libera/##covid-19/ Saturday, 2022-03-19

BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +98855 cases, +217 deaths since 17 hours ago00:08
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Prof Brendan Crabb (@CrabbBrendan): Imp. paper in the world’s best biomedical journal. Not great news for natural omicron infection doing as much as hoped to contribute to the ‘wall of immunity’. You’re NOT bullet proof if previously infected. Everyone - get your 3rd dose & avoid [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/CrabbBrendan/status/150495519357358080200:12
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: America’s Flu-Shot Problem Is Also Its Next COVID-Shot Problem: Our experience with flu shots reminds us that Americans, cultured to become immune to the notion of unnecessary death from disease, still have a chance to shift that perspective → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/thi899/americas_flushot_problem_is_also_its_next/00:50
BrainstormUpdates for France: +98867 cases, +114 deaths since 14 hours ago01:04
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Antivaxx dumbfuck and GOP congressional candidate Heidi St. John wants to have Nuremberg war crimes trials not for Putin, but for the doctors who created the Covid vaccine and saved millions of lives. She wants [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/thiw6h/antivaxx_dumbfuck_and_gop_congressional_candidate/01:28
LjLoh lord01:29
LjLthat subreddit also has some decent-looking headlines, do i leave it?01:30
LjLat the same time it does have another "antivaxx dumbfuck" headline actually as sticky01:30
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): In particular, with more mutations in Spike, the target of neutralizing antibodies, the cross-reactivity for other variants is even less after Omicron infection. This is not a major concern for protection against severe disease, but this affects infections and [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/150497955175086899601:37
deathstar /kk'm01:42
BrainstormUpdates for China: +348692 cases, +265 deaths since 22 hours ago — Cook Is.: +72 cases, +522 tests since a day ago02:01
user__2019?02:12
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): TOGETHER trial for ivermectin n=1358 patients with COVID were randomized to ivermectin or placebo. Result: no benefit to ivermectin.  “There was no indication that ivermectin is clinically useful” wsj.com/articles/iverm… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/150499389227766579602:35
BrainstormNew from This Week In Virology: TWiV 877: COVID-19 clinical update #106 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #106, Daniel Griffin covers failure of ivermectin to improve hospitalization, increased hospitalization of children with Omicron, seroconversion of children versus adults, effectiveness of Pfizer mRNA vaccine in [... want %more?] → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-877/05:23
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +958 cases since 9 hours ago05:59
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: The controversial quest to make a 'contagious' vaccine → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/tho25k/the_controversial_quest_to_make_a_contagious/06:24
BrainstormUpdates for Western Australia, Australia: +5797 cases, +4 deaths since a day ago — Germany: +256122 cases since 15 hours ago — Jilin, China: +1834 cases since 2 days ago — Liaoning, China: +73 cases since a day ago07:01
BrainstormNew from MedicineNet: (news): Omicron COVID Causing Severe Croup in Young Children → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp07:58
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | March 19, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/thpoq4/daily_discussion_thread_march_19_2022/08:08
BrainstormUpdates for Taiwan: +126 cases, +37993 tests since a day ago09:07
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: Contagions Worse Than COVID Will Prevail If Neglect of Global Public Health Continues → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/thrmcz/contagions_worse_than_covid_will_prevail_if/10:50
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Teachers 'Beaten Down' By Staff Shortages, COVID: In a survey, a quarter of teachers said they planned to quit. → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/ths9nf/teachers_beaten_down_by_staff_shortages_covid_in/11:27
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Boosters reduce in-hospital mortality in patients with COVID-19: An observational cohort analysis → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/tht9ih/boosters_reduce_inhospital_mortality_in_patients/12:34
BrainstormNew from Politico: Coronavirus: Austria reintroduces face masks as coronavirus cases surge → https://www.politico.eu/article/austria-reintroduce-face-mask-coronavirus-case-surge/12:54
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): You're likely much better off getting boosted than getting an omicron infection in terms of protection offered against a future variant. twitter.com/EricTopol/stat… → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/150516022688182272613:41
