| LjL | i guess https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00079-6 is why Turkey is starting to go with "5th doses" on some people... they're really more like 3rd doses on people who had two Sinovacs and two mRNA, where the Sinovacs are essentially useless | 00:00 |
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| de-facto | .title https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2022.27.2.2101197?TRACK=RSS | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.eurosurveillance.org: Eurosurveillance | Waning antibody levels after COVID-19 vaccination with mRNA Comirnaty and inactivated CoronaVac vaccines in blood donors, Hong Kong, April 2020 to October 2021 | 00:09 |
| de-facto | LjL, mRNA vaccine Comirnaty (BNT162b2 mRNA, BioNTech/Fosun-Pharma, Mainz, Germany/Shanghai, China) vs inactivated CoronaVac vaccine (Sinovac Life Sciences, Beijing, China) in Hong Kong | 00:11 |
| LjL | interesting | 00:11 |
| LjL | they are not often copared | 00:11 |
| LjL | well the ELISAs certainly look different... | 00:12 |
| LjL | "With regards to limitations in our experimental methods, colorimetric ELISA is not as informative as chemiluminescence quantitative assay; we also did not perform the gold standard PRNT [16,17]." | 00:14 |
| LjL | not really sure what these things mean but maybe they mean something to some of you | 00:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Scientists Discover Gene That Increases Risk of Dying From Covid → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s453a1/scientists_discover_gene_that_increases_risk_of/ | 00:18 |
| user | https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/covid-19-faqs-hospitals-hospital-laboratory-acute-care-facility-data-reporting.pdf | 00:20 |
| user | hospital no longer required to report covid deaths ? | 00:20 |
| user | same day as this https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787944 | 00:21 |
| LjL | user, uh, that's a long piece of guidance, where does it say they're no longer required to report them? | 00:23 |
| Tuvix | Not *directly* reported vs. not reported are very different things. | 00:25 |
| Tuvix | Note that it has the stipulation about federal reporting, and sometimes the reporting flows upward elsewhere. I'm very sure no agency would just stop asking for death reports in a parsable fashion. | 00:26 |
| Tuvix | (it was presumaly duplication not needed for the specific framework being discussed.) | 00:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Michigan reports 37,114 new COVID-19 cases, 251 deaths over 2 days → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s45esq/michigan_reports_37114_new_covid19_cases_251/ | 00:27 |
| Tuvix | user: 2nd to last paragraph on p1 in the linked PDF explains exactly why this change occurred. | 00:29 |
| Tuvix | "We also recognize that many states currently collect this information from the hospitals. Therefore, hospitals may be relieved from reporting directly to the Federal government if they receive a written release from the state indicating that the state is certified and will collect the data from the hospitals and take over the hospital’s Federal reporting responsibilities." | 00:29 |
| Tuvix | It helps to read the reason why a chnage was made before getting hung up on the details; that also puts it into much-needed context, which is in this case about reducing reporting burden on already-stressed hospitals. | 00:30 |
| LjL | Tuvix, well, i think the big policy difference would be, maybe oversimplifying, to stop having an actual COVID death report of the sort that can end up in international trackers like JHU | 00:30 |
| LjL | or to be available on a daily basis, as we've gotten very used to | 00:30 |
| LjL | not saying that's what the document proposes because it's 50 pages and i haven't read it, but i assume it's either the fear, or the presumed goal, by people concerned about it | 00:31 |
| Tuvix | death columns changing to 'Federally inactive' aren't the only changes either; some therapudic counts are also changed, but without digging into that I again presume it's part of a broader plan to work through states as distribution is worked out. I've seen local guidance around here from some of the county health notifications that, while we have received initial COVID treatments (eg: Pfizer oral | 00:33 |
| Tuvix | treatments) they're in very limited supply. | 00:33 |
| Tuvix | Reporting is still required 7-days a week, with some delays accepting on weekends in order to supply the weekend data on the following Monday. | 00:34 |
| Tuvix | user: If you really want to dig further into this, you might focus on the referenced "STLT government" partners and what the standards are there. I've lost interest in following this rabit hole though. | 00:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Contagiousness may linger beyond five days; COVID-19 worse for vapers → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s461k8/contagiousness_may_linger_beyond_five_days/ | 00:56 |
| ZdrytchX | .cases australia | 01:01 |
| Brainstorm | ZdrytchX: Australia has had 1.4 million confirmed cases (5.5% of all people) and 2522 deaths (0.2% of cases; 1 in 10174 people) as of a day ago. 58.0 million tests were done (2.4% positive). 20.5 million were vaccinated (79.8%). +154145 cases since 22 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia&legacy=no | 01:01 |
