| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. CDC advises Americans to avoid travel to Canada, cites pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s0wx0j/us_cdc_advises_americans_to_avoid_travel_to/ | 00:00 |
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| vlad_ | de-facto: oh thanks, I will write that down because that's the area where I'm definitely lacking in here | 00:00 |
| de-facto | just make sure not to exaggerate, only normal amounts of everything, no double doses (by combining different brands etc) | 00:01 |
| vlad_ | de-facto: thank you very much for all information, I will head to sleep now as it's past midnight here, I need to be fresh tomorrow before vaccination and head out to find this ffp2/3 mask before that | 00:07 |
| vlad_ | See you tomorrow, I will be back with impressions after my 1st dose :). Good night! | 00:09 |
| Tuvix | Sounds good, and maybe consider letting a friend or family member know how easy it was to sign up and go get your first step in staying protected. Sometimes a personal story matters more than any science. | 00:09 |
| de-facto | you are welcome, good night :) | 00:09 |
| Tuvix | Stay safe, and glad you got some info to help! | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Brazil: +29512 cases since 19 hours ago — Lebanon: +6653 cases, +15 deaths since a day ago — India: +161505 cases since 17 hours ago — Bahrain: +1894 cases, +24642 tests (7.7% positive) since a day ago | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Durability and cross-reactivity of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine in adolescent children → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s0x0dc/durability_and_crossreactivity_of_sarscov2_mrna/ | 00:09 |
| vlad_ | Tuvix: of course, thank you! | 00:10 |
| * enyc wonders what anybody makes of the N95 reuse/rotate info here: https://www.popsci.com/diy/ultimate-n95-mask-guide/ | 00:12 | |
| Tuvix | enyc: Overall that section looks really good. The 3 thing that you can self-identify that would suggest an N95 (or similar) mask is no longer great for use would be 1) problems getting a good fit to the face for a quality seal, 2) wear on the straps that also result in fit problems due to lack of tension, 3) becoming overly damp or soiled (excess moisture from being worn can be left to dry, but over time | 00:17 |
| Tuvix | this will still result in degredation of the filtering over repeated exposure.) | 00:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron: Vaccines remain the best defence against this COVID-19 variant and others → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s0x5uj/omicron_vaccines_remain_the_best_defence_against/ | 00:19 |
| Tuvix | The rotation recommendation is decent since it lets the masks dry out more effectively and after a full day or two any virus (for COVID anyway) won't survive. Just be sure to store them in a breathable bag, NOT plastic or any airtight container. I use a paper bag for me so it'll breathe and avoid dust. | 00:20 |
| de-facto | i just hang them freely by the straps | 00:21 |
| de-facto | outside surface may be contaminated, hence never touch it with anything | 00:21 |
| gry | i hang my mask on my bicycle, by the straps | 00:22 |
| de-facto | maybe sunlight also may be good for increasing contamination degradation rates, but also may attack rubber straps | 00:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: How to get insurance to pay for at-home COVID tests, according to the White House: The Biden administration says Americans should be able to order COVID tests online later this month. Those who are eligible can get eight free over-the-counter [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/10/1071899471/insurance-at-home-covid-tests-white-house | 00:28 |
| LjL | de-facto, yeah those are the same i added i think, funny the actual PDF is in dual language but the place you must download it from is DE only | 00:28 |
| de-facto | maybe they assumed international interest when writing the pdf but not the page? not sure | 00:30 |
| de-facto | i guess those probably can be found in EU market places, not just DE | 00:30 |
| de-facto | most of them are produced in China and then imported by some companies that may put their localized branding on them (probably those that also registered the product with PEI etc) | 00:32 |
| de-facto | many more are listed on here, but afaik those are only with the manufacturers testing themselves https://www.bfarm.de/DE/Medizinprodukte/Aufgaben/Spezialthemen/Antigentests/_node.html | 00:34 |
| de-facto | https://antigentest.bfarm.de/ords/f?p=ANTIGENTESTS-AUF-SARS-COV-2:TESTS-ZUR-EIGENANWENDUNG-DURCH-LAIEN:5837855658226:::::&tz=1:00 | 00:35 |
| de-facto | ah they have a column "Evaluated by PEI" | 00:35 |
| de-facto | PE = Paul Ehrlich Institut, for approval of medical products such as vaccinations | 00:36 |
| Tuvix | I should perhaps do a more detailed comparison of both the changing ratio of each month's death by age-group and perhaps incidence rate among their respective populations, but here's a summary of the changing ages impacted by COVID mortality in the US at each of the 3 broad surges we've had: https://imgur.com/a/5KLFM3I | 00:44 |
| Tuvix | The top impacted age group through Delta was the 50-64 year olds, with a notable uptick (both ratio of the worst-performing group and raw death totals) in the next 3 lower groups compared to earlier waves. | 00:45 |
| Tuvix | Well, not "through Delta" but "as of Delta" | 00:45 |
| LjL | dTal, https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#What_is_UEFI_Secure_Boot_NOT.3F i guess if *they* bought into this shit... | 00:49 |
| LjL | de-facto, my cousin has done a silly thing but i think it's too late now to stop her. i would like to know the tests she's used though | 00:49 |
| gry | is there a summary of how well boosters are tolerated by adults on average | 00:49 |
| mrdata | side effects of mine were quite mild | 00:51 |
| mrdata | (moderna) | 00:51 |
| Tuvix | gry: Very similar to the initial series, if you're looking to compare the two. This summary looks pretty good, and has links to more clinical information if that's what you were after: https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2021/booster-shot-side-effects.html | 00:55 |
| de-facto | i did not even got a headache from booster anymore, so i guess also milder (50µg mRNA-1273) | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Hospitals nationwide are buckling under omicron as cases continue to spike → https://arstechnica.com/ | 00:56 |
| de-facto | Tuvix, nice plots, actually thats a 3D dataset so maybe a 2D plane with a heatmap could show those? e.g. x-axis time, y-axis age groups and color fatality rates? | 00:57 |
| Tuvix | All 3 of my doses have been Pfizer, and while all of my side-effects were very mild, the 3rd was even less of a problem. Other than a slightly sore arm for about a day (common with almost any vaccination) I had basically no change at all. | 00:57 |
| gry | do '5-11' yo kids need to have a 3-5 days rest to reduce risk of heart inflammation | 00:58 |
| gry | i know i can ask this to the doctor/nurse on the day, but still - can help with planning/cancelling few events around the day | 00:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +88352 cases, +51 deaths, +139741 tests (63.2% positive) since 23 hours ago — Botswana: +2577 cases, +22 deaths since 3 days ago — Andorra: +1575 cases since 2 days ago — Rwanda: +758 cases, +9 deaths since a day ago | 00:59 |
| Tuvix | Yea, your GP doctor would be the best to ask (as they'll be familiar with the case specifically.) In general I wouldn't really worry much since only Pfizer is approved for the younger age-group (Moderna appears to have a slightly higher risk of myocarditis) but keep in mind we're talking very low incidence rates. For Pfizer, prior data shows a 2.7/100,000 incidence rate of that in the under-18 age-group. | 01:00 |
| Tuvix | That's 4x less than the risk of myocarditis from *catching* COVID, so keep that in mind when balancing risk. | 01:01 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/wVdpYNw https://i.imgur.com/agebl82.png src https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Wochenbericht/Wochenbericht_2022-01-06.pdf?__blob=publicationFile | 01:01 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: Weekly Incidence per 100k citizens by age groups - Album on Imgur | 01:01 |
| de-facto | Tuvix, thats the incidence (of infections) in Germany by age group | 01:01 |
| Tuvix | gry: Or to put that in a percentage risk, that's 0.0027%. | 01:02 |
| de-facto | gry, i would go with 2 weeks | 01:02 |
| gry | two weeks no sport after vaccinating? | 01:02 |
| de-facto | yup | 01:03 |
| gry | for everyone or for kids only | 01:03 |
| de-facto | for everyone | 01:03 |
| gry | okay | 01:03 |
| de-facto | but moderate movement is important to reduce thrombosis risk, so not just sitting at home, be active go for a walk, just not for run or other things that elevate pulse rates significantly putting stress on the heart muscle | 01:04 |
| de-facto | so the goal is good food, sleep, circulation, hydration, metabolism, but no stress | 01:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Unvaccinated banned from Italian bars, restaurants, public transport - Italian prime minister Mario Draghi criticized the jab-less, who he claimed were the cause of "most of the problems" → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s0ycwh/unvaccinated_banned_from_italian_bars_restaurants/ | 01:06 |
| gry | public transport? that's a bit baffling for those who don't have any other means to transport themselves | 01:06 |
| Tuvix | And yet the risk if you have lots of unvaccinated people in a small space with often poor airflow is that many of the unvaccinated fill up hospitals. | 01:07 |
| Tuvix | If you were a leader of that region and you *had* to do something to stop hospitals from filling up so fast, might that seem a reasonable approach if you had no better alternatives? Would a failing hospital framework be a better alternative? | 01:08 |
| Tuvix | These are the kinds of tough choices political leaders have to make… | 01:08 |
| Tuvix | They're both bad options; sometimes you have to go with something that has the least impact overall, because any action, including the action of doing nothing, has consequences. | 01:09 |
| LjL | how i love people who are like "i don't think this should be real so it probably isn't real and i discount you saying it's real" https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s0ycwh/unvaccinated_banned_from_italian_bars_restaurants/hs4wta1/ | 01:11 |
| Tuvix | Let's use a more obvious example: let's say I worked in a lab that dealt with smallpox (which we no longer vaccinate for as a disease no longer in circulation) but became infected through a lab accident. Would it be OK for me to go on public transit because that's how I get to and from my job, groceries, and basic supplies? | 01:12 |
| LjL | it takes him 1 minute to write that sentence, and 20 minutes for me to find and sum up all the laws and today's press conference and stuff to prove it's true | 01:12 |
| LjL | and then he'll probably just go "oh i can't read italian anyway" | 01:12 |
| de-facto | no excuse in times of google | 01:13 |
| Tuvix | LjL: Yes, attribution unknown, but, "The amount of effort required to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude greater than that to produce it." | 01:14 |
| Dredd | "I haven't heard anything about..." <- in comment on news where they are hearing about it 🤦♂️ | 01:14 |
| de-facto | well with the benefit of compiling a useful set of information | 01:15 |
| Dredd | The logic is impeccable | 01:15 |
| Dredd | Now lets all just be like "I haven't heard about this covid virus, I think it's been exaggerated" and everything will be normal again | 01:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid PCR tests end for asymptomatic cases in England: A positive lateral flow result can now be taken as a first and final confirmation that you have Covid. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59944057 | 01:15 |
| Dredd | Tuvix: At least! | 01:16 |
| de-facto | the original cite is shortened too much, cant read it | 01:16 |
| Dredd | I think I can get the BS efficiencies up much higher than that | 01:16 |
| Tuvix | Our ex-POTUS sure did, so I'm sure you can. | 01:16 |
| Tuvix | Sadly that's most of that entier party now, including a sitting US Federal Senator in my state who publicly states unverified and false COVID information :\ | 01:17 |
| Dredd | He was a pioneer in the field | 01:17 |
| Tuvix | entier* | 01:17 |
| Dredd | Everyone thought we understood the full scope of BS physics but he showed us there were things outside the standard model of shitbullery | 01:18 |
| Tuvix | He more or less broke norms in a way no one before him had, not even another disgraced former president, Richard Nixon. | 01:18 |
