libera/##covid-19/ Saturday, 2022-05-07

BrainstormUpdates for Mali: +19 cases, +1 deaths since a day ago — United Kingdom: +11469 cases since 17 hours ago00:02
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): The risks of hospitalization and mortality were nearly identical between periods and variants. This analysis suggests that the intrinsic severity of the Omicron variant may be as severe as previous variants. → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/152270148578362572900:19
Trippy72894is anyone here to answer a question?00:37
BrainstormNew from The Lancet (Online): [Comment] Closing the global vaccine equity gap: equitably distributed manufacturing: Although the unprecedented speed of development of COVID-19 diagnostics, vaccines, and treatments has been lauded, one shortcoming that persists is vaccine inequity.1 The [... want %more?] → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00793-0/fulltext00:38
LjL%cases italy00:47
BrainstormLjL: Italy has had 16.7 million confirmed cases (27.8% of all people) and 164304 deaths (1.0% of cases; 1 in 367 people) as of 6 hours ago. 215.6 million tests were done (3.6 per capita, 7.8% positive). 48.5 million were vaccinated (80.6%). +44364 cases, +125 deaths since 23 hours ago. See https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/sars-cov-2-dashboard or https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/en/00:47
LjLTrippy72894, universal IRC rule: just ask your question00:48
Trippy72894ah ok00:52
Trippy72894how many would die within 12 mths if China stopped its zero covid policy?00:53
Trippy72894and would it increase risk of new variants with so many new hosts?00:53
LjLthe latter, almost certainly00:57
LjLthe former is hard to say, partly because during that time there *would* be new variants making things either better or worse00:58
LjLif you did "%cases italy" a while ago it said the fatality rate was 3%... 1% is a far cry from that00:59
LjLbut anyway, very rough reasoning, if western countries had something like in 1 in 400 people die from the pandemic in two yers, let's say 1 in 800 would die in China without any restrictive measures, that's 1.6 million people?01:01
LjLbut that's just back of the envelope (or front of the screen) scribbling, you'd need to model it. it's possible some of the moelling too in the sotero/github could handle arbitrary situations like that01:02
Trippy72894holy moly01:03
Trippy72894so conservatively hundreds of thousands, right?01:03
BrainstormUpdates for India: +3347 cases since 17 hours ago — Spain: +55578 cases, +197 deaths since 2 days ago — Bahrain: +680 cases, +4064 tests since a day ago — Germany: +74380 cases, +248 deaths since 19 hours ago01:05
LjLTrippy72894, yes, but you said what if they stopped their zero COVID policies... i assumed that means "no more policies at all", but realistically they would probably adopt some intermediate policies like in Europe01:08
Trippy72894ahh that's a good point. I didn't consider that.01:09
Trippy72894But we are all in masks here, with QR codes to get in anywhere for contact tracing01:09
Trippy72894and lockdowns here and there01:10
LjLTrippy72894, we being China?01:10
Trippy72894so I suppose they'd maybe do a huge round of vaxes then let it loose?01:10
Trippy72894yes01:10
Trippy72894and we have mandatory recent tests results to go from province to province still i think01:10
Trippy72894LjL, if you were the govt here, would you stop the zero covid policy? I was on the fence, but now think so many would die and it's worth the hassle to keep the policy01:11
LjLTrippy72894, well but i'm in Italy and while the policies are (unfortunately, imo) being loosened right now, we were also all in masks in any indoor places (FFP2 mandated for some), not outdoors but we had an outdoors mandate before too, and we have QR codes to show we've vaccinated or recovered that were required to enter shops, although regrettably they are NOT used for contact tracing, and our actual contact tracing solution could have been good but it has been01:11
LjLdiscarded01:11
LjLTrippy72894, i would consider that it's probably no longer realistic to achieve with Omicron :(01:12
Trippy72894interesting. thanks for that info.01:12
LjLwhen you actually have outbreaks, the measures taken are far harsher than the things you said01:12
Trippy72894true01:12
Trippy72894you mean the lockdowns right?01:12
LjLTrippy72894, yes but it's the meanings behind the term. we also had "lockdowns" in Italy, and they weren't anywhere like what we're hearing from Shanghai01:13
LjLthey're killing infected people's pete in Shanghai ffs01:13
Trippy72894harsh? as in public disapproval? I'm not sure about that one. I'm actually trying to find people there to ask about sentiment01:13
