| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Pediatric ER Visits Rise for Firearms Injuries, Drug Poisonings During Pandemic: Visits to pediatric emergency rooms for firearm injuries and drug poisonings went up during the pandemic. Overall, pediatric emergency room visits were down. → https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220222/pediatric-er-visits-rise-for-firearms-injuries-drug-poisonings-during-pandemic | 00:03 |
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| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): "Although boosting with a 3rd vaccine dose ...increased antibody levels 10- to 100-fold, whereas a 4th exposure in individuals with higher pre-boost antibodies resulted in less robust boosting (~5- to 10-fold)."biorxiv.org/content/10.110… @EJohnWherry @WherryLab [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1496259587175227392 | 00:12 |
| LjL | "A major factor influencing the magnitude of the boost was pre-3rd vaccine dose antibody concentrations, which were inversely correlated with the fold-change of antibody boosting. These observations suggest that pre-existing high titers of antibody may compete with memory B cells for antigen and limit the extent of antibody boosting." | 00:19 |
| LjL | (abstract) "Notably, antibody decay slowed significantly between 6- and 9-months post-primary vaccination, essentially stabilizing at the time of the 3rd dose." | 00:20 |
| LjL | wouldn't this suggest it'd be best to actually wait six months before a 3rd dose? (at least if Omicron hadn't been looming, i get why we got it earlier) | 00:20 |
| Tuvix | If the goal is to introduce B-cell (long-term cells able to produce *new* antibodies later during infection) that would seem reasonable indeed. | 00:21 |
| Tuvix | I haven't done a ton of reading here, but my understanding is that as early as 3 or 4 months (excluding heavily immunocompromised that may need a 3rd dose earlier just to approach a 2-dose level for others) is still beneficial. There's probably some curve of decreasing value the closer you get them. | 00:22 |
| Tuvix | Here again, I suspect antibodies are only a convenient way to measure the impact; we can't really tell how active the memory cells are, but we can easily measure antibodies before/after. | 00:23 |
| Tuvix | The end goal is immune response, and with infection that means antibody production, not just having some ready-to-go antibodies in the bloodstream. | 00:24 |
| LjL | i think the antibodies themselves may be important, why would the vaccine efficacy wane so quickly otherwise? B-cells are still perfectly capable of producing antibodies, just apparently, not quickly enough to avert things | 00:24 |
| LjL | if you have circulating antibodies you can react immediately | 00:25 |
| Tuvix | Those cells often are pretty bad at their job after the first exposure (or perhaps even first 2, if you consider the 2-dose mRNA as separate shots; I think of them more as both required to "prime" the immune system.) | 00:25 |
| Tuvix | The B-cell memory from initial vaccination. | 00:26 |
| Tuvix | I probably can't lay eyes on it quickly, but there was an article talking specifically about the interaction between T- & B- cells that was a good read some months ago. | 00:26 |
| Tuvix | It described the initial round of vaccination (2-dose mRNA) as yes, providing antibodies, but the B-cells (they referred to the lymph-node B-cells specifically here) were not all that great at producing effective antibodies. Good enough for earlier VoC's, but less so with Delta (this was a pre-Omicron article.) | 00:27 |
| LjL | would this be something specific to mRNA vaccines as a technology, or to the kind of antigen presented, or general, or what? | 00:28 |
| Tuvix | This was before boosters were recommneded for people as well, but the article went on to note that in traditional 3-dose vaccines spaced at roughly 0, 1, & 6 months apart, the 3rd dose was crucial for that long-term cell memory to produce *good* antibodies. | 00:28 |
| Tuvix | I don't think it really has anything to do with mRNA given the connection to other vaccines typically given in one's youth that require similar dosing. | 00:28 |
| LjL | well, but then it seems even the 3rd shot wanes about as quickly as the second, iirc | 00:28 |
| LjL | (for Omicron at least) | 00:29 |
| Tuvix | Yea, I was just about to wonder what the varients are doing here. | 00:29 |
| Tuvix | I guess we're still a couple months (if you believe the PR) from knowing what an Omicron-targeted mRNA looks like in terms of initial results, and then more months away from knowing if it wanes the same. | 00:30 |
| LjL | i guess i should look at Delta and previous company too to "understand" things. but i focus on Omicron because that's what we have and my brainspace is limited :P | 00:30 |
| Tuvix | Yup, and loking at Italian impact, Omicron was much worse on all accounts, so it's reasonable to be more focused on this. | 00:30 |
| LjL | Tuvix, a couple of months for Pfizer, more than that for Moderna. i suspect eventually both of them will be ready by June to August ;( | 00:30 |
| LjL | Novavax may be ready by April or May | 00:31 |
| LjL | ... 2023 | 00:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: COVID’s spread within hospitals hit all-time high amid omicron wave → https://arstechnica.com/?p=1835956 | 00:32 |
| de-facto | here they start now with Novavax | 00:32 |
| LjL | oh, it exists? :P | 00:33 |
| de-facto | delivering to federal states... today | 00:34 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/germany-expects-novavax-vaccinations-start-this-week-2022-02-21/ | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.reuters.com: EU, Germany expect Novavax deliveries to begin this week | Reuters | 00:35 |
| LjL | cool | 00:35 |
| Tuvix | Interesting to look at the factors pointed out by that ARS article above regarding the hospital spread data analysis; it points to possible in-hospital spread causes that may include time in crowded waiting rooms due to hospital pressure plus lack of masking enforcement. | 00:37 |
| LjL | lack of masking enforcement *in hospitals* is just surreal | 00:38 |
| Tuvix | That's especially troubling since in 2 years, the US continues to do exceptionally badly with hospital & ICU metrics during surges. | 00:39 |
| Tuvix | Well, it's not unique to hospitals; mask enforcement is bad everywhere. | 00:39 |
| Tuvix | Back in June last year I carefully went to a couple dining joints during slow-hours. One was in an airport and officially staff had to be masked at all times there; it was largely for show, and they frequently wouldn't. Customers were to be masked when not actively eating or drinking, but nearly no one did. | 00:40 |
| de-facto | Tuvix, do you think potentially higher contamination doses (due to not wearing masks, instead of improperly wearing masks or no good masks) may play a role in US COVID severity? | 00:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from ##covid-19 resources: ljl-covid: Add more vaccine keywords → https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/a261c018e3f30b443fcfb9d25629159bb7045bc7 | 00:41 |
