libera/#devuan-arm/ Friday, 2021-10-15

VallHowdy c0rnelius01:41
hyrcanusmaammal01:41
VallNow that Chimaera is official, will you release an image for it?01:42
Valls/image/RPi4 image01:42
hyrcanusidk01:44
hyrcanuswhat for01:47
c0rneliusVall: Yeah I can do that, I've been doing requests. You just want a Pi4 img?01:50
c0rneliusThere is a problem with the latest kernel release so the imgs will still be on 5.10.63 when I make them.01:52
c0rneliushttps://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/463101:52
c0rnelius5.10.73 is killing boards.01:52
Valleeech01:52
c0rneliusor sd cards I should say01:52
Vallouch01:52
Valllemme read the issue01:52
gnarfacei vote for pine64_plus too01:53
c0rneliusYeah I made a bunch for release from Beowulf to Chimaera and it killed my Pi3A+. Had to re-flash the card.01:53
hyrcanusimage means work for kernel.  should be seperate from OS globbing01:54
c0rneliusSo I purged the whole build. Gonna give it a few days.01:54
c0rneliusgnarface: I can make those, but I wouldn't be able to provide kernel support.01:54
c0rneliusBluetooth is wonky on it as well. Works on first boot but on reboot, it doesn't come back. Need to power it down, haven't figured out why yet.01:55
c0rneliusHappens in Debian and Ubuntu as well.01:55
gnarfacei think the phones were having the same problem01:55
c0rneliusWouldn't be surprised.01:56
c0rneliusVall: Give me a day and upload some images.01:56
c0rneliusYou'll be able to find them at the request link -> https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder/releases/tag/image01:57
Vallc0rnelius: no hurry, mate. My new Sandisk MAX SD card won't probably arrive until next week at the earliest01:58
Vallplease take your time01:58
c0rneliusVall: alrighty01:58
* Vall is really anxious to get his hands on the new card and compare it to his 10-year old 8GB Class 4 SD currently being used01:59
c0rneliusIt will be way.. better.02:00
c0rneliusI recently moved mine to an ssd so I could free up an sd card for other stuff.02:01
Vallre kernel SNAFUs, I think it all started going downhill after 2.6.x when Linux and GregKH and the other kernel gods gave up on having "stable" (even release numbers) and "development" (odd release numbers)02:01
VallSSD connected via USB3, right?02:02
c0rneliusYeah USB302:02
c0rneliusI see off and on issues in stable releases, but its pretty shitty when an LTS kernel is killing ur board. I think this is the second time have had this prob on 5.10.y with foundation kernels.02:03
VallIs USB3 a better interface, hardware-wise, than the one used for SD cards on the RPi4?02:04
c0rneliusVall: Depends what ur using it for really. SSD off USB3 will be faster than an SDCARD.02:05
c0rneliusPis aren't know for quality sdcard slots :)02:05
c0rneliusknown*02:05
ukineor security. broadcom(m?). heh.02:06
c0rneliusvery true02:06
ukinei'm laying back down. f*** the system.02:06
Vallukine: uh?02:09
c0rneliusAlright so my sources.list for chimaera is right. good good. Didn't even notice it was released.02:10
Vallc0rnelius: re RPi4 sdcard slots, are they problematic? In which way(s)?02:11
c0rneliusVall: They just aren't high speed like other boards.02:11
c0rneliusThe ones on the Pi4 are better than the Pi3, but other boards usually provide you with a better quality.02:12
c0rneliusThere is a way to tweak the dts to increase the freq at which the card reads, but I stopped doing it on the pi4 as it created instability.02:13
Vallc0rnelius: thanks for the clarifications. But are they at least stable (without freq increasing)?02:15
c0rneliusYes of course. Don't get me wrong it runs just fine.02:16
c0rneliusI was using I think the same card you ordered on mine until like a week ago. Ran perfect.02:16
c0rneliusI only pulled it because I needed the card and had an extra ssd laying around.02:16
VallKK02:23
Vallthanks again for the clarifications, c0rnelius02:23
Vallfolks, gotta go. see y'all tomorrow, have a good one!02:23
* Vall waves02:23
c0rneliussee ya02:30
