| LjL-Matrix | I was actually allowed to choose my booster | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| LjL-Matrix | It was a Moderna day | 00:00 |
| Timvde | I'm not sure what I would choose if I could | 00:00 |
| LjL-Matrix | But the doctor said, I see you've always had Pfizer, we're doing Moderna today, but we do have some Pfizer, so I'll leave it up to you | 00:00 |
| Timvde | I guess Moderna has served me well, I was barely sick | 00:00 |
| de-facto | SpO2 98%, BP 147/81 Torr, P77bpm, T36.9°C | 00:01 |
| LjL-Matrix | I said Pfizer had given me no trouble at all so let's have another Pfizer/BNT | 00:01 |
| Timvde | LjL-Matrix: so what did you get? | 00:01 |
| Timvde | Yea, and that too | 00:01 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: why is your blood pressure breaking the glass | 00:01 |
| Timvde | Never got sick from Moderna | 00:01 |
| de-facto | its always like that :D | 00:01 |
| de-facto | those are completely normal values for me | 00:02 |
| LjL-Matrix | Timvde: OTOH there are arguments that "mixing is better", so let's just have whatever we get, IMO, unless we know of some specific issue we are not comfortable with | 00:02 |
| Timvde | It would be a different vaccine anyway | 00:02 |
| LjL-Matrix | Timvde: a lot remains similar... Just the RNA sequence changes, and we're used to thinking these vaccines are just a bundle of mRNA, but really all the other stuff in them could make quite a difference | 00:03 |
| de-facto | well the lipids in the nanoparticles are also a tiny bit different | 00:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | BTW didn't Moderna sue Pfizer/BNT over vaccine technology in some news I saw... say a month ago? Anyone read anything more about that? | 00:04 |
| Timvde | LjL-Matrix: the RNA sequence is the main part, no? :p | 00:04 |
| de-facto | so in case (i dont know if that happens) your immune system is primed against one kind of lipids, maybe the other (unknown) kind of lipid nano particles may have a better chance of intruding your cells to instruct them to build the spike protein with the mRNA? | 00:05 |
| de-facto | not sure if that is the case though | 00:05 |
| de-facto | just an idea | 00:05 |
| LjL-Matrix | Timvde: the tires are not the main part of my car, I even change them out every winter/summer. The engine is the main part, arguably the electronic controller these days. So a tire is just a humble piece of rubber. Bjt if my tire explodes... | 00:06 |
| de-facto | i guess in reality it does not matter too much at all, it would be more important to get the bivalent vaccine before the winter wave | 00:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | Yes, I would like that. Maybe Lombardy will fix their site within next month or so... | 00:06 |
| de-facto | and here in Germany i can tell from own experience (and interestingly from a lot of friends experiences too, independent of my own case) that right now the wave seems to have started for the winter | 00:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | It feels so ridiculously wasteful that each region has to do their own vaccine platform | 00:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | But the IT companies are probably very happy | 00:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | Yeah, here too, definitely started :( | 00:07 |
| de-facto | i suspect we currently got a lot more cases than reflected in the official stats (as for example I put a LOT of effort into forcing them to get me in the official stats, not sure how many of the other people would do the same) | 00:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | Last week's peak was like 22k, this week it's 44k | 00:08 |
| de-facto | yes | 00:08 |
| de-facto | i guess it will be a big wave | 00:08 |
| de-facto | not sure about its severity | 00:08 |
| de-facto | here in Germany it mostly consists of some derivative from BA:5 | 00:09 |
| de-facto | %title https://imgur.com/a/XbAT6ZS | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: VoCs - Album on Imgur | 00:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto, look at least CoronaWarnApp works at all. Maybe you haven't been able to put in your result yet, but their numbers show it's "catching" a substantial amount of cases. But here? Sorry, but at this point I have recently uninstalled Immuni. It consumed battery and, *based on their very own numbers*, it was utterly useless | 00:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | I've gave it more than a fair try | 00:09 |
| Timvde | I'm very curious as well | 00:10 |
