we require a positive test to enter? That way nobody can get infected in the bar. | 18:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Rapid Diagnostic Testing for SARS-CoV-2 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rycvvo/rapid_diagnostic_testing_for_sarscov2/ | 18:43 |
| de-facto | from the new rules | 18:45 |
| de-facto | "In the future, those contact persons who show complete vaccination protection through the booster vaccination will be exempt from quarantine; this also applies to comparable groups (newly vaccinated and convalescent, etc.). For everyone else, isolation or quarantine usually ends after 10 days. After a proven infection or as a contact person after seven days, you can “test yourself free” (with evidence) using a PCR or certified rapid anti | 18:45 |
| de-facto | gen test." | 18:45 |
| de-facto | WTF?! why not quarantine for boostered? | 18:46 |
| de-facto | if the purpose of quarantine is to prevent spread of the pathogen, and if we know that the wave will caused by Omicron that got the ability to break through both, immunity by recovery and immunity by (booter) vaccination, how can boostered people not infect others? | 18:47 |
| de-facto | that does not make any sense to me | 18:47 |
| Arsanerit | there are many rules that don't make sense | 18:48 |
| de-facto | "For schoolchildren and children in the childcare offers, the quarantine as a contact person can be ended after five days with a PCR or antigen rapid test, as they are integrated into serial test strategies. Exceptions to the quarantine are possible if there is a high level of protection (e.g. daily tests, mask requirement, etc.)." | 18:48 |
| de-facto | again: WTF?! | 18:48 |
| de-facto | we know already that incubation time (with Delta) is about 5 days, i know from friends that got a negative test that only started to become positive on 5th day | 18:49 |
| Arsanerit | 5 days after what? | 18:49 |
| Arsanerit | If I learn on Thursday that I was a contact person on Monday, is Thursday day 0 or day 3/ | 18:50 |
| de-facto | so again: if the purpose of quarantine is to prevent secondary infections, squeezing to the edge where many still test negative does NOT make any sense | 18:50 |
| de-facto | its those politicians that try to do compromises on biology again, not understanding that the virus does not care, every compromise is IN FAVOR of pathogen spread, with no exception | 18:51 |
| Arsanerit | It will spread. | 18:51 |
| LjL | I also had a tweet from Topol in my timeline with the same graph (and presumably study) as Brainstorm posted https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1479503598996258817 so maybe the study says something more detailed but from the graph it would look like a confirmation that having a rapid test positive while without symptoms is unlikely? | 18:52 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, after contact | 18:52 |
| de-facto | before it was 2 weeks quarantine for contacts | 18:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Cleveland Clinic Florida Postponing Non-Urgent Surgeries Amid Covid Surge → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rycwkg/cleveland_clinic_florida_postponing_nonurgent/ | 18:52 |
| Arsanerit | Except that this quarantine was never enforced. | 18:53 |
| Arsanerit | And probably the majority of contact persons never learn they were contact persons. | 18:53 |
| Arsanerit | I don't know what % of people use contact tracing through Corona-Warn-App or otherwise, but at no point when either my wife or me were contact persons were we ever contacted by Gesundheitsamt. | 18:54 |
| LjL | de-facto: the rules are similar now in Italy, no quarantine for boostered close contacts, not sure if we're all copycatting the CDC, or there is some coordination among EU countries that isn't obvious to us (a shame if there is but it is not transparent), or our countries just tend eventually copying one another. Anyway I assume they are worried about workforce while st the same time wanting to dangle a carrot to get people boostered | 18:54 |
| Arsanerit | I don't think they're still seriously trying to stop the spread of omicron, seeing that as an unreachable aim. | 18:55 |
| LjL | They have not being trying to "stop the spread" of anything except for a few countries like China, Australia, NZ... | 18:56 |
| Arsanerit | I guess they're just hoping cases in vaccinated / boostered people are mild enough as to not overwhelm hospitals. | 18:56 |
| de-facto | it does not make ANY sense to exempt boostered from quarantine. | 18:56 |
| LjL | But you still want to slow it down, presumably, given the US is now quickly nearing its maximum hospitalization ever | 18:56 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: It encourages people to get boostered. | 18:56 |