c0rneliusgnarface: The builder uses Hirsute as a Host, but you can make Devuan imgs here -> https://github.com/pyavitz/debian-image-builder02:32
c0rneliusCan does cross or native compiling as well and docker is also option.02:33
c0rneliusIf you don't mind maintaining ur own kernels, its an option.02:34
gnarfacenoted, thanks02:36
c0rneliusI haven't done mad testing with Devuan yet, but last time I checked it worked.02:36
c0rneliusI have a sneaking suspicion that 5.15 will be a LTS release, so I've been slowly moving everything to 5.14.y. As I'm the only person really testing its a slow process.02:39
steevi hope not, i'd prefer 5.16 be the lts04:03
c0rneliusI haven't really read to much into it, but what I have read is it will be the last major release of the year. Could be BS? Most things are... I have no inside information of course.04:08
c0rneliusBut even when 5.10 was released they made a stink about it, saying essentially if it wasn't adopted by enough people it would be a short term LTS. So who knows?04:09
steevyeah, there's just a lot of stuff that is half baked making it into 5.15 and the rest of it isn't going in til 5.1604:43
c0rneliusThats really not a huge deal has most things get back ported into LTS.05:36
c0rneliushas/as*05:36
c0rneliusimportant things anyway.05:37
c0rneliusThere are commits in 5.14.12 inside 5.10.72. I guess it comes down to priority?05:38
steevbug fixes are backported, "new things" are typically not unless the distro themselves do it, ala ubuntu/fedora.06:45
steevit typically comes down to the "Fixes" tag - if whatever commit that is tagged is in a kernel, it is typically backported since it's a fix for a broken feature06:47
steevas an example - https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-arm-msm/patch/20211011095534.1580406-1-vladimir.zapolskiy@linaro.org/06:47
steevFixes: 3e482859f1ef ("dts: qcom: sdm845: Add dt entries to support crypto engine.")06:47
steevso that would get backported to any kernel that has 3e482859f1ef in it, assuming it's supported still06:47
steevbut you can also request fixes to be backported, if they aren't already - https://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linux-stable-mirror/2021-September/304025.html as an example, because this one wasn't because it never got requested06:49
steevi think for "auto" backporting, you have to cc stable tree and mention which trees?06:49
steevi'm by no means a kernel expert, just an occasional commit and tested-by's06:51
hyrcanus+107:11
c0rneliusWell you know more than I :) Sounds accurate to me from what I've seen.13:57
Vallsteev: thanks for the detailed info on kernel fixes backporting, very detailed!17:54
VallI was once a kind of "kernel expert", always configured/compiled my own, had my own patches etc (even if never contributed explicitly to mainline)17:55
VallAfter 2.6.x, I got kinda disgusted with how things went and nowadays I mostly use whatever comes with the distro17:56
VallSo, here's to 5.16 becoming the next LTS with all the good fixes and none of the bad ;-)17:57
hyrcanusremember anything in particular that you disliked?18:03
hyrcanus@ Vall18:03
Vallback19:13
Vallhyrcanus: Basically, what I disliked most was the fact that one could no longer just take a x.y.z kernel and compile it and expect it to work as long as y was an even number19:14
Valland the various f*ck-ups that started happening after the decision to do that19:15
Vall(the big EXT4 f*ck-up comes to mind)19:16
VallAlso, I don't like the attitude of the kernel 'bosses' (GregKH et al) in regards to ZFS, where they basically change things gratuitously that end up breaking ZFS and then say they couldn't care less19:18
steevi can actually understand the last one19:21
steevwhile it would be nice to not break the out of kernel modules, they need to do what is best for the kernel, and drivers should strive to enter the mainline kernel19:22
VallDue to all that and adding the f*ck-up in userland (systemd being the main culprit) for a time I seriously considered moving to FreeBSD19:22
