| ecks | the Ukraine war seems to have been the final nail in the covid coffin in Finland and Sweden | 00:00 |
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| Tuvix | I'm just frustrated watching the US death numbers which have been very flat the last week, and that's with 7-day averaging. It *could* just be that has parts of the country that were hit earlier and often had better vaccination rates are falling, the middle/southern parts of the country are only now coming off their worst and seeing deaths. | 00:01 |
| Tuvix | But Delta had a weak and stalled recovery too, with a death rate around an average of roughly 10 to 11 *times* the averaged (annually) influenza deaths. That's not a recovery; that's a tragedy. | 00:02 |
| Tuvix | Obviously the warn in Ukraine is horrible and I in no way wish to make light of the horror going on there, but yesterday's reports included an estimated 2k civilians killed (and possibly higher, but those were semi-official reports.) The US is seeing almost that much death daily. | 00:03 |
| Tuvix | Obviously the humanitarian crisis and damage to buildings & lives is far worse than COVID, but it's an interesting comparison purely on the standpoint of deaths. | 00:03 |
| Tuvix | I get the feeling that the Ukraine deaths are somehow more meaningful, but in both cases that's a loss of someone's family member, co-worker, or neighbor. | 00:04 |
| ecks | The war certainly feels like a bigger threat to society than covid right now | 00:04 |
| Tuvix | Yes, I agree fully; death is only one small aspect of the outcome of war. | 00:04 |
| LjL | I came from this tweet https://twitter.com/clg6000/status/1499503071256354817 | 00:05 |
| Tuvix | That was strictly a comparison of death, but even just considering that, I know *I* personally feel more strongly about the Ukraine situation than the COVID deaths. | 00:05 |
| Tuvix | Maybe I'm just coming around to the "new normal" as folks like to call it includes a 5-to-10 times annual rate of death from COVID, and that's assuming we get past this Omicron recovery that's somewhat stalled (at least in the US) and further assumes no new major peaks in COVID transmission. | 00:07 |
| Tuvix | To put the COVID/flu into context, annual average of flu (since it's a highly seasonal cause of death) would be 0.21 on the orange scale. You can get an idea of how far away from that figure the US has been at any given point during the pandemic: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases_7daydeathsper100k | 00:09 |
| Tuvix | Peak of Omicron: 26.6x the rate of death vs. flu. Peak of delta: 19.6x. Peak of Alpha last winter: 34.7x. | 00:10 |
| Tuvix | If something like gun deaths or car crashes or fires went up by an order of magnitude in 2 years we'd be up in arms to do something about it. But respiratory disease? Apparently that's just fine. | 00:11 |
| Tuvix | LjL: To make this point even more, the 2nd to last bullet on the Twitter photo you linked even points out that "83% say the pandemic will be over when it' sa mild illness like the flu" -- we've got a long ways to go until then. | 00:12 |
| Tuvix | I guess it's perhaps like 10 concurrent flus all going at once. | 00:12 |
| dTal | I guess we're all very excited to have something besides covid be "the big thing" | 00:15 |
| Tuvix | I guess; really that means that something more horrible has happened though :\ | 00:15 |
| dTal | Not neccesarily - people have hope, they see a big event happening and they wonder, are we perhaps on the edge of a shift to something better | 00:16 |
| Tuvix | Right, this could actually have implications for the EU, NATO, and various alliances moving forward. | 00:17 |
| dTal | But it touches on climate change too, and the problems we've been having with our social discourse | 00:17 |
| Tuvix | Perhaps outlooks on equity too, after watching some of the early reports on discrimination of non-EU/Western, non-Ukraine citizens. | 00:17 |
| LjL | dTal, it comes so apropos i almost wonder | 00:18 |
| Tuvix | That's been fixed to a point after some very public reports about it, but it also leaves some questions about what we as a global society can do to improve situations like that from happening in the first place. | 00:18 |
| Tuvix | Obviously equity is a big issue with COVID too, and continues to be even in developed countries if you look at the breakdown by economic or nationality of origin. | 00:18 |
| LjL | dTal, just when a lot of countries decide to change their political line to the pandemic being over, this happens. or vice versa, since it's hard to establish cause and effect when you don't know when countries started knowing something like this would happen | 00:18 |
| LjL | by which i mean | 00:19 |
| dTal | They might just be linked in a general sense of propagating change - not neccesarily directly linked, but both carried by the same tide | 00:20 |
| Tuvix | I think the sad reality is that unless more actionable changes are to be made, you have to declare that the result has worked, otherwise you're admitting defeat in a political sense. | 00:21 |
| dTal | I thought you were talking about Putin for a moment. I still think it applies. | 00:22 |
| Tuvix | In other words, if we can't convince those who aren't vaccinated to get it, and can't do much to prevent the continued spread of disease, than from a political point you're left re-assuring people that this is managable. Which is a polite way of saying that the level of harm and death is viewed as a fact of life we're not going to put effort into changing. | 00:22 |