| de-facto | and boostered are majorities | 18:57 |
| LjL | Arsanerit: but they can easily pass it on to yet other prople | 18:57 |
| de-facto | why dont we get rid of quarantine then? | 18:57 |
| LjL | de-facto: the US pretty much has... | 18:57 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Yes, except in places where those other people aren't. | 18:57 |
| de-facto | what for do we need quarantine if boostered people are not being forced to quarantine? | 18:57 |
| Arsanerit | The quarantine rules have been weird for a while. | 18:58 |
| de-facto | i already get angry again when i see the first rules of our new government, what kind of experts did they employ there? | 18:58 |
| LjL | As usual, there were promises made more or less explicitly about how things would get easier and less stringent after vaccination. And now after boosters. Now they can either show they lied on those promises, or keep them even though they're not epidemiologically sound. | 18:58 |
| Arsanerit | Why does an unvaccinated person returning from hiking in France to Germany have to quarantine when the same person returning from a party inside Germany doesn't? | 18:58 |
| de-facto | my hope was they somehow would be able to stick to scientific approaches | 18:58 |
| -Bridgestorm- 🏠 地震! Earthquake! 5.9 M tremor, registered by GFZ,alomax, occurred 13 minutes ago (17:45:31 UTC), duing a crescent moon night, Hongshui, China (37.76, 101.3) ± 4 km likely felt 260 km away (in 永昌县…) by 235500 people (www.seismicportal.eu) | 18:59 | |
| de-facto | instead they do lobby stuff again | 18:59 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: Perhaps they optimise for other factors than you. | 18:59 |
| Arsanerit | Science cannot answer questions about political tradeoffs. | 18:59 |
| de-facto | obviously they do not aim to contain the spread, they will regret that later when hospitals are saturated | 18:59 |
| de-facto | now its exponentially cheaper to contain, later on it will be very expensive | 19:00 |
| de-facto | but oh well, its the same repeating over and over and over and over again | 19:00 |
| Arsanerit | How is it cheap now? | 19:00 |
| Arsanerit | Is the Xian lockdown cheap? | 19:00 |
| de-facto | because the spread is not progressed so far, hence synergistic effects will not kick in so soon | 19:01 |
| Arsanerit | Omicron is everywhere in Germany already. | 19:01 |
| de-facto | they will regret this, mark my words. | 19:02 |
| Arsanerit | How effective were quarantine rules at reducing the spread? | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Provinces likely to make vaccination mandatory, says federal health minister → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ryd3cc/provinces_likely_to_make_vaccination_mandatory/ | 19:02 |
| de-facto | very effective if people stick to the rules | 19:03 |
| de-facto | no contact no infection | 19:03 |
| LjL | Arsanerit: possibly very? The rules in Germany were never aiming for "zero covid", but Germany has overall fared much better than the other big European countries | 19:03 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: Do people stick to the rules? | 19:03 |
| de-facto | the ones i know yes | 19:04 |
| LjL | de-facto: tbf "very effective if" is not what he asked. As usual you have to look at how people implemented them in practice, not at an ideal world where everyone acts the way you'd act | 19:04 |
| de-facto | ok potentially very effective depending on how strict people stick to the rules | 19:04 |
| de-facto | and on if people get tested of course | 19:04 |
| Arsanerit | How do I get officially tested if I'm in quarantine? | 19:05 |
| -Bridgestorm- ⭕ 地震! Earthquake! 6.3 Mw tremor, registered by EMSC,GFZ,alomax, occurred 20 minutes ago (17:45:35 UTC), duing a crescent moon night, Hongshui, China (37.89, 101.32) ± 8 km likely felt 330 km away (in 永昌县, 金昌市…) by 705900 people (www.seismicportal.eu) | 19:05 | |
| Arsanerit | Is the phase of the moon relevant for earthquakes? | 19:06 |
| Arsanerit | sorry, that wass off-topic. | 19:06 |
| de-facto | how do you get in quarantine if you did not test and know its covid? | 19:06 |
| de-facto | for self tests, i guess you would call your doc and get a PCR? | 19:07 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: I was a contact person. | 19:07 |
| Arsanerit | I had a red warning from the Corona-Warn-App. | 19:07 |
| de-facto | then you would get a mask and go for an official test center i guess? | 19:07 |
| de-facto | after incubation time, but i guess people would mess up even such a simple thing | 19:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | Arsanerit: yes, if it's night (which is the only case when the bot posts it), because people ability to not get hurt when escaping outside depends on how much light they have, especially if public lighting fails which it often does during big earthquakes | 19:08 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: I did, but that required breaking quarantine | 19:09 |
