| agneli | guys what is your view on pine devices? | 07:10 |
|---|---|---|
| adhoc | agneli: some of them are good, some need more work on the user space software (apparently) | 07:13 |
| adhoc | agneli: what are you aiming to do with them ? | 07:13 |
| agneli | the incomming e-ink ;) | 07:32 |
| agneli | my only question is privacy | 07:35 |
| agneli | are the things doing only what is expecting of them or is mr Xi already behind it | 07:35 |
| agneli | in theroy this is Hong-Kong... | 07:37 |
| agneli | but what is the reality? | 07:37 |
| agneli | is there any chip like this minix crap for intel... | 07:38 |
| adhoc | minix? like the teaching operating system? | 07:41 |
| adhoc | given most of our modern processors and silicon is manufactured in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Tiwain and China ... | 07:42 |
| adhoc | in chip back doors are probably no more a risk that any silicon made in the USA. | 07:43 |
| agneli | on every intel based mb you have a small chip containing minix os, that can access everyhting on the main os remotely | 07:45 |
| agneli | without it you cannot even boot the cpu | 07:45 |
| agneli | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#History | 07:46 |
| agneli | https://github.com/intel/INTEL-SA-00075-Linux-Detection-And-Mitigation-Tools | 07:47 |
| agneli | and many other links | 07:47 |
| agneli | lots of big companies are movint to Amd or even m1 | 07:47 |
| agneli | *moving | 07:47 |
| agneli | but anyway... anybody done the comparison of provided schematisc with the real board, please? :) | 07:48 |
| adhoc | ah, I see | 07:55 |
| agneli | i think big chances are it is perfectly ok | 08:13 |
| agneli | so that would be a great great great device | 08:13 |
| agneli | I am a huge fan of e-ink | 08:13 |
| agneli | ok maybe my eyes not directly me ;) | 08:13 |
| adhoc | Ihave been looking foward to a decent eink device | 08:17 |
| agneli | This thing look great | 08:31 |
| agneli | and does not cost €1k like oxbook | 08:32 |
| agneli | +it has linux rather than android | 08:32 |
| Vall | So, I finally got my RPi4 8GB. It boots perfectly with the "official" OS (2021-05-07-raspios-buster-armhf-lite, downloaded from https://www.raspberrypi.org/software/operating-systems/) but *not* with Devuan (devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_arm64_rpi4.img.zip from https://arm-files.devuan.org/). | 12:13 |
| Vall | I have no HDMI monitor (in fact I don't even own one), but what I see when trying to boot with the Devuan image above, is that the green LED blinks a couple of times (for less than about 3 secs) and then everything goes quiet. | 12:14 |
| Vall | I strongly suspect this is because my RPi4 is revision 1.4, which needs specific firmware blobs/dtd/kernel/whatnot which are not in Devuan yet | 12:15 |
| Vall | Can anyone help? | 12:15 |
| Vall | agneli: re: Pine, I analyzed their Rock64 SBC very closely for a specific use here | 12:23 |
| Vall | agneli: great specs and great price, and specially useful for my use case, it was theoretically capable of X265 hardware encoding. | 12:24 |
| Vall | (or at least the manufacturer of its SoC, the RK3328, promised). | 12:24 |
| Vall | But after 3 years of promises, the manufacturer just reneged on them: https://github.com/HermanChen/mpp/issues/7 | 12:27 |
| Vall | So, I just discarded the Rock64 (along with anything with a Rockchip SoC). | 12:29 |
| agneli | thank you Vall | 13:26 |
| agneli | Vall: did you try bootstraping and compiling your own kernel | 13:28 |
| agneli | This is what I am usually doing for my terga thing ;) | 13:28 |
| agneli | idr if I have done it with raspberry... i think so but I am not sure, I am not using my raspberry at all atm | 13:29 |
| Vall | agneli: nope, not yet | 14:09 |
| Vall | AFAIK it's not a matter of kernel only, it has to be coordinated with the correct firmware/binblobs, dtd, etc | 14:10 |