| Tuvix | Oh, yes, I also had the same thought when writing that; this is basically Putin's playbook regarding Russia's losses in the war as well. | 00:23 |
| Tuvix | Of course, he has to put on that face domestically despite the rest of the world seeing it for what it is, but I view some of the COVID statements with similar light, although I at least understand the COVID situation even if I don't agree with the politics of it fully. | 00:23 |
| user | smh, no | 00:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Correspondence] Brazil's COVID-19 guidelines: political hijack of public health: On Jan 20, 2022, in an unprecedented move, the Brazilian Secretary for Science, Technology, and Innovation overrode the Brazilian guideline for COVID-19 outpatient treatment. The [... want %more?] → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00338-5/fulltext | 00:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Hong Kong: +56827 cases, +198 deaths since a day ago — Cook Is.: +13 cases since 23 hours ago — Macau: +1 cases since 4 days ago | 01:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: The NFL and players' union agree to suspend COVID protocols for the 2022 season: With the change in protocol, league players and staff will no longer have to wear face coverings at NFL facilities, regardless of their vaccination status. → https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2022/03/03/1084329882/nfl-drops-covid-protcols | 01:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for China: +55572 cases since 3 hours ago — Canada: +6600 cases, +114 deaths, +43128 tests (6.2% positive) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +45821 cases since 15 hours ago | 02:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Simultaneous co-infection of Delta and Omicron in 7 people with immune competence, al but 1 under age 40 medrxiv.org/content/10.110… Rare occurrences, but possible path to recombination and new variant formation → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1499567481416917001 | 03:14 |
| LjL | %print https://twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/status/1499412424016994305 | 03:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, It says: Colin Angus (@VictimOfMaths): "Hong Kong is currently experiencing a horrifying COVID-19 outbreak. The mortality rate is approaching the UK's peak in January 2021. Why, if Omicron is so much milder? Most of that mildness is really due to vaccination and Hong Kong has hugely failed to vaccinate older people." | Hungary-based nitter instance by Hackerspace Szeged | 03:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD (@michaelzlin): I've never felt luckier living in the US than this week. We may have slow and inefficient responses to COVID-19 but we don't have to worry about an artillery shell killing us or our loved ones, or being jalied for revealing the facts. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1499579531480371201 | 04:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Korea: +266838 cases, +186 deaths since a day ago — Vietnam: +176150 cases, +25 deaths, +154382 tests (114.1% positive) since a day ago | 04:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Zealand: +22580 cases, +7 deaths, +19544 tests (115.5% positive) since 23 hours ago — France: +522878 cases since 18 hours ago | 05:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +219000 cases since 16 hours ago — Tonga: +290 cases since 6 days ago — Canada: +6719 cases since 13 hours ago | 05:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 is associated with a lower viral load and likelihood of systemic symptoms → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/t6bq4r/vaccination_against_sarscov2_is_associated_with_a/ | 06:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): In these days of pandemics and many wars in the world it is important to take time to walk in nature and smell the flowers. pic.twitter.com/idYZJtVQQX → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/1499629450920615943 | 07:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for China: +112689 cases since 8 hours ago — Lower Saxony, Germany: +49000 cases, +47 deaths since a day ago — Thuringen, Germany: +11681 cases, +7 deaths since a day ago — Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Germany: +11267 cases, +13 deaths since a day ago | 07:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from MedicineNet: (news): Nerve Damage Might Help Drive Some Cases of Long COVID → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp | 07:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: All rules in Wales could be axed on 28 March: Mask, self-isolation laws and free mass testing to end as Wales sets out plans to lift all measures. → https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-60602012 | 08:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | March 04, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/t6e01x/daily_discussion_thread_march_04_2022/ | 09:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Health care workers don unnecessary protective gear. The CDC and WHO need to update their PPE guidance: Having taken care of hundreds of Covid-19 patients, we would have no concern about entering a patient's room without donning an isolation gown because [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2022/03/04/health-care-workers-donning-unnecessary-protective-gear/ | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: UK scales back routine covid-19 surveillance: On 24 February 2022, the UK government removed the legal requirement for people in England to self-isolate after a positive covid-19 test result, with the other UK nations also easing restrictions.1... → http://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o562.short | 11:48 |