| de-facto | yes i see your point | 19:09 |
| Arsanerit | The Corona-Warn-App told me at what point I was in contact with someone later tested positive. | 19:10 |
| Arsanerit | It did not tell me when that person tested positive. | 19:10 |
| Arsanerit | Therefore, I don't know when the incubation time would be. | 19:10 |
| de-facto | when i suspected i may have got it in early 2020 (had a unknown house dust allergy), i called my doc, made an appointment, put on a mask without valve and went there all outdoors by walking | 19:10 |
| de-facto | then waited outdoors until they called me in, did the PCR, then walked back masked outdoors | 19:11 |
| Arsanerit | I cycled to an outdoor drive-through test centre. | 19:11 |
| de-facto | waited isolated at home until i got the result | 19:11 |
| de-facto | yeah thats also a good idea indeed | 19:11 |
| LjL | Did Brainstorm post this metareview? | 19:12 |
| LjL | https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rudcpt/low_vitamin_d_levels_do_not_aggravate_covid19/ | 19:12 |
| Arsanerit | Should I still have stayed two weeks in quarantine despite the negative PCR test? Instructions are not clear really. | 19:12 |
| LjL | %title | 19:12 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.reddit.com: Low vitamin D levels do not aggravate COVID-19 risk or death, and vitamin D supplementation does not improve outcomes in hospitalized patients with COVID-19: a meta- analysis and GRADE assessment of [...] | 19:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 849: Arc of the epitope: TWiV kicks off 2022 with a review of the virology highlights of 2021, from three virologists, one immunologist, a science writer, and a partridge in a pear tree. → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-849/ | 19:12 |
| LjL | Interesting claim that they could ascertain that low D levels do not aggravate risk, considering how many studies had found an association | 19:13 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, i think it depends on the delay for PCR after potential contamination | 19:13 |
| Arsanerit | How are hospitals doing in Denmark, France, Italy, UK? | 19:14 |
| de-facto | its all a HUGE mess | 19:14 |
| Arsanerit | Has omicron overwhelmed hospitals anywhere? | 19:14 |
| de-facto | in UK numbers are rising | 19:14 |
| Arsanerit | Seems like Germany is taking the gamble that it probably won't. | 19:14 |
| LjL | Indeed, the story about vitamin D and that review is more complicated according to the first comments on reddit there, but like someone says, "The headline will be around the world before this level of nuance is understood." | 19:14 |
| Arsanerit | Without going so far as to do freedom day like UK and Denmark did. | 19:14 |
| de-facto | https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom | 19:15 |
| de-facto | does not look good at all | 19:15 |
| Arsanerit | I don't know. | 19:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Japan: +6070 cases (now 1.7 million) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +94208 cases (now 14.2 million), +2095460 tests (now 418.7 million, 4.4% positive) since 22 hours ago — Jamaica: +1269 cases (now 99463), +3 deaths (now 2489), +3864 tests (now 722449, 32.8% positive) since a day ago — Eritrea: +51 cases (now 8262), +1 deaths (now 80) since a day ago | 19:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Superior immunity that allows neutralization of all SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern develops in COVID-19 convalescents and naïve individuals after three vaccinations → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/rydma2/superior_immunity_that_allows_neutralization_of/ | 19:22 |
| LjL | <Arsanerit> Has omicron overwhelmed hospitals anywhere? ← https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1478940953943543811 https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1479474559858319364 | 19:26 |
| LjL | US is already about to top its record, and Israel doesn't look good at all although it's still very early | 19:27 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/hkIKfIu https://i.imgur.com/kBWboyf.png https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ | 19:29 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID UK: SARS-CoV-2 cases and hospitalizations - Album on Imgur | 19:29 |
| LjL | de-facto, look at the preprint in r/COVID19 above, now i don't know if they are biased in favor of vaccination, but it's somewhat consistent with what i was saying yesterday that "universal" antibodies (for either many variants of SARS-COV-2/1 or even all sarbecovirus) are potentially possible, although in my case i was suggesting doing it with multivalent vaccines while here they seem to claim that even 3 shorts of BNT do the trick | 19:29 |