| Dredd | I heard that the political party you're talking about is now referring to the capital riots as a peaceful protest lol | 01:18 |
| Tuvix | Nixon made a lot of mistakes to be sure, but he stepped down when it was clear he was caught and there was no way out. | 01:18 |
| Dredd | Yeah, honestly I thought they were going to take away his comms when he took office | 01:19 |
| Dredd | But no, Trump showed us a president can just go on Twitter and swear at people | 01:19 |
| xx | banning unvaccinated from pubs/restaurants is the wrong move. Instead they should ban people who test positive. | 01:19 |
| Dredd | and tell anyone they're wrong because he's said they're wrong a lot of times | 01:19 |
| Tuvix | Sure, that's even a right enshrined in our constitution. Again, it's just not normal (or frankly ethical) to do that in such a position. | 01:19 |
| Dredd | And also that it's totally fine to call in live to fox news and rant | 01:19 |
| Dredd | Yup, that's what I mean 😀 | 01:20 |
| Dredd | There's just no penalty for breaking those "rules" it seems | 01:20 |
| Dredd | If you decide you don't want to play the game | 01:20 |
| Tuvix | The real tragety is that we're seeing impact of those years and the changes in those norms today, with more people questioning science in ways they may not have except for the misinformation they received over the last 5 years. | 01:20 |
| Tuvix | Well, there used to be penalities for breaking those normals of social behavior. That used to destroy political careers. | 01:21 |
| Dredd | He definitely fomented the concept of "alternative facts" alright 😀 | 01:22 |
| Tuvix | It's not a US-specific problem either; some other countries have shown similar trends by various leaders. | 01:22 |
| Dredd | Yeah, just not really to such an extent as the orange man 😀 | 01:23 |
| Dredd | I find Boris to be like the British Trump-lite | 01:23 |
| Dredd | He is very comfortable outright lying | 01:23 |
| Dredd | and just says he didn't | 01:23 |
| Dredd | lol | 01:23 |
| Dredd | When caught out | 01:23 |
| Tuvix | A bit, sure, or the far-right French party, or Brazil's president; there are a number of examples of similar kinds of approches and public statements, broadly speaking. | 01:23 |
| Dredd | He hasn't gone as far as telling the press that they will basically lose their job unless they ask him nice questions and don't be so mean yet | 01:24 |
| Dredd | Oh yeah, there was Farage over her but then he largely buggered off to the US and no one cared about him anymore after Brexit | 01:24 |
| Tuvix | I'd generalize a lot of this as an 'Us vs. Them' approach, and focusing on making your voters angry instead of rallying behind what you want to do. | 01:24 |
| Dredd | But honestly he should get a lot of credit for that happening | 01:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vaccine found to get rid of cells behind diseases due to aging → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s0yu8m/vaccine_found_to_get_rid_of_cells_behind_diseases/ | 01:25 |
| LjL | this kinda bothers me about mandatory vaccinations: https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s0ycwh/unvaccinated_banned_from_italian_bars_restaurants/hs4yqlk/ | 01:30 |
| LjL | people will all be like "if we could get 90% vaccinated, there would be no need for mandates". and Draghi himself had said the exact same in September. but, guess what, we're at 89%, oh no that's not 90%! must vaccinate | 01:31 |
| LjL | gets a bit weak | 01:31 |
| LjL | Dredd, Tuvix: anyway if you refresh, i've gathered all the goddam info, and translated some, to hopefully convince them | 01:31 |
| LjL | because i have nothing better to do | 01:31 |
| rpifan | well the germans are also pushing this bs | 01:31 |
| LjL | except fixing a Debian that just won't work | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Florida has another weekend surge in coronavirus cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s0z01n/florida_has_another_weekend_surge_in_coronavirus/ | 01:34 |
| Tuvix | The problem is that vaccination isn't some magic target, and things like boosters makes that harder if that turns out to be needed, or mitigations are required to limit a localized hotspot or outbreak. | 01:34 |
| rpifan | write a new kernel | 01:34 |
| LjL | Tuvix, then maybe they shouldn't have said they'd not mandate it unless we didn't reach first 70%, then 80%, then 90% | 01:36 |
| de-facto | many other vaccinations are 3 doses too, just saying | 01:36 |
| LjL | with this continuous goalpost moving, if i were even a bit against the vaccines, i'd be *mad* now | 01:36 |
| LjL | and, surprise! they *are* mad | 01:36 |
| xx | I am against vaccinations being recognized as a proof of non-infectivity | 01:44 |
| xx | yet that's what most politician statements sound like | 01:44 |
| xx | covid would not be over even if 100% of people were vaccinated | 01:44 |
| xx | would still spread, would still put people in hospitals, would still kill people - and all of that in numbers that cannot be ignored | 01:45 |
| Tuvix | Sure, but it would likely have stopped hospitals from being unable to function properly as is the case in much of the world where getting a vaccine is not the problem, but the willingness to do so. | 01:45 |
| Tuvix | I agree that there would still be spread, and still be death, and other mitigations would still be required. But it wouldn't be this bad during surges. | 01:46 |
| xx | what's the latest proportion of vaxxed vs unvaxxed taking up a hospital bed (not necessarily ICU)? Isn't it like mostly (i.e. >50%) *vaxxed* people in hospitals now, just because so many people already are vaxxed? | 01:47 |
| LjL | are these people all just morons? https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s0ycwh/unvaccinated_banned_from_italian_bars_restaurants/hs50fek/ i very specifically say "eligible population" and explain what counts, and what used to count until recently, and they go "weird, elsewhere i read 75%" | 01:48 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14319203 <-- hmm not sure what one should think of this, maybe fatality rate is not what actually would transport selection on human genome by coronavirus (if such things would be accurate) | 01:48 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.asahi.com: Scientists: virus infection could cause infertility in males | The Asahi Shimbun: Breaking News, Japan News and Analysis | 01:48 |
| xx | LjL: people are morons in general, so it's representative | 01:49 |
| LjL | i guess | 01:49 |
| rpifan | well germany already banned unvaxed ppl from resturants forever ao | 01:49 |
| rpifan | ago | 01:49 |
| xx | is germany that country where people wear that star-of-david-lookalike armband to indicate being unvaxxed? | 01:50 |
| Tuvix | Meanwhile here I could go to any of 4 bars I can walk to in under 20 minutes, and almost surely find lots of unvaccainted, maskless people boisterously talking and laughing shoulder-to-shoulder. | 01:50 |
| LjL | rpifan, they were already banned from sitting here, now they banned them from standing | 01:51 |
| LjL | big difference | 01:51 |
| LjL | and by big difference i mean... whatever | 01:51 |
| xx | LjL: well they haven't banned them from lying on the floor yet | 01:51 |
| rpifan | xx, pretty much | 01:51 |
| rpifan | its getting more and more pointlessly ridiculous | 01:51 |
| LjL | xx, maybe 2000 years from now people will be studying the ancient italian custom of eating while lying on the floor | 01:52 |
| xx | heh | 01:52 |
| rpifan | the problem with germany is simple the govt wont do shit and instead is shifting the problems onto the population | 01:52 |
| LjL | heck, maybe that's why the romans had triclinia! | 01:52 |
| rpifan | and since they dont know what to do they jsut invent useles crap | 01:52 |
| de-facto | vaccination takes significant load from hospitals, they prevent 4 out of each 5 hospitalizations | 01:52 |
| de-facto | so i would not call it useless crap to push for more citizens to get protected from landing on the respirator | 01:53 |
| de-facto | *ventilator | 01:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. hospitalizations have surpassed last winter’s peak. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s0zbks/us_hospitalizations_have_surpassed_last_winters/ | 01:53 |
| xx | omicron increases the numbers sufficiently for hospitals to still be overloaded anyway | 01:53 |
| rpifan | but thats not the way | 01:54 |
| xx | ty Brainstorm | 01:54 |
| Tuvix | A doctor interviewed for a radio podcast I listen to was describing how some unvaccinated who end up in his ICU (or sometimes the infected's concerned family members) are asking if they can get vaccinated now that they're on the hospital bed risking death. It's gotta suck to be asked that far too late for it to matter :( | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | You're welcome... | 01:54 |
| rpifan | already its very very clear that ppl will get vaccianted with novavax | 01:54 |
| rpifan | that wont get vaccinated with other vaccines | 01:54 |
| rpifan | including me | 01:54 |
| rpifan | so instead they should be speeding up the distrbution of new vaccines | 01:54 |
| rpifan | you can look at any antivax forum and ppl are very divided and lots of them are willing to go for novavax | 01:55 |
| xx | rpifan: but how can you trust novavax, when it hasn't been applied to as many test subjects as the other vaccines? | 01:55 |
| rpifan | older tech basically | 01:55 |
| de-facto | the vaccines we got are probably one of the best tested vaccines ever, billions of doses given under very strict observation globally and observed by many independent parties | 01:55 |
| Tuvix | xx: Not really, no; that ICUs and those who die, it is overwhelmingly the unvaccinated in those beds; many US hospitals are reporting 80% to 90% are unvaccinated. That would literally make the difference during the current surge between "no ICU beds at all" (including for non-COVID emergencies) and having enough beds. | 01:55 |
| rpifan | ehh | 01:55 |
| Tuvix | Saying that it wouldn't make a difference is completely false. | 01:55 |
| rpifan | i know plenty of ppl who wont get another vac | 01:55 |
| rpifan | because of bad effects from the other 3 | 01:56 |
| rpifan | and of course the hospital tells them they are on their own | 01:56 |
| rpifan | why risk it | 01:56 |
| Tuvix | If they could remove 90% of the critical COVID ICU patients, and perhaps 60-80% of the non-critical COVID patients, our hospitals would be in a much, much better state. | 01:56 |
| de-facto | all people i know got 3 times mRNA vaccines, none of them got any side effects that went beyond a bit headache or sore arm for a few days | 01:57 |
| rpifan | this was a young good looking healthy guy | 01:57 |
| rpifan | who apparently is totally fucked over | 01:57 |
| rpifan | i dont see why id risk an mrna vac | 01:58 |
| rpifan | when a prefectly old school traditional vaccine is about to be delivered | 01:58 |
| Tuvix | That's not the right way to look at risk mitigation. Some airplanes have crashed, so do you also refuse to fly on one ever? Even if say an island you were on had a natural disaster predicted with serious risks to your life? The way to evalute risk is somewhat similar here. | 01:59 |
| Tuvix | Be very careful using a case study out of context, and without having the facts. "totally fucked over" doesn't sound like a medical diagnostic claim to me. | 01:59 |
| Tuvix | May I ask what doctor gave that as the differential? | 02:00 |
| rpifan | well i dont fly | 02:01 |
| rpifan | i dont like airplanes | 02:01 |
| rpifan | i travel by land sea | 02:01 |
| rpifan | etc | 02:01 |
| Tuvix | Cars have crashed too. Getting in one could be dangerous. I've heard of people "totally fucked over" from that too. An 18 year old I know died from a car this past year. | 02:01 |
| Tuvix | He too was a "young good looking healthy guy" | 02:02 |
| rpifan | well i dont liek cars either | 02:02 |
| rpifan | i avoid them when possible | 02:02 |
| rpifan | Tuvix, dont bother arguging with me just be happy im not a total antivaxer and i will get vaxxed | 02:03 |
| rpifan | even if i have to walk to the next country to get it sooner | 02:03 |
| rpifan | ill do it | 02:03 |
| Tuvix | I'm not so much taking issue with your specific case (do what you feel is best for your situation) but the logic being used. | 02:03 |
| rpifan | im tired of this vaccine bs, just want to take something and get it done with | 02:03 |
| Tuvix | Not even just for your benefit, but the benefit of anyone lurking who may be helped by a bit more useful context and discussion. | 02:03 |
| camelia[m] | lurker checking in | 02:04 |
| camelia[m] | if i get sick with covid, do i have to isolate until i stop coughing? | 02:05 |
| rpifan | minimum 14 days | 02:05 |
| rpifan | in europe | 02:05 |
| camelia[m] | aka when would a person stop being contagious? | 02:05 |
| rpifan | and hten a second covid test | 02:05 |