LjLthough on the better side, they are able to pool-test an entire city in just days01:14
Trippy72894what's your source on that "killing" thing?01:14
Trippy72894pets01:14
Trippy72894ahhh ok sorry01:14
Trippy72894i thought you said people01:14
Trippy72894do you think it's a losing battle in china?01:15
Trippy72894and will this bug go away? or is this an indefinite problem for china?01:15
LjLi'll need to do some log grepping to find the discussions about pets because they're not coming up easily01:16
Trippy72894will we eventually get some killer app vaccine?01:16
Trippy72894let's assume they are killing pets.01:16
LjLi don't know if it's a losing battle, China certainly seemed to succeed with zero COVID for very long01:16
Trippy72894that's collateral damage, but hey, i'm thinking about 100k + people not dying.01:16
LjLso it would be presumptive of me, from a country that did *not* succeed at all, to say "meh they'll fail now"01:16
LjLbut i think Omicron is infectious enough that failure is likely01:16
Trippy72894fair enough01:17
LjLthe bug won't go away01:17
Trippy72894will a variant come that is better and becomes dominant?01:17
Trippy72894what's your 5 yr prognosis?01:17
LjLvariants have kept doing that, so yes, there will come such a variant01:18
LjLit has happened before and will happen again01:18
Trippy72894that's good news right?01:18
LjLno01:18
Trippy72894oh01:18
LjLit may be less severe, it may be more severe01:18
LjLit will almost certainly be less susceptible to the vaccines we have01:19
LjLwhich is bad news01:19
Trippy72894oh dear01:19
Trippy72894 can we make a virus and set it loose that will be better and displace others? or is that nuts?01:19
LjLOmicron alone is "less severe" than Delta but it caused many deaths anyway because it infected so many people01:19
Trippy72894ah i see01:19
LjLlol, i've had that thought before, and i was called nuts :P01:19
Trippy72894you don't sound nuts01:19
Trippy72894are others considering that?01:19
LjLi mean, i was called nuts on that particular idea01:19
LjLit is dangerous01:20
LjLit's not a safe idea by any extent01:20
Trippy72894so this is forever and sucks right?01:20
LjLi think there could be safer way to have... self-propagating vaccine, though01:20
LjLyes, but it doesn't have to suck as much01:20
Trippy72894details?01:20
LjLPaxlovid works very well01:20
LjLi hope that maybe there will be enough production to give it to "everyone" who gets sick01:21
Trippy72894that's encouraging01:21
Trippy72894so give me a likely snapshot of the situation in 5 yrs01:21
Trippy72894we have good drugs, nasal vaxs, the bug is less harmful? that sort of thing?01:22
LjLTrippy72894, well, your obvious idea was, take SARS-COV-2 and just make it more infectious but less severe. then release that into the air. but some problems with that is it may recombine with more severe variants and cause a much worse variants. what if, instead, we take a known-harmless virus and engineer it to produce the SARS-COV-2 spike protein (like the vaccine)? it wouldn't do anything relased to COVID *except* that bit of protein01:22
LjLTrippy72894, or we're in the middle of a world war01:22
LjLi have no idea where we'll be in 5 years, many governments seem oriented towards now considering COVID "over", so i'm not even sure they'll do much about it except hide away the deaths01:23
LjLright as soon as the war in Ukraine started, this channel became *dead*01:23
Trippy72894yes, of course, a world war, because that's what insane humans do while we have a pandemic. but maybe it will coincide with a second, concurrent pandemic.01:24
LjLi should graph it someday, it was a dramatic drop01:24
Trippy72894:)01:24
Trippy72894don't feel bad. the #ukrainewar channed will be crickets as soon as #globaleconomicmeltdown gets popular01:25
Trippy72894then #worldgoesfascist then #postnukeIRCleftstanding01:25
LjLTrippy72894, anyway the "pets being killed" thing, i brought it up just as one random but big-sounding example of China's lockdowns vs western lockdowns. in much of China, when you leave your building, there is a person who asks you why and gives you a ticket you that *must* bring back on return, to show you were outside for the alloted time only01:26
spybertThat war is causing a lot of problems.  Some experts predict that next summer will be a "black summer" with starvation killing millions01:27
LjLin Italy, during our lockdowns, there was a piece of paper you'd print which checkboxes like "essential activity: walking pet"01:27
LjLand the usual running story was a lot of people bought dogs and the dogs were tired of being walked01:27