| Tuvix | I only stayed for a plate of food & a drink typically, but I at least arrived with my mask per the rules. Then when Delta came (and no doubt the rules were as-badly if not more-poorly enforced) I stopped completely, realizing that kind of venue was less safe. | 00:42 |
| Tuvix | de-facto: Possibly? I think with Omicron now, the lack of high-quality masks being commonplace may be a factor too, but the recent mask publication shows that even a surgical-style mask has _some_ value, just not as good as a KN95/N95. | 00:43 |
| Tuvix | I'd put vaccines as a bigger contributing factor, and a close 2nd being the social expectation we have here that we can largely do what we want without regard for the imapct on others or society. | 00:43 |
| ecks | probably 90% of my patients last fall asked if they could un-mask the second they entered the room | 00:44 |
| de-facto | just was a spontaneous idea, not sure if it makes sense, but i know that contamination dose was discussed as one factor for correlating with severity | 00:45 |
| LjL | oh i forgot i have this fancy-looking italian-made mask here i wanted to look up | 00:45 |
| Tuvix | Right, and not just severity, but even how good of an immune response you get from the infection (largely applies more the unvaccinated who are expecting that any exposure and/or positive test makes them immune, which we know to be untrue.) | 00:45 |
| Tuvix | Since we know the dose matters for the type of immune response you get, if your goal is to have the most mild case of infection if you are exposed, it follows that reducing your viral load intake would be wise. | 00:46 |
| LjL | it looks like it's a company that didn't normally make masks at all. which isn't surprising, many companies "converted", but it's a bit surprising it's an FFP2 mask that at least *looks* fancier than the usual stuff, and that it comes from an italian company in 2022 rather than makeshift stuff from 2020 | 00:46 |
| Tuvix | ecks: That follows my experience at a sports club (so not a clinical setting) where people ditched the masks as soon as they could. One even refused to continue to mask when the rules changed (per CDC changes last summer) and he, as an unvaccinated person, shouldn't have gone maskless. | 00:47 |
| Tuvix | He did anyway, as did the other unvaccinated people. He was a "core staffer" at the all-volunteer group, so he basically bullied the owner into ignoring the rules. Why have rules when you can just ignore them with impunity? :( | 00:48 |
| Tuvix | That's a very "American" attitude, sadly. | 00:48 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: doesn't this look kinda like an Aura (but different)? Including the straps and the "fat" nose strip, which I *think* also has some foam or some kind of cushioning but I'm not really sure, I don't want to open it yet | 00:52 |
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| de-facto | yes it looks a bit like AUra, but the geometry is not exactly the same i guess | 00:53 |
| LjL | CE 0426 is Italcert, an Italian certification laboratory (unsurprisingly enough maybe) | 00:53 |
| LjL | de-facto, well it's interesting because i haven't really seen many masks that were anything like Auras, except the "Korean-style masks" but they're much much flimsier, only the shape is similar | 00:54 |
| de-facto | maybe its patented design or such? | 00:57 |
| de-facto | hence can not exactly be copied ? | 00:57 |
| LjL | i don't know, but i suspect it's just more expensive design | 00:58 |
| de-facto | i stampled my Auras at work the third time today | 00:58 |
| de-facto | its always those damn rubber straps that rip off the metal clamps | 00:59 |
| LjL | ah, wait, i was on the wrong website -.- this company *does* make masks as its main business | 00:59 |
| de-facto | i now wrapped the rubber straps in paper prior to stampling them with new clamps, maybe that helps a bit | 00:59 |
| de-facto | i think its due to the sharp edge on the metal clamps | 00:59 |
| LjL | they also make reusable respirators, full-face ones too | 00:59 |
| LjL | https://www.blsgroup.com/ | 00:59 |
| LjL | these look like the one i have https://www.blsgroup.com/en/prodotti/bls-600/ | 01:00 |
| de-facto | this here? https://www.blsgroup.com/en/prodotti/bls-600/ | 01:00 |
| de-facto | ah yeah | 01:01 |
| de-facto | i never read before i press enter | 01:01 |
| de-facto | never ever | 01:01 |
| LjL | "The mask is suitable for different physiognomies" ← get a translator who speaks real english | 01:02 |
| LjL | ;) | 01:02 |
| LjL | i wonder why they make all four main styles ("Chinese", "Korean", "Aura", and uh cup) | 01:04 |
| de-facto | their FFP3 option is not valveless though | 01:04 |
| LjL | just because different people prefer different styles? even though these are very much targeted to workers? | 01:04 |
| de-facto | i wear a valveless FFP3 the whole day | 01:04 |
| LjL | or is there pros and cons of each | 01:04 |
| de-facto | so its just FFP2 that is valveless it seems | 01:05 |
| de-facto | with their portfolio | 01:05 |
| LjL | de-facto, are you sure? it says *that* model (600, not 690) is available as FFP2 and FFP3 | 01:05 |
| LjL | you're getting it from the pictures? | 01:05 |
| de-facto | from the "series models" tab table | 01:06 |
| de-facto | 670 valveless 680 and 690 with valve | 01:06 |
| LjL | uhm you're right | 01:07 |
| LjL | i guess they think they can't provide FFP3 with the required air resistance without adding a valve | 01:07 |
| de-facto | so you got exactly the correct model there at your desk | 01:07 |
| de-facto | yeah possibly | 01:07 |
| LjL | de-facto, well, it was given to me by a hospital worker, who in turn got it at her hospital, but she isn't comfortable with this model so she's not wearing it. although "hospital" doesn't say much since they had terrible masks sometimes... but they'd definitely not get valved masks | 01:08 |
| de-facto | idk this one looks quite fine to me from what i could see | 01:09 |
| de-facto | it probably also got the problem with ripping rubber straps, but that can be solved i guess | 01:09 |
| de-facto | LjL, are those rubber or fabric straps? | 01:10 |
| LjL | not entirely clear to me what the difference is with the 700 model. "it's larger" is pretty much what the description boils down to | 01:10 |
| LjL | they are rubber sadly | 01:10 |
| LjL | similar to Aura ones, maybe a bit wider though | 01:10 |
| LjL | quite thin | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): -But: boosting with a 3rd vaccine dose increased antibody levels 10- to 100-fold, a 4th exposure in individuals with higher pre-boost antibodies resulted in less robust boosting (~5- to 10-fold).The C19 vaccine is a 3 dose, reaching optimal levels of antibodies [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1496273559051771905 | 01:10 |
| de-facto | the rubber material got the advantage that it does not slip over the hairs, so thats good | 01:12 |