| camelia[m] | what happens if someone is still coughing on day 15? | 02:06 |
| LjL | camelia[m], it's not the same for all people, but you should get another test usually | 02:06 |
| LjL | camelia[m], in my country, if the rules haven't changed recently, after 21 days from your first positive PCR, you can break quarantine even if you're still positive | 02:06 |
| Tuvix | camelia[m]: I'll predicate this by saying you at minimum want to follow your country or locality's requirements. As to how long you're contagious, some data from a recent study indicates that up to 10-days after your positive case is possible, but there's a lot of variation: https://imgur.com/4W0x7xA | 02:06 |
| Tuvix | So, that chart shows (according to the UKHSA study used) that even after 10 days 5% of those testing positive can still be contagious. | 02:07 |
| camelia[m] | LjL: i get why they're saying this, too many evictions otherwise if no social safety nets | 02:07 |
| LjL | camelia[m], it's more that some people just stay positive for *months* | 02:08 |
| LjL | and you can't just keep them locked in for months | 02:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Australia: +81215 cases, +26 deaths since 22 hours ago — Bulgaria: +6761 cases, +116 deaths, +55559 tests (12.2% positive) since a day ago — Uruguay: +6757 cases, +7 deaths, +48878 tests (13.8% positive) since a day ago — Norway: +6540 cases, +82463 tests (7.9% positive) since a day ago | 02:08 |
| LjL | but there's no clear evidence that they're still infectious, if anything there's evidence they're not | 02:08 |
| LjL | initially they would have to stay quarantined, but back then we didn't know some people just had viral RNA around for so long | 02:08 |
| camelia[m] | if i had to stay locked up for 21 days, i'd be evicted | 02:09 |
| camelia[m] | #pay-to-pay-check-life :( | 02:10 |
| Tuvix | It'd be worth askig your employer what they're able to do, since most business owners would rather not have other staff infected if they can avoid it (and may even be willing to pay for sick leave to avoid that, even if you don't technically have any available.) Otherwise, mitigations remain important if you have no choice but to leave before a practical isiolation period for whatever reason. Quality | 02:12 |
| Tuvix | masks, worn correctly, can make a big difference. | 02:12 |
| -Bridgestorm- ⭕ Σεισμός? Deprem? Earthquake? M6+ estimated tremor, registered by alomax, with 13 reports, 10 early, possibly occurred 7 minutes ago (01:07:46 UTC), duing a gibbous moon night, Cyprus Region (35.43, 31.75) ± 86 km, ↓1 km likely felt 330 km away (in Antalya…) by 3.4 million people with 2 nearby reactors (www.seismicportal.eu) | 02:15 | |
| camelia[m] | true, good advice | 02:16 |
| camelia[m] | thanks chaps! | 02:16 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.pnas.org/content/118/49/e2110117118 | 02:16 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.pnas.org: An upper bound on one-to-one exposure to infectious human respiratory particles | PNAS | 02:16 |
| de-facto | estimations on worst case transmission rates mitigated by wearing different kinds of masks ^^ | 02:17 |
| camelia[m] | de-facto: wow amazing! | 02:20 |
| camelia[m] | Now a big problem for like respirators, it's hard to maintain yelling at work for 8 hours so people can hear you | 02:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: The president of Mexico says he has COVID for a 2nd time: President Andrés Manuel López Obrador wrote that he tested positive, after he had sounded hoarse at a morning news briefing. He contracted COVID-19 and recovered from it [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/10/1071975804/mexico-president-andres-lopez-obrador-covid-positive | 02:21 |
| LjL | hmm how many re-infected heads of state / PMs do we have? | 02:22 |
| Tuvix | camelia[m]: Someone needs to get you a megaphone then ;) | 02:22 |
| camelia[m] | 👍️ | 02:24 |
| Tuvix | I've worked with pilots who can use their headsets in the cockpit fine with a mask, so it's really a matter of finding the right solution to those kinds of problems. Also keep in mind things like shouting spreads a lot more particle matter than baseline beathing, though either can result in spreading infection. | 02:24 |
| Tuvix | Moreso with Omicron given its high transmission rates. | 02:24 |
| camelia[m] | the best strat is work from | 02:28 |
| camelia[m] | home | 02:28 |
| camelia[m] | or outdoor job | 02:28 |
| camelia[m] | but def outdoor hangouts with friends/fam to starve off insanity | 02:28 |
| camelia[m] | is it spelt 'stave' off insanity? | 02:29 |
| rpifan | crazy that we are gettting second infectiosn already | 02:30 |
| Tuvix | Yea, 'stave off' is the correct use. | 02:30 |
| Tuvix | And sure, outdoors is great since the risk is far far lower, perhaps with the exception fo very large crowds. | 02:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: CDC report suggests COVID increases risk of diabetes in children → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s108tq/cdc_report_suggests_covid_increases_risk_of/ | 02:31 |
| de-facto | outdoors transmission may be more due to ballistic droplets "spitting into each others faces" while indoors aerosol could accumulate for longer times hence contribute more to infection rates | 02:39 |
| LjL | lately the air has been terrible enough around here that i wear a mask outdoors regardless of people being around | 02:40 |
| LjL | like, sometimes i take it off, and go "ew, this smells bad", and put it back on | 02:40 |
| de-facto | so outdoors either covering mouth (by any type of masks to block the droplets trajectory) or staying at distances that may ensure most of those droplets (even when launched upwards) did fall already below the face "entry door" may help already while indoors necessity to reduce aerosol contamination dose for exposure time requires airtight (at the edge) masks with good filtering capabilities | 02:41 |
| Tuvix | Not to mention spitting in your friends' faces is a good way to get uninvited from those events. | 02:43 |
| de-facto | surely gathering large crowds may also accumulate aerosol outdoors, just imagine placing "virtual" smokers inside such crowds (with similar prevalence to current potential covid carriers) and if you could smell their smoke (that would imply a direct transmission path from their respiratory tract inside your nose) | 02:44 |
| xx | spitting in my face is a good idea to invite my fist into your face | 02:44 |
| Tuvix | IIRC, one of the early reports of outdoor transmission was from a construction crew in Asia somewhere (forget where offhand) and was probably due to the combination indoor/outdoor work they did, but it was cited in all kinds of country-specific guidance requiring masks outdoors for things like outdoor excersize. | 02:45 |
| Tuvix | But sure, crowd density matters a lot. I'm sure given the clips I saw of the Times Square new year celebration that some degree of transmission took place, despite the percautions they took. Many of those were packed, and those people had to go somewhere when they weren't on the streets. | 02:46 |
| user | hmm | 02:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. poised to break record 142,000 covid-19 hospitalizations → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s10kxi/us_poised_to_break_record_142000_covid19/ | 02:50 |
| de-facto | Tuvix, do we have ICU hospitalization rates for US locations? | 02:52 |
| Tuvix | JHU has a pretty high-level tool you can compare various states in terms of hospital/ICU usage, if you want a visually-easy but somewhat broad tool: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hospitalization-7-day-trend | 02:54 |
| -Bridgestorm- ⭕ Σεισμός! Deprem! Earthquake! 6.6 M tremor, registered by quakenotices, occurred 46 minutes ago (01:07:47 UTC), duing a gibbous moon night, Cyprus Region (35.1, 31.9), ↓10 km likely felt 400 km away (in Πάφος, Γεροσκήπου, Πέγεια, Χλώρακας, Έμπα, Πόλις…) by 58400 people with 2 nearby reactors → https://t.co/W7SCCb9bs5 (Twitter) | 02:54 | |
| de-facto | .title https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-hospital <-- yuck that does not look good | 02:55 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From ourworldindata.org: Number of COVID-19 patients in hospital - Our World in Data | 02:55 |
| Tuvix | There's also this CDC datset which I've bookmarked, but haven't done much of anything with myself: https://beta.healthdata.gov/Hospital/COVID-19-Reported-Patient-Impact-and-Hospital-Capa/g62h-syeh | 02:55 |
| Tuvix | No, we're on-track to have a new all-pandemic high. Now, the one possible reason this could be slightly-less-bad (note: not "good") would be that some of the COVID+ cases in hospitals were admitted for something not-covid, and not-respiratory related, but get counted in case-numbers anyway. | 02:56 |
| Tuvix | However, it's still very inaccurate to say that's why the hospital cases are up given that still doesn't explain the measurable stress on hospitals. The COVID-deaths make that pretty clear too, if you wait 2 to 4 weeks after hospital cases spike. | 02:57 |
| user | ICUs ? https://newsnodes.com/us_state/NY | 02:58 |
| LjL | I'm still arguing with the same redditors... look at hospitalization rates in Italy https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s0ycwh/unvaccinated_banned_from_italian_bars_restaurants/hs5de8o/?context=3 | 02:58 |
| LjL | (for vaccinated vs unvaccinated) | 02:58 |
| LjL | (yes, i picked the "worst" age range, and i'm sure they'll call me out on that) | 02:58 |
| LjL | ("oh but most are in the 80+", yeah okay, still) | 02:58 |
| LjL | what i don't quite get from those data is the deaths seem inconsistent with hospitalizations and ICU somewhat | 02:59 |
| de-facto | basically what i wonder about is if hospitalizations rise (maybe with 10-14 days delay) as a constant fraction of daily new infections by Omicron (hence double at same rates) what that means for ICU capacity occupation | 03:00 |
| de-facto | it may still be to early to really see that, but its something we should keep an eye upon | 03:00 |
| de-facto | it still may be too early | 03:00 |
| DeAngelo | current round of denial, it at , some of the admissions were initially for Covid | 03:00 |
| Tuvix | Right, that's part of why I've been comparing rate-of-change in case incidence to deaths, although the lag is even greater than ICU stress. | 03:00 |
| DeAngelo | s/weren't | 03:00 |
| LjL | have you seen this person's explanation of the CDC's new policy of 5 day quarantine? https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1479938654579544065 | 03:01 |
| Tuvix | Plus some of this depends a lot on how you count numbers. Are you looking at ICU capacity? People in ICUs specifically for COVID? Is there good data on how many of the COVID+ in ICUs had been fully vaccinated (and boosted, where appropriate)? All of these are good questions, but some data just won't help with some. | 03:01 |
| LjL | i'm not sure i can quite understand all of it | 03:01 |
| de-facto | that JHU dataset indeed is quite useful, it looks like MAYBE some states could be at an early increase of COVID ICU usage https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hospitalization-7-day-trend/ but its not clearly visible yet (at least for those that i clicked through) | 03:03 |
| LjL | DeAngelo, even if in some cases COVID is an "incidental finding", it may contribute to the person's outcome in hospital. plus, they may have gotten it *from* the hospital, and that's absolutely not great | 03:04 |
| de-facto | my guess into the blue would be that Omicron does cause some people to end on ICU, possibly a smaller (yet constant) fraction compared to Delta | 03:04 |
| LjL | but sadly bound to happen | 03:04 |
| Tuvix | de-facto: Yea, and some states like Michigan had worse-than-typical rises back with Delta's surge and largely haven't recovered; the lackluster recovery from hospital usage (ICU and non-ICU) and the slower-than-last-winter recovery in death rates has me concerned. It's too early to know if this is a trend that we'll see with Omicron too. | 03:05 |
| de-facto | but that gigantic increase in hospitalizations is a bit worrisome https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-hospital almost goes vertical | 03:05 |
| Tuvix | LjL: I'm still going through that thread, but upfront it's an interesting set of assumptions to include weekly proactive testing and 30% of symptomatic individuals isolate without a test. I find that quite optimistic, given what I've seen firsthand regarding personal entitlement. | 03:06 |
| LjL | if nothing else, it's quite something to see such a detailed description of the reasoning process behind the decision from someone who was actually (at least partly) behind the decision | 03:07 |
| DeAngelo | what I'm saying, is they are consistently wrong, with each stage of denial, but continue unchallenged imho | 03:08 |