| Timvde | I expect a big wave of infections, but the other numbers may stay low-ish | 00:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | I've never had a risk notification | 00:10 |
| de-facto | i run CoronaWarnApp since one hour after it was published without break | 00:10 |
| Timvde | At least I hope so | 00:10 |
| Timvde | LjL-Matrix: me neither, but people around me got one when I submitted it, so I guess it works | 00:10 |
| Timvde | de-facto: we are told to disable it for two weeks when we are positive (after uploading our test result) | 00:11 |
| de-facto | i had several risk notifications, especially when traveling | 00:11 |
| LjL-Matrix | Timvde: but from the start, people were complaining that the ones administering the tests didn't know or care how to give you a code to register yourself as positive, even if you insisted. Imagine not insisting... | 00:11 |
| de-facto | not so this time though, it was all green and me unaware where i got it from, so the sore throat was the first sign of something wrong, hence my testing | 00:12 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: yes I know, and again I'm unsurprising given the difference in numbers with Immuni | 00:12 |
| Timvde | We got the code immediately when registering for the test, even before taking it | 00:12 |
| Timvde | We also received the test result in the app (although it was late, so not very useful if you were also checking other places) | 00:12 |
| de-facto | i mean for example me, i am trying hard to get the CWA armed to mark its beacons as infectious for other people | 00:12 |
| de-facto | so far unable to activate it, because of "computer problems" in the pipeline of the PCR test company | 00:13 |
| LjL-Matrix | But come on, nobody can say it doesn't work because people don't use it so I'm part of the problem... I've used it from the start until now, now I've just decided it's useless and ridiculous to continue given the complete lack of adoption. And the government never mentioned it anymore, it wasn't on TV ads, basically nobody cared. | 00:13 |
| de-facto | after that long time they still have not squeezed out all the bugs | 00:13 |
| de-facto | and by no means am i a special case, just one that wont accept them failing like that | 00:13 |
| LjL-Matrix | Timvde: Remember the difference with here next time Belgium seems like it's inefficient ;) | 00:14 |
| Timvde | LjL-Matrix: oh, nobody uses it here either | 00:14 |
| Timvde | So it doesn't really make a difference :P | 00:14 |
| Timvde | Also, I fear we may not have a Belgium anymore in a couple of years :) | 00:15 |
| Timvde | The right-wing, separatist parties are gaining in Flanders | 00:15 |
| LjL-Matrix | Hmm | 00:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | That's awful | 00:17 |
| LjL-Matrix | We'll have to learn new country names | 00:17 |
| LjL-Matrix | Who even knows Walloonia? People will laugh | 00:17 |
| LjL-Matrix | Flanders, we know Ned | 00:17 |
| Timvde | The thing is, it's totally like with Brexit, people don't know what they vote for | 00:17 |
| Timvde | Or they vote for the parties for other reasons | 00:18 |
| Timvde | Like "I'm a racist piece of shit" | 00:18 |
| LjL-Matrix | Ahem | 00:18 |
| * LjL-Matrix reminds Timvde who his country just elected | 00:18 | |
| Timvde | Who? | 00:19 |
| Timvde | I don't know what you are referring :P | 00:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | Fascists | 00:19 |
| Timvde | Oh, your country | 00:19 |
| Timvde | Yea... :/ | 00:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | Well I don't own it but yes | 00:19 |
| Timvde | "his" was ambiguous, sorry :P | 00:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | English's fault | 00:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | Would have been fine in Swedish | 00:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | Or Flemish I suspect | 00:20 |
| Timvde | Nope, same problem here | 00:21 |
| LjL-Matrix | Also known as "Racist Dutch" | 00:21 |
| Timvde | Wait, what? | 00:21 |
| Timvde | I never heard anyone say that | 00:21 |
| Timvde | Also, Dutch is just Flemish with an awful accent | 00:21 |
| * LjL-Matrix shuts up | 00:21 | |
| LjL-Matrix | Anyway in Swedish it would be "LjL ... sin land" (his own country) vs "LjL ... Hans land" (Hans's country. No I'm kidding, just the other guy's country) | 00:23 |
| LjL-Matrix | Except, sitt land, cause it's neuter -.- | 00:23 |
| * LjL-Matrix failzor | 00:23 | |
| Timvde | You know way too many languages | 00:24 |
| LjL-Matrix | I only know Italian, written English and awful Swedish | 00:25 |