steevthat isn't specific to just zfs, that happens often with out of tree wifi drivers, which i'm more familiar with19:22
VallIf it wasn't for Devuan, I would be in FreeBSD already19:22
Vallsteev: well, that's the issue. ZFS is CDDL-licensed, and albeit it being opensource (or else it wouldn't be in FreeBSD) it's not GPL. So it's not going into the mainline kernel19:24
VallAnd I fully disagree that what GregKH and gang is doing to the kernel for the last 10 years is actually what is "best" for it19:25
Vall(see my observations re: even-numbered releases, and the EXT4 f*ck-up I mentioned above).19:26
VallThe situation with ZFS ended up being totally ridiculous, eg https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=15471451683238919:28
VallSun didn't even exist anymore (for over 8 years at the time of the above message), and still GregKH was using what he thought they meant for ZFS as an excuse to not support it19:30
steevthe even numbered release thing isn't a thing anymore19:44
Vallsteev: I know, for a long time already. And that's part of the problem20:09
VallAt least IMHO, things were much better when it was20:09
steevi'm not sure what you're saying though, because *every* release now is expected to work20:09
Vallsteev: except that they don't20:10
Valleg the aforementioned EXT4FS fu*k-up20:10
steevsure, bugs will occur20:10
steevbut it's not like they specifically say "i'm gonna break this release just to fuck up Vall's day"20:11
VallLOL20:11
Vallagreed20:11
VallI don't think it's personal.20:11
VallOr even that they do it to f*ck things up on purpose20:11
steevi know it isn't.  in fact, one of the people i used to have a bit of a grudge against, is now someone i goto almost constantly20:11
steevwhen i was at genesi, he was constantly blocking patches from us to get the efikamx support into mainline20:12
steevat the time, it was very frustrating, but looking back, he was absolutely right20:12
VallBut the fact is that the releases suck. Things that simply can't be put into production slip through all the time20:12
VallInteresting insight20:12
Valllooking up efikamx20:13
Vallsteev: you mean this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efika#Efika_MX20:13
steevsi20:13
Vallhablas español, ¿amigo steev?20:14
steevsorry, no, the company i'm at now, everyone says si instead of yes20:15
steevi only speak english, and very rudimentary russian20:15
VallHeh20:15
Vallsi is neither english nor russian ;-)20:16
VallAnyway, nm20:16
steevi know various words of spanish, but not enough to hold a conversation :)20:16
VallBut interesting machine, the Efika MX20:16
c0rneliusperfecto I use to hear a lot. For some reason it really annoyed me :)20:16
c0rneliusJust say perfect! I know you can.20:17
Vall12W maximum for a complete laptop (in 2009!) is kinda miraculous20:17
VallHeh20:17
VallI used to *hate* spanish. Then I was forced (for many reasons) to learn it, and nowadays I see a lot of good things in it20:18
VallSpanish's (or, to be more precise, Castellano's) major issue, for me, is the irregular verbs20:19
VallBut then all latin languages suffer from that, and in some (*cough* French *cough*) it's actually much worse20:19
c0rneliusI don't dislike Spanish and grew up in Miami, FL. But... Native Spanish people are funny in that they refuse to speak English and expect me to speak Spanish.20:19
steevyeah, we were ahead of our time :D20:19
steevand then squandered it all away20:19
Vallsteev: sorry to hear it :-/20:20
steevit happens :)20:20
Vallc0rnelius: hehehe yeah respect their cultural identity, but don't expect them to respect yours ;-)20:21
c0rneliusExactly20:21
c0rneliusIf I moved to Germany I would learn German :) to some degree.20:21
Vallsteev: it happens a lot... but sometimes a good failure is better that an evil success20:21
c0rneliusI mean I wouldn't move there, but as an example. Yeah.20:22
VallJust see what MS and Apple became, compared to what they were when they began20:22
Vallc0rnelius: sure20:22