| de-facto | i think underestimating Omicron is a big mistake | 03:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Ontario schools to reopen for in-person learning on Monday: sources → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1111d/ontario_schools_to_reopen_for_inperson_learning/ | 03:09 |
| Tuvix | LjL: Rather frustrating, nowhere in those charts or exposition does he mention masks at all; Fauci did indeed stress that when he was put on broadcast media, but some media outlets don't like to give him airtime or take his recommendations seriously, which was as I understood from the public messaging an importnat part of the reduce isolation guidance. | 03:10 |
| de-facto | US: 2021-12-24 got ~66.5k COVID patients in hospital, 2022-01-08 its 131.5k COVID patients in hospital already | 03:10 |
| de-facto | thats crazy fast increase | 03:10 |
| Tuvix | Yup, and with almost a year of accessible vaccinations (the at-risk were just getting theirs almost a year ago now.) | 03:10 |
| Tuvix | I just hope the recovery from hospital and death trends is better, not worse than Delta. The "tail" on deaths was twice as long as last winter in the US specifically. That is to say that halving the amount of death from the peak took twice as long, and never got back to its pre-delta surge levels. | 03:12 |
| de-facto | thats 198% fold in only 15 days or about 100% increase in two weeks | 03:13 |
| Tuvix | After Delta's primary spike in the US, death rates were only marginally below pandemic-average, and they just stayed there through the end of 2021. | 03:13 |
| Tuvix | Using JHU's 255.18/100k pandemic-long death toll, and 95 weeks of the pandemic (going by the 2nd week in March, roughly when our 50th death occurred) any time the death incidence rate is above ~2.68/100k we're doing "worse than average" as a ballpark temperature check. | 03:14 |
| Tuvix | Compare that to the ornage 7-day death rate (using the same scale of 7-day aveages per 100k population) we've been stuck around or above average rates of mortality since last week August: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases_7daydeathsper100k | 03:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Egypt: +951 cases, +31 deaths since a day ago | 03:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: As Los Angeles County Surpasses More Than 2 Million Total Cases; Hospitalizations Continue Rise Amid Omicron Spread - 43,582 New Positive Cases and 13 New Deaths Due to COVID-19 in Los Angeles County → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s116u3/as_los_angeles_county_surpasses_more_than_2/ | 03:18 |
| de-facto | about 2-3 weeks delay between incidence and death rate increase? | 03:18 |
| Tuvix | Closer to 3 it seems, but yea, that's been a fairly consistent trend. At least going by the easier to visualize averages. | 03:19 |
| de-facto | we urgently need 1) reducing contact rates 2) increase vaccination rates 3) continue to do so beyond having endured the very worse time of this peak | 03:20 |
| de-facto | and of course demand updated vaccines from those manufacturers | 03:20 |
| LjL | this guy seems to be jumping from a country's data to another as is convenient to show "it's not a big deal" https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s0ycwh/unvaccinated_banned_from_italian_bars_restaurants/hs5gpn6/?context=3 | 03:20 |
| de-facto | "past the wave" lol hmm that guy does not have a clue | 03:23 |
| LjL | de-facto, problem is, he does have some clues, he's arguing in a somewhat sly way all over the thread | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vice chairman Clarida’s resignation confirms there is an epidemic of ethical and legal violations at the highest levels of the Federal Reserve → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s11eld/vice_chairman_claridas_resignation_confirms_there/ | 03:27 |
| Tuvix | Yea, I don't have the patients to engage with that kind of thing online on forums or threads. It's bad enough sometimes on IRC or in-person/voice, but it's all to easy to just have a pile of science that you refer to incorrectly. Sometimes it's due to lack of understanding the data, but it can also be intentional to push an agenda. | 03:30 |
| Tuvix | patience* | 03:30 |
| LjL | in this case i'm starting to think it's an agenda. and it's kind of interesting because he sounds "kind of reasonable" in some ways | 03:31 |
| Tuvix | The worst at spreading misinformation are very good at that balancing act. | 03:31 |
| LjL | yeah | 03:31 |
| LjL | but then i've also seen a lot of cries of "MISINFORMATION! FAKE NEWS!" thrown at completely valid things | 03:32 |
| LjL | and it's getting a bit scary these days | 03:32 |
| LjL | social media, including reddit, are quite eager to remove all misinformation, and sometimes it's enough for something to 1) *sound* like misinformation (as in "this sounds unlikely", but many unlikely things are true), and 2) for someone to cry it is terrible, evil misinformation and fake news | 03:32 |
| LjL | example, that i may or may not have helped averting: https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/rzi6j0/new_deltacron_coronavirus_variant_discovered_in/hrvflum/?context=3 | 03:33 |
| Tuvix | An expert on technology and misinformation (not just the pandemic and recent US politics, but that was the underlying discussion focus) had pointed out that just as the Internet opened up so anyone could become a youtube or website content creator, so too it opened up the door for bad information to get mixed in with the good. It's ultimately up to the reader to sort out the differences, which relies on | 03:33 |
| Tuvix | them being able to do so accurately much of the time. | 03:34 |
| LjL | is it up to the reader, or is it up to the state, authorities, social media themselves under the state's supervision...? | 03:34 |
| Tuvix | Oh, yea, the flip side is things like that actually correct (though I didn't like the presentation order, personally) politifact article about the SCOTUS getting her hospitlization stats wrong. The post was removed, and a redditor even commented that it would be deleted jsut before it was. | 03:34 |
| LjL | i think this is going to be a pretty big question in the near and foreseeable future | 03:34 |
| LjL | yeah i noticed that comment too | 03:35 |
| Tuvix | Both sides are unhappy; people seeing obvious (to those who pay attention) misinformation want things like that removed, _and_ the people who get legit (or at least not obviously bad) content taken down are angry when they feel they can't be heard. | 03:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.S. reports at least 1.1 million COVID cases in a day, shattering global record → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s11k7z/us_reports_at_least_11_million_covid_cases_in_a/ | 03:37 |
| LjL | i'm not sure what "the" solution should be, but i'm pretty convinced heavy state censoring of social media isn't it | 03:40 |
| Tuvix | Social media didn't really create anything new (ignoring the manipluation around what posts are ranked popular, which is a separate issue I think) but it allowed fringe ideas to gain popularity across geographic regions and allow them to be amplified more than they've ever been before. | 03:42 |
| LjL | i think he has uncovered himself after all https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s0ycwh/unvaccinated_banned_from_italian_bars_restaurants/hs5l83z/?context=3 | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Mexico President AMLO Says He Has Covid For the Second Time in a Year → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s129bn/mexico_president_amlo_says_he_has_covid_for_the/ | 04:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Costa Rica: +7198 cases, +10 deaths since 3 days ago — Channel Islands: +1745 cases, +2 deaths since 3 days ago — Belize: +1181 cases, +2 deaths, +5201 tests (22.7% positive) since 3 days ago — Bermuda: +689 cases, +7105 tests (9.7% positive) since 3 days ago | 04:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: How to ask your hairdresser, dentist or teacher if they're vaccinated for COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s12gmv/how_to_ask_your_hairdresser_dentist_or_teacher_if/ | 04:25 |
| xx | how about asking them when their most recent test was? | 04:25 |
| xx | that's like asking a potential sex partner "Are you clean?" vs "When was your most recent test and what were the results and have you engaged in any risky behavior since?" | 04:26 |
| oerheks | "baby lets test tomorrow" | 04:26 |
| oerheks | oh take off your mask.. | 04:26 |
| DeAngelo | https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/10/us/california-schools-covid/index.html | 04:27 |
| DeAngelo | what could go wrong | 04:28 |
| DeAngelo | xx: its not HIV | 04:28 |
| xx | you're right, HIV has 100% survival rate with proper medicine | 04:29 |
| xx | rona not so much | 04:29 |
| DeAngelo | tired of defending the covid spreaders imo | 04:29 |
| Tuvix | DeAngelo: Tests are a big part of this, sure, but so are things like mandatory quality masks since tests won't catch every positive case and not in time to avoid spread. The cost of having kids home is high too, but there's a lot that can be done between nothing and remote-only options if people focus on making that reality happen. | 04:32 |
| Tuvix | Vaccination can reduce the impact of the inevitable breakthrough cases being serious, and yes, that includes in children too. This information isn't yet available for Omicron (CDC stats that include breakdown of deaths by age & vaccination status lag behind 2 to 3 months) but it's quite clear the reduction for instance in the 12-17 youth population in death incidence: https://imgur.com/a/Lm9sdzR | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: SARS-CoV-2 Seroprevalence before Delta Variant Surge, Chattogram, Bangladesh, March–June 2021 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s12rv4/sarscov2_seroprevalence_before_delta_variant/ | 04:34 |
| Tuvix | On one level, that's "only" a peak of 1.4/100k population at the wrost of the delta peak by that chart for the 12-17 year old population, but that was nearly 250 youth deaths that month alone (nation-wide in the US) | 04:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: CDC weighs recommending better masks against omicron variant → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s12yvb/cdc_weighs_recommending_better_masks_against/ | 04:43 |
| xx | well I sure know to avoid all advice coming from CDC when the next pandemic happens | 04:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Where people go wrong with 'incidental' COVID-19 hospitalizations → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1333f/where_people_go_wrong_with_incidental_covid19/ | 04:53 |
| sdfgsdfg | look at this now.... | 05:06 |
| sdfgsdfg | https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-t-cells-from-common-colds-can-protect-against-coronavirus-infection-study-finds-12512900 | 05:06 |
| sdfgsdfg | .title | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: From news.sky.com: COVID-19: T cells from common colds can protect against coronavirus infection, study finds | UK News | Sky News | 05:06 |
| sdfgsdfg | wtf ? | 05:06 |
| sdfgsdfg | that's good news I guess | 05:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +11052 cases, +78 deaths, +18767 tests (58.9% positive) since a day ago — South Korea: +3093 cases, +43 deaths since a day ago — Suriname: +1009 cases, +2231 tests (45.2% positive) since a day ago — China: +164 cases since 15 hours ago | 05:09 |
| xx | incoming "covid is just a common cold, stop all this nonsense" | 05:10 |
| Tuvix | It's not really meaningful for the unvaccinated, especially if you read what this study's first author had to say about it. | 05:10 |
| Tuvix | It probably has far more value to learn about better and more effective treatments than anything else. | 05:11 |
| sdfgsdfg | I'm trying to find what level of protection it offers | 05:11 |
| Tuvix | For you as an unvaccinated individual? Not much. | 05:11 |
| Tuvix | "New vaccines that include these conserved, internal proteins would therefore induce broadly protective T cell responses that should protect against current and future SARS-CoV-2 variants." (this from one of the senior authors) | 05:11 |
| Tuvix | Or from the first author, "it is only one form of protection, and I would stress that no one should relay on this alone. Instead, the best way to protect yourself against COVID-19 is to be fully vaccinated, including getting your booster dose." | 05:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron is Forcing us To Rethink Mild Covid → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s13hon/omicron_is_forcing_us_to_rethink_mild_covid/ | 05:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | "should" protect ? | 05:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | is that how they came to this conclusion | 05:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | hmmmmm | 05:13 |
