| Jigsy | Another of my neighbors caught COVID. | 00:06 |
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| aruns | I'm sorry. | 00:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Eric Topol on Substack: Eric Topol: Where do we stand with Omicron? → https://erictopol.substack.com/p/where-do-we-stand-with-omicron | 00:12 |
| de-facto | I wonder how long it takes till people put away their wishful thinking in order to at least try to get a more realistic view. | 00:14 |
| de-facto | its always the same, people wish its harmless and mild, then get overwhelmed by the magnitude of the wave | 00:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Where do we stand with Omicron?I've summarized the new data, math, patterns, and potential exit ramperictopol.substack.com/p/where-do-we-… @SubstackInc → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1485027016449482756 | 00:21 |
| finely[m] | Omicron may not be more infectious because it causes a higher viral load in the upper airway (I think this finding was an in petri study). That brainstorm post of higher environmental stability may be the real reason. | 00:25 |
| dTal | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.05.22268800v2 | 00:38 |
| aruns | I have a question | 00:39 |
| dTal | x-posting this - according to this, vaccination fully protects against long covid | 00:39 |
| aruns | If I look at https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/how-to-calculate-covid-19-stats-for-your-area for instance, what do they mean by "per 100,000 population"? | 00:39 |
| aruns | From the article: "Douglas County has a population of about 571,000. Testing 200 per 100,000 per day is 1,142 tests every day or 7,994 per week." I can produce the daily figure by 571000 * 200 / 100000 | 00:40 |
| dTal | what's your question? | 00:41 |
| aruns | I asked it dTal | 00:41 |
| aruns | What do they mean by per 100,000 population? | 00:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Overwhelmed hospitals use 'Safe at Home' program to treat some Fredericksburg-area COVID patients → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/safbcz/overwhelmed_hospitals_use_safe_at_home_program_to/ | 00:41 |
| dTal | ...they mean exactly that. The number of tests divided by the number of people, multiplied by 100,000 | 00:42 |
| aruns | Is it treating the 100,000 as a sample of the total population? | 00:42 |
| aruns | Is the 100,000 a scale factor? | 00:42 |
| dTal | Yes, it's a convenient slice of the population. You might say "out of 100,000 people, how many have been tested?" | 00:43 |
| aruns | dTal: That doesn't give you the daily figure they have in the article though | 00:43 |
| aruns | So it's more of a segment | 00:43 |
| dTal | this is so that you can compare places with different populations | 00:43 |
| aruns | I see, thanks | 00:43 |
| dTal | if you try and plot a graph of US vs UK cases for example, and just use the raw numbers, US has more because it's bigger | 00:44 |
| aruns | So would the 100,000 tested people be gathered by random sampling? | 00:44 |
| dTal | no they're not literally 100,000 actual people, it's just a mathematical figure of speech | 00:44 |
| aruns | OK thanks | 00:45 |
| dTal | You just take the number of cases and divide by the population | 00:45 |
| dTal | that gives some quite small number, like 0.0001 | 00:45 |
| dTal | so you multiply by 100,000 so it becomes an integer | 00:46 |
| aruns | I see, so it's more about setting a realistic target? | 00:46 |
| aruns | And the 100,000 is more of a scale factor I guess | 00:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Long hauler says catching Omicron made long-term symptoms worse → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/safki6/long_hauler_says_catching_omicron_made_longterm/ | 00:51 |
| dTal | it's just a way to relate to it | 00:53 |
| dTal | it's like saying "how many people in a big stadium would have covid" | 00:53 |
| aruns | I see, thanks. | 00:54 |
| de-facto | also per 100k is quite convenient as it relates to percentage in an obvious way | 00:59 |
| de-facto | same for per 700k if weekly incidence should be derived from daily incidence | 01:01 |
| LjL | <dTal> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.05.22268800v2 <dTal> x-posting this - according to this, vaccination fully protects against long covid ← "brings it back to baseline", i guess it's legitimate to wonder whether previous studies (or study? 'cause i really only remember some UK one) on long COVID protection by vaccine considered that an ammount of people will *always* report fatigue etc regardless of prior COVID. i guess an | 01:04 |