| de-facto | i am not sure if a fabric one may just slip over the head and then end on the ears anyways just by movement | 01:12 |
| de-facto | the only disadvantage from the rubber ones are the fixing with metal staple clamps, that should get improved somehow (to a non-local fixing area, i tried that by wrapping the rubber straps in paper then stapling that) | 01:14 |
| de-facto | not sure, have to see if that holds longer | 01:14 |
| LjL | the very first mask i had came with straps that made sense to me. kind of similar to this model https://www.blsgroup.com/prodotti/bls-o2-512-513/ in that it's basically just one strap that goes all around the mask, and "slides" inside the mask, which is very neat if it actually slides well because instead of having to tense the straps a lot to put it on, you just slide it first so you can easily put it around your neck, and then tense the other end to put it | 01:14 |
| LjL | around your head | 01:14 |
| LjL | but i didn't have enough foresight to keep that mask, so i don't know what mask it was | 01:15 |
| LjL | it was the only FFP2 mask the pharmacy had (€13!) before a long period of masks being impossible to find :\ | 01:15 |
| LjL | it was a "cup" style, but with a valve | 01:16 |
| de-facto | i have also seen some design where they use the *masks* fabric to wrap that around (180 degrees) and staple the *masks* fabric around the rubber that just goes through that loop from mask fabric | 01:16 |
| LjL | back then nobody cared yet if they had a valve or not, although they started caring pretty quickly | 01:16 |
| LjL | de-facto, yes that's exactly what that one did | 01:16 |
| LjL | the rubber slides through the loop | 01:16 |
| de-facto | that is much smarter probably because the PP fabric is much more durable and the contact area with the rubber straps bigger, hence much less prone to ripping off | 01:16 |
| LjL | and so it's one big piece, not two pieces, and you can put it on much more comfortably | 01:17 |
| de-facto | and since the PP fabric is soft it does not see *any* sharp edge where the rubber could rip | 01:17 |
| Tuvix | My nice re-usable one with flexible TPU fitting around the mouth & nose had a bit of a moisture problem, but that's mostly resolved with an accessory I added to my last filter refill order; it's basically just a sponge that goes around the edge of the mask interior to soak up moisture from breathing. | 01:17 |
| de-facto | (then they really may last long, hence possibly they sell less of such durable designs compared to a design that breaks after a while?) | 01:18 |
| Tuvix | I really like the fit though, since the breathe99 mask now comes standard with an adjustable cloth strap and tensioner, so you wear the straps around the head and adjust them so they fit without being hard to wear. | 01:18 |
| LjL | Tuvix, i don't really get how it can be highly reusable without a valve (or several)... the respirator dTal has comes with reusable filters but that comes at the expense of definitely needing valves to avoid moisture | 01:18 |
| Tuvix | I mean, the filters are replaced, and anything else can be washed if soiled. | 01:19 |
| Tuvix | Short of actual soil damage, I just let it air-dry (typically I have 2 to 3 days between uses already) and just replace filters after enough sustained use to require it. | 01:19 |
| LjL | it probably wouldn't get an actual N95 or similar certification while claiming it can be used for longer than 8 hours and/or reused but lacking valves to protect the filters from moisture | 01:21 |
| Tuvix | It'd be interesting to see some more tests done with filter quality evaluate after some hours of sustained use, not just the lab-tests done by a decent university around here. | 01:23 |
| Tuvix | I don't wear this for long enough for sustained wear to matter, typically just whem I'm indoors and can't avoid being around other people. | 01:23 |
| Tuvix | Perhaps 45 minutes to an hour at most, and that's if I keep it on for a couple back-to-back errands. | 01:24 |
| Tuvix | The moisture is now more or less contained in the sponge, while before it would build up on the TPU interior. What effect that has on the filter material, at least until it dries, I don't know, or how that compares to the typical N95 mask which is worn in much more physically demanding jobs than my strolling through the grocery store. | 01:25 |
| de-facto | maybe it also could be solved by getting some robust fabric, folding it back onto itself to form a loop for holding the rubber, then staple that onto the masks fabric | 01:25 |
| Tuvix | The mask is all plastic, although the exterior (which holds the straps to the exterior of the form) is cloth. | 01:26 |
| Tuvix | Well, plastic/TPU. | 01:26 |
| Tuvix | https://breathe99.com/pages/technology (scroll down midway to get a view of the shell from both inside & outside) | 01:26 |
| Tuvix | Oh, they do test moisture via the breathability I think. | 01:28 |
| Tuvix | See section V of the whitepaper linked on that page; they talk about the mmH2O used to simulate "light" and "heavy" breathing. | 01:28 |
| LjL | Tuvix, well but one thing is doing that to measure breathability, another is testing whether after some given number of hours of "heavy breathing" (or just moisture from normal breathing), the filtration efficacy is still relatively intact | 01:31 |
| Tuvix | Right, they didd that too, see "VI. Extended Use Simulation" (page 4) | 01:32 |
| LjL | but was moisture used? it says NaCl particles, how was water involved? the whitepaper never mentions the terms moisture, water, humidity... which is a bit concerning | 01:33 |
| Tuvix | mmH2O is mm of water column at a given temp/pressure gradient. | 01:34 |
| LjL | that's just a pressure unit | 01:34 |
| LjL | it doesn't mean H2O is being used | 01:34 |
| dTal | LjL: GVS do a valveless "source control" version of the mask I have | 01:35 |
| Tuvix | Oh, I skimmed the test paper I had too quickly; you're right, that'd be g/m2/24h or such. | 01:35 |
| LjL | %wik Centimetre or millimetre of water | 01:35 |
| dTal | which seems like a terrible idea, but it can't be completely useless | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: A centimetre or millimetre of water (US spelling centimeter or millimeter of water) are less commonly used measures of pressure derived from pressure head. → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centimetre_or_millimetre_of_water | 01:35 |
| Tuvix | (different paper that talks about mmH2O vs. g/m2/24h standard.) So, I dunno. I do like that the moisture issue is largely solved for me, which presumably means I'm exposing the filters to less of it. | 01:36 |
| LjL | dTal, million dollar question, were they already making it before COVID and before valved masks became a big no-no in the collective consciousness? ;) | 01:36 |
| dTal | I believe not :) | 01:36 |
| dTal | it took them about a year of pandemic to roll out in fact | 01:36 |
| dTal | the design is clearly adapted from the valved version, and in fact is difficult if not impossible to distinguish visually | 01:37 |