| Tuvix | From the study of n=52 people. | 05:13 |
| Tuvix | "no significant difference in the frequency of responses to spike is observed, hinting at a limited protective function of spike-cross-reactive T cells. […] Our results […] thereby [support] the inclusion of non-spike antigens in second-generation vaccines." | 05:14 |
| Tuvix | This is mostly about new vaccine and theraputics, not protection, and is in no way a good excuse to remain unvaccinated based on this study with any expectation catching a cold is a meaningful substitude for protections. The authors directly say as much. | 05:15 |
| Tuvix | Also from the introduction without any hard to read science language, "However, no study yet describes an association of cross-reactive T cells with outcome after SARS-CoV-2 exposure." | 05:16 |
| Tuvix | The tl;dr is this is less about outcomes and more about bleeding-edge science that gives us more clues as to possible broad-varient approaches that may open up the door to clinically-relevant ways to prevent or treat nCoV. | 05:17 |
| sdfgsdfg | and possibly flu as well | 05:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Colorado’s COVID hospitalizations still trending up as state surpasses 1 million cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s13pvm/colorados_covid_hospitalizations_still_trending/ | 05:21 |
| Tuvix | Hmm, there is certainly some further reserach to be done here, since some of the discussion from the 8-page paper indiciates limitations in testing the T-cells responsiveness. In particular, I suspect this may have implications for how well it applies across emerging varients, but that's a bit of a guess on my part considering this was sent in mid-summer last year (so, pre-Delta) | 05:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 Monday update: 10,964 new infections are new single-day record in Minnesota → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s13uzm/covid19_monday_update_10964_new_infections_are/ | 05:31 |
| Tuvix | Last paragraph on that paper on p5 explains all the unknowns that the study could not account for that are also a factor. | 05:37 |
| Tuvix | Neat study, but in no way a useful alternative to vaccination as protection. It'll help shape what new changes we can make to vaccines and treatments in 2022. | 05:44 |
| DeAngelo | Wonder if having 74% of 5-11 year olds still unvaccinated is more than just a personal responsibility issue | 05:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +54846 cases, +59 deaths since 2 days ago — Bolivia: +8857 cases, +16 deaths since 23 hours ago — Kazakhstan: +2230 cases since 23 hours ago — Mongolia: +1208 cases since 23 hours ago | 05:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘The pain hurts’: Five-year-old B.C. girl’s ‘non-urgent’ surgery delayed by pandemic - BC | Globalnews.ca → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s14n1v/the_pain_hurts_fiveyearold_bc_girls_nonurgent/ | 06:08 |
| xx | "The pain hurts", what an odd phrase | 06:26 |
| Tuvix | She's also 5. | 06:28 |
| minth | painful pain is painful | 06:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Ariana Grande says she supports fat, other people take the vaccine → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s15eqr/ariana_grande_says_she_supports_fat_other_people/ | 06:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia, United States: +96320 cases, +173 deaths since 5 days ago — Illinois, United States: +77833 cases since 3 days ago — North Carolina, United States: +71180 cases, +66 deaths since 3 days ago — Massachusetts, United States: +64715 cases, +75 deaths since 3 days ago | 07:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Qld Covid update: chief health officer urges immediate halt to ‘pox parties’ aimed at spreading virus | Gold Coast → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s15tak/qld_covid_update_chief_health_officer_urges/ | 07:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID: Boris Johnson accused of hosting another party during lockdown → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1641k/covid_boris_johnson_accused_of_hosting_another/ | 07:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: China locks down third city, raising affected to 20 million | AP News → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s168mb/china_locks_down_third_city_raising_affected_to/ | 07:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): 'Flurona,' When COVID Meets the Flu → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 08:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +51365 cases since 20 hours ago — Czechia: +7381 cases, +59 deaths since 23 hours ago — Honduras: +736 cases, +4 deaths, +3961 tests (18.6% positive) since 3 days ago — Venezuela: +577 cases, +4 deaths since a day ago | 08:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Gardasil, human papillomavirus vaccine [types 6, 11, 16, 18] (recombinant, adsorbed), Papillomavirus Infections;Uterine Cervical Dysplasia;Condylomata Acuminata;Immunization, Date of authorisation: [... want %more?] → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/gardasil | 08:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID: Millions more locked down as China battles Omicron spread | Coronavirus pandemic News → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1740q/covid_millions_more_locked_down_as_china_battles/ | 08:39 |
| ottavio | Hi had my Pfizer booster yesterday at 11 am. Now it's 8am and I have no major side effects aprt from my arm hurting AF. Does it mean I'll have no other side effects? | 08:59 |
| ottavio | coz I've read sometimes side effects from Pfizer can come days leter | 09:00 |
| Tuvix | ottavio: I had 3x Pfizer myself, and discounting a somewhat sore arm near the injection site on all 3 (common for many intramuscular injections like that) my 3rd dose had the most mild impact, although everyone can react slightly differently in the several days after. | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +5486 cases, +46 deaths, +57546 tests (9.5% positive) since a day ago | 09:06 |
| ottavio | Tuvix: ah, but my 1st and 2nd were AZ and quite a long time ago. | 09:08 |
| Tuvix | Be sure to keep the arm moving a bit, since that usually helps it feel better. Nothing over the top, but a bit of movement can improve things a bit quicker. | 09:08 |
| ottavio | I still do push ups fine. I only notice that when I sleep. | 09:09 |
| Tuvix | Ah, gotcha, so I can't compare any of the other options then, but even my first 2 Pfizer doses really didn't do a whole lot for me in the way of side effects. Maybe a very mild headche, but that didn't even last a full day. | 09:09 |
| ottavio | I'm going to do a long walk today. I don't want to risk fainting or something like that. | 09:10 |
| Tuvix | Yea, I had to avoid sleeping on my side like I sometimes do the first night or two, but it didn't bug me by the 3rd. That felt similar to after I got a tetanus booster. | 09:10 |
| ottavio | did you do a tetanus booster? I did mine at age 3, now I'm 54, never had a booster. | 09:11 |
| Tuvix | The clinic I went to said they're good for about 10 years, but I scheduled the visit (this was some years ago now) because I'd stepped on a nail attached to a board I walked over. | 09:12 |
| Tuvix | They said I was still technically up to date, but suggested I get a booster anyway since it was not very far from going out of date. | 09:12 |
| Tuvix | It was a clean entry into my foot, but it was also not the cleanest of nails having been exposed to elements. | 09:13 |
| Tuvix | It's a good idea to judge how you're feeling over the next few days, since you might still have some mild side-effects into the 2nd or 3rd says, but typically anything you notice should improve. Obviously if anything seems amiss, get in touch with your healthcare provider, but nearly all side-effects are reasonably mild. | 09:16 |
| Tuvix | Just don't discount something that isn't, since that would be abnormal (and I presume your provided also told you most of that, so I mostly focused on my experience.) | 09:17 |
| Tuvix | your provider* | 09:17 |
| xx | oh shit my tetanus is a couple years expired | 09:21 |
| xx | thanks | 09:21 |
| Tuvix | Avoid rusty nails. Or, at least I'd recommend it having tried that myself. | 09:21 |
| Tuvix | Not a lot of fun, but at least I didn't drive it through anything all that important. | 09:21 |
| xx | well, I deal with a lot of rusty nails at times, but they haven't been in the ground so it's fine | 09:21 |
| xx | tetanus is nasty, no idea how that slipped my mind, but it's only 17 years ago I had the booster, so those 2 years don't matter much | 09:22 |
| Tuvix | This was for a bonfire, and part of the wood we were tossing in was apparently held together with nails. One wrong step and part of the wood came back attached to my foot. | 09:22 |
| xx | tetanus is the stuff that main thing that used to kill people in the past just from a small scratch, right? The stuff they always talk about. | 09:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | January 11, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s17ry3/daily_discussion_thread_january_11_2022/ | 09:26 |
| Tuvix | I don't think it was overly widespread, but before it was a common vaccinated disease a handful died each year from it. | 09:26 |
| Tuvix | A quick bit of digging and it looks like even at the worst period for it in the 1940's, one year exceeding 600 cases. | 09:28 |
| Tuvix | Oh, that was US-specific it's more common in places that don't vaccinate, and global totals are of course higher. | 09:30 |
| Tuvix | Ah, yea, the recommendation (according to the Mayo Clinic) is for a booster to be given within 48 hours of possible infection if the last booster was more than 5 years out of date. Some immunity may remain from tetanus vaccine earlier, but given the higher risk it seems most place just renew you on the spot if you're that far out. | 09:34 |
| Tuvix | (more than 5 years prior to the wound that is) | 09:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Use of augmented reality in surgical simulation training during covid-19: It has been tough for surgical trainees during the covid-19 pandemic and Naughton and colleagues’ and Munro and colleagues’ strategies for mitigating the effects on training with a focus on... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o50.short | 09:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The world’s largest condom manufacturer has had a surprisingly bad pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s18gd4/the_worlds_largest_condom_manufacturer_has_had_a/ | 10:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Meta delays office reopening, mandates booster shots for returning workers → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s18kse/meta_delays_office_reopening_mandates_booster/ | 10:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tamil Nadu, India: +13990 cases, +11 deaths since a day ago — Karnataka, India: +11698 cases, +4 deaths since a day ago — Uttar Pradesh, India: +8311 cases, +4 deaths since a day ago — Rajasthan, India: +6095 cases, +2 deaths since a day ago | 10:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Excess risk and clusters of symptoms after COVID-19 in a large Norwegian cohort → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s18rhc/excess_risk_and_clusters_of_symptoms_after/ | 10:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Spain Calls for Debate to Consider Covid as Endemic, Like Flu → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1914s/spain_calls_for_debate_to_consider_covid_as/ | 10:42 |