| LjL | y sane study would consider that, but i really don't remember whether that one did, and if it didn't, then the findings become roughly compatible (since i remember some ~50%) | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Omicron BA.2 Variant (Dr. Syed) → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/sag3fu/omicron_ba2_variant_dr_syed/ | 01:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Kiribati and Samoa implement rare lockdowns after travelers test positive: Dozens of travelers from Fiji tested positive in Kiribati, prompting the island nation to implement its first lockdown. Samoa's order followed a cluster of [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/01/22/1075110846/samoa-kiribati-covid-lockdowns-international-travel | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Durability of Omicron neutralizing antibodies 4 months after a booster dose of mRNA vaccine biorxiv.org/content/10.110… pic.twitter.com/tf9wsWQCRy → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1485060379411578883 | 02:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): First time we've seen Omicron nAbs this far out (4 months) and they're unexpectedly still quite high, which is great → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1485062004922466305 | 02:38 |
| lastshell | https://youtu.be/ctFs7zACr7E | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): It was the same day that Chinese authorities imposed a lockdown on Wuhan to contain the widening epidemic. pic.twitter.com/mendXiiQKP → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1485065203607818240 | 02:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Total resistance: Tens of thousands protest against Covid vaccine pass in France | World News → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/sai119/total_resistance_tens_of_thousands_protest/ | 03:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections elicit potent, broad and durable neutralizing antibody responses → https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/sai7q1/sarscov2_breakthrough_infections_elicit_potent/ | 03:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): Journal Cell: "While one-or two-dose vaccine regimens fail to induce anti-Omicron neutralizing antibodies, a homologous third-dose booster rescues neutralization function... where recalled immunity extends antibody reach across SARS-CoV-2 [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1485082991680499713 | 03:55 |
| jbwncster | https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/22/kiribati-first-lockdown-covid-cases-flight/ | 04:17 |
| lastshell | https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/590926-pfizer-ceo-says-frequent-boosters-not-a-good-scenario-hopes-for-yearly | 04:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern cancels her wedding amid new Omicron restrictions → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/sajfu8/new_zealand_pm_jacinda_ardern_cancels_her_wedding/ | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: A treatment for Covid including Omicron is in development called COVIDROPS Administrerd in the nose in one minute the Antibodie attaches to the Virus. → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/sakxaq/a_treatment_for_covid_including_omicron_is_in/ | 05:51 |
| LjL | the Antibodie? | 06:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘Such is life’: New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern cancels wedding amid Omicron surge | World News → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/sam30t/such_is_life_new_zealand_pm_jacinda_ardern/ | 06:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India's COVID-19 cases rise by more than 330,000 in last 24 hours → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/samlel/indias_covid19_cases_rise_by_more_than_330000_in/ | 07:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | January 23, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/saokqp/daily_discussion_thread_january_23_2022/ | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: Israeli new law: proof of vaccination or recovery proof to be used in public transportation → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/sapa47/israeli_new_law_proof_of_vaccination_or_recovery/ | 09:50 |
| xx | such a bad law | 10:11 |
| xx | instead people should present a recent covid test | 10:11 |
| jbwncster | xx: get the fucking vaccine | 11:05 |
| xx | jbwncster: huh? | 11:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Zealand PM Ardern cancels wedding amid Omicron wave → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/saqaw6/new_zealand_pm_ardern_cancels_wedding_amid/ | 11:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Meaghan Kall (@kallmemeg): Yes, BA.2 is increasing in the UK It may have a slight growth advantage but no evidence at all yet that it can evade Omicron (BA.1) immunity or be different to Omicron in any meaningful way. Variants will continue to emerge, but not all variants will be a problem. → https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1485198018953555969 | 11:55 |