| LjL | dTal, there's probably only so many times you can send "no, and for a good reason" emails until you go "yes, and good luck" | 01:37 |
| LjL | tbf though this breathe99 thing seems like it beats GVS in the low profile race, and indeed mask waste will be a huge problem so it would be nice if more people adopted reusable ones, which for better or worse, will mean valveless ones, and ones that don't look from out of a doomsday movie | 01:39 |
| Tuvix | Yup, the cloth knit exterior piece that holds the straps actually looks OK when worn, without giving the "look at my medical PPE" look to it. | 01:40 |
| dTal | around here, wearing any sort of reusable filter mask marks you out as a worry-wart | 01:40 |
| Tuvix | I mean, ultimately N95 masks have the same issue of moisture build-up, at least if you do a proper fit-test to avoid escape around the edges. Perhaps there more filter material to disperse the outflow of air into, but for this mask I have that really just means you end up needing to replace the filters more often if you use them more. | 01:41 |
| dTal | there's 3 tiers of mask wearing - useless surgical mask ("I'm being required to wear a maskk and I didn't prepare"), stretchy/cloth mask ("I am a reponsible citizen doing my part"), and valved respirator ("I have anxiety") | 01:42 |
| Tuvix | They've got a baseline guide of when to replace the filters based on your planned use, but really I just replace them after about a month or sooner if they're becomming harder to breathe through. | 01:42 |
| LjL | valved ones are virtually unseen here (which is reflected on their lower prices :\) | 01:43 |
| LjL | Tuvix, that sounds like too long tbh | 01:43 |
| Tuvix | I only go out about once every 2 weeks these days :\ | 01:44 |
| LjL | fair enough then :P | 01:44 |
| dTal | yeah I've only ever seen one other guy socially with a valved respirator | 01:44 |
| Tuvix | Shop for 2 weeks worth of food, check the PO box and maybe another errand or 2, if I'm feeling stir-crazy maybe pick up some to-go food and then park the car for another 1-2 weeks. | 01:44 |
| LjL | https://web.archive.org/web/20220220173743/https://www.businessinsider.com/disposable-face-mask-waste-toxic-poison-water-nanoplastics-pollution-health-2022-2?r=US&IR=T | 01:44 |
| dTal | and his was ostentatiously large | 01:44 |
| LjL | "The plastics industry saw COVID as an opportunity," John Hocevar, the oceans campaign director at Greenpeace USA, told me from his office in Washington, D.C. "They worked hard to convince policymakers and the general public that reusables were dirty and dangerous, and that single-use plastic is necessary to keep us safe." | 01:44 |
| LjL | The fear-mongering worked. The global consumption of single-use plastics has increased by up to 300% since the pandemic began, according to a 2021 Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development report. | 01:45 |
| LjL | so much for the EU's planned withdrawal of single-use plastics :\ | 01:45 |
| LjL | After submerging the masks in water and letting them sit, Sarp and his team discovered both micro- and nanoplastic particles released from every single one. | 01:46 |
| LjL | The masks were also found to expel nanoparticles of silicon and heavy metals like lead, cadmium, copper, and even arsenic. | 01:46 |
| LjL | yikes :| | 01:46 |
| LjL | why on earth | 01:46 |
| LjL | "The masks were also found to expel nanoparticles of silicon and heavy metals like lead, cadmium, copper, and even arsenic." | 01:49 |
| LjL | err | 01:49 |
| LjL | i hate Wayland copypaste | 01:49 |
| LjL | i meant "But nanoparticles — of plastic, silicon, or other materials — are so minute in size that they can breach cell walls and damage DNA, affecting both human and nonhuman life-forms at the cellular level. Recent research on silicon nanoparticles, in particular, has shown that if a particle is very small in nano scale, it can act almost as a tiny, carcinogenic bomb." | 01:49 |
| LjL | and the link to "carcinogenic bomb" is this report https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/378/publikationen/texte_50_2014_carcinogenicity_and_mutagenicity_of_nanoparticles_1.pdf but Umwelt Bundesamt which i assume de-facto has heard of since it appears to be the German equivalent of the EPA | 01:50 |
| LjL | to be fair though this never seems to mention "plastic", silicon yeah | 01:52 |
| LjL | (tbf the article does say "The presence of silicon nanoparticles was of particular concern.") | 01:52 |
| Tuvix | Speaking of avoiding single-use waste-producing items, I need to order a new coffee travel mug. Whatever the liner is on my old one didn't survive the last soak & wash cycle :\ | 01:53 |
| Tuvix | I'm always tempted to buy coffee via drive-through if I can't have my trusted mug in the cup-holder when driving more than about 100km ;) | 01:54 |
| Tuvix | I guess those are at least made from partially recycled paper, but I think the tops are almost always plastic. | 01:55 |
| LjL | aside from the waste and environmental concerns though, if potentially carcinogenic particles are released when submerging the masks or similar, i'd imagine they're also released when breathing through them. i hope we won't find outself with cancer spikes due to dodgily mass produced masks, among many other things we'll be facing... | 01:59 |
| LjL | (like, you know, the world ending and stuff) | 01:59 |
| Tuvix | I've one of those weird people who always (well, okay, almsot always) wash new clothes before I wear them for similar reasons. I'd just as soon ensure any industrial bits used in their creation get a chance to avoid extended contact with my skin. | 02:02 |
| LjL | i do think we need to massively improve building air circulation/purification systems. we can't rely on masks in the longer term without making damage of various sorts | 02:03 |
| LjL | well, we can't wash masks before use ;( | 02:03 |
| LjL | or at least, i'd strongly advise against it | 02:03 |
| Tuvix | Yea, that too; masks are a mitigation, not an answer, and one that we presumably want to avoid feeling compelled to use almost any time we go out. | 02:03 |
| Tuvix | My mask is as 2nd nature to me right now as my shoes; I'd like it to feel more like an umbrella that I take out only if there's a raised threat. | 02:04 |
| LjL | and the environmental concerns are *huge* anyway. we could look the other way for two years, maybe we will for another year or so, but damn it's a LOT of plastic | 02:04 |
| Tuvix | The reality at this point is everything is a mitigation, including vaccinations if you look at it like that. None of these alone are the magic answer, but they all combine to make any new surges or recovery from this recent Omicron hit a bit less deadly and problematic. | 02:05 |
| Tuvix | Another boost, hopefully with an updated vaccine that shows more VE against new VoCs? Well, sure, but that alone isn't the answer either. I don't want another Delta/Omicron like summer/winter this coming year, at least not like the US saw. | 02:06 |
| LjL | but each mitigations has its costs, and some can be borne forever maybe, others not so much | 02:06 |