| Timvde | You have a notion of more languages, you once said something about Dutch | 00:26 |
| LjL-Matrix | Notions, yes | 00:26 |
| LjL-Matrix | Maar ik praat niet nederlands | 00:26 |
| Timvde | See, that's very close to being correct | 00:27 |
| LjL-Matrix | Geen nederlands? | 00:27 |
| Timvde | Yes | 00:27 |
| Timvde | Don't ask me for the rule | 00:27 |
| LjL-Matrix | I knew it, it's just German in disguise | 00:27 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: ATTACK! | 00:27 |
| * LjL-Matrix sprichts kein Deutch, oder Diets | 00:28 | |
| LjL-Matrix | Spritz | 00:28 |
| Timvde | I *think* it's "geen" when it's either "niet een" or an indefinite noun (in this case) | 00:28 |
| LjL-Matrix | You can say "I speak no Dutch" in English after all | 00:29 |
| LjL-Matrix | They just make it compulsory to | 00:29 |
| LjL-Matrix | Although I think you lose a nuance... | 00:29 |
| LjL-Matrix | Saying you speak no Dutch is saying you don't even know a single word | 00:30 |
| LjL-Matrix | "I don't speak Dutch" doesn't necessarily imply that | 00:30 |
| de-facto | when are you going to get your shot LjL-Matrix ? | 00:30 |
| Timvde | de-facto: when he can book it :P | 00:30 |
| de-facto | that always was the problem for me too | 00:31 |
| LjL-Matrix | Right now the site is positively kafkian | 00:31 |
| de-facto | i even heard that people would employ python bots for ... uhm | 00:31 |
| LjL-Matrix | I'll check tomorrow but I suspect they won't be fixing it on a Sunday | 00:31 |
| LjL-Matrix | Shush | 00:31 |
| de-facto | that lead to them using a two stage website with sms verification in the last vaccine campagin here | 00:32 |
| LjL-Matrix | "To continue, prove you are a human with your brain capacity unaffected by COVID. Solve this integral:" | 00:33 |
| de-facto | i actually was lucky to get my vaccine before Christmas in 2021, by checking the website manually at night and directly booking a free slot, even when it was not in my city | 00:33 |
| de-facto | i had to travel for a bit to reach the location, it was a small village outside of the city, they improvised a vaccination center in their sport club there | 00:34 |
| LjL-Matrix | Well right now my problem isn't that I can't spot a free slot, the site is just patently broken | 00:34 |
| de-facto | i was quite happy, despite having to travel there for an hour (and later back for another hour), because all the slots for vaccinations in my city were full | 00:34 |
| Timvde | That sucks | 00:34 |
| Timvde | I delayed mine with two weeks so I didn't have to drive 10 minutes | 00:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | It says my number is invalid and I can "request activation" but I know that page is for special categories, and if everyone floods them with that form it'll be even worse | 00:35 |
| de-facto | well i was vaccinated when i visited my parents at Christmas, so i guess mission accomplished in that regard | 00:35 |
| Timvde | The vaccination centre moved, it's a 5 minute walk now | 00:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | Timvde: maybe you can move it back if a slot frees up? | 00:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | Wait you mean past one | 00:36 |
| Timvde | Why would I have to move it? | 00:36 |
| LjL-Matrix | See I can't even speak English | 00:36 |
| Timvde | It's much closer at the new location | 00:36 |
| Timvde | I got my invitation three weeks ago already, but I waited | 00:36 |
| LjL-Matrix | Mine is... a 3 minute walk :p | 00:36 |
| Timvde | (also because I had COVID in the beginning of July and I wanted to wait 3 full months) | 00:36 |
| de-facto | in Austria it seems they are already giving out BioNTech/Pfizer bivalent shots with BA.5 signatures | 00:36 |
| Timvde | Damn it, it's a 5 minute walk for me, you win :( | 00:36 |
| Timvde | Oh no, I can actually make an appointment, I win | 00:37 |
| LjL-Matrix | That's probably not a bad idea | 00:37 |
| LjL-Matrix | zing | 00:37 |
| de-facto | I am not sure about Germany, for sure they give bivalent BA.1 shots, not sure if we also got bivalent BA.5 shots | 00:37 |
| Timvde | de-facto: nice, I don't see that happening soon enough | 00:37 |
| de-facto | id guess both are good for preparing for the winter wave though | 00:37 |
| LjL-Matrix | Well I don't have to count how long ago I had COVID because I never had COVID, how about that?! | 00:38 |
| * de-facto coughts in the direction of LjL-Matrix | 00:38 | |
| * LjL-Matrix puts on the emergency Aura | 00:39 | |
| * de-facto gives up | 00:39 | |
