libera/##covid-19/ Sunday, 2022-06-19

BrainstormUpdates for Bahrain: +1383 cases since 20 hours ago — Ethiopia: +851 cases since a day ago00:05
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): A Empty Niels! Don't want to think!Not wanting to know that a weakened virus vaccine such as MMR = virus: virus enters body; release RNA into our cells; our cells make viral protein: immune responseC19 = fat globule, no virus needed anymore: rest [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153828159992153292800:13
BrainstormUpdates for India: +11703 cases since 17 hours ago — Malaysia: +2127 cases, +1 deaths, +41461 tests since a day ago — Morocco: +1956 cases, +1 deaths, +11322 tests since a day ago01:01
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Come on then: How can B1 recognize produced IgM SARS-CoV-2? Do you ever tie it? And if so, does it do what? Can it clear up the virus? How can it be better than B2 produced IgA and IgG after affinity maturation and SHM.You can probably explain that. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153829707039374131201:10
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Indeed! Come on then: How can B1 recognize produced IgM SARS-CoV-2? Do you ever tie it? And if so, does it do what? Can it clear up the virus? How can it be better than B2 produced IgA and IgG after affinity maturation and SHM.You can probably [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153829936337770086401:20
AsakoLjL: maybe you need some bird virus feeds01:22
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Oh?How can B1 recognize IgM SARS-CoV-2 produced? Do you ever tie it? And if so, does it do what? Can it clear up the virus? How can it be better than B2 produced IgA and IgG after affinity maturation and SHM.You can probably explain that. I'm [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153830096049316249701:29
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Come on then: How can B1 recognize produced IgM SARS-CoV-2? Do you ever tie it? And if so, does it do what? Can it clear up the virus? How can it be better than B2 produced IgA and IgG after affinity maturation and SHM.You can probably explain that. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153830423928550605001:39
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Come on then: How can B1 recognize produced IgM SARS-CoV-2? Do you ever tie it? And if so, does it do what? Can it clear up the virus? How can it be better than B2 produced IgA and IgG after affinity maturation and SHM.You can probably explain that. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153830516520751923401:48
BrainstormUpdates for Nigeria: +106 cases since a day ago02:04
BrainstormUpdates for Panama: +2053 cases, +1 deaths, +20429 tests since a day ago — Peru: +1489 cases, +8 deaths, +27166 tests since 18 hours ago — Slovakia: +255 cases since 23 hours ago — Cabo Verde: +221 cases since 21 hours ago03:00
BrainstormUpdates for Mexico: +9642 cases, +39 deaths, +20474 tests since a day ago05:06
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Outcomes of SARS-CoV-2 Reinfection → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/vflxtp/outcomes_of_sarscov2_reinfection/05:17
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +2 cases since a day ago06:08
BrainstormNew from This Week In Virology: TWiV 911: Antibody can get vaccinated now: TWiV provides an update on hepatitis of unknown etiology in children, an experimental nanoparticle vaccine for Epstein-Barr virus, and minimal impact of bamlanivimab therapy on antiviral antibodies induced by vaccination. → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-911/06:14
BrainstormNew from Science-Based Medicine: Was the Delta Variant   for Children?: Maybe this year, sheltered doctors will realize that variants with the potential to hospitalize and kill children can't just be brushed away with   and that sarcastic requests to wait "2 weeks " rarely age well. The post  first appeared on Science-Based [... want %more?] → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/lolfunny/07:02
BrainstormUpdates for Japan: +12395 cases, +4 deaths, +61695 tests since 11 hours ago — Pakistan: +146 cases, +11663 tests since 21 hours ago07:11
BrainstormUpdates for Lombardy, Italy: +5298 cases, +7 deaths since a day ago — Lazio, Italy: +5157 cases, +5 deaths since a day ago — Veneto, Italy: +4419 cases, +1 deaths since a day ago — Campania, Italy: +3383 cases, +11 deaths since a day ago08:08
-Bridgestorm- 🗾 地震! Earthquake! 6.1 M tremor, registered by yurekuru, occurred 2 minutes ago (06:08:07 UTC), during daytime, Suzu, Japan (37.5, 137.3), ↓15 km likely felt 290 km away (in 珠洲市, 能登町, 富山市, 輪島市, 七尾市, 高岡市…) by 1.4 million people with 9 nearby reactors with maximum intensity Shindo 6+ → https://twitter.com/yurekuru/status/1538403298096873472 (Twitter)08:11