| Brainstorm | ZdrytchX: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Australia, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 01:01 |
| ZdrytchX | holdup | 01:01 |
| ZdrytchX | what the fuck | 01:01 |
| LjL | Hmm? | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New study shows marijuana compounds could provide protection against COVID → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s46edm/new_study_shows_marijuana_compounds_could_provide/ | 01:15 |
| xx | number of new cases per day has been increasing every day of this year, right? | 01:17 |
| LjL | Worldwide? | 01:18 |
| xx | yeah, total world cases | 01:19 |
| LjL | It's kind of mindblowing, Italy has had 8.35m total cases, and of those, 2.4m are still marked as currently positive | 01:19 |
| LjL | I think this wave will end like the previous ones did, i.e. before infecting "everyone", but still, damn | 01:19 |
| xx | have a table somewhere showing currently active cases as a percentage of all total cases in that country so far | 01:20 |
| LjL | %cases | 01:20 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: the world has had 322.0 million confirmed cases (4.2% of all people) and 5.6 million deaths (1.7% of cases; 1 in 1378 people) as of a day ago. 4.7 billion tests were done (6.8% positive). 3.4 billion were vaccinated (44.0%). +780 cases since a day ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=the%20world&legacy=no | 01:20 |
| LjL | Not entirely sure that + part makes sense | 01:21 |
| LjL | Or the URL | 01:21 |
| LjL | Whatever | 01:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 in Arkansas: State tops 80,000 active cases, passes 1,300 hospitalizations for the first time since summer → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s47dl7/covid19_in_arkansas_state_tops_80000_active_cases/ | 02:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Prospective mapping of viral mutations that escape antibodies used to treat COVID-19 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s47nzs/prospective_mapping_of_viral_mutations_that/ | 02:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Gov. Kathy Hochul says New York ‘turning the corner’ on latest COVID surge → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s47v21/gov_kathy_hochul_says_new_york_turning_the_corner/ | 02:22 |
| lastshell | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says | 02:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID cases in Mass. dropping, but rising hospitalizations combined with staffing shortages are hurting system → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s47x2l/covid_cases_in_mass_dropping_but_rising/ | 02:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Some 97.8% of Malaysian adults fully vaxxed → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s483pb/some_978_of_malaysian_adults_fully_vaxxed/ | 02:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Florida breaks record with 430,297 COVID cases this week → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s48diq/florida_breaks_record_with_430297_covid_cases/ | 02:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Southwest Florida hospitals restrict care as workers fall to COVID — during busiest time of year → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s48m2j/southwest_florida_hospitals_restrict_care_as/ | 02:59 |
| user | Tuvix: well as you may know many states have covid deniers in charge of their governments, so having 'the states' do things, is not comforting to me | 03:14 |
| user | more like further sign, of a botched federal level response, the guy is charge is Zietz or something | 03:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Students walkout of classes to demand safer COVID protocols → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s48y9y/students_walkout_of_classes_to_demand_safer_covid/ | 03:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Unvaccinated pregnant women more likely to experience severe covid symptoms and newborn deaths, study says → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s496ku/unvaccinated_pregnant_women_more_likely_to/ | 03:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Study finds face masks cut distance airborne pathogens could travel in half → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4977a/study_finds_face_masks_cut_distance_airborne/ | 03:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Nature: Immunological dysfunction persists for 8 months following initial mild-to-moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s49m56/nature_immunological_dysfunction_persists_for_8/ | 03:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Italy Set to Boost Compensation Fund for Vaccine Side Effects → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s4and6/italy_set_to_boost_compensation_fund_for_vaccine/ | 04:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Research shows that for people over 50, even 'mild' COVID‑19 can result in mobility problems → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s4av0x/research_shows_that_for_people_over_50_even_mild/ | 04:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: UK Professor of Emerging Infectious Diseases suspects the R_0 of Omicron could be as high as 10. (Original/ Ancestral strain had an R_0 of~2.5) → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s4b0r7/uk_professor_of_emerging_infectious_diseases/ | 05:04 |