| LjL | <CarlSagan> [NPR - Science] Who might benefit from a 4th shot — and who might not https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/02/22/1029057935/who-might-benefit-from-a-4th-shot-and-who-might-not | 02:09 |
| LjL | "Although the extra shot boosted antibody levels to about the level observed right after the third shot, the rise in antibodies didn't translate into strong protection against infection. The extra dose reduced the risk of an infection by only about 10% to 30%, Regev-Yochay and her team report. During the 30-day study period, about 20% of the people who received the extra shot became infected with the omicron variant of the coronavirus, compared with about 25% of | 02:09 |
| LjL | the people who received only three shots. The extra dose also didn't appear to activate T cells, which are critical for clearing out a future infection." | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Hong Kong: +6211 cases, +36 deaths since a day ago — Canada: +7702 cases, +70 deaths since 9 hours ago — Germany: +158268 cases since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +41524 cases since 23 hours ago | 02:10 |
| de-facto | what were do the nanoparticles come from? | 02:10 |
| Tuvix | At this point I don't think re-boosting without targeting the latest VoCs makes much sense unless people aren't up to date on vaccinations yet. | 02:11 |
| Tuvix | Although the VE against the Beta-specific vaccines wasn't as good as was hoped, so I don't really know what the impact will be, but the real question is how it works with the yet-to-be-seen next big thing. | 02:11 |
| LjL | de-facto, i don't really know, production processes? | 02:50 |
| de-facto | i mean where do humans get exposed to them | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nicaragua: +109 cases since 5 days ago | 03:00 |
| LjL | de-facto, it's about masks | 03:05 |
| LjL | de-facto, started from this article https://web.archive.org/web/20220220173743/https://www.businessinsider.com/disposable-face-mask-waste-toxic-poison-water-nanoplastics-pollution-health-2022-2?r=US&IR=T | 03:05 |
| LjL | (archive because paywall) | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): I’ve yet to see any clinical data, regarding severity of illness, reinfection, or protection by vaccines, that suggest BA.2 is different or worse than BA.1, despite its different mutations (antigenic distance) and the results from the Syrian hamster model. → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1496313812433133570 | 03:43 |
| de-facto | LjL, yeah but is it about decomposing masks or the ones that are worn? | 03:49 |
| LjL | de-facto, | 03:51 |
| LjL | After submerging the masks in water and letting them sit, Sarp and his team discovered both micro- and nanoplastic particles released from every single one. The leachate from those masks — that is, the particles they emitted into fluid — amounted to a sort of toxic tea. | 03:51 |
| LjL | The masks were also found to expel nanoparticles of silicon and heavy metals like lead, cadmium, copper, and even arsenic. Sarp says that he was astonished by what he and the team found after a relatively brief period of submersion, and by the quantity of particles released by each mask. The masks released hundreds, and sometimes thousands, of toxic particles — particles that can potentially disrupt entire marine food chains and contaminate drinking water. | 03:51 |
| LjL | so it's not a test on ones that are worn, but it's not about letting them decompose either. just what they release when in water | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): More evidence to suggest that infection with Omicron BA.1 variant confers a period of immunity that protects against subsequent infection with BA.2. Other evidence suggests that a boosted vaccine delivers equal, and perhaps slightly better [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1496315957614161922 | 03:53 |
| de-facto | hmm i am too tired to read the whole article, i just wanted to know if one inhales that or not | 03:55 |
| LjL | it doesn't say that but it just seems likely enough to me | 03:57 |
| LjL | at least if the mask gets went inside | 03:57 |
| LjL | but the purpose of the tests was not to measure direct danger to humans by inhalation, but mainly danger to the environment (so, masks in the sea) | 03:58 |
| LjL | but if those non-plastic nanoparticles are in the masks, it's not the mask decomposing, it's other materials that are presumably already there before being in the water | 03:59 |
| de-facto | hmm but where would they come from? colored masks? | 04:00 |
| de-facto | like the dye? | 04:00 |
| LjL | i guess i wouldn't mind seeing a study on lung cancer incidence among people who wear masks as part of their work. although it would be very hard to tell distinguish from mask-induced and work-induced issues | 04:00 |
| de-facto | i think we would know by know if e.g. medical personnel would have elevated rates for that, those folks know a thing or two about statistics | 04:01 |
| LjL | most medical people didn't routinely wear masks for prolonged periods of time before COVID... except surgeons i guess, but those masks are very different from the FFP2 masks we're wearing | 04:01 |
| de-facto | well are they? id assume they also use the PP fabric etc | 04:03 |
| de-facto | id be interested in the mechanism they propose, e.g. if some physical degradation of the PP fabric takes place due to some process, or if they had dye on it | 04:04 |
| de-facto | what if its the printed ink outside that does normally not reach the inside but maybe dissolve in water? | 04:05 |
| de-facto | or what if its some process that makes the fibers brittle? | 04:06 |
| de-facto | one would have to know exactly what they did there, in every detail | 04:07 |
| * de-facto is half asleep already | 04:08 | |
| LjL | de-facto, well this is the study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0043135421002311 i presume it has details but we might leave it for another day ;P | 04:42 |
| LjL | well, except it's not open access | 04:43 |
| de-facto | yeah dye i guess | 04:57 |
| LjL | what about silicon? is that in dye? that's stated as the biggest concern (nanoparticles of silicon) | 04:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Korea: +171448 cases, +99 deaths since a day ago | 05:05 |
| LjL | ouch | 05:06 |