| Vall | And this would be totally above my current level of RPi expertise | 14:11 |
| Vall | agneli: you are welcome, mate -- thank *you* for all the tips and help you afforded me | 14:12 |
| c0rnelius | I don't own that rev of the board, but I don't see why it wouldn't boot? | 14:25 |
| c0rnelius | The firmware boot blobs are pulled from the foundation and the kernel is compiled from foundation sources. | 14:26 |
| c0rnelius | The pi4s also depend on eeprom, but even with an older version of it, I would still expect it to boot. Although be broken in places? Could be wrong though as I can't test it my self. | 14:28 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: "I don't see why it wouldn't boot?" that would make it two of us, mate :-) | 14:35 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: the fact is, it doesn't boot Devuan, but boots RasPIOS perfectly | 14:35 |
| Vall | I've been googling and there was a lot of trouble with v1.4 boards like mine when they were launched. Even RasPIOS had to be updated to run on them | 14:36 |
| Vall | BRB | 14:36 |
| c0rnelius | pull the card and make sure the PARTUUID matches whats in /boot/cmdline.txt | 14:36 |
| c0rnelius | Adam was telling me some of the builds were getting messed up. | 14:36 |
| c0rnelius | The builder used to make the img is - https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder | 14:38 |
| c0rnelius | Although I believe he forked it and also uses some kind of automation to make the imgs. Which the builder really isn't designed for. | 14:38 |
| agneli | Vall: is there any kind of serial console in rpi? I believe it is... do you have any uart handy so you can monitor what is going on there, please? | 15:30 |
| c0rnelius | Tenkawa: What rev of the rpi4 8GB do you have? `dmesg | grep model` | 18:27 |
| Tenkawa | Raspberry Pi 4 Model B Rev 1.4 | 18:29 |
| c0rnelius | ever booted Devuan on it? | 18:34 |
| Tenkawa | I think so yes | 18:35 |
| Tenkawa | I can test it in a little while if needed | 18:36 |
| Tenkawa | this is the argon40 so I can interchange os drives eaesy | 18:36 |
| Tenkawa | er easy | 18:36 |
| c0rnelius | If you would that would be great. thanx. | 18:37 |
| Tenkawa | np.. got a image built? | 18:38 |
| c0rnelius | nopr | 18:38 |
| c0rnelius | nope* | 18:38 |
| c0rnelius | Vall was trying to boot this one. | 18:38 |
| Tenkawa | ook | 18:39 |
| c0rnelius | https://arm-files.devuan.org/ | 18:39 |
| Tenkawa | er ok | 18:39 |
| c0rnelius | It looks like its from March. Kinda old. Not sure if that really matters though at this point. | 18:39 |
| Vall | back | 18:41 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: thanks for the tip re:PARTUUID, will check it right away | 18:41 |
| Tenkawa | yeah I can test this easily | 18:47 |
| Tenkawa | will be a bit before I can do it (30 min or so) | 18:47 |
| c0rnelius | All good. Vall can't get it to boot. I don't have the 8GB so I can't test. | 18:49 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: /boot is empty here, please check whether I messed up something in the verification: https://zerobin.net/?eccc6f2e5597832c#QzuS7oTKZae8TBc+O0v6LMDMbVK0C84PW/Z1NoIQcsc= | 18:50 |
| c0rnelius | Vall: What did you use to write the img? | 18:51 |
| Tenkawa | this image righr? https://arm-files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_arm64_rpi4.img.zip | 18:55 |
| c0rnelius | yes | 18:56 |
| Tenkawa | er right | 18:56 |
| Tenkawa | ok | 18:56 |
| Tenkawa | Vall: if you have linux you should be able to do a fdisk -l on the uncompressed img file and see its partition table | 18:57 |
| c0rnelius | brb, maybe. just upgraded the neo from buster to bullseye. Lets see what I broke :) | 18:57 |
| Tenkawa | I'm getting that file right now to take a look | 18:58 |
| Tenkawa | the dload site is not too fast here | 18:58 |