LjLand anyway, even if your lockdown paper said "fuck you", you'd only get into trouble if you met the police, because nobody was checking you at your building01:28
LjLreally different extents of lockdown in practice even if the theory is "people stay home except for essential things" in both cases01:28
Trippy72894LjL very interesting.01:29
LjLstill, i'm puzzled over the fact i can't find the Shanghai pet thing in my logs... i remember there were a few articles posted01:30
Trippy72894spybert: but soybean futures :)01:30
Trippy72894well, the pet thing sounds like sensationalist trivia to make china look awful.01:30
Trippy72894i like dogs, but really, it's a bit of a nonissue01:30
Trippy72894and dogs outside cities are treated horribly anyway01:31
Trippy72894but i digress01:31
Trippy72894bottom line: zero covid policy is probably saving hundreds of thousands of lives and is a pain in the ass but should continue01:31
Trippy72894that is my current position. reasonable?01:32
spybertTrippy72894: Yeah, ag futures are up, but it seems ridiculous that the daily news stories now resemble something out of a bad zombie apocalypse movie :))01:32
Trippy72894i'm thinking avoid deaths, family grief, cost, chaos, all that01:32
Trippy72894spybert, the news is huge BS these days. i have trouble getting facts I can rely on.01:33
Trippy72894nobody believes what the govt or media says until they say something we want to believe. :) then we believe it hook line and sinker01:33
spybertTrippy72894: Don't worry, I'm not watching Fox News.01:33
Trippy72894good01:33
Trippy72894even CNN and the like are such crap now.01:33
Trippy72894i prefer indep news media01:34
LjLTrippy72894, i don't know if it's reasonable, i think the way to see if it's reasonable is to strive to continue it past, say, the Shanghai outbreak, and if it all just breaks down and stops working, at some point, you do have to stop pretending it's working, or it's worse01:35
LjLif you manage to contain a Omicron outbreak in an entire city again, then yes, it's still working with Omicron01:36
Trippy72894that's reasonable.01:36
Trippy72894you know LjL, you are one of the last reasonable and noninsane people on earth01:36
LjLalso, i think China isn't as well vaccinated as much of the west01:36
Trippy72894are there more like you? i feel the world's gone nuts01:36
Trippy72894agreed!01:36
Trippy72894we need more vax01:37
Trippy72894but it wears off and i've had my 301:37
LjLlol, i don't know, i think when i talkto reasonable people, as soon as we get into the details, we start yelling at each other that we're insane anyway :P01:37
Trippy72894will they give more?01:37
Trippy72894:)01:37
LjLi don't know, i think aside from the amount, i'm just not sure the Sinovac and friends are quite as good as the mRNA vaccines01:37
Trippy72894ahhh ok01:37
Trippy72894after like 6 months, will i still have immunity?01:38
LjLHong Kong (and Shanghai?) had a *ton* of hospitalized people even relative to their case counts, iirc01:38
LjLTrippy72894, 6 months is on the long side :(01:38
Trippy72894oh01:38
LjLi mean, maybe you will, to some extent01:38
Trippy72894and what was the vax rade in HK at that time?01:38
LjLbut there were studies on some vaccines that showed after 6 months, little remained01:38
Trippy72894so why do they say 3 x and no more?01:39
LjLthe vax rate was weird. it wasn't *very low*, but it was low in elderly people, and various vaccines had been used01:39
Trippy72894what if i want to go outside china to travel?01:39
LjLTrippy72894, they'll say no more until they start saying more :P01:39
Trippy72894HK vax, ok understood.01:39
LjLthe 4th dose will probably have to be a modified one, for it to make any sense01:39
Trippy72894so they will likely give a 4th at some point?01:40
Trippy72894what about a vax that stops all these viruses at once forever? possible?01:40
LjLTrippy72894, here's a comparison between Comirnaty (Pfizer) and CoronaVac over a few months https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2022.27.2.210119701:42
LjLTrippy72894, yes, it's possible in theory, search for "pan-sarbecovirus vaccine" just "pan" mixed with other vaccine words :P01:43
LjLthe US army is working on one01:43
LjLbut it's early work, what we know is that there *exist* some bits of these viruses that you can expose people's immune systems to, and they'll react to *all* of these virus. from there, to having a 100% effective vaccine, is a long way01:44
LjLafter all we thought the vaccine we have were 95% effective at first (because they were, just with a lot of caveats that we didn't know yet)01:44
Trippy72894thanks for eurosurveillance link01:46
Trippy72894so possible but not for years, right?01:46
LjLright01:48