| de-facto | not sure | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Hard to beat a 99.2% 3-shot vaccine effectiveness vs Omicron hospitalization in this new @NatureMedicine report from @KPSCalResearch 2-shot 84.5% (95% CI 23,97)3-shot 99.2% (95% CI 76,100)nature.com/articles/s4159… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1496347916168212481 | 06:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Zealand: +3181 cases, +27550 tests (11.5% positive) since a day ago | 06:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Novosibirsk, Russia: +5128 cases, +16 deaths since a day ago — Bashkortostan, Russia: +4302 cases, +19 deaths since a day ago — Pulau Pinang, Malaysia: +2601 cases, +3 deaths since a day ago — Kedah, Malaysia: +2583 cases, +3 deaths since a day ago | 07:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 'We're doing everything we can to survive': High-risk, disabled Americans feel forgotten → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/sz90t1/were_doing_everything_we_can_to_survive_highrisk/ | 07:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cook Is.: +2 cases, +252 tests (0.8% positive) since 4 days ago | 08:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): Working Out After Your COVID Shot Might Boost Immunity → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 08:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Caledonia: +6084 cases, +12 deaths since 2 days ago | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | February 23, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/szbzex/daily_discussion_thread_february_23_2022/ | 09:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: BA.2 omicron subvariant’s swift rise to dominance in Gothenburg wastewater: the virus level is still higher than the previous record measurements obtained in the first, second, and third waves of the pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/szc3jp/ba2_omicron_subvariants_swift_rise_to_dominance/ | 09:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronavirusUK: UK lost up to £16bn due to fraud and error in Covid loans schemes → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/szc5im/uk_lost_up_to_16bn_due_to_fraud_and_error_in/ | 10:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: FDA asks Congress for more power to regulate certain diagnostic tests, including prenatal screenings: The FDA wants clearer authority over certain diagnostic tests, including prenatal screenings. Right now, it [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2022/02/23/fda-asks-congress-for-more-power-to-regulate-certain-diagnostic-tests-including-prenatal-screenings/ | 11:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +219377 cases since 20 hours ago — United Kingdom: +759 cases since 15 hours ago — Canada: +71 deaths since 18 hours ago | 11:07 |
| B0B1 | Keep faith and watch https://rumble.com/user/invisiblewar | 11:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: David Oliver: Has covid killed the medical conference?: Healthcare conferences in real life venues, with presenters and delegates physically present, have been cancelled or moved to online since the pandemic started. I loved these events. I miss them. And... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o412.short | 11:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Global COVID Cases For 23FEB22: US RO Estimate, Case Count & Charts: Information thru: 22FEB22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/szef9v/global_covid_cases_for_23feb22/ | 11:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Jeffrey Barrett (@jcbarret): Every day at 9am there's an auto-email summarising lineages from the 8-10 thousand SARS-CoV-2 genomes sequenced in the previous 24 hours @sangerinstitute. The Delta number has been bouncing around in single digits, and today was the first day with zero. ☠️ → https://twitter.com/jcbarret/status/1496440950108868608 | 12:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): It appears Delta has been all but eradicated in the UK - completely vanquished by the Omicron variant. twitter.com/jcbarret/statu… → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1496450842253316101 | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Indonesia: +61488 cases, +227 deaths, +519532 tests (11.8% positive) since 23 hours ago | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Protesters, police clash in New Zealand | 24FEB22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/szgkg0/protesters_police_clash_in_new_zealand_24feb22/ | 13:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: COVID-19 live updates: Protest organizer denied bail | Estimates show drop in Alberta hospitalizations; EPS issue 100+ tickets during Tuesday convoy; Boris Johnson ends all COVID restrictions in the U.K | 22FEB22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/szgsrp/covid19_live_updates_protest_organizer_denied/ | 13:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Hong Kong: What went wrong with its Covid plan? | 23FEB22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/szguhl/hong_kong_what_went_wrong_with_its_covid_plan/ | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Brunei: +3285 cases since a day ago | 14:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Poland lifts all but basic coronavirus restrictions: Restrictions on numbers in shops to be lifted and nightclubs to reopen March 1, but facemasks and isolation requirements remain. → https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-lifts-all-but-basic-coronavirus-restrictions/ | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Carl Zimmer (@carlzimmer): Sanofi’s Covid protein vaccine at last delivers Phase 3 results. 57.9% against symptomatic covid, 100% against severe covid and hospitalization. Plus strong antibody responses from boosters, regardless of original vaccination sanofi.com/en/media-room/… → https://twitter.com/carlzimmer/status/1496476305554132997 | 14:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +207278 cases since 22 hours ago | 15:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: South African advocacy group sues to see Covid-19 vax contracts; Sanofi and Glaxo seek approval for their Covid shot → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2022/02/23/covid19-vaccine-africa-sanofi-glaxo-pfizer-abortion/ | 15:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from Novavax: (news): Novavax Announces Shipments of its COVID-19 Vaccine to European Union Member States → https://ir.novavax.com/2022-02-23-Novavax-Announces-Shipments-of-its-COVID-19-Vaccine-to-European-Union-Member-States | 15:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): Then another major surprise and another variant of concern (Omicron), which quickly take over all infections in South Africa and the world. pic.twitter.com/qooKA1pUfO → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1496496255542996994 | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Got a COVID19 booster? You probably won´t need another one for a long time (or ever; unless due to unexpected health issues)nytimes.com/2022/02/21/hea… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1496504739638525954 | 16:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): For @techreview's 2022 top 10 breakthrough technologies, Covid genomic surveillance, Paxlovid, #AI protein folding and AI synthetic data are among them@DeepMind @antonioregalado @strwbillytechnologyreview.com/2022/02/23/104… pic.twitter.com/QG4Jyo72Dy → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1496507091711897603 | 16:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The mixed findings as to whether the Sotrovimab monoclonal antibody works against the BA.2 variantnature.com/articles/d4158… but it appears that Bebtelovimab does @nature by @FKreier pic.twitter.com/d762qFqnzu → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1496512874361290752 | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +9302 cases, +92 deaths since 23 hours ago | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Endothelial Protection in Convalescent COVID-19 Patients → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05252923 | 17:12 |