Vall(re German)20:22
VallIn fact I would like to learn German even if I'm not going to move there either20:23
Vallthere's a lot of material written originally in German that I'd like to read, and translations always f*ck things up (the best translations only f*ck it up a little, but still do f*ck them up)20:24
VallSame with Japanese20:24
c0rneliusNot a big lover of the German people. They are fine and all..? But I still hold a grudge. It's like Poland. No plans on ever going there.20:24
Vallc0rnelius: you mean, b/c of WW2?20:24
c0rneliusMostly jokes :)20:24
c0rneliusSomething like that. Not interested in visiting a place I'm not wanted.20:25
c0rneliusFunny thing about Germans is a lot of them went to Argentina. Actually have a town and what not there that mostly speaks German.20:26
c0rneliusI guess them and Hispanics have a lot in common as they refuse to integrate.20:27
c0rneliusI'm mostly joking. But it is true :)20:28
VallA few years back, I spent a couple of weeks in Bavaria (southern Germany) and liked it a lot, people were very friendly and helpful20:28
VallAnd I have a couple of friends from around Berlin20:29
c0rneliusI know a few around there.20:29
VallBut haven't gone to Northern Germany yet, actually20:29
VallMy friends from Berlin make jokes about their southerners, so there's a kind of rivalry there20:32
VallBut this happens a lot in most countries, IME20:32
Vall(people from a region making fun of people from another)20:33
Vallc0rnelius: and what about Poland?20:33
c0rneliusPeople are stupid, inherently.20:33
Vallyeah20:33
Vallit's like Douglas Adams said, "the 2 things most common in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity" ;-)20:34
c0rneliusMost of the camps were in Poland. When it was invaded by Germany they didn't put up a fight. Poland had one of the largest Jewish populations and now has one of the smallest.20:35
VallI understand, Holocaust.20:35
c0rneliusThey also sell tickets to visit those camps and are Holocaust deniers. So its kinda of a oxymoron thing going on.20:37
VallI visited a concentration camp turned museum when I was near Nuremberg, and then the main Holocaust Museum in Nuremberg proper.20:37
c0rneliusDid you have to pay?20:37
VallBeen many years, but IIRC, no.20:37
VallI think entrance was free20:38
VallThey had the ever-present gift shop in both, tho20:38
c0rneliusI had a tenant here who visited Poland recently and said he really liked it there and visited the camps. Wasn't free.20:39
VallI think the only thing more stupid and cruel than the Holocaust proper is trying to deny it nowadays20:39
c0rneliusWell I agree of course. Politics are so stupid.20:40
VallNot to defend Poland too much, but they were invaded by the Nazis in the east and the Reds in the west at the same time. Very difficult to put a fight against that20:40
Vall"Politics are so stupid" and then Aristoteles wrote, "Man in the political animal".20:41
VallWhat this means is that "Man is the stupid animal" ;-)20:41
c0rneliusThere is a town outside of Dallas, TX in the states where they are trying to find ways to have opposing views in schools. So for example, if you talk about the Holocaust you also need to give children examples of people who say it didn't happen?20:41
VallLOL20:41
Vallthis is INCREDIBLY stupid.20:42
c0rneliusIts funny really.20:42
c0rneliusI laughed when I heard it.20:42
VallThen if you teach children that 2+2=4, you also have to give them examples of people who say 2+2=3? Or 5?20:42
VallLOL20:42
c0rneliusPretty much sums that up20:43
c0rneliusso stupid20:43
VallAgreed20:43
Vall"Children, tomorrow we will have an exposition from a Flat-earther in the Geography class. You know, 'both-sideism' rules...)20:43
c0rneliusLife is funny. I honestly just try to laugh at it.20:44
c0rneliusBut then I feel bad for my kids so I just... you know? Tell them the truth :)20:44
Vall"God is a comedian, playing for an audience that is afraid to laugh"20:45
Vall;-)20:45
c0rneliusDon't listen to that garbage and stay off of Fakebook.20:45