| KevinX | or* | 12:03 |
| KevinX | sorry, wrong channel | 12:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR Science: How colleges are dealing with high COVID case counts on campus: Despite the omicron surge, college students are starting the spring semester on campus – and administrators are bracing for the worst. → https://www.npr.org/2022/01/23/1072730869/omicron-college-campuses-covid-outbreaks | 12:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): After dose 2; little Omicron neutralisation; absent at 8 months after dose 2. Neutralisation is established after dose 3, will wane, but is still good at 4 months. It is not as good as neutralising the other VoCs, and is an indication of how SARS-CoV-2 will keep [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1485217027862286342 | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 23JAN22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/sasg5f/global_covid_cases_for_23jan22/ | 13:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Booster Dose of COVID-19 Vaccine Reduces Infection in Health Care Workers in Israel: Booster doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine were shown to provide greater protection against infection than the 2 dose primary regimen [... want %more?] → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/booster-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine-reduces-infection-in-health-care-workers-in-israel | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Hong Kong warns people to stop hindering COVID hamster cull → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/saub63/hong_kong_warns_people_to_stop_hindering_covid/ | 15:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: With omicron nearly dominant, Korea prepares new measures | 23JAN22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/sauyhh/with_omicron_nearly_dominant_korea_prepares_new/ | 15:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Poll Shows Republicans greatly underestimate covid risks, compared to Democrats and Independents who are more accurate when analyzing hospitalization risk: → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/sav56v/poll_shows_republicans_greatly_underestimate/ | 16:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: (((Howard Forman))) (@thehowie): More good news out of Florida!Hospital census: down 6% from yesterday; down 6% from 1 week prior. ICU census: Down 9% from yesterday; down 1% from 1 week prior. Cases dramatically lower; Hospitalizations beginning descent. Deaths(reporting) will [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/thehowie/status/1485262520717910025 | 16:15 |
| aradesh | so while the UK is ending all covid measures, new zealand is increasing them. weird | 16:25 |
| lastshell | https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-world-1-in-daily-covid-cases-per-capita-exposed-schoolkids-wont-quarantine/ | 16:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: COVID-19 Actuaries Response Group (@COVID19actuary): There’s been a resurgence of social media claims that a majority of COVID victims died as a result of comorbidities, rather than the disease itself. In this article, written early in the pandemic, our co-chairs addressed similar [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/COVID19actuary/status/1485264605060472834 | 16:34 |
| Tuvix | ^ And on that point of mortality analysis, the 'excess deaths' are a good indicator that we're actually *under* counting the true impact of the pandemic. Now not all of the difference from officially reported COVID deaths were necessarily COVID, but for instance someone who died because they couldn't get seen in time, or put off a screaning that could have changed their outcome of a disease like cancer | 16:37 |
| Tuvix | due to healthcare shortages. | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): In Portugal, Omicron hospitalizations were 75% reduced compared with Delta, risk adjusted. Vaccination reduced hospitalizations 84%, w/a booster 93%medrxiv.org/content/10.110… pic.twitter.com/zyk2INWNis → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1485288289242271745 | 17:32 |