| sdfgsdfg | the latest study "Nature: Immunological dysfunction persists for 8 months following initial mild-to-moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection" is going big | 05:31 |
| sdfgsdfg | explores more of the autoimmunity and mentions at some point "There was a 10% trend toward some improvement of symptoms over time in LC, but this trend was not statistically significant (Fisher’s exact P = 0.44)." | 05:33 |
| sdfgsdfg | and that's after 8 months | 05:33 |
| sdfgsdfg | is it also true about 10 to 30 % of infections (especially mild to moderate cases) are going long haul ? | 05:35 |
| sdfgsdfg | " LC affects between 10% and 30% of community-managed COVID-19 cases 2 to 3 months after infection" https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.12.15.20248096 and http://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?&title=Characteristics%20of%20adult%20outpatients%20and%20inpatients%20with%20COVID-19%20-%2011%20academic%20medical%20centers%2C%20United%20States%2C%20March-May%202020&journal=MMWR%20Morb.%20Mortal.%20Wkly%20Rep.&volume=69&pages=841-846&publication_year=2020&aut | 05:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | hor=Tenforde%2CMW | 05:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | oo come on, that split the last url... | 05:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | http://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?&title=Characteristics%20of%20adult%20outpatients%20and%20inpatients%20with%20COVID-19%20-%2011%20academic%20medical%20centers%2C%20United%20States%2C%20March-May%202020&journal=MMWR%20Morb.%20Mortal.%20Wkly%20Rep.&volume=69&pages=841-846&publication_year=2020&author=Tenforde%2CMW | 05:38 |
| sdfgsdfg | these stats are from st vincent, it's from Sydney.... right here. I just noticed, wtf. 95% vax rate | 05:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: SARS-CoV-2 placentitis associated with B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant and fetal distress or demise → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s4bpt2/sarscov2_placentitis_associated_with_b16172_delta/ | 05:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Medical professionals urge Spotify to crack down on Covid misinformation. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4brsq/medical_professionals_urge_spotify_to_crack_down/ | 05:52 |
| LjL | sdfgsdfg, 10% to 30% seems to match what i've read (it's a fairly wide range) | 05:53 |
| LjL | i also recall vaccination is believed to reduce the odds by half | 05:53 |
| LjL | (in addition to whatever reduced odds it gives you to simply not get covid, which depend on the variant) | 05:53 |
| LjL | unfortunately i've read things claiming even higher than 30% | 05:54 |
| LjL | also how much Long COVID Omicron will cause is a complete unknown at this point, i believe | 05:54 |
| LjL | and goodnight | 05:54 |
| sdfgsdfg | gn | 06:03 |
| sdfgsdfg | higher than 30%...... shit. Reading this paper was horrifying enough | 06:04 |
| sdfgsdfg | exactly - I remember that too about vax reducing odds by half. I was looking for this- the vax status in this paper I don't think there is a mention of it | 06:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 853: COVID-19 clinical update #97 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #97, Daniel Griffin covers immunity after infection recognized by CDC, outcomes before and after Omicron, infectious viral load in Delta vs Omicron, PCR vs rapid antigen tests, booster interval shortened to 5 [... want %more?] → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-853/ | 06:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: S. Korea: Daily cases over 4,000 for 4th day amid extended virus curbs → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4cl6p/s_korea_daily_cases_over_4000_for_4th_day_amid/ | 06:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Weeks into Florida's omicron wave, surge of COVID-19 deaths begins → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4ecce/weeks_into_floridas_omicron_wave_surge_of_covid19/ | 08:14 |
| camelia[m] | Is it worth getting a 4th shot of moderna? for healthy individuals | 08:41 |
| sdfgsdfg | studies say it's really much better than the third dose | 08:42 |
| sdfgsdfg | so it only gets better | 08:44 |
| camelia[m] | thanks, i'll look into it then! | 08:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New Study Shows Mask Wearing Has Changed What We Find Attractive → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4fde6/new_study_shows_mask_wearing_has_changed_what_we/ | 09:20 |