| Tenkawa | looks good here | 19:02 |
| Tenkawa | Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type | 19:02 |
| Tenkawa | devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_arm64_rpi4.img1 * 2048 524287 522240 255M b W95 FAT32 | 19:02 |
| Tenkawa | devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_arm64_rpi4.img2 524288 3808592 3284305 1.6G 83 Linux | 19:02 |
| Tenkawa | let me mount it | 19:02 |
| Tenkawa | this is boot | 19:04 |
| Tenkawa | ls -l | wc -l | 19:04 |
| Tenkawa | 23 | 19:04 |
| Tenkawa | ls -l *.txt | 19:04 |
| Tenkawa | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 147 Feb 28 11:32 cmdline.txt | 19:04 |
| Tenkawa | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2195 Feb 28 11:32 config.txt | 19:04 |
| Tenkawa | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 203 Feb 28 11:19 rename_to_credentials.txt | 19:04 |
| Tenkawa | all the usuals | 19:04 |
| Tenkawa | setting up the test now | 19:27 |
| Vall | back | 19:31 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: I wrote it with dd, exact command and output: https://zerobin.net/?7ca0eabd0d9ffcc5#4dvTHAevmuuYs2ooyTGoVybUJXVI9kfULpBPT3R/42g= | 19:34 |
| Vall | Tenkawa: I did the `fdisk -l` and pasted the result, see here: https://zerobin.net/?eccc6f2e5597832c#QzuS7oTKZae8TBc+O0v6LMDMbVK0C84PW/Z1NoIQcsc= | 19:35 |
| Tenkawa | umm thats a pi zero image.. not pi 4 | 19:36 |
| Vall | Tenkawa: in fact the output of `fdisk -l` here is exactly the same as of yours | 19:36 |
| Tenkawa | armel is pi zero | 19:36 |
| Tenkawa | and pi 1 | 19:37 |
| Vall | Tenkawa: you refering to my case? Or yours? | 19:37 |
| Tenkawa | yours.. I was asked to test a pi 4 | 19:37 |
| Tenkawa | the pi 4 one works fine | 19:38 |
| Vall | I have a Pi4 8GB v1.4, not pi zero nor pi1 ... and I can't see armel anywhere here. Can you please be more precise? | 19:38 |
| Vall | ah | 19:38 |
| Vall | I see it | 19:38 |
| Vall | sorry, double checking | 19:38 |
| Vall | OK, bad paste, I pasted the command I ran about a week ago with another Pi, which was indeed a Pi1 and worked OK. | 19:39 |
| Vall | Let me repeat the dd here with the correct image, just to be sure | 19:40 |
| Tenkawa | ok | 19:40 |
| * Vall facepalms | 19:41 | |
| Vall | looks like I *really* tried to boot the Pi4 with the pi1 image... :-/ | 19:41 |
| Vall | crap | 19:41 |
| Tenkawa | pi@devuan:~$ uname -a | 19:42 |
| Tenkawa | Linux devuan 5.10.17-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Feb 28 13:09:10 CET 2021 aarch64 GNU/Linux | 19:42 |
| Tenkawa | pi@devuan:~$ dmesg | grep model | 19:42 |
| Tenkawa | [ 0.000000] Machine model: Raspberry Pi 4 Model B Rev 1.4 | 19:42 |
| Vall | trying again with the correct image, brb | 19:42 |
| Tenkawa | yeah its all good here | 19:42 |
| Tenkawa | free | 19:43 |
| Tenkawa | total used free shared buff/cache available | 19:43 |
| Tenkawa | Mem: 7946672 63204 7783260 2860 100208 7773672 | 19:43 |
| Tenkawa | Swap: 1048560 0 1048560 | 19:43 |
| Vall | Tenkawa: this is with a desktop environment loaded, right? | 19:46 |
| Tenkawa | no.. just the base image.. why? | 19:46 |
| Vall | weird | 19:46 |
| Vall | here's what I got with Raspbian: | 19:47 |
| Vall | free | 19:47 |
| Vall | total used free shared buff/cache available | 19:47 |
| Vall | Mem: 8064284 47916 7901248 8592 115120 7799380 | 19:47 |
| Vall | Swap: 102396 0 102396 | 19:47 |
| Tenkawa | what media are you using? | 19:48 |
| Vall | 2 things are weird IMHO: your total RAM is less (large graphics buffer?) and your used is more | 19:48 |
| Vall | Tenkawa: SD card | 19:48 |
| Vall | here is the raspbian image I used: 2021-05-07-raspios-buster-armhf-lite.img | 19:48 |
| Vall | I was expecting Devuan to use much much less RAM | 19:49 |
| Vall | (not more) | 19:49 |
| Tenkawa | sd card is one reason … and check this… grep gpu /boot/config.txt | 19:49 |