| lastshell | I hear next week cvs/walgreens and walmart will have the free covid maks | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): There's no shortage of misperceptions about Omicron. A review of the abundant new data helps clear a lot of those up erictopol.substack.com/p/where-do-we-… pic.twitter.com/P3MTBCYzlt → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1485289965873287168 | 17:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: The kids are not alright: Data suggests 10% of children with COVID-19 become "long-haulers" → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/saydok/the_kids_are_not_alright_data_suggests_10_of/ | 18:21 |
| Tuvix | I just ballparked US national deaths that fell from surge uptick to end of the sharp falloff in death rates, comparing Alpha (winter '20-21) to Delta. Alpha wave had about 308k deaths, Delta 137k. | 18:27 |
| Tuvix | This also makes the stark _increase_ for all of the younger age-groups during these waves all the more concerning given that there were fewer than half the total deaths, yet the youngest age-groups saw about twice the death. That's roughly a 4-fold increase, proportionally. | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Star Virologist talks about mystery surrounding Omicron: Angela Rasmussen, who now runs one of Canada’s top pandemic research labs, has been digging into the origins of the COVID-19 Omicron variant to determine if [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/sayf7m/star_virologist_talks_about_mystery_surrounding/ | 18:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Sri Baqri (Narasimhan) (@Sri_Baqri): How and Why Vaccines work: With the chaos around us, it seems like the perfect time to revisit this wonderful article from @VirusesImmunity and @SaadOmer3 #VaccinesSaveLives #vaccineswork #VaccineEquity #Vaccination #COVID19 twitter.com/sri_baqri/stat… → https://twitter.com/Sri_Baqri/status/1485310973875527684 | 19:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 857: Not just antibody, Jon Yewdell: Jon Yewdell returns to TWiV to discuss how antibodies are made, vaccination against SARS-CoV-2, antigenic variation of the virus, booster shots, and more. → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-857/ | 19:29 |
| LjL | aradesh, NZ has long been going for a "zero covid" strategy, so as soon as they spotted community Omicron cases, they're reacting immediately, although i don't think their "red light" will even be enough since it's not an actual lockdown | 20:07 |
| LjL | the UK on the other hand has long lost its desire (if it ever had it) to *squash* the COVID cases, it just intends to live with them, like really most countries at this point | 20:08 |
| aradesh | yeah | 20:08 |
| aradesh | just weird comparing the attitude on the other side of the planet | 20:08 |
| LjL | the thing is it appears stricter, it arguably is stricter, but if one compares the sheer amount of days that the UK has had "restriction" vs NZ having "restrictions", i bet the UK will be many more (although no, i didn't check) | 20:09 |
| LjL | harsh lockdowns that actually manage to kill any case chain can end up being harsh, sure, but shorter than neverending half-assed restrictions | 20:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): A reduction in the risk of death of 86% when infected with Omicron (BA.1) compared with Delta. Conclusion Omicron was associated with a 75% risk reduction of hospitalization compared with Delta and reduced length of hospital stay. (small n) → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1485333436906852355 | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 resources: ljl-covid: Add alternate designations for Omicron to keywords → https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/50066e145dcaf4e1429a0ee26351a5dd565e496a | 20:47 |
| anarcat | hi | 21:00 |
| anarcat | what's the status on reinfection from omicron *if you already had omicron*? | 21:00 |
| anarcat | from what i understand, immunity from previous infection, in general, is low (~19%) but what about if that infection was omicron? | 21:01 |
| Tuvix | If history is any guide, re-infection is indeed possible (perhaps even likely) but we don't really know how Omicron will act in the future as contrasted to earlier varients in that respect. Data for re-infection is limited, but appears more likely between for different varients. Specifically, Delta (or prior) infection doesn't seem to do much to protect against Omicron. | 21:04 |
| Tuvix | Given that Omicron isn't even known globally for even 2 months yet, it's frankly far too early to say, but vaccination remains the best way to create the best T- and B-cell memory possible to allow the body to have as high quality an antibody response in the face of future viral infection. | 21:05 |
| anarcat | yeah, that's my understanding as well | 21:06 |
| anarcat | i was hoping that there was research about this that came out recently | 21:06 |
| anarcat | last i heard about something like that was early december, about omicron | 21:06 |