| sdfgsdfg | "...new research found a face covered with a disposable-type surgical mask was likely to be deemed the most “appealing.” In other words, people were perceived to be more attractive when masked." | 09:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: If you have a PC, you can install Folding@home to help fight Covid-19. → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s4fhn9/if_you_have_a_pc_you_can_install_foldinghome_to/ | 09:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron: Is 'natural immunity' better than a vaccine? → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4fz7w/omicron_is_natural_immunity_better_than_a_vaccine/ | 10:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Il Sole 24 Ore: Salute: Il “liberi tutti” che divide: mini-quarantena e niente tampone per i positivi asintomatici → https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/il-liberi-tutti-che-divide-mini-quarantena-e-niente-tampone-i-positivi-asintomatici-AEBS6I8 | 10:26 |
| camelia[m] | Prob fake, but still a funny headline: "Police Break Up 50-Person Sex Orgy After Busting Covid Rule-Breaking Brothel" | 10:36 |
| sdfgsdfg | where !??? where is it, is it here in australia | 10:47 |
| * sdfgsdfg starts looking for it | 10:48 | |
| sdfgsdfg | I expect nothing less when the pandemic ends, it could be a global orgy lol | 10:48 |
| sdfgsdfg | it's probably far from over though :( | 10:49 |
| sdfgsdfg | oh... Spain | 10:50 |
| sdfgsdfg | not surprised at all | 10:50 |
| sdfgsdfg | I bet it's Barcelona | 10:51 |
| sdfgsdfg | yep, it says it's near Barcelona | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Fauci shut down lab leak theory despite scientists lending it credence, emails show → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4gtes/fauci_shut_down_lab_leak_theory_despite/ | 11:04 |
| sdfgsdfg | fauci fauci | 11:12 |
| LjL | guess what, the Italian thing above says "we want" 5-day quarantines with no swab at the end | 11:16 |
| LjL | totally not coordinating, by, uhm, following whatever the US decides | 11:16 |
| LjL | and as to Fauci and a lab leak, the lab leak theory will only ever appear on tabloids that only have the effect of discrediting it, obvious as it may be when you look at the pieces | 11:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid global report: Omicron alert in southern Chinese city bordering Macau → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4h4i9/covid_global_report_omicron_alert_in_southern/ | 11:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Molnupiravir, the Covid-19 pill, to be developed in Thailand → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4heit/molnupiravir_the_covid19_pill_to_be_developed_in/ | 11:42 |
| xx | sdfgsdfg: there already are orgies where you need to present a clean test | 11:42 |
| xx | but it has always been that way | 11:42 |
| xx | just now you also include a test result for covid | 11:42 |
| sdfgsdfg | and scan some qr code ? | 11:42 |
| sdfgsdfg | thats not bad | 11:43 |
| camelia[m] | <sdfgsdfg> "yep, it says it's near Barcelona..." <- wth, it's real? | 12:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Omicron variant spreads across China | NHK WORLD-JAPAN News → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4i5fl/omicron_variant_spreads_across_china_nhk/ | 12:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: With hundreds of nurses out sick, San Antonio lawmakers of both parties ask for governor’s help staffing hospitals → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4il6e/with_hundreds_of_nurses_out_sick_san_antonio/ | 12:57 |
| Tuvix | Weird legal goins on in Florida from the palmbeachpost.com (via reddit) link above about that state: "Florida health officials have been irregularly releasing the variants data to media since late spring 2021 because news outlets have retained lawyers to negotiate for it." | 12:59 |
| Tuvix | I don't knwo why the helath department would want to make that hard to get unless it advanced some PR agenda or the Gov. thought it would help obtain the antivirals for the rapidly-declining Delta varient. | 13:00 |
| dTal_ | florida's cray cray | 13:03 |
| Tuvix | Yea, it strikes me as playing games with information. I could be reading the intended meaning wrong and perhaps someone is making it hard specifically because news outlets retained lawyers. That also wouldn't suprise me :\ | 13:04 |
| Tuvix | And meanwhile I'm sure the career health officials are sick of it all and just want to be left to do their jobs, not follow political edicts. | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: For Texas children, COVID-19 hospitalizations are outpacing vaccinations → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4iobt/for_texas_children_covid19_hospitalizations_are/ | 13:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: I compiled a spreadsheet of N95 masks that can be ordered online from a variety of retailers, to avoid having to search multiple sites (Note: US retailers) → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4itm3/i_compiled_a_spreadsheet_of_n95_masks_that_can_be/ | 13:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Cruises sail into a new era of Covid self-policing: It’s the latest in a series of mixed messages sent by the CDC, not only about how safe it is to cruise but a host of other Covid restrictions, as the agency tries to cope with Omicron’s onslaught. → https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/15/cruise-ships-covid-cdc-527159 | 13:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 15JAN22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/s4jasw/global_covid_cases_for_15jan22/ | 13:35 |