| xx | ^ well, what now... | 11:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Liechtenstein: +362 cases since 22 hours ago | 11:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: ECDC: Data on the daily number of new reported COVID-19 cases and deaths by EU/EEA country → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/data-daily-new-cases-covid-19-eueea-country | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Data on COVID-19 vaccination in the EU/EEA: Data in various file formats with information on COVID-19 vaccine doses administered, manufacturers, and target groups in the EU/EEA. → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/data-covid-19-vaccination-eu-eea | 12:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: Medical Misinformation Falsely Links a Serious Infection to Leftover Chinese Food: A young man contracted a dangerous infection that was newsworthy, because it could have been prevented by a safe vaccine, but it had absolutely [... want %more?] → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-misinformation-falsely-links-a-serious-infection-to-leftover-chinese-food/ | 13:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘Lots of happy tears’: joy as New Zealand opens border after two years of isolation → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/t6ho21/lots_of_happy_tears_joy_as_new_zealand_opens/ | 13:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Covid Fact Check UK (@fact_covid): The number of people estimated to have COVID-19 continues to fall in England, Northern Ireland and Wales, although the trend is less certain for the latter.The outlier is Scotland, where prevalence is increasing fairly rapidly and around 1 in 19 are [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/fact_covid/status/1499729114529476609 | 14:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: COVID Is on the Verge of Becoming a Poor-Country Disease: Americans, by and large, are putting the pandemic behind them. Now that Omicron is in the rearview mirror and cases are plummeting, even many of those who have stayed cautious for two full [... want %more?] → https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/03/pandemic-global-south-disease-health-crisis/624179/ | 14:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Shionogi Presents the Interim Report (Top-line Results) of a Phase 2/3 Additional Dose Clinical Trial for the COVID-19 Vaccine, S-268019 → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/t6il8g/shionogi_presents_the_interim_report_topline/ | 14:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Public Health Watch: Few Physicians Spread COVID-19 Misinformation: However, those that do have significant influence—and may have affected vaccination rates and treatment use, research suggests. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/public-health-watch-few-physicians-spread-covid-19-misinformation | 14:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: What the Hell Is Happening to COVID in Israel? → https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/t6jn4s/what_the_hell_is_happening_to_covid_in_israel/ | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +218072 cases since 23 hours ago | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science Daily: Henipavirus glycoprotein architecture suggests therapeutic strategies: 3D structural findings are reported on a critical component of the Nipah virus' infection mechanism, and how antibodies home in on an important part of the machinery that attaches the virus to host cells. The results [... want %more?] → https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/03/220304090347.htm | 15:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tonga: +70 cases, +34012 tests (0.2% positive) since 10 hours ago — Canada: +19019 cases, +161 deaths since 23 hours ago | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Theo Sanderson (@theosanderson): BA.1/BA.2 prevalence by region from ONS Infection Survey ♂️ pic.twitter.com/dmMycVFLlM → https://twitter.com/theosanderson/status/1499761361492000768 | 16:10 |
| Timvde | Pretty much all restrictions here will be lifted starting on Monday | 16:22 |