BrainstormNew from Retraction Watch: Weekend reads: False data in Columbia rankings?; data service accused of intimidating researchers; preprint server removes ‘inflammatory’ papers: Would you consider [... want %more?] → https://retractionwatch.com/2022/03/19/weekend-reads-false-data-in-columbia-rankings-data-service-accused-of-intimidating-researchers-preprint-server-removes-inflammatory-papers/14:30
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Matthew (@MatthewDavidH): @matthewherper @Dereklowe It's not pinin'! It's passed on! This COVID cure is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! THE ONLY REASON IT'S STILL STANDING ON ITS PERCH IS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN NAILED THERE! → https://twitter.com/MatthewDavidH/status/150517426725579161714:48
xxuh, what?14:51
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: CDC: Receiving 2 or 3 doses of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine was associated with a 90% reduction in risk for COVID-19–associated IMV or death. Protection of 3 mRNA vaccine doses during the period of Omicron predominance was 94%. → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/thvhdf/cdc_receiving_2_or_3_doses_of_an_mrna_covid19/14:58
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +254175 cases since 22 hours ago15:10
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: Children’s Duration of COVID-19 Immunity from Natural Infection: A Texas study found children and adolescents who previously contracted COVID-19 retained protective antibodies for 6 or more months after infection. However, natural infection plus [... want %more?] → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/children-s-duration-of-covid-19-immunity-from-natural-infection15:17
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Europe's BA.2 variant ascent continues pic.twitter.com/xywuCjVssn → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/150521174382741914317:02
Arsaneritxx: It's a reference to Monty Python's Flying Circus, specifically the "parrot sketch".17:20
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Updated virus wastewater surveillance in limited 468 sites that monitor10% have increases 1,000% or morecovid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra… pic.twitter.com/bdkeyj8NcC → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/150521527853098188917:21
Arsanerit1,000% meaning 1% or factor 10?17:22
Spec_so ...17:25
Spec_what booster should i get?17:25
Spec_LjL: ^17:25
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): Have the USA prepared for this pandemic at any time? Why would they prepare for a surge now? We are are good at quick response and preparation in South Africa and we can always help countries that are less advanced in pandemic preparedness and response…  [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/150521922476724633817:31
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Covid ICU hospitalizations in the US are the lowest since the pandemic began, and hospitalizations, at 20,000, are now approaching the nadir at 15,000  pic.twitter.com/2wYWKnMhky → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/150522151874525184217:40
de-facto%title https://www.coronaheadsup.com/asia/hong-kong/hong-kong-omicron-ba-2-with-si1221t-mutation-designated-ba-2-2/17:52
Brainstormde-facto: From www.coronaheadsup.com: Hong Kong: Omicron BA.2 with S:I1221T mutation designated BA.2.2 - Coronaheadsup.com17:52
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): "Beijing digs in to avoid repeating Hong Kong’s Covid mistakes"ft.com/content/91e91a… @FT @edwardwhitenz @primroseriordan pic.twitter.com/l05vWsxHQ1 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/150523057093824512218:18
BrainstormUpdates for Italy: +75768 cases, +85 deaths, +478051 tests since 22 hours ago19:01
imaginarydamn :/19:22
LjLSpec_, oh yeah you did19:56
LjLSpec_, i've not stayed very up to date... there were some indications Moderna had more myocarditis risk with the second shot than Pfizer, but other indications that they were similar, and neither of those was about the booster. in the booster, Moderna is using half dose, but the earlier studies were on a full dose, so they can't be relied upon. the later studies... i've really not paid attention, but i think (unsure) Moderna seemed slightly more effective anyway,19:59
LjLor at least created more antibodies, despite the dose19:59
LjLi got two Pfizers and when i was presented with a choice of third, i got Pfizer again, fwiw19:59
LjLSpec_, i have this study saved https://www.zotero.org/groups/4391070/covid_links/tags/Boosters,Moderna/items/VFL7GBGX/library but it's hard to parse20:02
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The quest to get our germinal centers armed vs #SARSCoV2, providing durable humoral immunitycell.com/cell/fulltext/… @CellCellPress multiple advantages of vaccination over NI, by @stutangye @GarvanInstitute @Row_Bull @KirbyInstitute pic.twitter.com/9Dqe3jWeHs → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/150525653620080230420:03