| LjL-Matrix | It's an FFP4 special edition | 00:39 |
| de-facto | no chance of getthing through that | 00:40 |
| LjL-Matrix | Oh, the government, before leaving, managed to extend the mask mandate in hospital for another month | 00:41 |
| LjL-Matrix | It's not much but maybe I'll get some visits done | 00:41 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: to say it all, when I uninstalled Immuni, I did install the F-Droid version of CWA. In theory they're interoperable, although I won't be able to put in a positive through CWA if I get one in Italy | 00:53 |
| LjL-Matrix | But then, people aren't able to do that with Immuni either, so screw that, I'll use the F-Droid one | 00:53 |
| de-facto | yeah i am working on that one too still | 00:54 |
| de-facto | in theory its as simple as scanning one QR code | 00:54 |
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| LjL-Matrix | I guess it would be "verification during ticketing"? | 00:56 |
| LjL-Matrix | Although that sounds like a strange translation of something German | 00:56 |
| de-facto | "verification for booking tickets" | 00:57 |
| de-facto | maybe they mean airplane or such | 00:57 |
| LjL-Matrix | Uhm. Then I don't know what's the thing to upload a positive test | 00:58 |
| LjL-Matrix | Ah, yes I do, I'm dumb | 00:58 |
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| LjL-Matrix | You use this term TAN so widely and yet we've never heard it here | 00:59 |
| de-facto | you just scan a test, like i did, but then later on its supposed to show either positive (and mark beacons as contagious) or negative (and allow for a certificate for a limited amount of time, i guess traveling etc) | 00:59 |
| de-facto | for me it says result not available yet (which is a lie since i was able to talk them into emailing it to me) | 01:01 |
| LjL-Matrix | CWA is cool too because it even comes with its mini-tracker, with R value and stuff. Unfortunately though understandably it's only for Germany | 01:01 |
| de-facto | it rather should say "result still stuck in our computer pipeline, we are working on solving the problem" | 01:01 |
| de-facto | yes it shows that, but only in numbers | 01:02 |
| de-facto | id like to see graphs for that :D | 01:02 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: are you sure after it shows positive you don't need to obtain and input a TAN? | 01:02 |
| de-facto | i never had a positive test, and this one... well its stuck | 01:02 |
| de-facto | i dont think its a CWA problem, its the lab | 01:03 |
| de-facto | i will call them next week and tell them how to do their work | 01:03 |
| LjL-Matrix | Poor them | 01:04 |
| de-facto | i hope i will be extra annoying to them until they fix their lab computer pipeline | 01:04 |
| de-facto | they had a week time now | 01:05 |
| LjL-Matrix | At some point during your rant they'll say | 01:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | Oh | 01:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | OH | 01:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | We actually just got the full results of your test in | 01:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | Turns out you have an aggressivized Delta variant | 01:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | So we must send medics now to take you to a secure facility | 01:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | Do not attempt to resist | 01:07 |
| * de-facto hates stuff being broken with the white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns | 01:07 | |
| de-facto | haha yeah as if :D | 01:08 |
| de-facto | its kinda sad that two years into the pandemic testing still is such a pain in terms of organizing the data flow | 01:09 |
| de-facto | as well as why arent there any free tests anymore? | 01:09 |
| de-facto | this should be a fundamental right for citizens, forever | 01:09 |
| de-facto | sure, they have to avoid billing for tests that never happened fraud, but the solution can not be to force citizens to pay with their bank card then | 01:10 |
| de-facto | if i have had no credit or bank card, i could not have paid for the quicktest and therefore could not have gotten tested officially | 01:11 |
| de-facto | thats unacceptable imho | 01:11 |
| LjL-Matrix | Germany and the EU hate cash with a passion... | 01:13 |
| de-facto | well cash also would not allow to prevent fraud | 01:13 |