LjLbut i'm not talking 20 years, maybe if we're lucky it'll be 2 years01:48
Trippy72894really????? that's fantastic!01:48
Trippy72894so 5 years likely to have a vax that stops all this and life will go back to normal?01:49
LjLLibera/##covid-19/2022-02-28.log:[17:10:25] <Tuvix> Looks like while HK has a slightly higher vaccination rate vs. the US, they're trailing in boosters; that may explain why the death toll is hitting them so hard, now on-par with the daily death tolls the US saw from Omicron, although we may not yet have seen the peak in HK yet.01:49
Trippy72894i'm so happy to live on an island. of course, we're all going a bit bonkers not travelling, but oh well, we're safe.01:50
LjLTrippy72894, life may not go back to normal. the special thing about a vaccine like this is that it would cover all variants (and even MERS and SARS), but it could still only provide protection over less than 100% of courses01:50
LjLcases*01:50
Trippy72894but still that's pretty good01:50
LjLyes01:50
Trippy72894that's the best new i've heard in ages01:50
Trippy72894and likelihood of this within say 5 yrs? more than 50 50 ?01:51
LjLi really don't know :P01:51
Trippy72894ok01:52
Trippy72894thank you so so much LjL!01:52
Trippy72894this channel still rules01:52
LjLi'm being rather confused by this channel's logs, i know we've talked about some things, like which vaccines were used in HK, but i can't find them01:52
LjLgrr01:52
LjLTrippy72894, i think this is the thing being developed by the US army, at least one thing https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scitranslmed.abi573501:53
Trippy72894maybe we need one channel to rule them all like #wereallscrewed or something01:54
Trippy72894hmmm odd01:54
Trippy72894anyhow, be safe there in italy.01:54
Trippy72894and will you keep getting another vax then another then another to keep boosted? is that allowed?01:54
Trippy72894checking...01:54
LjLno it's not allowed01:54
LjLfor now only people over 80 and people with some vulnerabilities can get a 4th dose01:55
LjLit's likely the rest of us will wait until next autumn01:55
LjLTrippy72894, i think the article i linked is not the one about the pan-sarbecovirus01:55
LjL(may still be interesting)01:55
Trippy72894that's hard for me to undertand, but it sounds good01:56
Trippy72894what's the harm in giving unlimited vaccinations?01:56
LjLTrippy72894, this is the tag i used for the "pan" virus stuff https://www.zotero.org/groups/4391070/covid_links/tags/Universal%20antibodies/library02:00
LjLTrippy72894, unknown. there was some news that a man had gotten 87 shots as a scam (got paid so that antivaxxers wouldn't have to get the shots), and he was fine02:01
BrainstormNew from ##covid-19 Zotero group: Covid-19 Vaccine Effectiveness against the Omicron (B.1.1.529) Variant: Type Journal Article Author Nick Andrews Author Julia Stowe Author Freja Kirsebom Author Samuel Toffa Author Tim Rickeard Author Eileen Gallagher Author Charlotte Gower Author Meaghan Kall Author Natalie Groves [... want %more?] → https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/NVCX3KEG02:03
LjLTrippy72894, still, the *logistics* of giving people vaccinations every 6 months or so are huge02:04
LjLpeople say "it will be like the annual flu shot"02:04
LjLsure, except we only give the flu shot to a small percentage of the population02:04
LjLnot to EVERYONE02:04
LjLsounds like the thing China may be better able to pull off :P02:05
LjLTrippy72894, ah, i found it, the pets thing, wasn't Shanghai, that's probably why i was finding it hard to find it: https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/social-welfare/article/3170165/china-call-protect-pets-slaughter-during  https://www.businessinsider.com/china-langfang-district-says-kill-covid-patients-pets-2022-3  https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/u0fxgd/pets_filled_up_in_bags_for_their_duly_execution/i471pbd/  (note: last link contains02:12
LjLpastes/translations/interpretations of Weibo posts that have now been deleted, if that is any concern to you)02:12
LjLoh, how apropos <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Xi Jinping Warns For Questioning China's Zero-Covid Policy → https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/uk0r2k/xi_jinping_warns_for_questioning_chinas_zerocovid/02:14
LjLhere's something i staunchly believe, Trippy7289402:14
LjLwe should be able to *discuss* this policy, and it looks like you appreciate the ability to discuss it02:14
LjLwarning against "discussing" such things are what makes China utterly creepy to some of us sometimes02:14