| de-facto | %title https://depositonce.tu-berlin.de/bitstream/11303/16461/4/2022-02-23_MODUS-COVID_Bericht.pdf "MODUS-COVID Bericht vom 23.02.2022" about BA.2 resurge in Germany from https://depositonce.tu-berlin.de/handle/11303/16461 | 17:14 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From depositonce.tu-berlin.de: MODUS-COVID Bericht vom 23.02.2022 (Müller, Sebastian Alexander; Charlton, William; Conrad, Natasa Djurdjevac; Ewert, Ricardo; Paltra, Sydney; Rakow, Christian; Conrad, Tim; Schütte, Christof; Nagel, [...] | 17:14 |
| de-facto | %title https://covid-sim.info/ | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From covid-sim.info: COVID-19 DataViewer | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): COVID-19 Prevention Trial: Effect of Prophylactic Use of TAFFIX™ on Infection Rate by SARS-COV-2 VIRUS (COVID-19). → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05252468 | 17:22 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.14.480335v1 | 17:34 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.biorxiv.org: Virological characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 BA.2 variant | bioRxiv | 17:34 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.28.22270044v1 | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron VOC subvariants BA.1 and BA.2: Evidence from Danish Households | medRxiv | 17:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Even small donation to Freedom Convoy after Feb. 15 enough to have donor's bank accounts frozen, finance committee told → https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/szgfuc/even_small_donation_to_freedom_convoy_after_feb/ | 17:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | Article deleted from worldnews of course | 17:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | I'm starting to think left or right wing doesn't matter, governments are only too happy to use covid-related unrest to crush simple freedoms | 17:45 |
| xx | so you're coming over to our side then? | 17:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Association of the Risk for Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia Syndrome and Exposure To COVID-19 Vaccines → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05252442 | 17:51 |
| LjL | xx: doubtful | 17:56 |
| LjL | I've answered this way when I was asked before, a few times... COVID almost certainly wasn't "created" to crush anyone's freedoms, but governments almost always take any circumstance conducive to crushing freedoms as a good excuse to do so, so while I've been in favor of lockdowns and stuff, I've also being vocal that they should at some point end, that green passes should remain an emergency measure also with an end (and I've grumbled when the Italian government | 17:58 |
| LjL | untied them from the emergency state although the emergency state must end now due to the constitution) | 17:58 |
| LjL | I think that a pandemic can create dynamics that end up oppressing people more than they were before, both politically and economically, is a bit of a given and if someone is outraged at me stating this simple general common sense reality, they can get fucked. And if they do get outraged, you can be the left wing ones will say I'm a fascist, and the right wing ones will say I'm a commie | 18:00 |
| LjL | Be sure* | 18:01 |
| LjL | and r/worldnews will say something like "I've mocked public health measures" | 18:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: valerie: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/75/ | 18:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD (@michaelzlin): Today's release actually provides some nice data that speaks to the age effect. You can see below in the gray bars (after primary vax series) that Sanofi-GSK is closer to Pfizer than J&J or AZ (note log scale) for 18-55yo, but is worse than all other [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1496534231882870793 | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD (@michaelzlin): So perhaps Sanofi-GSK's naked protein+adjuvant efficacy is more sensitive to immune function than the other vax types. That would mean the approach works, but dosing needed optimization through trial and error. The other vax were lucky not to run into [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1496535307541704705 | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD (@michaelzlin): Novavax had peak antibody levels between Pfizer and Moderna using half the amount of antigen. If Sanofi-GSK peak is also below Pfizer peak (again, can't say for sure), that would suggest Novavax's adjuvant is better, or its nanoparticle helps, or [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1496538714025115653 | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD (@michaelzlin): So perhaps Sanofi-GSK is still underdosed, but I'm sure they have their reasons for not going higher.Overall shows that while the science of vaccine-making is reliable in the long term, in the short term there is some luck and art to it. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1496538715929612289 | 18:49 |
| * enyc meows | 18:54 | |
| enyc | UK endemic covid-19 hrrm | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +49162 cases, +252 deaths, +479447 tests (10.3% positive) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +9877 cases, +96 deaths since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +840 cases, +783998 tests (0.0% positive) since 23 hours ago | 19:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The Hospital at Home (HaH) movement is getting legs, propelled by Covid, and will be increasingly adopted with sensors, #AI analytics, validation. The @NHS is a leading force, as we laid out @NHS_HealthEdEngtopol.hee.nhs.ukft.com/content/76a8da… pic.twitter.com/vjukPrpPAP → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1496545824331173890 | 19:08 |
| LjL | If I wanted to stay so reliably between 10% and 11% positive rate as Italy has been doing I don't think I could even if I could decide how many tests to run... | 19:46 |
| LjL | It's stayed at that even during low testing days whereas what it was always like before was big spikes up when testing went down | 19:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): It's not surprising that Iceland is lifting all Covid restrictions, but the rationale provided by their Ministry of Health is startling"as many people as possible need to be infected with the virus" —@WillumThorreuters.com/business/healt… @reuters @NSkyds → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1496558037892571140 | 19:57 |