| de-facto | testing centers were charging the government for many more tests than what they actually have done | 01:14 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: assuming requiring a card is acceptable, why couldn't they just charge a nominal amount? | 01:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Benefit of a 4th Covid vaccine (2nd booster) for protection against BA.5 variant hospitalization across all ages 18+medrxiv.org/content/10.110… @aboutKP @KPSCalResearch @KPSCALnews pic.twitter.com/n9RQcenhxc → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1576349330406981633 | 01:15 |
| de-facto | therefore they changed it, but imho the result should not be to repel people from getting tested | 01:15 |
| LjL-Matrix | 1 euro is one thing, the 15 euro a "rapid" test from a pharmacy costs here is a while nother thing | 01:15 |
| de-facto | testing should be low barrier and free for everyone, easily accessible | 01:15 |
| de-facto | its 10 euro normally, or 3 euro for special reasons (everyone can claim that though) | 01:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | Is Topol still showing "benefits of vaccination" with the vaccine against wild variant? | 01:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: but that's PCR for you? | 01:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | Our 15 euro is for rapid | 01:16 |
| de-facto | rapid | 01:17 |
| de-facto | the 1€ ones | 01:17 |
| LjL-Matrix | Hm | 01:17 |
| de-facto | just verified and with offical email result from that company | 01:17 |
| de-facto | they literally got the same tests that i have at home too | 01:17 |
| LjL-Matrix | Well, if it's any comfort, they were never free here. And they were never €1 in supermarkets either, much more than that. The only free thing was PCR, when it was still a thing. | 01:18 |
| LjL-Matrix | Even the great Guru Draghi didn't somehow give us free tests :p | 01:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | Let's see what the new guys (and gals) will do hahaha | 01:19 |
| de-facto | i just think everyone should have low barrier (as in availability, costs, efforts) access to good testing possibilities | 01:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | xx would like our PM-to-be, she said that obesity is a deviance | 01:20 |
| de-facto | many people otherwise are just ignoring a sore throat and never care about isolating or such | 01:20 |
| de-facto | if people at least know about their contagious potential, they probably stick to the law and isolate | 01:21 |
| LjL-Matrix | Well not in Italy unless they think they'll get caught, but okay I see the point | 01:21 |
| de-facto | surely they would not visit their grandma then or such | 01:22 |
| de-facto | i am just not happy about taking the testing possibilities back | 01:23 |
| de-facto | i understand that fraud is a problem and needs to be addressed, but the result should not be raising the barrier for people to get tested | 01:23 |
| de-facto | thats counterproductive | 01:23 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: when I voted last week, masks were not mandatory anymore. I was the only one wearing it. But worse, my parents said when they went, they saw an old lady (presumably all sorts of vulnerable) with her caretaker. When the lady saw my parents had a mask, a doubt came to her mind, so she asked the caretaker "wait, should we be wearing masks?" and they replied "No, absolutely. The government have said it's not mandatory anymore". | 01:25 |
| LjL-Matrix | To them, "not mandatory anymore" = no reason in the world to wear it | 01:25 |
| LjL-Matrix | That may well have been their grandmother or somesuch relative | 01:26 |
| LjL-Matrix | Clearly they didn't care. Not mandatory? Then no grandma, don't wear it, what, are you crazy? Wearing a mask in a crowded place when you're old and sick, but it's not mandatory? Only Japanese people do that. You wouldn't want people to think you're Japanese, would you? | 01:27 |
| de-facto | LjL-Matrix, it seems in Europe the first winter peak always starts in October, also this year | 01:28 |
| de-facto | https://i.imgur.com/OhgxvlM.jpeg | 01:28 |
| de-facto | LjL-Matrix, yeah its sad that this mindset still exists, masks are for protecting the own body, not for complying with a law | 01:30 |
| de-facto | Greece goes up steeply | 01:30 |
| de-facto | wow | 01:30 |
| LjL-Matrix | No respite :( | 01:32 |
| LjL-Matrix | Italy goes up the slowest? Am I seeing the color rights? | 01:32 |
| LjL-Matrix | I felt like I had a heart attack when I saw 40k vs previous week 20k, felt fast to me | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Vaccines | Free Full-Text | A Case Report: Multifocal Necrotizing Encephalitis and Myocarditis after BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccination against COVID-19 → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/xt9fak/vaccines_free_fulltext_a_case_report_multifocal/ | 01:33 |