| Timvde | Let's see how that goes | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Veterinary medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Evant, Coccidiosis vaccine live for chickens, Date of authorisation: 05/02/2019, Revision: 1, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/veterinary/EPAR/evant | 16:49 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/966092 | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medscape.com: Hyperinflammatory States Associated With Brain Injury in COVID-19 | 16:53 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.03.21266112v1 | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Brain Injury in COVID-19 is Associated with Autoinflammation and Autoimmunity | medRxiv | 16:53 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.coronavirus.gov.hk/eng/index.html | 17:27 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.coronavirus.gov.hk: COVID-19 Thematic Website - Together, We Fight the Virus - Home | 17:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (translated) 3D Telemedicine: A Clinician Feedback Study: Conditions: Telemedicine; 3 Dimensional; Reconstructive Surgery → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05267197 | 17:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Respiratory Virus Sampling and Repository → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05266222 | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: ‘Bot holiday’: Covid disinformation down as social media pivot to Ukraine → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/t6nryb/bot_holiday_covid_disinformation_down_as_social/ | 18:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): An outgrowth of the pandemic"All of a sudden, home diagnostics and home testing became a thing"wsj.com/articles/compa… by @austenhufford pic.twitter.com/x0sdTo0dN6 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1499797044667432963 | 18:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: (translated) valerie: AnGes: AG0301-COVID19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/3/ | 18:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: (translated) Valerie: AIM Vaccine: LVRNA009 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/189/ | 18:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +38353 cases, +210 deaths, +388836 tests (9.9% positive) since 22 hours ago | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Addressing COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy Challenges in Younger Children: With the news that one of the m-RNA COVID-19 vaccine’s effectiveness dropped from 68% to 12% in children 5-11 years old within a month raises concerns of what should be done to [... want %more?] → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/addressing-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-challenges-in-younger-children | 19:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: (translated) valerie: Airlangga University: UNAIR Inactivated COVID-19 Vaccine → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/181/ | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +44998 cases, +110 deaths since 23 hours ago — Germany: +187961 cases since 23 hours ago — Canada: +17571 cases, +158 deaths since 23 hours ago | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +22400 cases, +192 deaths since 21 hours ago | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: (translated) News Scan for Mar 04, 2022: COVID vaccine efficacy in teens Vaccines against COVID-19 spread Avian flu in Missouri poultry Japanese encephalitis virus in Australia Polio in Africa → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/03/news-scan-mar-04-2022 | 21:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: COVID-only Minnesota hospitals had lower death rates: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Mar 04, 2022 Death rates were 22% to 25% lower despite a 41% ICU rate, compared with 18% in other hospitals. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/03/covid-only-minnesota-hospitals-had-lower-death-rates | 21:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: LA drops mask mandate; NFL drops COVID-19 protocols: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Mar 04, 2022 The CDC says 90% of Americans are in areas with low or medium levels of COVID-19. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/03/la-drops-mask-mandate-nfl-drops-covid-19-protocols | 21:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): An in-depth assessment of BA.2 (>124,000 people) vs BA.1 (>30,000) infections in QatarBA.2 has higher viral loads and longer infectious periodsmedrxiv.org/content/10.110… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1499850286394798084 | 22:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Proteome-wide Mendelian randomization identifies causal links between blood proteins and severe COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/t6solv/proteomewide_mendelian_randomization_identifies/ | 22:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Jeremy Kamil (@macroliter): Well, BA.2 has been a real snoozer in Louisiana . To date, only 6 BA.2 from the entire state.. out of 2629 total #Omicron → https://twitter.com/macroliter/status/1499858265328406528 | 22:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Contagion Live: Pfizer’s C Difficile Vaccine Did Not Meet Endpoint for Phase 3 Study: The company’s investigational PF-06425090 vaccine did show benefits including decreased median infection period and no hospitalizations in the vaccinated cohort. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/pfizer-s-c-difficile-vaccine-did-not-meet-endpoint-for-phase-3-study | 22:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +44963 cases since 23 hours ago | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Coronavirus infects penis, testicles and prostate - Testicular pain, erectile dysfunction, reduced sperm count and quality, decreased fertility are direct consequence of infection, new study shows → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/t6tnzz/coronavirus_infects_penis_testicles_and_prostate/ | 23:09 |
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