| anarcat | which, at that time surely was only "omicron over other variants", not "omicron over omicron" | 21:06 |
| Tuvix | This is fairly recent, but still doesn't "really" give any deatils that we didn't at least already suspect before: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/21/covid-reinfection-how-likely-are-you-to-catch-virus-multiple-times | 21:07 |
| anarcat | research i was refering to https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/omicron-largely-evades-immunity-from-past/ | 21:07 |
| Tuvix | In case vaccination was in question, here's yet-another-summary indicating that everyone should get vaccinated, including those previously infected: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm | 21:07 |
| anarcat | where the 19% number came from | 21:07 |
| anarcat | yeah that guardian article quotes that research | 21:08 |
| anarcat | but that's "old", early omicron (early december) | 21:09 |
| Tuvix | It's even stunning the difference 2 vs 3 mRNA doses has on VE against hospitalization, which I think may be similar to the waning protection from either a prior varient (one where the latest VoC includes some measure of immune-escape) or due to the waning effect over time. Or practically speaking, both. | 21:09 |
| Arsanerit | How long does booster protection last? | 21:09 |
| anarcat | probably not very long, we're talking weeks or months i think | 21:10 |
| anarcat | but don'T quote me on that | 21:10 |
| Tuvix | Here again, we don't have a great idea on that. It's both likely it will improve durability due to the long-term cell memory (B-cells primarily) but by how much is really guesswork. And a new varient could change that all very quickly as well. | 21:10 |
| Arsanerit | just weeks or months, says anacrat 21:10:28 < anarcat> probably not very long, we're talking weeks or months i think ;-) | 21:10 |
| anarcat | you had one job :p | 21:11 |
| Tuvix | What we really need is for future waves to be less of a sharp impact to the healthcare system in terms of the seriously ill or fatal outcomes. I worry about locations that haven't really had success bringing down the death tolls meaningfully though, since that's a pretty fundamental place to start improving outcomes on. | 21:13 |
| Tuvix | The US is effective leading the pack for sustained death rates (certainly within the top-10 most impacted coutnries by death totals) if you consider month-long trends. | 21:14 |
| Tuvix | The US & UK were seeing nearly identical per-capita death outcomes until about late-summer (Aug 2021) with Delta, and then the UK started doing slightly better overall seeing less death, while the US notably accelerated and never came close to recovering to pre-Delta levels, not even just before Omicron arrived. | 21:15 |
| anarcat | what we need is a massive investment in a global, world-wide public health-care system and universal vaccination | 21:15 |
| Arsanerit | will not happen | 21:16 |
| anarcat | then a lot more people will die | 21:16 |
| Arsanerit | Europeans will have a 5th dose before most Africans have a 1st | 21:16 |
| Tuvix | Yes, getting vaccines to other countries is crucial since there's nothing to stop a new varient from popping up somewhere else, but equally concernign are countries with plenty of vaccine easily available who simply refuse it. | 21:16 |
| anarcat | omicron kind of changed the game on vaccines anyways | 21:17 |
| Arsanerit | if vaccines don't stop the spread (just serious disease) then variants will emerge even in countries where everyone is vaccinated | 21:17 |
| anarcat | you can't possible vaccinate everyone everywhere every 6 months | 21:17 |
| anarcat | yep | 21:17 |
| anarcat | anyways | 21:17 |
| anarcat | here (canada/quebec) the problem is pretty obvious: we've been destroying our public health care system for 30 years, going from 7/1 ratio for beds to 2/1 | 21:18 |
| anarcat | so of course, it was super fragile even before the first wave | 21:18 |
| Tuvix | Varients do reduce infection rates somewhat. It's not as much as would be ideal perhaps, but when considered in aggregate as a protection against severe outcomes, it does matter, and does at least something to reduce the exponential spread comapred to no infection protection. | 21:18 |
| anarcat | we should have built 5 hospitals, a year ago | 21:18 |
| Tuvix | Erm, Vaccines do reduce* | 21:18 |
| Tuvix | (the varient has obviously made infection spread worse with first Delta, and now Omicron.) | 21:18 |
| anarcat | instead we had the head of public health deny the virus was airborne, claim that masks are useless, and so on | 21:18 |
| anarcat | his replacement is still saying n95 are not better than surgical masks | 21:18 |