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: In utero SARS-CoV-2 exposure tied to neurodevelopmental sequelae → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/vfow8w/in_utero_sarscov2_exposure_tied_to/08:27
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | June 19, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/vfpfj9/daily_discussion_thread_june_19_2022/09:05
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Artemisia Extracts and Artemisinin-Based Antimalarials for COVID-19 Management: Could These Be Effective Antivirals for COVID-19 Treatment? → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/vfpkwy/artemisia_extracts_and_artemisininbased/09:15
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): Wasn't just CDC; a certain famous virologist said the same. Seemed policymakers were so bedazzled by trial results they forgot that immune responses waneHence dropping masks and variant vaxxes in favor of July 4 2021 COVID freedom bashWonder why [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/153842381625001984209:33
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): And famous PH official, now COVID19 czar (the "largely true" part is largely untrue): pic.twitter.com/kSlLlkohd6 → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/153842650692539596809:43
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): But yes, if you replace a COVID19 czar who doesn't understand immunology with a COVID19 czar who doesn't understand immunology, you are still going to make COVID19 policies that don't account for immunology → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/153842841051859353609:53
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): But yes, if you replace a COVID19 czar who doesn't understand immunology with a COVID19 czar who doesn't understand immunology, you'll continue making COVID19 policy that doesn't consider immunology → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/153842927848364441610:02
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Long-term sequelae following previous coronavirus epidemics → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/vfqbor/longterm_sequelae_following_previous_coronavirus/10:12
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Weekly COVID-19 cases jump again in North Dakota; risk increases in Burleigh-Morton → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/vfr48w/weekly_covid19_cases_jump_again_in_north_dakota/11:10
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): If you really don't know anything. and wants to show the world...This one doesn't understand that Delta and Omicron are 1000x faster. The soulless thinks it's better not to protect people even when the solution is so easy and available. pic.twitter.com/3kaughY9Si → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153845128143776564011:29
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Where 2 vaccinations against Wt and Alpha are sufficient, it is better (prevents deaths and serious illnesses!) to make more memory B and TY cells with n 3rd. This ensures more antibodies from the entire repertoire + faster reaction! And that works [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153845128383690752611:39
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): Great idea to get a booster before a wave of BA.4/5 as this drives hospitalization down. So far, bigger BA.2 waves slowing down BA.4/5 wave and hopefully we see even lower hospitalization than Portugal or SA. twitter.com/twenseleers/st… → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/153847787190745907213:14
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): 19/06/22 - ZOE COVID-19 Study Update: 2,072,282 people are currently predicted to have symptomatic COVID-19 in the UK, up by 69,564. Yesterday was 2,002,718 (+3%) and last Sunday was 1,668,688 (+24%). → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/vft6gz/190622_zoe_covid19_study_update/13:33
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: CDC Panel Recommends mRNA Vaccines in Children 6 Months Through 5 years of Age: The CDC director endorsed the vote, and vaccines could be available to this young pediatric population by later this week. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/cdc-panel-recommends-mrna-vaccines-in-children-6-months-through-5-years-of-age13:42
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Modeling of waning immunity after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination and influencing factors → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/vftl2z/modeling_of_waning_immunity_after_sarscov2/14:01