| de-facto | made a plot from the data of https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk comparing cases and 100 * hospitalizations (to scale to similar size) on same time axis | 19:30 |
| de-facto | look at how closely both are related | 19:30 |
| -Bridgestorm- ⭕ 地震! Earthquake! 6.6 Mww tremor, registered by US,quakenotices, occurred 46 minutes ago (17:45:30 UTC), duing a crescent moon night, Hongshui, China (37.81, 101.29) ± 1 km, ↓10 km likely felt 400 km away (in 永昌县…) by 235500 people → https://t.co/L9IEkc5LXy (Twitter) | 19:33 | |
| LjL | de-facto, well... that 1 out of 100 gets hospitalized would be reasonably good news, considering that so far overall in italy, about 2.5% *died* | 19:34 |
| de-facto | what i mean is the following: if hospitalizations closely follow cases the filling up of hospitals ONLY can be prevented by preventing cases | 19:36 |
| de-facto | how long is average time from infection to hospitalization? | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 tests are so hard to find that console trackers are stepping in → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ryebbw/covid19_tests_are_so_hard_to_find_that_console/ | 19:50 |
| de-facto | LjL, what was that italian PDF link again for stats on hospitalizaiton time? | 19:53 |
| LjL | uh | 19:53 |
| LjL | i don't even remember what they were | 19:53 |
| LjL | probably something on ISS let me grep for iss in the logs | 19:54 |
| LjL | or something from Il Sole 24 Ore+ | 19:54 |
| LjL | de-facto, freenode/##covid-19/2021-03-26.log:[14:34:29] <de-facto> .tell LjL i guess you remember the clinical reports from Italy in regard to timespan for hospitalization and fatalities https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-analysis-of-deaths | 19:55 |
| de-facto | yes that one thanks | 19:55 |
| de-facto | Onset of symptoms -> hospitalization took a median of 5 days for deceased in Italy on Oct 5th 2021 | 19:59 |
| de-facto | so hmm maybe a week since test? | 19:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Florida COVID update: State breaks single-day record with 76,887 cases, and more in ICU → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ryek1a/florida_covid_update_state_breaks_singleday/ | 20:00 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.ons.gov.uk: Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics | 20:01 |
| de-facto | interestingly hospitalizations in UK started to spike in the very young and children | 20:03 |
| de-facto | so maybe those that did not get vaccination? | 20:03 |
| de-facto | thats not good for opening kindergarden and schools, especially since teachers may infect the children even when they get tested regularly | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Morocco: +6428 cases (now 990057), +13 deaths (now 14896), +35764 tests (now 11.0 million, 18.0% positive) since 22 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +5968 cases (now 444985), +16776 tests (now 2.6 million, 35.6% positive) since a day ago — Cuba: +1946 cases (now 972513) since 19 hours ago — Greenland: +591 cases (now 3995), +3226 tests (now 147681, 18.3% positive) since a day ago | 20:05 |
| trbp | de-facto: do you have any children? | 20:06 |
| de-facto | nope | 20:07 |
| de-facto | but thats not relevant | 20:08 |
| trbp | of course it is not | 20:08 |
| trbp | but it is relevant to speak about other persons children and their education | 20:09 |
| trbp | fearing to get severe problems later on in ones very own childrenless future | 20:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: South Africa COVID-19 Update January 7: 9,260 Cases and 140 deaths → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ryem2l/south_africa_covid19_update_january_7_9260_cases/ | 20:10 |
| trbp | and to accuse teachers about beeing through and through infectious | 20:10 |
| trbp | wait the last one can be reversed if needed the children do infect around all | 20:11 |
| de-facto | i am speaking about individuals that according to the data seem to be at risk, look at the links i just posted | 20:11 |
| de-facto | https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals | 20:11 |
| trbp | data | 20:11 |
| trbp | i am speaking about persons | 20:11 |
| trbp | you are speaking about data | 20:11 |
| de-facto | whatever | 20:11 |
| trbp | data that tells you if you are frank and clear that only 2% of the ill ones (mind you those who get ill not just infected) may die... but yeah children school teachers and vaccinations that still do not prevent those all are data | 20:12 |