| Tenkawa | why would it use less? | 19:49 |
| Tenkawa | the os itself is still using the same kernel | 19:49 |
| Tenkawa | which is most of the initial ram usage | 19:50 |
| Vall | heh can't check it right now as I just reused the raspios card with Devuan | 19:50 |
| Vall | 1 min, rebooting with it, will brb | 19:50 |
| Tenkawa | yes you can… they both have that setting.. | 19:50 |
| Tenkawa | pi@devuan:~$ grep gpu /boot/config.txt | 19:51 |
| Tenkawa | gpu_mem=128 | 19:51 |
| Tenkawa | its not an "os" setting.. its a soc setting | 19:51 |
| c0rnelius | So it does boot? | 19:52 |
| Vall | here's my /boot/cmdline.txt: console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 root=PARTUUID=f718f3a2-02 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline fsck.repair=yes logo.nologo net.ifnames=0 rootwait | 19:52 |
| Vall | checking if PARTUUID is correct (with blkid) | 19:52 |
| Vall | blkid /dev/sdc2 | 19:52 |
| Vall | /dev/sdc2: LABEL="ROOTFS" UUID="0c9587bb-bc43-4fe6-b5ed-a33ab786a9ad" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="f718f3a2-02" | 19:52 |
| Vall | Yep, it is | 19:53 |
| Vall | ejecting the card, inserting it in the Pi and booting | 19:53 |
| Vall | ah -- question: if I have it connected via ethernet, it will try to dhcp on it, right? | 19:53 |
| Vall | Or is it best if I configure wpa_supplicant.conf? | 19:54 |
| c0rnelius | it should dhcp, yes | 19:54 |
| Vall | OK | 19:54 |
| Vall | booting, 1 min | 19:54 |
| Vall | This time I'm seeing healthy activity in the green LED | 19:57 |
| Vall | OK, reboot seems to have finished (much less activity in the green LED) but no DHCP so far | 19:59 |
| c0rnelius | is the eth port doing anything? | 19:59 |
| Vall | yep, carrier is up, but no activity | 20:01 |
| Vall | never mind, I will try again after configuring wpa_supplicant.conf | 20:02 |
| c0rnelius | Which version of Devuan you want? Beowulf or Testing. I can make a fresh img. | 20:02 |
| Vall | Testing is Sid/Ceres, right? | 20:02 |
| Vall | Or is it Chimaera? | 20:03 |
| c0rnelius | Chimaera should be | 20:03 |
| Tenkawa | Chimaera | 20:04 |
| Tenkawa | in development | 20:04 |
| Tenkawa | 623 | 20:04 |
| Tenkawa | Bullseye | 20:04 |
| Tenkawa | Maintained | 20:04 |
| Tenkawa | Ceres | 20:04 |
| Tenkawa | unstable | 20:04 |
| Tenkawa | 1 | 20:04 |
| Tenkawa | Sid | 20:04 |
| Tenkawa | Maintained | 20:04 |
| Vall | Is Chimaera as good in Beta as Beowulf was? | 20:04 |
| c0rnelius | Yeah but isn't it mostly the same shit? At this point in dev? | 20:04 |
| Tenkawa | chimaera is bullseye and ceres is sid/unstable | 20:05 |
| c0rnelius | so testing then | 20:05 |
| Tenkawa | c0rnelius: they are packing it in unstable already | 20:05 |
| c0rnelius | :) so unstable? | 20:05 |
| Tenkawa | my updates are flowing everytime I run it | 20:05 |
| Tenkawa | not for me.. but you know I can code the fixes if I need to | 20:06 |
| c0rnelius | Vall: Which one do you want? | 20:06 |
| c0rnelius | Beowulf will be headed towards the bin soon enough. I can fire which ever out in not much time. | 20:07 |
| c0rnelius | Tenkawa: Did you happen to uart the nanopi? | 20:09 |
| Tenkawa | c0rnelius: that was the next step | 20:10 |
| c0rnelius | Mine didn't appear to make it fully past first boot on 5.13.y | 20:10 |
| Vall | no go | 20:10 |
| c0rnelius | gcc-10/bullseye | 20:10 |
| Vall | (with the image from the devuan-arm site) | 20:10 |
| Tenkawa | I had a fan on it that got in the way so a bit of moving will need to take place | 20:10 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: give me Chimaera or give me death ;-) | 20:10 |
| c0rnelius | ok | 20:10 |
| c0rnelius | so testing or unstable? :D ha | 20:11 |
| Vall | LOL | 20:11 |
| c0rnelius | testing | 20:11 |
| Tenkawa | unstable is very active right now (which is fine by me)… just wanted to make sure you knew | 20:12 |