| aradesh | UK cases going down but deaths going up | 13:41 |
| Tuvix | That'll generally be the trend where there's a notable and sustained (vs. just a few days' jitter) decline in cases since it takes 2-3 weeks for people to get seriously ill and die from complications. | 13:43 |
| lastshell | I can see also deaths increase in US | 13:46 |
| Tuvix | Yea, that's been the trend and the single-day counts are still currently at a higher rate than the 7-day average is, meaning we're still in the upswing. Cases too, at least from a national view. | 13:47 |
| Tuvix | If you soom in a bit to the right-end of this graph (drag the starting timeline with the bar at the bottom) you can see that the trend is a still-increasing positive case figure: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases_7daydeathsper100k | 13:48 |
| lastshell | http://0x0.st/o-xb.png | 13:51 |
| Tuvix | Even post-Delta, nation-wide the death rate was still around 4 to 5 times the pre-Delta all-pandemic low. We barely got to half the fatality rate of Delta's peak before Omicron's upswing started. | 13:51 |
| lastshell | so because omicron is less lethat but more spread we will see also similar number of deaths ? | 13:52 |
| Tuvix | That depends a bit on how long the surge lasts and how sharp the falloff is. | 13:52 |
| Tuvix | Notice that after mid-Sept we didn't really "recovr" well from Delta; compare that to the much more rapid decline from last winter's surge (before vaccines) in the early Jan 2021 to mid-March. | 13:53 |
| Tuvix | Last winter we fairly quickly halved the death rate and then continued a gradual recovery; by Delta (and anyone who wanted vaccines could get them by then) the recovery was much slower and never made it as far. And now Omicron. | 13:53 |
| Tuvix | CDC is predicting 62,000 deaths over the next 4 weeks, which averages to about 2200 daily. Expressed as a 7-day per 100k, that'd be roughly 4.6/100k | 13:55 |
| lastshell | yikes | 13:55 |
| Tuvix | If that prediction holds, we'd expect the death peak to be a bit over that (since that'd be the average rate) and then decline. How quickly really depends on fators like how fast the caseload falls and the continued impact of vaccines and how many unvaccinated we have at greater risk. | 13:56 |
| Arsanerit | How does that compare to earlier peaks or other countries? | 13:56 |
| Tuvix | JHU has a list of various countries and you can compare them pretty directly if you set each graph below to the "Deaths/100k pop." in the dropdown here: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/cumulative-cases | 13:57 |
| Tuvix | Notably, if you comapre the US to the UK which has seen similar overall trends and generally similar rates of death (neither doing well compared to many other countires I'll point out) you can see the US has not done as well as the UK has in terms of the acceleration of fatal outcomes recently. | 13:58 |
| Tuvix | Actually, it really looks like the US took a turn for the worse on that comparison _during_ Delta. | 13:59 |
| Tuvix | The realtively low vaccination rate in many parts of the country likely contributed, and the almost complete lack of prevention measures in general. | 13:59 |
| Tuvix | Zooming in a bit to the US map around July - Sept 2021, you can see a "knee" on the curve where the rate of death shoots up notably. That's Delta having a greater impact, and the slope of that line doesn't really improve like it did elsewhere. | 14:01 |
| Tuvix | Here's that comparision of US vs. UK deaths during Delta: https://imgur.com/a/h57LlV5 | 14:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Calls grow for UK PM to resign over lockdown ‘parties’ → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s4jp80/calls_grow_for_uk_pm_to_resign_over_lockdown/ | 14:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Germany: Omicron wave breaks new weekly cases record → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4jxmf/germany_omicron_wave_breaks_new_weekly_cases/ | 14:23 |
| Arsanerit | Doing worse than the UK? Wow. | 14:23 |
| Tuvix | Yes, the US out-paced the UK in deaths per capita a number of weeks back. | 14:24 |
| Tuvix | (mostly a result of the trend I highlighted in that comparison) | 14:25 |
| Tuvix | They were very close for most of the pandemic, but the US is now on a steady pace of a slightly higher death-rate than the UK for enough months that the divide is only getting wider. | 14:26 |
| Tuvix | Arsanerit: It's the same link I posted before, but use the 2nd chart from the top (of the 2 wide ones) labeled 'Commulative cases by date', set the chart to plot 'Deaths/100k pop.' and disable all but the US & UK to see a pandemic-long comparison. | 14:27 |
| Tuvix | Then compare that to say our northern neighbor here, Canada. | 14:28 |
| Tuvix | (Oh, canada is no longer in the top-10 for that plot. Anyway they're doing much better, < 100/100k on that plot) | 14:28 |