| xx | ^ need to get as many people with long covid as possible | 19:59 |
| LjL | going from that tweet | 20:03 |
| LjL | %title https://twitter.com/mroliverbarnes/status/1496498865171845120 | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From twitter.com: Oliver Barnes (@mroliverbarnes): "Iceland's government is not just lifting all Covid restrictions, they are saying it's about time for everyone to get infected..." | nitter | 20:04 |
| LjL | (check text quoted as image, sigh) | 20:04 |
| LjL | uhm i don't suppose Brainstorm's OCR thing still works | 20:04 |
| LjL | %title https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMSheG7WQAINP73?format=png&name=small | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From pbs.twimg.com: COPENHAGEN, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Iceland will lift all remaining COVID-19 restrictions on Friday, including a 200-person indoor gathering limit and restricted opening hours for bars, the Ministry of [...] | 20:04 |
| LjL | oh wow it does | 20:04 |
| LjL | i'm a genius | 20:04 |
| LjL | %print https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMSheG7WQAINP73?format=png&name=small | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, It says: COPENHAGEN, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Iceland will lift all remaining COVID-19 restrictions on Friday, including a 200-person indoor gathering limit and restricted opening hours for bars, the Ministry of Health said on Wednesday. "Widespread societal resistance to COVID-19 is the main route out of the epidemic," the ministry said in a statement, citing infectious disease [... want %more?] | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, It says: COPENHAGEN, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Iceland will lift all remaining COVID-19 restrictions on Friday, including a 200-person indoor gathering limit and restricted opening hours for bars, the Ministry of Health said on Wednesday. "Widespread societal resistance to COVID-19 is the main route out of the epidemic," the ministry said in a statement, citing infectious disease [... want %more?] | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, It says: COPENHAGEN, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Iceland will lift all remaining COVID-19 restrictions on Friday, including a 200-person indoor gathering limit and restricted opening hours for bars, the Ministry of Health said on Wednesday. "Widespread societal resistance to COVID-19 is the main route out of the epidemic," the ministry said in a statement, citing infectious disease [... want %more?] | 20:04 |
| LjL | okay just once though | 20:04 |
| xx | so much mixed messaging "[...] as the vaccines are not enough" | 20:06 |
| LjL | the vaccines are not enough, but infection doesn't provide much better immunity, while on the flipside, it provides, uh, infection | 20:07 |
| LjL | so yeah i dunno | 20:07 |
| LjL | but maybe Iceland is just being more open and transparent about their motives than all the other countries that are also "reopening everything" ;( | 20:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Thomas House ( ˘▽˘)っ☕️ (@TAH_Sci): Please take the time to read about some of the amazing work that's been done to get us to where we are with the pandemic.wisecampaign.org.uk/covid-unsung-h… → https://twitter.com/TAH_Sci/status/1496558864568926208 | 20:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +33103 cases, +307 deaths since 23 hours ago | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Il Sole 24 Ore: Quarta dose: chi sono i super fragili che potranno farla da marzo: Dopo il via libera dell’Agenzia del farmaco sono arrivate le indicazioni del commissario Figliuolo che fanno partire la nuova fase della campagna vaccinale → https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/quarta-dose-chi-sono-super-fragili-che-potranno-farla-marzo-AEjAeOFB | 21:05 |
| LjL | %title https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1496506821623832582 | 21:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From twitter.com: zeynep tufekci (@zeynep): "The Africa CDC is asking for a pause in vaccine donations. Distribution remains a challenge (and getting too much at once makes it harder to use them before they expire), [...] | 21:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Pfizer: kimkevin: CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices Votes to Recommend TicoVac™, Pfizer’s Tick-Borne Encephalitis (TBE) Vaccine, For Those at Risk of Virus Exposure → https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/cdc-advisory-committee-immunization-practices-votes | 21:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +60927 cases, +188 deaths since 23 hours ago | 22:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Update with this new report for 3-shots vs Omicron infections, consistent evidence of benefit across 9 studies for ~50% VE, much lower than ~90%+), but higher than 2-shots, less protection over time twitter.com/EricTopol/stat… pic.twitter.com/Tzrh2vULgb → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1496589741390647296 | 22:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Feb 23, 2022: COVID vaccines and blood clots Digital health guidance for pandemics More high-path avian flu in US poultry Global flu continues decline → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/02/news-scan-feb-23-2022 | 22:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malaysia: +31199 cases, +55 deaths since a day ago — Germany: +220624 cases since 23 hours ago | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): New @NEJM The decoupling of infections from hospitalizations and deaths during the Omicron wave in South Africa: impact of a high rate of prior infection, some hybrid immunity, and the likely role of cellular immunitynejm.org/doi/full/10.10… pic.twitter.com/iubaNgOTW6 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1496605901054042118 | 23:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Moderna goes to phase 3 with an RSV mRNA vaccinemRNA-1345 codes for the prefusion F glycoprotein, the best way to neutralise the respiratory virus.investors.modernatx.com/news/news-deta… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1496608743987027978 | 23:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Info;900.000 gevaccineerden. vergeleken met SARS-CoV-2 infectienejm.org/doi/full/10.10… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1496611844936638468 | 23:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Population Immunity and Covid-19 Severity with Omicron Variant in South AfricaThe "mildness" of Omicron; a combination of vaccine and prior infection. This decoupled infection from hospitalisation, not intrinsic pathogenicity of Omicron.nejm.org/doi/full/10.10… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1496617929596620804 | 23:51 |
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