| * Tenkawa lives in unstable anyway | 20:13 | |
| c0rnelius | in my experience which is honestly limited with Devuan, I saw very little diff between the two in my last go around. | 20:13 |
| Tenkawa | c0rnelius: its usually the most active at the beginning of a new release | 20:14 |
| Tenkawa | ie Beowulf just being released | 20:14 |
| c0rnelius | But one would think testing is whats gonna be the next release? | 20:14 |
| Tenkawa | no.. testing is whats been already hashed out | 20:15 |
| c0rnelius | :| | 20:15 |
| Tenkawa | and thats being locked down | 20:15 |
| c0rnelius | See I don't know shit | 20:15 |
| Vall | Sometimes I wonder whether it's not better to go for broke and install Sid/Ceres or whatever anyway | 20:15 |
| c0rnelius | Now good at following all this Debian based jargon | 20:15 |
| Tenkawa | the day after Beowulf came out in Debian I had like 40 updates in unstable | 20:16 |
| c0rnelius | not* | 20:16 |
| Tenkawa | they lock it down a few months early | 20:16 |
| Tenkawa | and only take changes that are necessary for go live | 20:16 |
| c0rnelius | yeah so... unstable would not be the next stable release as its "unstable". | 20:17 |
| Tenkawa | so the backlog can be huge | 20:17 |
| c0rnelius | Logically it would be testing as thats headed towards... stable. | 20:17 |
| c0rnelius | One would think anyway. | 20:18 |
| c0rnelius | Whatever a img is being made, I'll post when uploaded. | 20:18 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: sure thing, and thanks | 20:19 |
| Tenkawa | testing is the "development stage" of the next release. Ahh here's some more descriptions: | 20:19 |
| Tenkawa | Unstable gets all the new packages, except the experimental ones. After fifteen days without critical bugs, they migrate to testing. So unstable is less stable. | 20:19 |
| Tenkawa | Testing eventually freezes before it becomes stable. Unstable is fluid. | 20:20 |
| Tenkawa | and then there was a time correction of: It's 2-10 days, not 15 | 20:20 |
| Tenkawa | its all a convulded mess | 20:21 |
| Tenkawa | er convoluded | 20:21 |
| c0rnelius | Welcome to Debian | 20:21 |
| Tenkawa | yeah but thats also the fun part too lol | 20:22 |
| Vall | Churchill would have said that Debian is the worst distro ever -- except for all the others ;-) | 20:22 |
| Tenkawa | lol | 20:22 |
| c0rnelius | Funny. I always hated Debian when I started using Linux. | 20:23 |
| Vall | I'm a relatively recent Debian user -- went from the mid 90s all the way to 2015 or so running Redhat derivatives (CentOS, etc). Then the whole systemd crapsunami arrived. | 20:24 |
| Vall | I immediately migrated to Devuan when it became available, and have not looked back | 20:24 |
| agneli | 19:41 < Vall> looks like I *really* tried to boot the Pi4 with the pi1 image... :-/ -> is not raspbian a rpi1 image indeed, still 32bit, etc? it should boot, am I wrong? | 20:25 |
| * Tenkawa has used everything probably in existence | 20:25 | |
| c0rnelius | Systemd doesn't bug me. I'm old and lazy now and just go with what works. | 20:25 |
| Vall | IMHO apt/dpkg is still worse than rpm/yum, but what matters is the whole experience -- and RH with systemd (to say nothing of is other Lennardisms -- past, present and future) sucks so much it makes a vacuum | 20:26 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: just wait until you have to debug something in systemd-land which is not working | 20:26 |
| Tenkawa | no.. rpm is a pile | 20:27 |
| sadsnork | Churchill would have said "Does a Devuan have gin in it?". | 20:28 |
| c0rnelius | Most of my problems end up either being kernel or uboot related. | 20:28 |
| c0rnelius | system service can be fixed and corrected. | 20:28 |
| Vall | Tenkawa: I developed my own RPMs (a few dozen of them) and did one or two debs -- at least from a developer's perspective, RPM really rocked | 20:28 |