| Tuvix | Oh, the link if you needed it again: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/cumulative-cases | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Fourth dose of Covid-19 vaccine isn’t justified at the moment, says French health department → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4k96e/fourth_dose_of_covid19_vaccine_isnt_justified_at/ | 14:42 |
| Arsanerit | ah, cumulative | 14:43 |
| Tuvix | And current rate (note the rate of change of the US is still out-pacing the UK in per-capita deaths) | 14:43 |
| Arsanerit | I thought per week | 14:44 |
| Tuvix | Just compare the total per-capita charts below (the small square ones.) The steeper the slope, the worse that country is doing at any given point in time. | 14:45 |
| Tuvix | (again, with deaths/100k pop. as the measure) | 14:45 |
| Tuvix | You can't directly compare raw death totals since the US has many more people. | 14:45 |
| Arsanerit | I know. | 14:47 |
| Arsanerit | But you were quoting a figure of 4.6/100k per week | 14:47 |
| Arsanerit | which doesn't seem to show directly from the graphs | 14:47 |
| Arsanerit | I know how to take derivatives (: | 14:47 |
| Tuvix | 4.6/100k is based on the CDC's warning / prediction that the US could see up to 62,000 deaths over 4 weeks. | 14:48 |
| Tuvix | 4 weeks = 28 days, so 62k / 28 days == 2214 deaths per day (let's just call that 2200.) | 14:49 |
| Tuvix | To convert daily deaths to a per-capita 7-day average, we take 2200 and divide by the US population (about 331M based on 2019 Census data pre-pandemic) and express that in terms of 100,000, so that's 3310. Take 2200 (daily deaths) divided by US population of 3310 (units of 100,000 residents) to get the daily per-capita number. | 14:51 |
| Tuvix | Then multiply that by 7 to get a weekly value that matches the 7-day CDC per-capita charts. | 14:51 |
| Tuvix | 2200 / 3310 * 7 ≈ 4.6 per 100,000 population. | 14:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Think you had COVID despite testing negative? What to know about antibody tests → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4kanc/think_you_had_covid_despite_testing_negative_what/ | 14:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: What the Omicron Wave Looks Like at One Brooklyn E.R. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4kkq0/what_the_omicron_wave_looks_like_at_one_brooklyn/ | 15:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Patients Drive Hours to ERs as Omicron Variant Overwhelms Rural Hospitals → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4knlm/patients_drive_hours_to_ers_as_omicron_variant/ | 15:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 6 reasons not to get omicron right now : Shots → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4ktrt/6_reasons_not_to_get_omicron_right_now_shots/ | 15:20 |
| ublx | https://twitter.com/lisa_iannattone/status/1482153556660600833 | 15:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Subvariant of Omikron wins in Denmark → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4lk7b/subvariant_of_omikron_wins_in_denmark/ | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Research shows that for people over 50, even 'mild' COVID‑19 can result in mobility problems → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4lnap/research_shows_that_for_people_over_50_even_mild/ | 15:58 |
| Tuvix | From the NYT article about that Brooklyn ER, "Patients were crammed into every corner, their gurneys arranged, Ms. Williams thought, like blocks in a game of Tetris." | 16:03 |
| Tuvix | Sounds like something you'd expect to see on a fictional work of TV like M*A*S*H and not a 21st century 1st world country :\ | 16:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Psychological Predictors of Self-reported COVID-19 Outcomes: Results From a Prospective Cohort Study | Annals of Behavioral Medicine → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4lrva/psychological_predictors_of_selfreported_covid19/ | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Closed floors, sick staff, Alabama hospitals hit by resignations now stretched by omicron → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4m23v/closed_floors_sick_staff_alabama_hospitals_hit_by/ | 16:18 |
| camelia[m] | LjL: can we have brainstorm throw in some RSS links from https://lemmy.ml/c/coronavirus occasionally? Lemmy is decentralized FOSS like reddit so it loads no trackers or ads compared to reddit. And decrease the number of reddit links in the RSS feed to compensate | 16:19 |
| Tuvix | The reality is there's more inertia for other systems. You're free of course to use alternative browsing profiles (firefox containers are quite neat for that) or if you really want to, load them via TBB. | 16:22 |