| LjL | Again? | 01:35 |
| LjL | I have a feeling we'll see this paper posted OFTEN | 01:36 |
| de-facto | https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-growth-covid-cases | 01:36 |
| LjL | Ah okay so we're the worst as usual, whew | 01:37 |
| LjL | Was starting to worry there | 01:37 |
| de-facto | https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?tab=map&Metric=Reproduction+rate | 01:42 |
| de-facto | all of EU does look bad :( | 01:43 |
| Asako | so would it better to travel in february not january to asia ? | 02:08 |
| de-facto | look at their previous years i guess | 02:19 |
| de-facto | like the time evolution of their waves | 02:19 |
| Klinda | or get it | 02:23 |
| Klinda | what's the problem | 02:23 |
| Klinda | I have like 50 years to live | 02:24 |
| Klinda | imagine don't do anything because of it | 02:24 |
| de-facto | spreading variants is how it continues to form new waves | 02:30 |
| de-facto | hospital admissions due to covid are already rising again | 02:31 |
| de-facto | right now in Germany pretty low (in absolute terms) but increasing still (in relative terms) https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen | 02:33 |
| de-facto | the problem with traveling is not so much getting it, its more about transporting it between continents, importing new variants of concern into a target population | 02:36 |
| Asako | i tend to do long stays, which is safer than sightseeing, but still , guess this winter is no different than previous 2 | 02:47 |
| LjL | de-facto, Timvde: I forgot to tell you this, should outline the situation here... people whose healthcare card was expiring received a new one *without the chip it normally contains*, because they couldn't buy enough chips (or they cost too much). These are the same type of chip you find in a SIM card or a credit card. | 02:59 |
| LjL | %tr <it >en Hai ricevuto una Tessera Sanitaria senza chip? Da alcune settimane le Tessere Sanitarie/Carte Nazionali dei Servizi (TS/CNS) fornite dal Ministero dell'Economia e delle Finanze sono emesse e distribuite in una nuova versione senza microchip, a causa della scarsità internazionale dei materiali necessari per la loro produzione. | 02:59 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: Have you received a health card without a chip? For several weeks, the Health Cards / National Service Cards (TS / CNS) provided by the Ministry of Economy and Finance have been issued and distributed in a new version without microchips, due to the international scarcity of the materials necessary for their production. (Google: 18%) [... want %more?] | 02:59 |
| LjL | Yet, I doubt I would be denied a SIM or a credit card... | 02:59 |
| LjL | so there is a whole page on how to do all the various things when you have a card without the chip | 03:00 |
| LjL | incredible | 03:00 |
| LjL | Spec_, what do you think of the above, are corporation finally taking over from what governments clearly can no longer do (if they cannot issue a card with a standard chip in it)? | 03:03 |
| de-facto | thats crazy because of sanctions? | 03:11 |
| de-facto | we really need to rectify supply chain dependencies for things to be considered essential | 03:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: Fasting as key tone for COVID immunity - In a study published in Nature, Karagiannis et al. show that the ketone body β-hydroxybutyrate (BHB) improves COVID-19 disease outcomes. → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/xtb2hd/fasting_as_key_tone_for_covid_immunity_in_a_study/ | 03:17 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.09.30.22280573v1 | 03:46 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Effectiveness of mRNA-1273 against infection and COVID-19 hospitalization with SARS-CoV-2 Omicron subvariants: BA.1, BA.2, BA.2.12.1, BA.4, and BA.5 | medRxiv | 03:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Jamaica: +102 cases, +3 deaths since a day ago | 04:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 942: Omicron boosters with Paul Offit: Paul Offit returns to TWiV for a discussion of SARS-CoV-2 bivalent boosters containing ancestral and Omicron spike mRNAs, including their composition, why they are being recommended by CDC, and who would benefit the most from them. → https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-942/ | 06:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Viral secrets | 01OCT22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/xtfbeo/viral_secrets_01oct22/ | 06:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +3375 cases, +18 deaths since 23 hours ago | 06:59 |