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +179157 cases since 19 hours ago20:04
Spec_LjL: oh, i wanted an easy answer20:22
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): 95% reduction of hospitalization with a booster, across all ages, for Omicron, which applies to BA.2 as well, is hard to beat. cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/7…(it's only 76% with 2-shots) pic.twitter.com/ob3nEFktSu → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/150526267071432294420:22
LjLSpec_, how soon do you have to decide20:22
Spec_whenever, but i should decide/schedule on the sooner side i think20:23
de-factoi would go for some mRNA if i had to booster (after two doses), so either 50µg mRNA-1273 or 30µg BNT162b220:28
de-factoand then avoid any high-pulse scenario for two weeks after the injection20:29
de-facto(and avoid both, caffeine and alcohol)20:29
LjLit's not exactly like he could got for some *not* mRNA even if he wanted to...20:32
LjLwell, except Novavax now i guess20:33
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: You can donate your computer's unused processing power to run simulations to help scientists understand COVID-19 via Folding@Home. A reddit community called Banano is currently the top team contributor to this project with thousands of volunteers & [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ti2y3p/you_can_donate_your_computers_unused_processing/20:41
xxor you can donate your unused processing power to mine cryptocurrencies for me and I will pay the researchers an actual salary (after taking a handling fee of course)20:48
BrainstormUpdates for Israel: +7124 cases, +2 deaths since a day ago21:00
LjL%cases israel21:09
BrainstormLjL: Israel has had 3.8 million confirmed cases (41.0% of all people) and 10419 deaths (0.3% of cases; 1 in 881 people) as of 8 minutes ago. 47.4 million tests were done (5.2 per capita, 7.9% positive). 6.6 million were vaccinated (71.9%). +7124 cases, +2 deaths since a day ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Israel&legacy=no21:09
LjL41%!21:09
LjLbut very low death rate so they probably just test better eh21:09
LjLanyway looks like they're doing the same as Europe, starting to climb back up21:10
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD  (@michaelzlin): 2022.03.07. Short thread pointing out the obvious: HK has seen higher per capita deaths than anywhere else due to low vaccination in the elderly. Comparison with NZ and SK especially informative.twitter.com/michaelzlin/st… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/150527960498603622421:38
BrainstormUpdates for France: +96876 cases, +59 deaths since 20 hours ago — Canada: +724 cases since a day ago22:03
Arsaneritup and down, up and down22:12
TimvdeLjL: we have pretty much *no* restrictions anymore  so yea, obviously cases are going back up22:16
TimvdeSo do hospitalisations22:16
TimvdeICU is still going down though22:17
LjLwe still have the restrictions we've had for a long time, for now22:17
LjLand cases are going back up anyway22:17
LjLi'm always wary of hastening to attribute the case ups and downs to our actions22:17
Arsaneritif they're not attributable to our actions, then are the actions still justified?22:19
LjLit's not that the actions have no effects, but it's hard to disentangle the many variables22:19
lastshellhey guys is true that been 3x vaxxed + had omicron I'm protected for the new Omicron subvarinats ?22:24
de-facto%title https://en.ssi.dk/news/news/2022/reinfection-with-different-subtypes-of-omicron-is-possible22:36
Brainstormde-facto: From en.ssi.dk: Reinfection with different subtypes of Omicron is possible22:36
de-facto%title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.19.22271112v122:36
Brainstormde-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Occurrence and significance of Omicron BA.1 infection followed by BA.2 reinfection | medRxiv22:36
xxlastshell: depends on what you mean by protected. You most likely will not die. Long-covid? We don't know. Getting infected? Likely still possible.22:37
lastshellI assume I ddin't get long-covid22:38
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Florian Krammer (@florian_krammer): Research funding for COVID-19 seems to be drying up too..... twitter.com/NYTHealth/stat… → https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/150530012004425318622:53
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): unvaccinated adults and those 2x vaccinated were 12 and 3x as likely to be hospitalized, respectively, as were adults who received booster or additional doses. Hospitalization rates among non-Hispanic Black adults increased more than rates in other racial/ethnic groups. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/150530993753837159023:31
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Antibodies and their maturation happen in intricate processes in areas known as Germinal Centres.Getting to the (germinal) center of humoral immune responses to SARS-CoV-2Shedding light on the quality of immunity following vaccination vs [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/150531177188786585823:41

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