| xx | called it, declaring covid over | 10:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health: 13 big questions about Biden’s response to Omicron, as Congress prepares to grill Fauci, Walensky, and other top officials → https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/11/13-big-questions-omicron-congress-fauci-walensky/ | 10:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Heathrow Airport demands end to Covid testing for vaccinated as 600,000 cancel flights → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s198yr/heathrow_airport_demands_end_to_covid_testing_for/ | 11:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +17525 cases, +783 deaths, +400000 tests (4.4% positive) since 23 hours ago — Austria: +11516 cases, +17 deaths, +515761 tests (2.2% positive) since 22 hours ago — Ukraine: +5429 cases, +219 deaths since 22 hours ago — Lithuania: +2778 cases, +11 deaths, +23571 tests (11.8% positive) since 23 hours ago | 11:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Poland's total COVID-19 death toll passes 100,000 → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s19f18/polands_total_covid19_death_toll_passes_100000/ | 11:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Hong Kong to Close Primary Schools, Plans to Vaccinate Children → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s19ips/hong_kong_to_close_primary_schools_plans_to/ | 11:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.K. PM Boris Johnson under fire over ‘bring your own booze’ lockdown party → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s19nyq/uk_pm_boris_johnson_under_fire_over_bring_your/ | 11:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 5 reasons you should not deliberately catch Omicron to 'get it over with' → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s19swl/5_reasons_you_should_not_deliberately_catch/ | 11:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: German health minister calls England’s COVID strategy ‘unethical’: Karl Lauterbach says he would 'never recommend' the strategy London has employed in the face of the Omicron wave. → https://www.politico.eu/article/german-health-minister-karl-lauterbach-uk-covid-strategy-unethical/ | 11:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +11402 cases, +493 deaths, +54783 tests (20.8% positive) since a day ago — Slovenia: +5217 cases, +4 deaths since 22 hours ago — Liechtenstein: +66 cases since a day ago — United Kingdom: +146396 cases since 19 hours ago | 12:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: As Covid sweeps Europe, the W.H.O. warns of ‘a closing window to act now.’ → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1aczb/as_covid_sweeps_europe_the_who_warns_of_a_closing/ | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Watch: 50% of WHO Europe's population could get Omicron 'within weeks' → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1aoml/watch_50_of_who_europes_population_could_get/ | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Spain Calls for Debate to Consider Covid as Endemic, Like Flu → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1aupl/spain_calls_for_debate_to_consider_covid_as/ | 12:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pfizer says its vaccine targeting Omicron will be ready in March → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1awc1/pfizer_says_its_vaccine_targeting_omicron_will_be/ | 12:56 |
| sdfgsdfg | if it's at the end of March | 13:01 |
| sdfgsdfg | and if the people already got their boosters without omicron targetting | 13:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from BioNTech: BioNTech and InstaDeep Developed and Successfully Tested Early Warning System to Detect Potential High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Variants: Early Warning System combines Spike protein structural modeling with artificial intelligence (AI) [... want %more?] → https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-and-instadeep-developed-and-successfully-tested-early | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saudi Arabia: +4652 cases, +2 deaths since a day ago — Zambia: +2721 cases, +8 deaths, +11396 tests (23.9% positive) since a day ago — UAE: +2511 cases, +3 deaths, +292415 tests (0.9% positive) since a day ago — Latvia: +2241 cases, +7 deaths, +13969 tests (16.0% positive) since a day ago | 13:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Spain wants EU to manage COVID as ‘common flu’ → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1bgda/spain_wants_eu_to_manage_covid_as_common_flu/ | 13:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.S. reports record 1.3M Covid cases in a day as hospitalizations soar → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1bkvy/us_reports_record_13m_covid_cases_in_a_day_as/ | 13:33 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.24.474095v1 | 13:41 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.biorxiv.org: Early Computational Detection of Potential High Risk SARS-CoV-2 Variants | bioRxiv | 13:41 |
| de-facto | "[...] Here we present a novel in silico approach combining Spike protein structure modelling and large protein transformer language models on Spike protein sequences, to accurately rank SARS-CoV-2 variants for immune escape and fitness potential." | 13:43 |
| de-facto | "We validate our immune escape and fitness metrics with in vitro pVNT and binding assays. These metrics can be combined into an automated Early Warning System (EWS) capable of evaluating new variants in minutes and risk monitoring variant lineages in near real-time." | 13:44 |
| de-facto | "The EWS flagged 12 out of 13 variants, designated by the World Health Organisation (WHO, Alpha-Omicron) as potentially dangerous, on average two months ahead of them being designated as such, demonstrating its ability to help increase preparedness against future variants." | 13:44 |
| de-facto | "Omicron was flagged by the EWS on the day its sequence was made available, with immune evasion and binding metrics subsequently confirmed through our in vitro experiments." | 13:44 |
| de-facto | " A COVID-19 Early Warning System combining structural modelling with AI to detect and monitor high risk SARS-CoV-2 variants, identifying >90% of WHO designated variants on average two months in advance." | 13:45 |
| de-facto | .title https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-and-instadeep-developed-and-successfully-tested-early | 13:46 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From investors.biontech.de: BioNTech and InstaDeep Developed and Successfully Tested Early Warning System to Detect Potential High-Risk SARS-CoV-2 Variants | BioNTech | 13:46 |
| de-facto | "Early Warning System combines Spike protein structural modeling with artificial intelligence (AI) to detect and monitor high-risk SARS-CoV-2 variants, identifying >90% of WHO-designated variants on average two months prior to officially receiving the designation" | 13:47 |
| de-facto | "Study introduces a new method of combining publicly available SARS-CoV-2 sequence information with predictive analytics to effectively detect and monitor potential high-risk variants which could help increase preparedness against future variants of concern" | 13:47 |
| de-facto | "Early Warning System is fully scalable as new variant data become available" | 13:47 |
| de-facto | https://deepchain.bio/ | 13:48 |
| de-facto | .title | 13:48 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From deepchain.bio: Home - DeepChain™ | AI-Accelerated Protein Design Platform | 13:48 |
| dTal | https://www.armbrustusa.com/pages/mask-testing | 14:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Japan keeps border controls as it prepares for omicron surge → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1bx9q/japan_keeps_border_controls_as_it_prepares_for/ | 14:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +1981 cases, +1 deaths, +10648 tests (18.6% positive) since a day ago — Indonesia: +802 cases, +8 deaths, +309470 tests (0.3% positive) since a day ago | 14:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: UK PM Johnson under fire over 'bring your own booze' lockdown party → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1cnm4/uk_pm_johnson_under_fire_over_bring_your_own/ | 14:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: Omicron wave threatening to overcome health workforce: Because of the unprecedented scale of transmission, we are now seeing rising COVID-19 hospitalizations. It is challenging health systems and service [... want %more?] → https://www.euro.who.int/en/media-centre/sections/statements/2022/statement-update-on-covid-19-omicron-wave-threatening-to-overcome-health-workforce | 14:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: us: COVID-19 Vaccine for Omicron Will Be Ready in March Says Pfizer → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/covid-19-vaccine-for-omicron-will-be-ready-in-march-says-pfizer | 14:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: British politics: Any evidence of lockdown-breaching government parties will be passed to police, says UK minister → https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-minister-downing-street-refer-law-breaking-party-police/ | 14:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Romania: +8861 cases, +43 deaths, +73526 tests (12.1% positive) since a day ago — Croatia: +7956 cases, +38 deaths, +18404 tests (43.2% positive) since a day ago — Iran: +1961 cases, +25 deaths since a day ago — Belarus: +691 cases, +15 deaths, +7681 tests (9.0% positive) since a day ago | 15:15 |
| Dredd | Someone I used to work with fairly often has posted this to their whatsapp feed | 15:39 |
| * Dredd uploaded an image: (344KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/shortestpath.dev/GqJTPFOZJCBtOPRGBuXyJatA/image.png > | 15:39 | |
| Dredd | I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed 😦 | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid-19 live updates: U.S. nears record number of hospitalizations as omicron threatens even bigger spike → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1e4g9/covid19_live_updates_us_nears_record_number_of/ | 15:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Pediatric COVID-19 hospitalizations reach record levels in Michigan, reflecting national trend → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1eakx/pediatric_covid19_hospitalizations_reach_record/ | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sweden: +70641 cases, +8 deaths since 3 days ago — Qatar: +4169 cases, +2 deaths, +4986 tests (83.6% positive) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +2458 cases, +2 deaths, +27399 tests (9.0% positive) since a day ago — Iraq: +1610 cases, +8 deaths, +17590 tests (9.2% positive) since a day ago | 16:05 |
| ublx | Dredd: disappointed at the effective sharpness of that messaging? | 16:05 |
| ublx | it would hardly have been possible had pro-vaccine messaging been accurate, honest, and realistic throughout | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Persistence of SARS CoV-2 S1 Protein in CD16+ Monocytes in Post-Acute Sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC) up to 15 Months Post-Infection → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s1eqlb/persistence_of_sars_cov2_s1_protein_in_cd16/ | 16:07 |
| Dredd | ublx: disappointed the person in question seems to have forgotten that there is an actual pandemic going on too regardless | 16:15 |
| Dredd | I disagree that it wouldn't be possible with better pro-vaccine messaging - there will always be people with contrarian views - I just thought this person was a little more logical in their thinking / analyses of things | 16:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Scotland to lift Covid ban on large gatherings from Monday → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1etj4/scotland_to_lift_covid_ban_on_large_gatherings/ | 16:17 |
| ublx | out of curiosity, does it follow that this person is disappointingly etc? ie, did they post the image without context? could their intent have been like yours, to highlight the dramatically spurious slant? | 16:18 |
| Dredd | I doubt it - it is without context - as far as I'm aware you just blat images are your whatsapp contacts | 16:21 |
| Dredd | I've never used that feature myself so not sure exactly how it works | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: France to see record of more than 350,000 new COVID infections Tuesday - minister → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1f162/france_to_see_record_of_more_than_350000_new/ | 16:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid loses 90% of ability to infect within five minutes in air – study | Coronavirus → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1f8u2/covid_loses_90_of_ability_to_infect_within_five/ | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Canada will have enough COVID-19 vaccines for third, potential fourth doses: Trudeau → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1fl3h/canada_will_have_enough_covid19_vaccines_for/ | 16:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Clinical Trial of Dimolegin (DD217) in Prevention of Thrombotic Complications in Patients With COVID-19 → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05185804 | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Denmark: +22396 cases, +14 deaths since 18 hours ago — Sri Lanka: +944 cases, +15 deaths since 20 hours ago — Myanmar: +235 cases, +2 deaths since 23 hours ago — Canada: +39511 cases, +100 deaths since 21 hours ago | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: Photodynamic Therapy for COVID-19 Prevention: Conditions : COVID-19 Respiratory Infection; SARS-CoV-2 Acute Respiratory Disease → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05184205 | 17:15 |
| dTal | I learned the other day that a very good bro of mine - kind of hippy type - is unvaxxed. It doesn't sound like he's "antivax" as such, but his girlfriend apparently is, massively | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Training first aid rescuers at workplace during the COVID-19 pandemic in Italy: challenges and opportunities. → https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/research/coronavirus/publication/35001584 | 17:25 |