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Are cases truly going down in the US or is it that no one is reporting when they have Covid because we all have free at home tests? → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/uk1afx/are_cases_truly_going_down_in_the_us_or_is_it/02:52
BrainstormUpdates for Dominica: +225 cases, +1701 tests since 4 days ago — Canada: +4789 cases, +77457 tests since 10 hours ago03:10
BrainstormUpdates for Guatemala: +709 cases, +30 deaths, +8907 tests since a day ago — United Kingdom: +11581 cases since 21 hours ago04:00
Trippy72894LjL, sorry I was away. Thanks for the scmp but that site is blocked. I can get the copy paste from a friend.04:28
Trippy72894same goes for reddit04:28
Trippy72894the govt doesnt mind people discussing, just not on mass social media where people can organize. that's understandable04:29
Trippy72894i said to someone in another channel, and he called me an idiot for it, that china's govt is sort of an anticipatory democracy.04:30
Trippy72894the govt fears the people, and there are a lot of people here. so they try to do the right thing lest people flip out.04:30
Trippy72894so the lockdows are maybe not so popular, but imagine if there was suddenly and end to zero covid policy here and 1 M died04:30
Trippy72894here, it's all about stability. and the police here are not violent or heavy handed absolutely whenever possible.04:31
Trippy72894i've dealt with them many times. they talk, endlessly if necessary to avoid violence04:31
Trippy72894again, you sit in a restaurant and bitch about the policy, fine. you go on social media and get a million to agree, not fine.04:33
Trippy72894knowing the way vaxs work, do you think one would be harmed with a shot every, say, six months?04:36
Trippy72894likely? unlikely?04:36
ublxwell every six months you might be facing a new strain of virus. will your vaccine shots be new designs every six months? if they are, we can't know how they work. if they're old formula, they will presumably be less and less relevant to newer strains04:41
Trippy72894ahhh i see ok04:44
Trippy72894but the actual "stuff" going into your body so often, is that a health problem?04:45
Trippy72894i mean it's just like a bit of "dead" virus, sort of, right?04:45
ublxi'd be entertaining speculations if i attempted to answer that, sry04:51
Trippy72894fair enough.04:53
Trippy72894Can we get two pandemics at the same time?04:54
ublxthat is an interesting question04:58
ublxi suppose in a hand wavy sense you could conceive of say delta and omicron being two different pandemics; and that they don't thrive or peak at the same time because one outcompetes the other05:01
ublxi suppose by strained analogy you could imagine myriad systems effects that might in the presence of one well established pathogen and one system of mitigations prevent the full development of another pathogen's potential05:03
Trippy72894but they are both the same sort of virus, right? is there a completely different kind we all might get, or is it always these corona types?05:03
Trippy72894ah i see. ok05:03
ublxi mean, i don't see in principle why two wholly unrelated pathogens could not achieve pandemic proportions simultaneously; but they would both in a broad sense be competing for the same/similar resources05:05
Trippy72894ok.05:06
Trippy72894are pandemics most, most likely to be coronaviruses?05:06
Trippy72894i know the black death was like a bacterium or something, but we could stop that, right? I mean, it's these nasty corona viruses that are the baddies, right?05:07
ublxonly 1 in this list (COVID-19) is a coronavirus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics05:08
Trippy72894checking...05:09
Trippy72894aahhhh ok.05:10
Trippy72894but they are mostly viruses, it seems05:10
Trippy72894i wonder if people get flu and have another virus at the same time. i suppose people with HIV do, right?05:11
ublxmhm05:16
minthyes it's completely possible to have multiple viruses at the same time05:34
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Most of Broadway Ends Vaccine Checks as Cases Rise in New York → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/uk2swt/most_of_broadway_ends_vaccine_checks_as_cases/05:45
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): —How's that BA.2/BA.2.12.1 wave going, United States?—No problem. We *only* had 102,000 new confirmed cases today—That doesn't seem to be good—Well, it's better than 1.4 million cases in a day we had in January → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/152278544263430144005:54
BrainstormUpdates for New Zealand: +6859 cases, +11 deaths since 23 hours ago05:59