BrainstormUpdates for UAE: +1489 cases, +1 deaths, +324266 tests since a day ago — Philippines: +612 cases, +20052 tests since a day ago — Malta: +315 cases, +1315 tests since a day ago14:05
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Luc Matter (@madmatter07): @PostvanFenna @WybrenvanHaga Already read. And now? Your whining about babies reminds me of a discussion about why it is good to vaccinate against measles. To save 1:24,000 young children potentially a death from complex meningitis. Hundreds of [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/madmatter07/status/153849775852867584114:39
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): By the way, I thought I'd buy myself one of those too, because at the moment I suffer from hay fever. Anyway, I will unblock Maarten. But may I ask you to campaign on your own timeline for your preferred solution to the Covid pandemic? → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/153850531723501158414:58
BrainstormNew from StatNews: First Opinion: Opinion: Never forget that early vaccines came from testing on enslaved people → https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/19/never-forget-that-early-vaccines-came-from-testing-on-enslaved-people/15:08
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 19JUN22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/vfuu87/global_covid_cases_for_19jun22/15:18
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Jay Hancock (@jayhancock1): Omicron case fatality rate of 9.5% in Portugal in patients 80 years old or more who had not been vaccinated. Omicron is NOT harmless. twitter.com/MarcGozlan/sta… → https://twitter.com/jayhancock1/status/153851915347215564815:56
BrainstormUpdates for Saudi Arabia: +930 cases, +3 deaths since 23 hours ago — Qatar: +558 cases since a day ago16:04
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Covid2019: CLUES TO LONG COVID Scientists strive to unravel what is driving disabling symptoms: Tiny blood clots; Persistant Virus; Haywire immune system → https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid2019/comments/vfw35x/clues_to_long_covid_scientists_strive_to_unravel/16:15
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: COVID-19 increases risk of psychiatric diagnoses in the months after infection, compared with people who had other types of respiratory tract infections. | Oregon State University → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/vfwn9f/covid19_increases_risk_of_psychiatric_diagnoses/16:53
BrainstormUpdates for Bangladesh: +596 cases, +8074 tests since a day ago17:07
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: Infectious Disease Vaccines: 5 Important Updates: Studies, advances, and authorizations continue in this paramount area within infectious disease. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/infectious-disease-vaccines-5-important-updates17:41
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tulio de Oliveira (@Tuliodna): Great meeting today with Prof Amilcar Tanuri from UFRJ. Thanks Tanuri to make time to met on a Sunday to develop bilateral collaboration on epidemics with Brazil. pic.twitter.com/Kh5j1uG8HV → https://twitter.com/Tuliodna/status/153854725805612237717:51
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated)    Mrs. Dieren_Doc      (@Dieren_Doc): @BriemenV @Marc_Veld @lbvso A very large-scale study shows that more than 80% of ASD is congenital. Environmental factors obviously influence the outcome. However, vaccination is not a cause of autism, the rest remains a gray [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Dieren_Doc/status/153854937773154304018:01
BrainstormUpdates for Italy: +34255 cases, +18 deaths, +160211 tests since 22 hours ago18:03
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): How the pandemic is catalyzing innovations1. nature.com/articles/s4159… @NatureMedicine 2. erictopol.substack.com/p/the-bright-s…3. ft.com/content/12ef99… pic.twitter.com/U8xnQc8JoC → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/153855584482387968018:21
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: USPS Free COVID Home Tests (Set of 8 tests) + Free Delivery → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/vfz214/usps_free_covid_home_tests_set_of_8_tests_free/19:09
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Benjy Renton (@bhrenton): Agreed with @ScottGottliebMD in that low vaccination rates among kids already eligible is still a concern. As we proceed into this next phase of the vaccination program, we should have a new push to vaccinate all children in a family. twitter.com/facethenation/… → https://twitter.com/bhrenton/status/153856618910596300819:18