| * critr laffs | 20:13 | |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: In omicron outbreak, US governors display little appetite for mandates → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ryezq0/in_omicron_outbreak_us_governors_display_little/ | 20:19 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/rq4e1sD https://i.imgur.com/4WtrwvO.png data source: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID UK: SARS-CoV-2 cases, hospitalizations, hospitalizations per cases - Album on Imgur | 20:26 |
| de-facto | i did make a plot for UK data from https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ smoothing by weekly rolling averages, then build the quotient of hospitalizations and cases (10 days ago) | 20:27 |
| de-facto | it seems there is not much change in the Omicron wave, and those 10 days i derived from trying to correlate the previous peaks of cases and hospitalizations in that dataset | 20:28 |
| LjL | https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/rya133/tifu_by_taking_high_dose_vitamin_d_for_over_a/ is this accurate? | 20:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/75/ | 20:39 |
| TurboTech | Good Afternoon. | 20:47 |
| de-facto | Hey TurboTech :) | 20:47 |
| Arsanerit | Herr Lauterbach says that when people are infected with omicron, they become infectious faster and finish being infectious faster (whole cycle faster) and that that's why the shorter quarantine times are justified | 20:47 |
| TurboTech | It's been a while | 20:47 |
| trbp | Arsanerit: yes but we of course need out of all this the third and fourth boosters | 20:48 |
| TurboTech | My house bacame a test tube this week. | 20:48 |
| Arsanerit | trbp: third booster = fifth dose? | 20:48 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, ok but do boostered people not get infected at all with Omicron? that would be new to me | 20:48 |
| trbp | because even the vax companies admit that their stuff does not work with omikron | 20:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virology.ws: Trial By Error: Dutch CBT Trial Targets “Dysfunctional Beliefs About Fatigue” in Long Covid Patients: By David Tuller, DrPH Since the emergence of the phenomenon now called “long Covid” (or Long COVID, depending [... want %more?] → https://www.virology.ws/2022/01/07/trial-by-error-dutch-cbt-trial-targets-dysfunctional-beliefs-about-fatigue-in-long-covid-patients/ | 20:48 |
| trbp | all makes sense | 20:48 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: He didn't elaborate why boostered contact persons don't need to quarantine at all. | 20:49 |
| Arsanerit | but the journalist didn't ask | 20:49 |
| de-facto | thats nonsensical imho, people that already got vaccinated do not need motivation to get boostered, | 20:49 |
| de-facto | and that is a large majority with a whole lot of contacts in everyday life | 20:49 |
| Arsanerit | hmm, some people who got pretty bad side-effects from 1st and 2nd dose may be not too excited about getting boostered | 20:50 |
| Arsanerit | but that's probably a minority | 20:50 |
| de-facto | so Omicron wave will gain a lot of dynamics by that | 20:50 |
| TurboTech | My stepson came home from living with his dad and two days later was having upper respiratory symptoms with a Fever of 102. I told my wife he more than likely has omicron and he did. | 20:50 |
| de-facto | in UK many young children seem to end up in hospital lately | 20:51 |
| de-facto | unfortunately | 20:51 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/hospitals | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.ons.gov.uk: Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics | 20:51 |
| TurboTech | I am using this infection as an intervention as well as observation. | 20:51 |
| de-facto | the peak mostly is in 0-4, 5-14 and 15-24 year olds | 20:52 |
| TurboTech | One person in my house refuses to get vaccinated (that is one arm). My wife has respiratory issues, that is another arm and I am the thrid arm in my study. | 20:52 |
| de-facto | age is very different and expectation value for severity may double each 5.75 years | 20:54 |
| de-facto | plus its not sufficiently many participants for anything representative | 20:54 |
| TurboTech | Everyoone I work with including my family was blasted from other family memebers who came down with Covid following Christmans and New Years parties. | 20:55 |
| TurboTech | None of use came down with it. | 20:56 |
| de-facto | lots of Omicron incidence taking place in TX? | 20:57 |
| TurboTech | Over 90% | 20:57 |
| de-facto | wow | 20:57 |
| TurboTech | My Hostpial has a 30% positivity rate | 20:57 |
| de-facto | whats the doubling times like? | 20:57 |
| TurboTech | Not sure about doubling. | 20:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Aivita Biomedical Inc: AV-COVID-19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/74/ | 20:58 |