| anarcat | it's kind of mind boggling | 21:19 |
| anarcat | anyways | 21:19 |
| anarcat | thanks for the updates | 21:19 |
| anarcat | gtg | 21:19 |
| Tuvix | anarcat: Yea, that's a similar issue to what the US has. Our nursing staff is, I think similar to yours up north there, in very bad shape (far worse than doctors and such) but this problem long pre-dated COVID. | 21:19 |
| LjL | if *even* the Pfizer CEO is hoping we don't have to vaccinate everyone every 6 months... | 21:20 |
| Arsanerit | In Germany we have enough hospitals and empty beds, but not enough doctors and nurses. | 21:20 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Is he/she hoping that? Would be lucrative for Pfizer if we did… | 21:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): A lot of #BA2 in the news right now. Omicron is actually a little 'family' of lineages - most of what we've called Omicron until recently is BA.1 or 21K. BA.2 (aka 21L) is a 'sister' to BA.1 - both are Omicron.You can see their relationship [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1485344506157408258 | 21:21 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, i eyed ttps://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/590926-pfizer-ceo-says-frequent-boosters-not-a-good-scenario-hopes-for-yearly earlier | 21:21 |
| Tuvix | CDC update from yesterday (we won't get another official one until tomorrow night local time) showed the rate of death during this current/Omicron wave has now exceeded the peak 7-day rolling aveage death rate from Delta. | 21:21 |
| LjL | “There’s no shortage of reinfections, some pretty severe, although not requiring hospitalisations,” said Altmann. | 21:30 |
| LjL | there is so much confusion over terms | 21:30 |
| LjL | often the term "severe" is used for a *subset* of cases requiring hospitalizations | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): Another way to put it:Welcome to Family OmicronThe home of the Family OmicronWhere all the variants are mutational and interesting BA.2 is part of the Family Omicron #Encanto twitter.com/firefoxx66/sta… pic.twitter.com/NzCWv8mDmt → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1485346374912823306 | 21:30 |
| Tuvix | True. I heard a podcast by a reporter (fully vaccinated, this was pre-boosters) who caught COVID and documented his experience and followed up with interviews of doctors etc to get more info. | 21:32 |
| Tuvix | I don't think that reporter described it as 'severe' but he was basically unable to work for a week. | 21:32 |
| Tuvix | That's certainly quite a while to be taken out, and almost surely would have been significantly worse had he been un/under-vaccinated. | 21:33 |
| LjL | but i think when papers/reports use the term "severe", it often means "potentially fatal" | 21:33 |
| LjL | i think, i'm not entirely sure but i think one even considering "severe" a *subset of ICU* | 21:34 |
| dTal | isn't mortality rate of ICU cases ludicrously high | 21:36 |
| dTal | Google's giving me numbers all over the map but 50% seems like a common enough baseline | 21:37 |
| anarcat | weird, i can't connect to cdc.gov | 21:37 |
| Arsanerit | I thought severe meant anything requiring hospitalisation | 21:37 |
| Arsanerit | What I'm not sure about though what it means to end up in hospital without ending up in ICU, which seems to be a category that is increasing in Germany. | 21:38 |
| anarcat | or, to be more precise, i can't resolve www.cdc.gov | 21:38 |
| anarcat | but i can resolve cdc.gov | 21:38 |
| anarcat | maybe some dnssec snafu | 21:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Dr Emma Hodcroft (@firefoxx66): Here's its deal (whoa)Its spike fairly similar to BA.1 for real (whoa)The truth is, it's spreading on BA.1's heels (whoa)But it's mutations differ in some other genesIf you're intrigued, imagine how scientists feel (we're on it!)Welcome to the Family Omicron → https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1485349434837934081 | 21:40 |
| LjL | dTal, yes, though i think it depends a lot of whether you're on a ventilator | 21:41 |
| Tuvix | By the time you get into invasive procedures to mitigate fatal outcomes, your odds are already pretty bad. | 21:42 |
| LjL | Tuvix, not to mention the fact even among people who are released from ICU and eventually considered "recovered", the 1-year-or-so mortality is awful :( | 21:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): WHO: Europe possibly on track for Covid pandemic ‘endgame’i24news.tv/en/news/corona… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1485358713326157827 | 22:18 |
| lastshell | hear they starting to pay better hr rate for nurse even higer than doctors this is true Tuvix ? | 22:33 |