BrainstormNew from CDC (old): Coronavirus [CoV]: COVID-19 Travel Recommendations by Country → https://tools.cdc.gov/api/embed/downloader/download.asp20:07
LjLtoday italy has 19% positive rate20:08
LjLit's climbing like crazy, although the case count doesn't clearly show it given the small number of tests20:09
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): PSA for dads in Palo Alto / Silicon Valley / San Jose:Might want to take those special Father's Day meals outdoors, or at home, unless you want a side-dish of COVID19 as well.Could be especially relevant if you're planning summer travel or family [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/153858532493418086420:17
de-factoLjL, also BA.5 or BA.4?20:17
de-factoafaik its BA.5 in Germany20:17
LjLi have no idea, outbreak.info doesn't make a distinction20:18
LjL%tr Covid. Iss: “Aumenta diffusione Omicron Ba.5 che sale al 23% e della Ba.4 che tocca l’11%”20:19
BrainstormLjL, Italian to English: Covid. Iss: "Omicron Ba.5 diffusion increases to 23% and Ba.4 which reaches 11%" (Google: 18%) — Covid. Iss: "Omicron Ba.5 diffusion increases to 23% and Ba.4 diffusion increases to 11%" (MyMemory: 16%) — Covid. iss: “Augmentation omicron Ba.5 rising to 23% and Ba.4 reaching 11%” (LibreTranslate: 11%)20:19
LjLhttp://www.quotidianosanita.it/studi-e-analisi/articolo.php?articolo_id=105625 has more data20:20
de-factopossibly BA.5 may have some increased capacity to infect lung cells again, it shares some mutations with Delta20:20
LjLi've heard20:21
LjLjoy20:21
de-factoe.g. S:L452R20:21
de-factohttps://covariants.org/shared-mutations20:22
Timvdede-facto: oooh, no, that's not the news I wanted to hear20:28
de-factoin Germany it looks like a new (summer) wave is starting (look at the incidence) and it seems its driven by SARS-CoV-2-VoC Omicron BA.5 that takes over BA.2 very quickly20:29
de-factohttps://imgur.com/a/W9KcMeK20:29
de-facto%title20:29
Brainstormde-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: Incidence and SARS-CoV-2-VoCs - Album on Imgur20:29
de-factoLjL, looks quite similar in Germany and Italy then i guess?20:32
LjLi don't know if our sequencing is abundant and timely enough to mean anything20:33
LjLi only care that it *does* mean BA.4 and BA.5 are quite present20:34
de-factoafaik they are also the ones causing problems in Portugal20:34
LjLwhat problems are occurring in portugal20:35
de-factoseems they got a small peak but are back to R~1 again?20:36
de-factoi am not sure if they have seen increased severity compared to BA.220:36
de-factoBA.5 is the variant "22B" (blue https://covariants.org/variants/22B.Omicron ) in here https://covariants.org/per-country20:38
de-factoBA.5 contribution to all incidence seems to *double* each week in Germany while overal incidence is rising20:42
de-factofrom week 17 of 2022 *weekly* contributions from BA.5 to all infections in Germany are: 0.6%, 1.2%, 2.5%, 5.1%, 11.5%, 23.7%, ...20:45
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Scott Gottlieb, MD (@ScottGottliebMD): COVID is novel and pathogenic virus. Most kids will have mild course and recover fine from acute illness. But we should show humility that we don’t know it’s long term implications. Letting an entire generation of kids get infected, with no [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/153859312438946611320:45
de-factofor BA.4 from week 17 of 2022 *weekly* contributions from BA.4 to all infections in Germany are: 0.1%, 0.3%, 0.7%, 1.2%, 2.2%, 4.2%, ...20:49
de-factoso it looks like contributions from both, BA.4 and BA.5, double each week in Germany20:51
de-factohospitalizations expected to rise again20:51
de-factoalmost 2 out of each 5 PCR tests come back positive20:53
de-factoRt ~ 1.420:54
de-factothats NOT good :(20:54
de-factomostly in the young age group 25-29 is the peak age of incidence distributions20:55
de-factoincidence seems to not only have a temporal but also spacial diffusion gradient going from north-west to south-east of Germany, e.g. old federal states got more incidence than new20:56
de-factoprobably holiday related as we do know already whom to blame for all this mess: the traveling tourists.20:57
LjLdunno what to think of this article, a bit of yes but mostly not-seeming? https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/06/long-covid-chronic-illness-disability/661285/21:15
de-factowell long COVID definitely will be a widespread long lasting issue for a very significant part of populations21:19
de-factoby far more people will be affected by long COVID than e.g. having a fatal or severe disease trajectory21:20