| Vall | everything in a single spec file, etc | 20:28 |
| Vall | sadsnork: indeed ;-) | 20:29 |
| Tenkawa | Vall: the lack of dependency management is a nightmare though for system management and auditing | 20:29 |
| Vall | Tenkawa: RPM dependencies can be specified in the spec file, and are managed allright by yum (which is to rpm like apt is to dpkg) | 20:30 |
| Vall | agneli: not sure. the fact is, it didn't boot here :-P | 20:30 |
| Tenkawa | yes but yum wasn't around when "I" was a redhat admin (mid 90's) | 20:31 |
| Tenkawa | I started my sysadmin career in the early 90's | 20:31 |
| agneli | not much was around by then Tenkawa :) | 20:31 |
| agneli | what was the version in mid '90? 4.x? | 20:32 |
| Tenkawa | agneli: umm.. I started working on Unix boxes in the late 70's | 20:32 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: I'm old and lazy too. But I'm so old that I had the privilege of using an original DEC PDP/11-70 running Version 7 Unix, and I learned to admire its philosophy. Systemd goes head-on against all of it | 20:32 |
| Tenkawa | Linux may have been new.. but not Unix | 20:32 |
| agneli | Tenkawa: I remember :) | 20:32 |
| Vall | Tenkawa: agreed. RPM without yum is not good | 20:32 |
| Tenkawa | I really wish I knew where my 3A+ and my 0W disappeared off to lol | 20:34 |
| * Tenkawa has 2 machines missing | 20:34 | |
| Vall | Tenkawa: I started sysadmining with Cromix (look it up, ran on 8-bit S100 systems) and QNX (real-time Unixlike OS which booted, complete, from a single 360KB floppy disk in the original IBM-PC, and had a 2nd 360KB floppy with compiler, linker, libraries and free space to edit/compile/test/run your own programs). That was in the middle 80s | 20:34 |
| Tenkawa | Oh I had plenty of exposure to QNX | 20:35 |
| Vall | Man, QNX rockerd | 20:35 |
| Vall | *rocked | 20:35 |
| Tenkawa | I still have some ones that run that Nokia N800 os too.. Maemo | 20:36 |
| Tenkawa | sitting around here somewhere | 20:36 |
| agneli | ech... use gentoo or die :) | 20:36 |
| Vall | At work, the machine I used had an almost infinite 10MB hard-disk, and was used by me at the console, and two other guys with VT100 terminals connected to the IBM-PC serial ports | 20:36 |
| Tenkawa | yep | 20:36 |
| Vall | Heh, N800 -- I had one too. | 20:36 |
| Tenkawa | Vall: I was the local X.25/OSI, Assembly, and Cobol guy | 20:37 |
| Vall | yeah, X.25 | 20:37 |
| Vall | these were the days ;-) | 20:37 |
| agneli | which assembly Tenkawa? | 20:38 |
| agneli | on mhich cpu? | 20:38 |
| agneli | or cpus :) | 20:38 |
| Tenkawa | one of the reasons I stayed as far away from structured programming as I could for the rest of my career | 20:38 |
| Vall | I was the C/Unix guy. Knew/messed with Cobol, Assembly (Z80 on my case), Pascal (UCSD and Turbo, both on 8 bits), BASIC and a ton of other shit, but my forte was C and Unix | 20:39 |
| Tenkawa | agneli: NCR ISA Microchannel back then and more recently X86 for a gaming engine | 20:39 |
| Vall | and still is ;-) | 20:39 |
| agneli | gaming engine? in assembly? | 20:39 |
| agneli | you are a brave man | 20:39 |
| Vall | agneli: in those days, you had to use assembly for anything really performative like games | 20:40 |
| Tenkawa | agneli: yeah it was to connect the gaming engine to external databases (mysql and sqlite at that time) so we could make the game data persistent. | 20:40 |
| agneli | I did a raytracing 3d thing in assembly/machine code | 20:40 |
| Tenkawa | It was for the NWNX2 connector | 20:40 |
| agneli | early to middle '90, x86 | 20:40 |
| agneli | those were the days... | 20:40 |
| Vall | hehehehe | 20:41 |
| Vall | I'm in my mid-50s, what age are you guys (if you don't mind my asking)? | 20:41 |
| agneli | and the network part we were testing separately as I had access only to the network of 8088 pcs... | 20:41 |