BrainstormNew from This Week In Virology: TWiV 897: COVID-19 clinical update #113 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #113, Dr. Griffin discusses tocilizumab use in hospitalized Patients, IL-6 inhibitors and mortality, Baricitinib in hospitalized patients, post-infection neurological sequelae, comparative effectiveness of [... want %more?] → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-897/06:14
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Going viral? How COVID-19 turbocharged snake oil and quackery → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/uk60jb/going_viral_how_covid19_turbocharged_snake_oil/07:11
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Opinion | An unqualified judge lifted the travel mask mandate. Transit authorities must intervene. It would be in the best interest of a lot of people if state or local transit authorities stepped in. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/uk64qk/opinion_an_unqualified_judge_lifted_the_travel/07:20
BrainstormUpdates for Florida, United States: +49510 cases, +21 deaths since a day ago — California, United States: +23682 cases, +26 deaths since 2 days ago — New York, United States: +13850 cases, +19 deaths since a day ago — Western Australia, Australia: +9186 cases, +6 deaths since a day ago08:11
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | May 07, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/uk7p0z/daily_discussion_thread_may_07_2022/09:04
BrainstormNew from Il Sole 24 Ore: (translated) Boom in reinfections and with Omicron 4 and 5 the contagion curve can go back: What is worrying is the new sub-variants that have become prevalent in South Africa and have caused a fifth wave and are beginning to appear also in Italy. → https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/boom-reinfezioni-e-omicron-4-e-5-curva-contagi-puo-risalire-AEkFx4WB10:01
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Comparative effectiveness over time of the mRNA-1273 (Moderna) vaccine and the BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) vaccine → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/uk8h43/comparative_effectiveness_over_time_of_the/10:11
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): This is dumb. Former Taiwan VP and MOH head said COVID death rates in other countries shouldn't worry TaiwaneseUm, unvaxxed Taiwanese are just as vulnerable as other people. And they need to worry to take precautionsNot conservative party either [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/152285688338769920310:39
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): Main motivation seems to be his personal annoyance at "panic". I just don't get why government and PH officials think it's so important to avoid worry. We need to worry and yes panic to get people to protect themselves and get vaccinated. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/152285990132785561610:49
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): Not sure what happened to Taiwan officials. It was only because they properly "panicked" when WHO was urging useless calm that they were able to eradicate the original strain.Seems we're suffering now from two global waves: Omicron and denial → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/152285990323207782810:58
BrainstormUpdates for Taiwan: +46414 cases, +11 deaths, +130613 tests since a day ago11:00
BrainstormNew from PubMed: Carlo Giovanni Camarda: Heterogeneity in subnational mortality in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic: the case of Belgian districts in 2020 → https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35524287/11:55
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 07MAY22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/ukbmbv/global_covid_cases_for_07may22/13:58
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: SARS-CoV-2 variants do not evolve to promote further escape from MHC-I recognition → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ukcehl/sarscov2_variants_do_not_evolve_to_promote/14:55
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Amid Outrage Over China's Zero Covid Strategy, A Warning From Xi Jinping | 07MAY22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/ukdrse/amid_outrage_over_chinas_zero_covid_strategy_a/15:55
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (@VirusesImmunity): PS. We are now testing the omicron variants. Will be adding data as they emerge. Thanks! → https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/152293948661468364816:06
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Reflecting the immune escape features of Omicron and its subvariants, relative lack of sensitivity to monoclonal antibody therapy neutralization. BA.2.12.1 (soon to be US dominant) is more resistant than BA.2, especially to Cilgavimabcell.com/cell-host-micr… [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/152294060288260505616:15