VallAt least we aren't ;-)20:45
Vall(afraid to laugh, I mean)20:45
c0rneliusI think we need to laugh at everything. :)20:46
Vallyeah ;-)20:46
VallI'm with you on that, friend c0rnelius ;-)20:46
c0rnelius:D20:47
VallBut then, TX is the vanguard of the retarded ;-)20:48
c0rneliusThis is very true.20:49
VallI think the US should really give it back to Mexico ;-)20:49
c0rneliusIf I was president I would sell it back to Mexico. Border problem solved.20:49
VallThe only problem is, I don't think Mexico would take it back with the Texans... then you'd have to find someplace else for them to go ;-)20:50
VallPerhaps Mexico could evict them, after regaining control of the land? ;-)20:50
c0rneliusThey would take it back. Lets of Oil still and what have you.20:50
c0rneliusAnd lots of stupid. Its perfect.20:50
VallLOL20:50
c0rneliuslets/lots*20:51
VallWell, we should ask the mexicans ;-)20:51
c0rneliusAnd they get to keep that stupid wall :)20:51
Vallthey would make it a theme park, I think ;-)20:51
c0rneliusProbs the best thing for it really.20:52
Valllike, glue those plastic hand/foot holds and charge people to try and escalate it ;-)20:52
c0rneliusha20:52
Vallheh20:52
c0rneliusI side more with Lewis Black on this. They should have built the wall around Canada to help keep all that cold air out :)20:54
VallLOL yeah20:59
VallTo say nothing of keeping in all the Americans that try to escape North ;-)21:00
c0rneliustruth21:06
VallBut then that was what the Reds tried with the Berlin wall, and it didn't work very well nor for very long ;-)21:07
c0rneliusFrom what I can tell though there is nothing but `stupid` going on everywhere. There is no escaping this.21:07
VallWell, yeah. But then there's stupid, and there's stupider ;-)21:08
c0rneliusIf someone said "We need a space Janitor as we are headed to Mars or some shit like this?" I would have been the first one to sign up. Fix ur toilets and Computers and whatever else? I'm on it! Where do I sign?21:10
c0rneliusThis sounds to good to be true.21:11
VallThe alternative is to make enough money, buy an RV and go live in the Desert and work remotely when you can21:12
c0rneliusMy thing is... I don't really any fucks about money. I understand its needed. But... Its just BS.21:12
c0rneliusI've had highs and lows. I find the more you have to more you pay and the less you have the more you pay. Unless you are dirty rich and then you pay nothing for some reason?21:14
c0rneliusCapitalism. It doesn't work.21:15
VallHeh21:16
VallThe problem is that Comunism works even less ;-)21:16
Vall(just ask the Russians, the Polish, the Cubans, etc) ;-)21:16
c0rneliusThe problem is people.21:16
Vallexactly!21:16
c0rneliusplan and simple.21:16
VallI'm with you on that21:16
VallActually, it's Murphy's Law21:17
c0rneliusThere are ways to navigate this shit show we pretend to call a life. Problem is no one will step up that is in position to do so.21:18
c0rneliusIts a trap!21:18
VallYou know the joke, "1) You can't win; 2) You can't break-even; 3) you can't even quit the game" ?21:19
VallThe punch line is that all belief systems that tried to make human life less miserable fail because they contradict one of the above rules21:20
VallCapitalism fails because it says you can win. Comunism fails because it says you can break-even. And religion fails because it says you can quit the game ;-)21:20
Vallbrb21:20
c0rneliusShit. They just shot William Shatner into space. Sorta? Kinda space? Not really. And that in the end was a fucking sells pitch for Amazon. Captain fucking Kirk!21:20
c0rneliusIts insulting and then they call them Astronauts? and I think... I'm pretty sure real Astronauts trained for this? How insulting.21:22
Vallback21:24
VallIn fact I found Kirg going to space kinda cool ;-)21:24
Vall*Kirk21:24
VallThe other day SpaceX shot into space (and then brough back) a capsule-load of amateur astronauts21:25