| Tuvix | Reducing a higher-rate content stream for a lower-one proportinally means a lot of information is missed. Fewer comments means those skimming posts before opening links have less (or no, in some of those posts) information to base that on. These all feel like drawbacks to me | 16:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Hoax linking Covid-19 to bacteria and 5G mobile technology resurfaces in South Africa → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4m9gv/hoax_linking_covid19_to_bacteria_and_5g_mobile/ | 16:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Thousands take holy dip in India's Ganges River amid Covid surge → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s4mhkf/thousands_take_holy_dip_in_indias_ganges_river/ | 16:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Halting Progress and Happy Accidents: How mRNA Vaccines Were Made → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4mvdr/halting_progress_and_happy_accidents_how_mrna/ | 16:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The Worst of the Omicron Wave Could Still Be Coming → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4n3l3/the_worst_of_the_omicron_wave_could_still_be/ | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid cases have hit plateau in parts of UK, says top medical adviser → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4n9j4/covid_cases_have_hit_plateau_in_parts_of_uk_says/ | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Israel reports improvement of severe Omicron patients within a week → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/s4nqcg/israel_reports_improvement_of_severe_omicron/ | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: No Omicron immunity without booster, study finds → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4obyj/no_omicron_immunity_without_booster_study_finds/ | 18:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Why Experts Say Nausea and Throwing Up May Be Unpredictable Signs of Omicron COVID-19 Infections → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s4ogb2/why_experts_say_nausea_and_throwing_up_may_be/ | 18:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virology.ws: TWiV 853: COVID-19 clinical update #97 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #97, Daniel Griffin covers immunity after infection recognized by CDC, outcomes before and after Omicron, infectious viral load in Delta vs Omicron, PCR vs rapid [... want %more?] → https://www.virology.ws/2022/01/15/twiv-853-covid-19-clinical-update-97-with-dr-daniel-griffin/ | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Expect more worrisome variants after omicron, scientists say | AP News → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s4p8yp/expect_more_worrisome_variants_after_omicron/ | 18:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Why you shouldn't just 'get COVID over with' → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4pw0e/why_you_shouldnt_just_get_covid_over_with/ | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Reported UK Covid cases at lowest level for a month → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s4q43n/reported_uk_covid_cases_at_lowest_level_for_a/ | 19:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Polish COVID advisers quit over lack of science influence on policy → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s4q854/polish_covid_advisers_quit_over_lack_of_science/ | 19:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus digest: New French booster rules disqualify previously vaccinated. Half a million vaccinated people in France have lost their proof of vaccination and will require boosters. Meanwhile, China has begun to shut down another large city → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s4qlt5/coronavirus_digest_new_french_booster_rules/ | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Necessity of COVID-19 Vaccination in Persons Who Have Already Had COVID-19 → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s4r3ed/necessity_of_covid19_vaccination_in_persons_who/ | 19:48 |
| mwsd82 | Hello there! | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Ivermectin Prophylaxis Used for COVID-19: A Citywide, Prospective, Observational Study of 223,128 Subjects Using Propensity Score Matching → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s4rifu/ivermectin_prophylaxis_used_for_covid19_a/ | 20:07 |
| Tuvix | That source is a very low-effort publisher, to any wanting a quick gut-check. They don't seem to have a very careful review process prior to any publications that appear. | 20:13 |
| Tuvix | Not everything there is bad, but the bar to publication is excessively low. | 20:14 |
| LjL | first time i even hear of it (that i remember) | 20:18 |
| Tuvix | Ugh, and you can't even get a PDF copy without supplying an email that they'll put you on a list for. Lovely. | 20:18 |
| Tuvix | Strikes me as a plubcation factory without any care for the quality of their content. | 20:18 |
| Tuvix | LjL: From a quick bit of skimming results about this site (not from the site itslef) it seems they "crowd source" the peer review process :\ | 20:19 |
| LjL | Tuvix, not sure that's necessarily worse than the two unpaid somewhat random researchers that are typical :P but yeah maybe it's a bad sign | 20:21 |
| LjL | anyway one comment from the sub goes "I think we have passed the point where we can rely on observational studies for ivermectin. This will be determined by large RCTs, or not at all." and i'd like to echo that | 20:21 |
| Tuvix | Erm, alrady on p2 of the publication it's got some alarming (and lacking a citation I'll add) claims of that drug's anti-viral use. That's notably contradicted specifically by more reputable publications, such as: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7539925 | 20:25 |