| Dredd | dTal: ah. Is this someone from the hippy WhatsApp group? | 17:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Clinical Significance of Subclinical Myocardial Involvement in Recovered COVID-19 Patients Using Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05184114 | 17:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greece: +32833 cases, +80 deaths, +583206 tests (5.6% positive) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +30401 cases, +20 deaths since 23 hours ago — Serbia: +13693 cases, +22 deaths, +37402 tests (36.6% positive) since a day ago — Kuwait: +4397 cases, +1 deaths, +37540 tests (11.7% positive) since 20 hours ago | 18:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Evaluation of IGM-6268 in Healthy Adults and Patients With Mild to Moderate COVID-19 → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05184218 | 18:04 |
| LjL | dTal, they say people can die for love | 18:07 |
| Dredd | My 13 year old brother had his second jab over the weekend and has had quite a sore arm from it | 18:09 |
| JanC | the sore arm can be from the vaccine or just from being stabbed in it :) | 18:12 |
| Dredd | Yeah, I think it was worse than the first jab | 18:13 |
| * JanC just got his third jab | 18:14 | |
| LjL | my first and third were mildly painful, my second wasn't painful at all | 18:15 |
| LjL | mileage varying etc | 18:15 |
| lastshell | yeah sore arm in all 3 jabs but I think the first one was with more pain | 18:19 |
| Dredd | Wonder if it is less about the jab / number and more about the technique of the person administering? | 18:23 |
| Dredd | I figure that puncturing a blood vessel (which is probably not great for bad vaccine rare outcomes either) leads to a pretty sore arm | 18:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from Quanta Magazine: Evolution ‘Landscapes’ Predict What’s Next for COVID Virus: Studies that map the adaptive value of viral mutations hint at how the COVID-19 pandemic might progress next. The post first appeared on Quanta Magazine → https://www.quantamagazine.org/evolution-landscapes-predict-whats-next-for-covid-virus-20220111/ | 18:23 |
| LjL | Dredd, tell him to limit physical exercise, for two weeks, abs. w/o exc. | 18:27 |
| lastshell | that is the part that is killing me | 18:28 |
| lastshell | I want to workout like a madman but I have to wait ... | 18:28 |
| lastshell | so far just light walking | 18:29 |
| LjL | lastshell, try working out with myocarditis then you'll know what "killing you" actually means :P | 18:30 |
| lastshell | lol | 18:30 |
| lastshell | no thanks | 18:30 |
| lastshell | yeah I was scare the first day when my hear reate just for normal walking was high | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Russia braces for 'very intense' rise in Omicron cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1hyod/russia_braces_for_very_intense_rise_in_omicron/ | 18:33 |
| oerheks | Now if i die, it is not because i did not get a booster jab. | 18:34 |
| lastshell | oerheks for my own anecdotal data people with 3 jabs do better than people with 2 jabs | 18:35 |
| lastshell | I have friends and family with covid and some have 3 others 2 javs | 18:35 |
| oerheks | J&J counts as 2 jabs.. so i am good. | 18:35 |
| lastshell | I can tell the 3rd jab reduce a lot of the syntoms | 18:35 |
| foo | This might be an odd question, but I wonder - what are the odds of someoen catching Omicron on a plane right now? Heh | 18:38 |
| foo | Might not even be possible to guestimate that | 18:38 |
| dTal | Dredd: no, it's a friend I go way back with | 18:39 |
| dTal | foo: depends which plane I suppose | 18:40 |
| foo | dTal: True, rough estimates? < 10% | 18:40 |
| foo | ? | 18:40 |
| foo | My question might just be absurd. Ha | 18:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: The Dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 Infectivity with Changes in Aerosol Microenvironment → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s1i5ba/the_dynamics_of_sarscov2_infectivity_with_changes/ | 18:43 |
| Dredd | <LjL> "Peter, tell him to limit..." <- ha ha, he's going back to school tomorrow after having a day or two off | 18:43 |
| Dredd | <lastshell> " yeah I was scare the first..." <- Normal for immune response I think | 18:44 |
| Dredd | <oerheks> "J&J counts as 2 jabs.. so i am..." <- J&J doesn't count as 2 jabs wrt to omicron | 18:45 |
| lastshell | Dredd: I plan todo a bloodwork after some weeks just to see how things are | 18:45 |
| Dredd | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-04069-y <- my brother is named in this as part of the COVID Consortium | 18:47 |
| lastshell | https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-reports-record-13m-covid-cases-day-hospitalizations-soar-rcna11736 1.3M Covid cases in a day | 18:47 |
| Dredd | US is going to run out of people very soon | 18:48 |
| Dredd | Which reminds me, I should look at what the numbers are doing here in Boris Land | 18:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19: Omicron on track to infect half of Europe but too soon to treat it like flu - World Health Organization → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1ij1q/covid19_omicron_on_track_to_infect_half_of_europe/ | 18:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: You’d expect health care workers on the Covid frontlines to be tested regularly. You’d be wrong: Is more harm being done by identifying asymptomatic Covid-19 in health care workers and exacerbating staffing shortages, or by not testing them and potentially feeding [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/11/routine-covid-testing-health-care-workers/ | 19:02 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 19:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +33340 cases, +28 deaths since a day ago — Morocco: +7336 cases, +12 deaths, +38259 tests (19.2% positive) since 23 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +6683 cases, +18862 tests (35.4% positive) since 22 hours ago — Malaysia: +3175 cases, +27 deaths since 23 hours ago | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Morocco: +7336 cases, +12 deaths, +38259 tests (19.2% positive) since 23 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +6683 cases, +18862 tests (35.4% positive) since 22 hours ago — North Macedonia: +1964 cases, +13 deaths, +7724 tests (25.4% positive) since 20 hours ago — Singapore: +846 cases since 21 hours ago | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Italy has had 7.6 million confirmed cases (12.5% of all people) and 139265 deaths (1.8% of cases; 1 in 433 people) as of 16 hours ago. 92.2 million tests were done (8.2% positive). 48.5 million were vaccinated (80.6%). +15643 cases since 6 hours ago. See https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-dashboard or https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/en/ | 19:06 |
| LjL | am i foolish to still be hoping the WHO is wrong and this wave won't quite infect half of Europe? | 19:06 |
| lastshell | I honestly thing omicron will infect a lot but not sure if they can cover half | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 Zotero group: Genomic reconstruction of the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic in England: Type Journal Article Author Harald S. Vöhringer Author Theo Sanderson Author Matthew Sinnott Author Nicola De Maio Author Thuy Nguyen Author Richard Goater Author Frank Schwach Author Ian Harrison Author Joel Hellewell [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/N85PR9NU | 19:12 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO warns repeated COVID boosters not a viable strategy: Live | Coronavirus pandemic News → https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1j8fv/who_warns_repeated_covid_boosters_not_a_viable/ | 19:28 |
| LjL | the WHO always says obvious things. glad they confirm this was an obvious thing! | 19:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Turkey logs record level of more than 74,000 COVID-19 cases in a day → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1jho2/turkey_logs_record_level_of_more_than_74000/ | 19:31 |
| lastshell | when the WHO will say taiwain exists ? :P | 19:32 |
| LjL | is that the Microsof scanner standard? | 19:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Quebec to impose 'significant' financial penalty against people who refuse to get vaccinated → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1jpl4/quebec_to_impose_significant_financial_penalty/ | 19:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Why You Should Report a Positive At-Home COVID-19 Test Result—and How to Do It → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1jvtx/why_you_should_report_a_positive_athome_covid19/ | 19:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron can make you contagious before you test positive, allowing for rapid spread → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1k4ho/omicron_can_make_you_contagious_before_you_test/ | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +50149 cases since 23 hours ago — Canada: +43297 cases, +112 deaths since 21 hours ago | 20:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Unvaccinated Quebecers will have to pay a health tax → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1khhz/unvaccinated_quebecers_will_have_to_pay_a_health/ | 20:10 |
| Dredd | "WHO warn sun may not shine at night" | 20:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Clinical outcomes among patients infected with Omicron (B.1.1.529) SARS-CoV-2 variant in southern California → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s1kibt/clinical_outcomes_among_patients_infected_with/ | 20:20 |
| Dredd | "treat it like flu" - sure, virulent dangerous novel to human birdflu | 20:21 |
| oerheks | there are more covid experts than IPv4 adresses. | 20:21 |
| Dredd | I bought some more Pfizer stock today, I feel they're going to continue to be an important part of our road out of this | 20:22 |
| de-facto | Dredd, "WHO warn sun may not shine at night" <-- does that mean its called Half-World Health Organization? | 20:25 |
| oerheks | world horizon observers | 20:26 |
| oerheks | "earth is flat"? | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: United CEO says vaccine mandate appears to have ended weekly deaths of employees from Covid → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1kuv7/united_ceo_says_vaccine_mandate_appears_to_have/ | 20:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Quebec to impose a tax on people who are unvaccinated from COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1l3hh/quebec_to_impose_a_tax_on_people_who_are/ | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Quebec to impose 'significant' financial penalty against people who refuse to get vaccinated → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1lagc/quebec_to_impose_significant_financial_penalty/ | 20:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Quebec to impose a tax on people who are unvaccinated from COVID-19 | Globalnews.ca → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1lfag/quebec_to_impose_a_tax_on_people_who_are/ | 20:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +220519 cases, +294 deaths, +1375514 tests (16.0% positive) since 18 hours ago — Mozambique: +1868 cases, +3 deaths, +6200 tests (30.1% positive) since a day ago — Moldova: +1139 cases, +17 deaths since 21 hours ago | 20:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: In Turbulent Times, Taking Care of One’s Self: During a continuation of a difficult time in our history, overwhelmed providers need to take a step back and find time for themselves to unwind and destress from COVID-19. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/in-turbulent-times-taking-care-of-one-s-self | 21:07 |