de-factohence the importance to not ignore long COVID21:20
eckspretty sure everyone is ignoring covid, let alone long covid21:45
de-factowell that is a significant part of the problem why we soon will see increasing hospitalizations and increasing rates of longterm health damage by long COVID21:56
de-factoin Germany both infections and hospital bed occupations are rising21:57
de-factohttps://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen21:57
de-factoi wonder how long it will take people to realize that COVID will not go away just by ignoring it21:57
de-factosure, its nothing we wish for, hence we should try to AVOID infections instead of ignoring their impact21:58
ecksdon't think we'll ever get any sort of restrictions back unless an overwhelmed hospital system is looming again21:59
darsieIn Austria we no longer need masks in supermarkets. Dunno about public transport, I think we do, there.22:03
de-factoecks, wait for the fall, now even in the summer we see a wave of increasing infections and hospitalizations, it will get MUCH worse in the fall and winter22:06
ecksdoubtful it will be anything like the earlier peaks22:06
de-factothats what we heard every year now yet it never was real when the new winter mutant was imported22:07
ecksin Sweden we had around 100 ICU patients at the January-February peak this year, compared to 400-500 during the earlier peaks22:09
de-factoi mean sure, maybe we are lucky and it just will be a mild mutant, but it would be naive to build upon such an assumption as mutations are random, hence as well the mutant also can be worse than Omicron22:10
ecksdon't think we'll see the latter numbers again22:10
de-factowell as you said if the prevalent assumption is that "COVID is over" hence no restrictions in place and people not taking precautions to prevent infections, dont you think that could significantly increase reproduction?22:11
ecksto be fair, we didn't have a lot of restrictions here in January-February either22:12
de-factookay well maybe Sweden is a bit different in that then, educating people to act more responsible and prevent infections by themselves without mandatory restrictions, all i can say that right now here in Germany restrictions are taken back and people act a if they would not care about COVID anymore22:14
de-factohence the increase in both infections and hospitalizations is not really surprising22:14
ecksI think the last restrictions were lifted in early and mid-March in Sweden and Finland respectively and since then everyone me included has been living like normal22:15
eckslooking at a record summer in terms of travel22:15
ecksat least ICU occupation has not seen any sort of increasing trend22:15
de-factoits that opposing attitude to mandatory cutting transmission pathways that prevents the less intelligent individuals from realizing that they dont do that for the state or government but for themselves, their families and community22:15
de-factoICU occupation was falling in Germany too, until... BA.4 and BA.5 was imported22:16
de-factowell and until wearing masks became a lot less popular22:17
de-factobefore almost 100% of people were wearing FFP2 masks in stores, now its maybe like 10% or less22:17
de-factonot sure about public transport as i dont use that at all22:17
eckslol we were rounding a potentially covid19-positive patient with surgical masks on friday22:17
de-factoproblem is that if masks are not mandatory anymore people begin to feel rebellious (against whom though?) and stop wearing masks and protect themselves22:19
de-factook in Sweden infections and reproduction goes down since May, are numbers representative of real incidence though?22:22
de-factoe.g. do people register with testing or not caring anymore?22:22
eckswe only test (a) hospital admissions/other relevant patients (b) healthcare workers (c) long-term nursing home residents and personnel22:23
de-factooh so normal population is not represented in incidence numbers anymore?22:24
ecksno, there has not been any large-scale testing since January I believe22:25
de-factothough looking at incidence in sweden, its very low but slightly rising since 1st of June22:27
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Neutralising antibodies predict protection from severe COVID-19Not a surprise, but good to confirm in a metaanalysis of 15 studies.medrxiv.org/content/10.110… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153861832964820992322:30
de-facto%title https://imgur.com/a/zeB21Td especially visible on log plot incidence rises in sweden since 1st of June 202222:30
Brainstormde-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Sweden: Incidence - Album on Imgur22:30

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