| agneli | with thin ethernet | 20:41 |
| Tenkawa | Vall: I never say.. lets just say ancient | 20:42 |
| agneli | so we had to remove all but network part | 20:42 |
| Vall | Tenkawa: LOL | 20:42 |
| agneli | I man all the graphics... | 20:42 |
| agneli | heheheh | 20:42 |
| Tenkawa | Vall: I got a real early start though | 20:42 |
| agneli | I am the youngest of the oldest here lookslike | 20:42 |
| Vall | agneli: thin ethernet: RG58 cable, terminator and ground loop nightmares ;-) | 20:43 |
| agneli | Vall: Tenkawa always suggests he is 100+ and then he backs a little ;) | 20:43 |
| agneli | but not much | 20:43 |
| Tenkawa | I had walking problems young and I could read at an extreme young age so I was given a computer very young | 20:43 |
| Vall | agneli: I started when I was like 15th -- early 80s... | 20:43 |
| Vall | agneli: LOL | 20:43 |
| Tenkawa | since I couldn't play with others I had a lot of reading time before computers | 20:44 |
| Vall | Me, I was just a nerd ;-) | 20:44 |
| Tenkawa | Vall: that was me later | 20:45 |
| Vall | But I loved reading computer manuals and playing with them | 20:45 |
| Tenkawa | my wife is also a computer person too.. she's the programmer of the family | 20:45 |
| Vall | nice! | 20:45 |
| agneli | my first was atari 400 :D | 20:45 |
| Vall | mine was a Ti58C calculator :-P | 20:46 |
| * Tenkawa 's memory is too shot to remember | 20:46 | |
| Vall | and of course the IBM 360 in the university's basement (I was still in high school, but my physics teacher let me use his mainframe account as long as I fixed/ran hsi FORTRAN-IV program for him) | 20:47 |
| Vall | punched cards, bleh | 20:47 |
| agneli | Tenkawa: 2 weeks back we went to do some pub crawling with friend of mine who is 70+, he still managed to come back with a nice girl in her twenties... | 20:47 |
| agneli | I guess it all depends on how old one feels :) | 20:47 |
| Vall | heh | 20:47 |
| Vall | yeah | 20:48 |
| Tenkawa | heh | 20:48 |
| Vall | good point | 20:48 |
| Vall | folks, gotta go | 20:48 |
| Vall | Will be back later | 20:48 |
| agneli | enjoy... I will visit Chile soon | 20:48 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: if you can, please msg me with a link for the image, OK? | 20:48 |
| agneli | for some reason I really want to see Valparaiso | 20:48 |
| Tenkawa | cheers | 20:48 |
| Vall | agneli: Chile rocks ;-) Valparaiso sucks (IMHO), try the Atacama desert or the Patagonia, these are the places ;-) | 20:49 |
| * Vall waves | 20:49 | |
| c0rnelius | Vall: https://github.com/pyavitz/binary/releases/download/060420/rpi-4-devuan-testing-5.10.59-v8-ext4-2021-08-20.img.xz | 20:51 |
| c0rnelius | you can change the username by editing /boot/username.txt before firstboot, along with the wifi cred. | 20:53 |
| c0rnelius | info for that is here - https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder | 20:53 |
| c0rnelius | Tenkawa: it appears to be 5.13.12 on the Nano Pi. | 20:57 |
| c0rnelius | doesn't boot | 20:57 |
| Tenkawa | sounds like a dtb problem | 21:05 |
| Tenkawa | let me do some google searching | 21:06 |
| c0rnelius | 5.13.9 booted as thats what I was running before | 21:07 |
| Tenkawa | hmm might try taking its dtb.. and also comparing its .config | 21:08 |
| Tenkawa | see if anything sticks out | 21:08 |
| UsL | agneli: sounds almost like you had your place in the demo scene. Here is a clip from someone in Sweden I might or not know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGpU3DicbLQ mid nineties raytraced graphics on amiga. 07:19 ish | 22:29 |
| Tenkawa | agneli: Vall: for some odd reason I think one of my close friends here in town went to Valparaiso college/university | 22:31 |
| Tenkawa | but thats been so many decades ago | 22:31 |
| Tenkawa | hard to remember | 22:31 |
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