| Timvde | de-facto: is that the original vaccine or the modified one? | 07:22 |
| Timvde | Ah, I think the original? | 07:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Emilia-Romagna, Italy: +2876 cases, +4 deaths since 23 hours ago — New Jersey, United States: +2435 cases, +6 deaths since 23 hours ago — Selangor, Malaysia: +1455 cases since 23 hours ago — Nizhny Novgorod, Russia: +1361 cases, +3 deaths since 23 hours ago | 08:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | October 02, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/xti0ik/daily_discussion_thread_october_02_2022/ | 09:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Taiwan: +43286 cases, +62 deaths, +56466 tests since 23 hours ago | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Moderna refused China request to reveal vaccine technology, Financial Times reports | 01OCT22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/xtjhi3/moderna_refused_china_request_to_reveal_vaccine/ | 10:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Look, pay attention. Roger is now going to explain, in detail, what is fraudulent about the probe-based qRT-PCR test and what is inappropriate about it. He will substantiate this with quality literature and his extensive knowledge of PCR [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1576494424443748352 | 10:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): In the US 300K more people died than necessary because some had doubts about the safety of the vaccines & didn't get their shot. Vaccine hesitancy is what kills. And if Prasad thinks he is saving lives by feeding into anti-vax sentiment then he is mistaken. → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1576504110504849408 | 11:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Important is that possible NLS: that is in fact the same as the FCS (furin cleavage site) that there was some fuss about. This site has been mutated in the vaccines used to make a more stable Spike protein in an "open" position.nejm.org/doi/full/10.10… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1576506159657549824 | 11:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Attempt 2: next to aftertalker, pictures wap, or movies wap.... it doesn't get any better. Would he know that Mullis died for SARS-CoV-2?Never read the patent either. But an opinion! pic.twitter.com/yuhRJiCyKD → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1576507967478050816 | 11:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Microbes are everywhere. Infectious diseases are still common, especially now that vaccination has become a political game.Infections are natural, but that doesn't mean they are good for you!!twitter.com/Marc_Veld/stat… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1576511304361136128 | 12:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): THAT might entitle you to feel a bit like a lab rat, not having received a well tested vaccine that went through extensive procedures to test their safety & efficacy... → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1576525779680182272 | 12:56 |
| de-facto | Timvde yes mRNA-1273 is Modernas original vaccine containing S-protein signature of Wuhan-Hu-1 | 13:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for China: +4370 cases, +6 deaths since 23 hours ago | 14:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Two inhaled covid vaccines have been approved—but we don’t know yet how good they are → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/xtn4io/two_inhaled_covid_vaccines_have_been_approvedbut/ | 14:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: University of Illinois, IDPH team up to test school wastewater for COVID-19, flu → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/xtn96u/university_of_illinois_idph_team_up_to_test/ | 15:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Global COVID Cases For 02OCT22: Summary As Of: 02OCT @ 12:46 GMT Countries 228 + 2 Cases 623,354,699 Deaths 6,550,424 Recovered 603,204,369 Active Cases 13,599,906 Countries reporting new cases: 51 Countries reporting new deaths: 27 Countries reporting increased Active [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/xtoq42/global_covid_cases_for_02oct22/ | 15:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): When I looked at the data: of course very good agreement between per capita confirmed Covid deaths & excess deaths when analysed by age band. Tiring, the misinformation peddled by these sorts of people. dropbox.com/s/1tmrny2umidb… pic.twitter.com/WTIYYgf8Er → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1576583111332487174 | 16:44 |