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD FlozinatorInChief (@ChristosArgyrop): As a cat person, I strongly approve of the message that "dogs cause lockdown associated, AAV induced fulminant pediatric maskohepatitis". It is still BS though → https://twitter.com/ChristosArgyrop/status/152295331717279744017:03
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): SARS-COV-2 VOCs do not evolve to further escape from CD8 T cells via HLA1 downregulation. But the virus has several ways of attempting this; yet NK cells will limit this immune evasion strategy. But VOCs do suppress innate responses via IFN1 inhibition to avoid [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/152296188444145254517:32
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +60412 cases, +140 deaths since 23 hours ago18:06
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Long COVID: Viral infection may persist in gut for up to 7 months → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/ukgheo/long_covid_viral_infection_may_persist_in_gut_for/18:11
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countriesIn many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalitieseconomist.com/graphic-detail… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/152297302974308352018:20
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: The Japanese Samurai Code of BUSHIDO showed me the key to living with virtue and character → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/ukgyhn/the_japanese_samurai_code_of_bushido_showed_me/18:39
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): Clear signs of 5th wave in SA, the positivity ratio is as high as the previous 4 waves! Please take care and do not be fooled that a new variant is needed to cause a new wave,  Omicron BA.4 and BA.5 are antigenic distinct from BA.1 as other variants were from [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/152298284848288153618:59
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): @cptwei Must follow @cptwei's daily charts of cases and deaths per capita for Taiwan vs recent NZ and HK Omicron waves. As of today, Taiwan deaths are between NZ and HK at an equivalent time in their waves, expected from 98/72/25% seniors vaxxed in [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/152298548308878950519:08
BrainstormUpdates for Italy: +40783 cases, +113 deaths, +305563 tests since a day ago — Canada: +4612 cases, +33 deaths since 22 hours ago19:09
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): Feeding the slow update are certain authorities actively constructing a myth of a well-protected Taiwan using bad math. No way Taiwan can dodge the same fate as the US when >75yo are less vaccinated. Such disinformation should be a career-ending [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/152298953024402636919:27
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): More vax on way. If doses are limiting Taiwan should issue an order against unmasked gatherings for 2 weeks. Otherwise Omicron will peak (in 2 weeks) before these new doses can be administered and take effecttwitter.com/Focus_Taiwan/s… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/152298953192166604919:37
BrainstormUpdates for Japan: +39228 cases, +27 deaths since 23 hours ago — Chile: +3322 cases, +15 deaths since 20 hours ago19:59
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Longitudinal analysis reveals elevation then sustained higher expression of autoantibodies for six months after SARS-CoV-2 infection → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ukj6hn/longitudinal_analysis_reveals_elevation_then/21:31
BrainstormUpdates for France: +37958 cases, +62 deaths since a day ago22:11
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Post-acute health care burden after SARS-CoV-2 infection: A retrospective cohort study among 530,892 adults → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ukktor/postacute_health_care_burden_after_sarscov2/22:39
BrainstormNew from StatNews: STAT+: Covid shots made Moderna biotech’s biggest star, but what now?: Moderna is poised to make strides in mRNA vaccines for diseases ranging from flu to HIV to cancer. But scientific and economic hurdles make success far from guaranteed. → https://www.statnews.com/2022/05/07/covid-shots-made-moderna-biotechs-biggest-star-but-what-now/22:58
BrainstormUpdates for Israel: +2488 cases since 23 hours ago — Mali: +20 cases since 23 hours ago23:07

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