| Tuvix | Depends where, and what you do. Travelling nurses can do quite well, but that's not the kind of position everyone is able to just drop and take, and the real issue is that it's likely not to be a sustained pay change and just a response to the current crisis. Unless something changes long-term due to COVID, but there's more going on than just the pandemic there. | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): There's not any functional or epidemiological data to show any meaningful differences....yet. But BA.2 has become dominant in Denmark, out-competing BA.1, and its prevalence is rising in India, Singapore, Sweden, the UK and other countries /2 Graph via @Mike_Honey_ [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1485365284361805825 | 22:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The spread of BA.2 supports increased transmissibility (hard to imagine beyond BA.1, O's sister). On Jan 21st, UK designated it as a variant under investigation ft.com/content/34fef1… More to learn, keep , no reason for distress at this point (we already have [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1485365286710636544 | 22:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Derek Lowe (@Dereklowe): And watching this play out against Trump’s “Me and my vaccines” rhetoric will be interesting to watch. → https://twitter.com/Dereklowe/status/1485372384353869826 | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Surrendered Hong Kong hamster tests positive for Covid as cull continues → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/sb59op/surrendered_hong_kong_hamster_tests_positive_for/ | 23:26 |
| dTal | the hamster thing is horrifying | 23:28 |
| dTal | >The government described the outcry as “irrational”. | 23:30 |
| dTal | no, irrational is killing every member of a given species in a vain attempt to maintain slam shut the stable door after the horse has bolted, all in the name of keeping a tiny corner of the world free of an endemic virus | 23:32 |
| dTal | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/21/hongkongers-launch-hamster-rescue-mission-after-covid-cull-declared | 23:33 |
| dTal | this reads like a dark parody of the holocaust | 23:33 |
| dTal | like that episode of South Park where they try to kill all the cats and Cartman becomes this Oskar Schindler type | 23:34 |
| LjL | dTal, though the minks were many more than this, but i guess the difference is those were already slated for slaughter | 23:53 |
| dTal | can't help but wonder if this is an opression tactic by PRC | 23:54 |
| dTal | culling people's pet hamsters is comic-book-villainy | 23:54 |
| LjL | dTal, hadn't you seen treatment of infected people's pets on the mainland? | 23:55 |
| dTal | or maybe it's a way of identifying people who would resist the government | 23:55 |
| LjL | it made the rounds in the news i think especially when someone *saw from their internet CCTV* during hotel quarantine their dog being beaten to death | 23:55 |
| dTal | LjL, sure, but nominally Hong Kong is a separate countrry | 23:56 |
| LjL | normally it's a "special administrative region", not a separate country | 23:56 |
| LjL | nominally* | 23:56 |
| LjL | and it's increasingly not ;( | 23:56 |
| dTal | separate "system" then | 23:56 |
| dTal | one country two systems blah blah | 23:56 |
| dTal | and yeah, hence why I'm wondering if this decision isn't at least somewhat influenced by the desire to communicate a power structure to the Hong Kong populace | 23:57 |
| LjL | maybe, but also, now don't call me a monster, but if i had staunchly gone for a "zero COVID" approach and it had almost worked so far, and now my scientists said the hamsters could ruin it all... i dunno | 23:58 |
| dTal | but the zero covid approach has clearly failed | 23:58 |
| LjL | only if you plan to let other people in your country without draconian quarantines! | 23:59 |
| dTal | the hamsters got it from somewhere | 23:59 |
| LjL | %cases Hong Kong | 23:59 |
| LjL | yes, they were imported | 23:59 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Hong Kong has had 13016 confirmed cases (0.2% of all people) and 213 deaths (1.6% of cases; 1 in 35215 people) as of 4 days ago. 30.1 million tests were done (0.0% positive). 4.9 million were vaccinated (65.7%). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Hong%20Kong&legacy=no | 23:59 |
| dTal | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/21/hongkongers-launch-hamster-rescue-mission-after-covid-cull-declared | 23:59 |
| dTal | “We have reason to believe the source was the warehouse containing more than 1,000 hamsters in close proximity,” said Yuen Kwok-yung, a leading microbiologist and government adviser, on Wednesday. | 23:59 |
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