| LjL | https://twitter.com/mildanalyst/status/1576236981809713153 apparently this is a flawed idea. imagine good ones, they must be stellar! | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Long COVID symptoms in exposed and infected children, adolescents and their parents one year after SARS-CoV-2 infection: A prospective observational cohort study → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/xtqzd5/long_covid_symptoms_in_exposed_and_infected/ | 17:12 |
| de-facto | whuahahaha this made me roll on the floor https://twitter.com/mildanalyst/status/1544634614618226691 | 17:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Household transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant of concern subvariants BA.1 and BA.2 in Denmark → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/xtrxuu/household_transmission_of_sarscov2_omicron/ | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +28906 cases, +20 deaths, +156359 tests since 22 hours ago | 18:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Peacock (@PeacockFlu): And then an interesting BA.2.75* x BJ.1 (which is itself a BA.2 sublineage - BA.2.10.1.1) recombinant - XBB. Fairly standard looking simple breakpoint recombinant (in spike) but growing faster than any other recombinant currently... pic.twitter.com/XUm7ZI7lag → https://twitter.com/PeacockFlu/status/1576611305829515266 | 18:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Il Sole 24 Ore: (translated) Healthcare, Covid awards arrive for nurses: 175 gross per month more: When fully operational, the contract is worth almost € 1.3 billion, which translates into an average increase of € 175 gross per month → https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/sanita-arrivano-premi-covid-infermieri-175-lordi-mese-piu-AEEBgw4B | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): What does the article show? Yes, mRNA and Spike can still be found. The first with a probe: a very specific way to detect the unique sequence of the mRNA, a probe that is also used in probe-based RT-qPCR. So mRNA is present. Good or bad, and how? → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1576619837220327424 | 19:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): It's an independent replication of the advantage of the 2nd booster across all ages 18+ for reduction of hospitalizations during the BA.5 wave. Significant enhanced protection over 1st booster (following immunity waning period)twitter.com/EricTopol/stat… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1576631632408170496 | 20:04 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.09.21.508818v1 | 20:56 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.biorxiv.org: Exposure to BA.4/BA.5 Spike glycoprotein drives pan-Omicron neutralization in vaccine-experienced humans and mice | bioRxiv | 20:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): A statement along the lines of "this vaccine has just been tested on 8 mice" might also cause many elderly people not to get their shot, despite significant benefits for that group & the vaccine being extremely safe... → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1576646467892060160 | 21:01 |
| de-facto | %title http://sonorouschocolate.com/covid19/index.php/UK_variant_comparison | 21:02 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From sonorouschocolate.com: UK variant comparison - Covid-19 | 21:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mali: +42 cases, +598 tests since 19 hours ago | 21:05 |
| Timvde | de-facto: just double-checking: if I recently (3 months ago) got COVID (likely BA.5 given prevalerence, but not tested), it still makes sense to get the BA.1 booster, right? | 22:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +598 cases, +4 deaths since a day ago | 23:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): The 3-dose VE against hospitalization for BA.1, BA.2, and BA.4/BA.5 was 97.5%, 82.0%, and 72.4%, respectively; 4-dose VE against hospitalization for BA.4/BA.5 was 88.5%. Evaluation of the updated bivalent booster is warranted.Yep, that is the Wuhan vaccine. [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/1576682777013256192 | 23:24 |
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