| TurboTech | I am betting that no one in my family catches it from my Stepson. | 20:58 |
| TurboTech | I have a fair amount of real world data that gives me this thought. | 20:59 |
| de-facto | .title http://www.rki.de/covid-19-omikronbericht <-- this is the Omicron dynamic in Germany | 20:59 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.rki.de: Tägliche Übersicht zu Omikron-Fällen vom 07. Januar 2022 | 20:59 |
| TurboTech | Texas is not masking. | 21:00 |
| TurboTech | I know I am not. | 21:00 |
| de-facto | Omicron is both seroevasive and easily breaks through vaccination based on Wuhan-Hu-1 S-protein signature (e.g. modeRNA), so even when vaccinations prevent severe progressions people will get infected and also infect other people | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cyprus: +5244 cases (now 197401) since 23 hours ago — France: +481535 cases (now 11.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Kuwait: +2645 cases (now 428100), +35315 tests (now 6.1 million, 7.5% positive) since 21 hours ago — Cabo Verde: +2856 cases (now 48845), +3 deaths (now 360) since 23 hours ago | 21:01 |
| TurboTech | I tested this morning and I was PCR negative. | 21:03 |
| TurboTech | Will test again in 5 days | 21:04 |
| LjL | that France number can't be right... | 21:05 |
| TurboTech | I will say this. The Omicron (The amount of RNA shedding is amazing) It is causing PCR tests to take less time to reach positive threshold. | 21:05 |
| oerheks | :jLindeed, +328,214 today | 21:06 |
| oerheks | LjL, ^^ | 21:06 |
| TurboTech | Our turn around times for a one hour PCR test is now 45 minutes. | 21:06 |
| LjL | oerheks, and i actually get 11511452-11290010=221442 from the logs, so confusion galore | 21:06 |
| TurboTech | Some are turning positive in 35 minutes. | 21:06 |
| LjL | oh i forgot Brainstorm doesn't necessarily post the most recent delta but whatever covers the past 24 hours so, for starters, Covidly doesn't necessarily mirror official data, and then Brainstorm doesn't necessarily mirror Covidly data | 21:13 |
| xx | LjL: did you get a chance to try out that tape trick? | 21:14 |
| LjL | xx, nope, i'm bunkered in | 21:16 |
| xx | I'm bunkered in too, in a foreign country, where almost nobody speaks english | 21:17 |
| xx | can't get any tests | 21:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Arizona COVID-19 update: State adds about 14,900 new cases as omicron drives up infections → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ryg8wi/arizona_covid19_update_state_adds_about_14900_new/ | 21:17 |
| xx | I've had loss of taste+smell for just a day, with no breathing issues and no elevated temperature | 21:18 |
| xx | so no idea what to think of it | 21:18 |
| xx | or maybe the food at that time was just really really bland | 21:19 |
| xx | of the blood tests they do, can they differentiate between having been infected at some point vs having received vaccination? | 21:20 |
| LjL | some can | 21:20 |
| LjL | you need to get an N-protein assay | 21:20 |
| xx | so that's effectively testing for presence of anti-stuff against other parts of the virus than just the spike protein | 21:21 |
| xx | might be hard to differentiate once/if the attenuated virus vaccines come out | 21:22 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/KdW3ZNM https://i.imgur.com/dRrCtqX.png "COVID Germany: SARS-CoV-2 Omicron VoC cases" Data: http://www.rki.de/covid-19-omikronbericht Omicron[ t ] / 28527 = 2^(t/4.64) = 1.82^(t/4) = 1.56^(t/3) Doubling time t2 = 4.64 days Reproduction number Rt(4d) = 1.82 Reproduction number Rt(3d) = 1.56 | 21:23 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: SARS-CoV-2 Omicron VoC cases - Album on Imgur | 21:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Norwegian conscripts told to return underwear as Covid hits supplies → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rygimp/norwegian_conscripts_told_to_return_underwear_as/ | 21:27 |
| de-facto | meaning today (2022-01-07) we most likely got 81k Omicron infections in Germany RKI reports 56335 cases (all positive tests) so most likely there is some reporting delay involved | 21:28 |
| aradesh | ugh: https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1479532922952732672 | 21:30 |
| de-facto | soon we will see hundreds of thousands of daily new infections in Germany and our government so called "experts" remove quarantine from majorities (boostered) of contacts | 21:31 |
| aradesh | anti-vaxxers are pretty excited about that clip from sky news | 21:32 |
| TurboTech | New York is getting hammered. | 21:33 |
| de-facto | TurboTech, do you use new primers for identifying Omicron possibly due to some s-gene dropout? | 21:35 |