| lastshell | >> oerheks | there are more covid experts than IPv4 adresses. Imagine if was IPv6 :P | 21:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from ScienceNews: Omicron forces us to rethink COVID-19 testing and treatments: At-home rapid tests may miss the speedy variant early on, and some treatments, such as some monoclonal antibodies, no longer work. → https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-omicron-variant-testing-treatment | 21:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: COVID-19 testing back in the spotlight as Omicron rages: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Jan 11, 2022 Yesterday the US reported 1.35 million new COVID-19 cases, the most any nation has ever reported in 1 day. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-19-testing-back-spotlight-omicron-rages | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. health officials defend the administration’s response to the Omicron variant. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1mlqt/us_health_officials_defend_the_administrations/ | 21:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: As Tennessee ends daily COVID reporting, cases are skyrocketing and could peak higher → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1myom/as_tennessee_ends_daily_covid_reporting_cases_are/ | 21:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Half of Europe to be infected with Omicron within weeks - WHO: Dr Hans Kluge says a "west-to-east tidal wave" of the coronavirus variant is sweeping across the region. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59948920 | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +368538 cases, +341 deaths since 23 hours ago — South Africa: +5668 cases, +119 deaths, +40487 tests (14.0% positive) since 23 hours ago — Spain: +134942 cases, +247 deaths since 23 hours ago — Albania: +2177 cases, +6 deaths since a day ago | 22:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Pfizer booster tied to fewer COVID cases in health workers: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Jan 11, 2022 Those who got a third dose had 12.8 cases per 100,000 person-days, vs 116 in the unboosted. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/pfizer-booster-tied-fewer-covid-cases-health-workers | 22:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Record 46% of All Covid Tests in Philippines Come Back Positive → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1nnb5/record_46_of_all_covid_tests_in_philippines_come/ | 22:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: United says 3,000 employees have COVID, but its vaccine mandate has saved lives: In a memo to employees, United CEO Scott Kirby said the airline has 3,000 employees who are currently positive for Covid but [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/11/1072167424/united-says-3-000-employees-have-covid-but-its-vaccine-mandate-has-saved-lives | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The first doses of Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine have arrived in Niger → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1o38c/the_first_doses_of_pfizers_covid19_vaccine_have/ | 22:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: OSU research shows hemp compounds prevent coronavirus from entering human cells → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1ockc/osu_research_shows_hemp_compounds_prevent/ | 22:53 |
| sdfgsdfg | I knew it ;) | 22:53 |
| sdfgsdfg | we good | 22:54 |
| sdfgsdfg | maybe this is why I never got sick | 22:56 |
| sdfgsdfg | "Van Breemen and collaborators, including scientists at Oregon Health & Science University, found that a pair of cannabinoid acids bind to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, blocking a critical step in the process the virus uses to infect people." | 22:56 |
| sdfgsdfg | this is hilarious, it's like a joke | 22:56 |
| sdfgsdfg | smoking weed everyday is now associated with preventing infection, which the vaccines are useless with. LOL | 22:57 |
| sdfgsdfg | I'd like to see the real world data though, we need more people smoking this shit | 22:58 |
| sdfgsdfg | emergency use authorization please | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Quebec to impose 'significant' financial penalty against people who refuse to get vaccinated → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1om0w/quebec_to_impose_significant_financial_penalty/ | 23:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Turkey: +72296 cases, +137 deaths, +430253 tests (16.8% positive) since 19 hours ago — Maldives: +593 cases, +5818 tests (10.2% positive) since a day ago — Algeria: +557 cases, +14 deaths since a day ago — Eswatini: +119 cases, +4 deaths since a day ago | 23:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | sdfgsdfg: the cannabis claim for covid is old, but true or not, "blocking the process" that causes infection doesn't necessarily mean blocking *every* instance of it in *every* cell, so you can't just jump from that to "it actually prevents infection unlike the vaccines" | 23:05 |
| LjL-Matrix | And by can't I also mean shouldn't | 23:06 |
| sdfgsdfg | well at least it helps | 23:06 |
| ublx | well | 23:07 |
| ublx | some compounds in smoked cannabis are anti-inflammatory | 23:08 |
| ublx | causing the smoke to be drawn deeper into your lung tissues | 23:08 |
| ublx | ie accelerating the harmful effects of smoke inhalation | 23:08 |
| ublx | so good luck balancing that risk | 23:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | also reducing blood pressure and slowing down the metabolism and breathing | 23:09 |
| sdfgsdfg | maybe it balances it out itself :P | 23:09 |
| ublx | right. save your lungs by damaging your lungs. ok | 23:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | you're definitely right of course, I'm kind of joking - but vaporizers are a good solution for the smoke particles | 23:10 |
| `St0ner | so i should pop a thc capsule or a cbd capsule? | 23:10 |
| sdfgsdfg | if that was your concern | 23:10 |
| ublx | `St0ner: sdfgsdfg's proposed mechanism would seem to require topical application in order to blockade virions | 23:12 |
| ublx | in the lungs | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Compounds in hemp block COVID-19 from entering human cells → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1osr8/compounds_in_hemp_block_covid19_from_entering/ | 23:12 |
| dTal | I wonder what the long term prognosis of smoking weed every day for your entire life is, compared to covid, in terms of QALYs. | 23:16 |
| dTal | Not great I imagine. | 23:16 |
| LjL | But maybe you'll be too stoned to notice | 23:16 |
| dTal | That's partly what I mean. I don't know how exactly they quality-adjust those life years, but sitting on a couch staring at the back of your hands with spiral pupils can't be worth as much as a normal life | 23:18 |
| LjL | :( | 23:19 |
| sdfgsdfg | that's why things are good in moderation, like holidays | 23:20 |
| sdfgsdfg | if we don't know if you lose lifespan for drinking x cups of coffee every day, it's science | 23:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Michigan Medicine CEO: ‘Health care is truly in a crisis’ amid COVID surge, staffing shortage → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s1ozym/michigan_medicine_ceo_health_care_is_truly_in_a/ | 23:22 |
| ublx | it'd be an interesting angle, though, if the discovered compounds could easily be isolated/synthesised for delivery by nasal spray/inhaler | 23:25 |
| de-facto | .title https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jnatprod.1c00946 | 23:29 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From pubs.acs.org: Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants | Journal of Natural Products | 23:29 |
| de-facto | is it this one you are talking about? | 23:29 |
| ublx | oh the article quotes the researcher, “These compounds can be taken orally and have a long history of safe use in humans,” | 23:29 |
| sdfgsdfg | oh O_O | 23:30 |
| ublx | seems likely, dTal | 23:30 |
| sdfgsdfg | just noticed the "emerging variants" | 23:30 |
| sdfgsdfg | nice | 23:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Quebec to impose health tax on unvaccinated Canadians → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s1pa64/covid_quebec_to_impose_health_tax_on_unvaccinated/ | 23:32 |
| sdfgsdfg | novavax changed their announcement from "sending to australia in january" to "Sending batches to Australia probably within months" | 23:32 |
| LjL | "Importantly, cannabigerolic acid and cannabidiolic acid were equally effective against the SARS-CoV-2 alpha variant B.1.1.7 and the beta variant B.1.351." | 23:32 |
| LjL | Emerging variants... when? :p | 23:32 |
| Arsanerit | German Bundestag (federal parliament) has introduced 2g+ (doubly vaccinated + negative test or triply vaccinated) as a requirement to enter the parliament. I am surprising such a restriction is constitutional, as it means unvaccinated parliamentarians can no longer perform their democratic representation. | 23:32 |
| LjL | Sigh Novavax doesn't seem to be as fast as the name sounds | 23:32 |
| dTal | sounds like it would only protect you while actively smoking weed | 23:33 |
| Arsanerit | I thought Novax was a nickname people gave to this tennis player | 23:33 |
| LjL | Arsanerit: that sounds a bit surprising indeed | 23:33 |
| dTal | I've definitely heard of parties where everyone caught covid, and everyone was smoking weed | 23:33 |
| sdfgsdfg | lol dTal | 23:33 |
| dTal | so... I have doubts | 23:33 |
| sdfgsdfg | maybe they were smoking it wrong | 23:33 |
| LjL | dTal: the thing is a study like that is just an in vitro thing that tells you that the compounds "have an activity" against virus entry | 23:34 |
| LjL | It doesn't tell you anything about required dosage in an actual human | 23:34 |
| LjL | Or other subtleties related to us being complex | 23:34 |
| ublx | dTal: just skimming the article.. it notes the compounds of interest are precursors to those compounds that "many are familiar with"; possibly these precursors don't remain in significant quantities in smoked hemp | 23:35 |
| dTal | smoke tons of weed, got it | 23:35 |
| LjL | "Quebec to impose health tax on unvaccinated Canadians" - I like how they managed not to call it a vaccine mandate while it is very much the same thing as our vaccine mandate, except wider :p | 23:36 |
| LjL | Far as I understand, anyone who flouts our vaccine mandate for the 50+ gets a horrendous one-off fine of €100 | 23:37 |
| * LjL waits for the audience to gasp | 23:37 | |
| `St0ner | i hope they take that money and give it to overworked nurses/doctors | 23:38 |
| LjL | It goes into the covid recovery fund | 23:38 |
| de-facto | idk about smoking weed, are those moleculesm, namely cannabidiolic acid (CBDA) and cannabigerolic acid (CBGA), even contained in weed and its smoke? | 23:38 |
| LjL | which is quite generic | 23:38 |
| LjL | I dunno but CBD oil itself is commonly consumed | 23:38 |
| de-facto | next question: there are MANY molecules blocking viruses in vitro, yet few that can also do it in vivo | 23:38 |
| LjL | So I dunno, does it need to be in the lungs or not? | 23:39 |
| Arsanerit | relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1217/ | 23:39 |
| * LjL mistakes a handgun for his commonly taken vitamin or drug, and kills himself | 23:40 | |
| * de-facto secretly stole his bullets in advance | 23:40 | |
| LjL | *grumbles* | 23:41 |
| gry | put that safety on while he is still half asleep and doesn't remember what that is | 23:41 |
| `St0ner | CBDA and CBGA are in weed, but they break down into CBD and CBG after being heated (decarboxylated) | 23:42 |
| ublx | well that's not very helpful | 23:43 |
| de-facto | IC50 live virus in vitro: CBDA: WA1 24µg/ml, B.1.1.7 11µg/ml, B.1.351 19µg/ml and CBGA WA1 37µg/ml, B.1.1.7 26µg/ml, B.1.351 35µg/ml | 23:45 |
| de-facto | idk arent those quite high concentrations? | 23:46 |
| `St0ner | Cannabinoid Decarboxylation: A Comparative Kinetic Study. Teresa Moreno, Peter Dyer, and Stephen Tallon. Industrial & Engineering Chemistry Research 2020 59 (46), 20307-20315 <- this shows the transformation of the various cannabinoid compounds at various temperatures and times | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: FDA head: Omicron is a “natural disaster… most people are gonna get COVID” → https://arstechnica.com/ | 23:51 |
| xx | uh, are we pretending that weed will fix this pandemic? | 23:51 |
| * de-facto eats the vitamin pills from LjL with relish | 23:51 | |
| Arsanerit | xx: if everyone smokes weed and forgets the pandemic, than it will cease to exist until people remember again | 23:51 |
| gry | xx, Cannabinoid was mentioned a year ago too, it's not new | 23:52 |
| Arsanerit | arguably | 23:52 |
| Arsanerit | goodnight | 23:52 |
| gry | where the hell is the URL for that statement - i don't see it | 23:52 |
| gry | ah, https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jnatprod.1c00946 | 23:53 |
| de-facto | https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/939847 https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jnatprod.1c00946 | 23:53 |
| gry | thanks de-facto ! | 23:53 |
| lastshell | if you don't get cure you forget I like that Arsanerit | 23:53 |
| de-facto | idk i am not convinced about it, it may be an intressting start for developing some molecules though | 23:53 |
| * LjL thought you meant the arstechnica link that somehow brainstorm actually failed to provide a URL for | 23:54 | |
| * Brainstorm starts to animadvert LjL with some unpalatable condescension | 23:54 | |
| xx | probably better if the war on drugs was stopped and the finances were put into covid programs instead | 23:54 |
| * LjL is animadverted | 23:54 | |
| * de-facto slurps on his mug of delicious hot Green Tea with some ginger punch | 23:58 | |
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