| Tuvix | In fact, the only mention of in *vivo* in the dubious study is the title of a reference used, but they don't actually address the underlying issue at all near as I can tell with a quick look at that section. | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Minority acceptance of combo flu-COVID vaccine higher than for COVID alone → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4rp0y/minority_acceptance_of_combo_flucovid_vaccine/ | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: This is what Quebec's doctors and nurses are seeing in ERs during the Omicron wave → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4svrd/this_is_what_quebecs_doctors_and_nurses_are/ | 21:22 |
| LjL | god this is not China... | 21:34 |
| LjL | apparently in Sassari (Sardinia, Italy), a pregnant woman who had pains was refused entry to the ER because she "needed a negative PCR" (?!) | 21:34 |
| LjL | sure, some 24 hours before i have an emergency, i'll make sure i get a PCR first | 21:34 |
| LjL | her child died | 21:34 |
| LjL | or more specifically, they'd normally had done a PCR themselves but it was the weekend and a PCR was not available so she was told to come back on Monday | 21:35 |
| LjL | https://www.unionesarda.it/en/sardinia/sassari-rejected-in-the-emergency-room-loses-the-child-the-report-is-ready-the-ministry-sends-the-inspectors-w8ib3fu3 (the article is in English, can't vouch on the quality of the English though) | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: N.J. COVID deaths surpass 30,000 as state reports 121 more deaths, 14,692 cases → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4tbdh/nj_covid_deaths_surpass_30000_as_state_reports/ | 21:41 |
| Arsanerit | I read that about China | 21:41 |
| Tuvix | Indeeed, China had a similar incident that resulted in a rule that ERs must not turn people away in need of medical care. | 21:42 |
| LjL | Tuvix, yeah but jesus, normally i have an idea of China being extremely strict with their lockdowns and Xi'an having quite some hardships from it. i never know if it's all exaggerated, but *if* something like this happens, it's inhumane to an unthinkable extent (to me) regardless of whether it's China or Italy | 21:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 Zotero group: Persistence of clinically relevant levels of SARS-CoV2 envelope gene subgenomic RNAs in non-immunocompromised individuals: Type Journal Article Author Merlin Davies Author Laura R. Bramwell Author Nicola Jeffery Author Ben Bunce Author Ben P. Lee Author Bridget Knight Author Cressida [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/GVMFQMW6 | 22:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 Zotero group: Ancestral SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells cross-recognize Omicron: Type Journal Article Author Yu Gao Author Curtis Cai Author Alba Grifoni Author Thomas R. Müller Author Julia Niessl Author Anna Olofsson Author Marion Humbert Author Lotta Hansson Author Anders Österborg Author Peter [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/TEJGTI6S | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Heterologous immunization with inactivated vaccine followed by mRNA booster elicits strong humoral and cellular immune responses against the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s4vbad/heterologous_immunization_with_inactivated/ | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Nurses across the U.S. strike against COVID working conditions → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4vclb/nurses_across_the_us_strike_against_covid_working/ | 23:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Emergency rooms nearing 'crisis levels' in parts of California as Omicron surges → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4w0gy/emergency_rooms_nearing_crisis_levels_in_parts_of/ | 23:45 |
| LjL | If this is not the same study as the other day (can't look right now) then it's nice there are finally some comparisons and booster tests that aren't compartmentalized between "western vaccines" and "Chinese vaccines" Brainstorm: New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Heterologous immunization with inactivated vaccine followed by mRNA booster elicits strong humoral and cellular immune responses against the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant → | 23:50 |
| LjL | https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/s4vbad/heterologous_immunization_with_inactivated/ | 23:50 |
| Tuvix | I'm hoping that also means possibly positive results from some of the upcoming inactivated virus options for a post-recovery from COVID boost for those who do finally decide that vaccination after an initial (or series of) infections is a good idea. | 23:53 |
| Tuvix | In the previously-unvaccinated group, that is, or I suppose even the undervaccinated. | 23:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Canadian COVID-19 vaccine study seized on by anti-vaxxers — highlighting dangers of early research in pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/s4w6r2/canadian_covid19_vaccine_study_seized_on_by/ | 23:55 |
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