| de-facto | as proxy for sequencing? | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Severe outcomes rare after two COVID vaccine doses: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Jan 07, 2022 In another study, researchers found a third vaccine dose boosts immune response in cancer patients. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/severe-outcomes-rare-after-two-covid-vaccine-doses | 21:37 |
| de-facto | yes vaccines help very good against severe progressions, but not so good against infection and becoming infectious, hence wth would we remove quarantine of those that tested positive (hence most likely are highly infectious)? | 21:38 |
| aradesh | once that doctor gets struck off, he'll be able to have a successful career doing all the covid conspiracy interview circuit | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Fourth Covid jab not yet needed, JCVI says, as booster protecting older people → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/rygwkb/fourth_covid_jab_not_yet_needed_jcvi_says_as/ | 21:47 |
| tempate | I took an antigen test today, 7 days after having strong symptoms (fatigue, fever, and night sweats), and it came out positive | 21:53 |
| xx | sounds like the test is likely correct then | 21:54 |
| tempate | Should I remain in lockdown? | 21:54 |
| tempate | Or quarentine or whatever | 21:54 |
| genera | in hiding | 21:55 |
| xx | yes, unless you wish to possibly infect others, or worsen your own condition instead of recuperating | 21:55 |
| genera | it si called. no? | 21:55 |
| de-facto | yes isolate for 2 weeks stay away from other people to end infection chian | 21:55 |
| de-facto | infection chain | 21:55 |
| genera | you could offer other to infect them \o/ | 21:55 |
| genera | j/k | 21:55 |
| tempate | what happens if I test positive after another week? | 21:55 |
| de-facto | also avoid scenarios with high pulse rate not to stress your heart | 21:56 |
| tempate | I thought the quarentine for this variant was only a week | 21:56 |
| genera | i v heard you can ask for an pcr test, and then apply for an Recovered certificate | 21:56 |
| xx | genera: people do actually offer services where they infect others... | 21:57 |
| genera | the shorter quarantines are an experiment and it may fail | 21:58 |
| xx | *gasp* are you saying politicians are experimenting on the population??? | 22:00 |
| genera | lol | 22:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +143990 cases (now 35.4 million), +282 deaths (now 483193) since 21 hours ago — Niger: +301 cases (now 7891), +3 deaths (now 280) since 2 days ago | 22:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Nearly 3 in 10 COVID-19 tests recorded in Arizona coming back positive → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ryhp28/nearly_3_in_10_covid19_tests_recorded_in_arizona/ | 22:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Global COVID-19 case total passes 300 million mark: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Jan 07, 2022 Countries took new steps to slow the spread, and new UK data show boosters provide strong protection against severe Omicron infection. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/global-covid-19-case-total-passes-300-million-mark | 22:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron cases could fall just as quickly as they rose, CDC says → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ryi45k/omicron_cases_could_fall_just_as_quickly_as_they/ | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Long COVID could become Finland's largest chronic disease, warns minister → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ryicpn/long_covid_could_become_finlands_largest_chronic/ | 22:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | xx: attenuated vaccines are already out and widely used, just not in your corner of the world... | 22:53 |
| LjL-Matrix | But yeah that wouldn't work with them | 22:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Neuro-COVID long-haulers exhibit broad dysfunction in T cell memory generation and responses to vaccination → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ryimqt/neurocovid_longhaulers_exhibit_broad_dysfunction/ | 22:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Citing rise in hospitalized kids, CDC chief urges increased vaccination: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Jan 07, 2022 Currently, only 15% of younger children are vaccinated, compared to just over 50% of adolescents and teens. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/citing-rise-hospitalized-kids-cdc-chief-urges-increased-vaccination | 23:03 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.08.21261763v3 | 23:04 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Neuro-COVID long-haulers exhibit broad dysfunction in T cell memory generation and responses to vaccination | medRxiv | 23:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lebanon: +7974 cases (now 761853), +19 deaths (now 9250) since 22 hours ago — Qatar: +3192 cases (now 263475), +6544 tests (now 3.2 million, 48.8% positive today) since a day ago — French Guiana: +2170 cases (now 55980), +1 deaths (now 343) since 20 hours ago [... want %more?] | 23:05 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.pnas.org/content/118/49/e2110117118 | 23:33 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.pnas.org: An upper bound on one-to-one exposure to infectious human respiratory particles | PNAS | 23:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 hospitalizations drop for first time since Christmas Eve → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ryjqge/covid19_hospitalizations_drop_for_first_time/ | 23:41 |
| de-facto | "There is ample evidence that masking and social distancing are effective in reducing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) transmission. However, due to the complexity of airborne disease transmission, it is difficult to quantify their effectiveness, especially in the case of one-to-one exposure." | 23:46 |
| de-facto | "Here, we introduce the concept of an upper bound for one-to-one exposure to infectious human respiratory particles and apply it to SARS-CoV-2." | 23:47 |
| de-facto | "To calculate exposure and infection risk, we use a comprehensive database on respiratory particle size distribution; exhalation flow physics; leakage from face masks of various types and fits measured on human subjects; consideration of ambient particle shrinkage due to evaporation; and rehydration, inhalability, and deposition in the susceptible airways." | 23:47 |
| de-facto | "We find, for a typical SARS-CoV-2 viral load and infectious dose, that social distancing alone, even at 3.0 m between two speaking individuals, leads to an upper bound of 90% for risk of infection after a few minutes." | 23:47 |
| de-facto | "If only the susceptible wears a face mask with infectious speaking at a distance of 1.5 m, the upper bound drops very significantly; that is, with a surgical mask, the upper bound reaches 90% after 30 min, and, with an FFP2 mask, it remains at about 20% even after 1 h." | 23:47 |
| de-facto | "When both wear a surgical mask, while the infectious is speaking, the very conservative upper bound remains below 30% after 1 h, but, when both wear a well-fitting FFP2 mask, it is 0.4%. We conclude that wearing appropriate masks in the community provides excellent protection for others and oneself, and makes social distancing less important." | 23:47 |
| de-facto | LjL, ^^ | 23:47 |
| Arsanerit | for omicron? | 23:49 |
| de-facto | for Delta, Omicron may be similar | 23:51 |
| de-facto | "Wearing face masks and maintaining social distance are familiar to many people around the world during the ongoing SARSCoV-2 pandemic." | 23:51 |
| xx | I have a business idea. Create a safe gas that can be mass produced and mass released in cities, that smells absolutely horrible, and is filtered completely by maskss | 23:51 |
| de-facto | "Evidence suggests that these are effective ways to reduce the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection. However, it is not clear how exactly the risk of infection is affected by wearing a mask during close personal encounters or by social distancing without a mask. " | 23:51 |
| de-facto | "Our results show that face masks significantly reduce the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection compared to social distancing. We find a very low risk of infection when everyone wears a face mask, even if it doesn’t fit perfectly on the face." | 23:51 |
| xx | like, start releasing this gas from airplanes | 23:52 |
| de-facto | xx gases are not filtered by masks at all | 23:52 |
| de-facto | not by particle masks | 23:52 |
| xx | yeah, "gas" then, to mean some particles suspended in air that smell bad | 23:52 |
| de-facto | air pollution like smog in Chinese cities? | 23:54 |
| de-facto | idk if that is desirable | 23:54 |
| LjL | de-facto: yeah even the best studies on this are a bit rule-of-thumby but I do think it's bad to do what we've done here i.e. only require masking "when social distancing rules aren't met". People will wear or not wear masks kind of as they wish anyway... But it sends entirely the wrong message, the famous message that if you are more than 2m (or 1m in Italy and by WHO rules) apart an/or less than 15 minutes in contact, you're magically safe. | 23:56 |
| LjL | Instead masks could make you safer but you send the message they are only needed "when you can't do other things" | 23:57 |
| xx | wrong messages were being sent through this entire pandemic and still are | 23:59 |
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