c0rneliusAll those old school peps who did test flights and risked their own lives. That guy as much as I like him on that show does not deserve by any degree to be called an Astronaut.21:25
VallI think there are pro astronauts and amateur ones ;-)21:25
c0rneliusI think there are people who are rich and those who actually care.21:26
VallKirk is definitely no pro astronaut, no matter how much he played on on the TV21:26
c0rneliusWe can agree to disagree on this.21:26
Vall;-)21:26
Vallsure21:26
VallYou think Kirk went because he is rich, or because he cares? ;-)21:27
c0rneliusNever met the man. I think personally someone presented him with something he couldn't refuse. I mean would you?21:28
c0rneliusBut in the end it was just sales pitch. Sadly.21:29
VallNo way in heck I would refuse it ;-) But I do care about Space.21:29
VallI actually think the best investment Humanity could do right now for its own survival would be to establish a sustainable, long-term colony in the Moon, with at least 600 colonists between men and women.21:32
c0rneliusThat guy whom use to run Amazon "I won't even dignify him by saying his name" is still just being a salesmen. Granted he doesn't have to be, he is dirty rich now.21:32
VallThe way things are, we have all eggs in one basket. Literally21:32
VallJeff Bozos ;-)21:33
c0rneliusI'm with you and other Nasa Admins. We should have gone to the mooon.21:33
c0rneliusThe space station was and is a waste of time and monies.21:34
Vallc0rnelius: fully agreed. ISS is better than nothing, but not by much, and costs a ton.21:38
VallNow that the Chinese are threatening to leave the US behind in Space, perhaps this will change. New Space race etc21:39
c0rneliusThey aren't going anywhere.21:39
VallAnd to speak of another bozo, Elon Musk, I think trying to establish a colony on Mars before doing so in the moon is to try and run before learning to walk21:40
VallYou mean, the Chinese?21:40
c0rneliusPeople place to much strength in China.21:40
c0rneliusThat isn't really there.21:41
c0rneliusI'm not saying that aren't able. But I am saying that can21:42
c0rneliust do it alone21:42
VallI hope you are right. With all its issues, I much prefer the US to be the dominant power in Space and elsewhere, than China.21:43
c0rneliusSpace is like Antarctica.21:43
VallHow so?21:43
c0rneliusThere are rules.21:43
c0rneliusYou can't just claim this and that and frankly the with out the US helping them, I don't see how they are going to move forward in a ral way.21:44
c0rneliusreal*21:45
c0rneliusThis isn't an anime is what I'm saying. There is a huge cost of life here.21:46
c0rneliusGranted China does prove its self to not really care about its population, but that doesn't mean that communist system is gonna risk its dominance.21:48
Vallhummmr21:48
VallYou mean, no one can go and claim a part of Space b/c, like in Antarctica, you'd have to somehow have help from the US?21:49
c0rneliusIt is generally recognised as a global commons, both by the members to the Antarctic Treaty, to non-member states and to the general population globally. Antarctica is a more concrete, physical space than other global commons, such as outer space, and it has, and is, actively dealing with the issue of sovereignty.21:51
c0rneliusPulled from the webs21:51
Vallhummrmrmr... how does integrate "China can't really dominate space" argument?21:52
c0rneliusWell I think the above says it all. Not only can't on a real level do so, but they would also be going against the other norms that are present on Earth as we know it. It would go against norms and more than likely be the end of them. To be frank.21:54
c0rneliusNo one would stand for it21:55
c0rneliusWe don't live in a united world currently. If we did things would be a better place. But I can say with current politics that isn't going to fly.21:56
c0rneliusI have nothing but great respect for all people of the planet. But to think China is some how going to assume control is a but naive in my opinion. America has been at it since the end of WWII and still can't find its own dick.21:59
c0rneliusAnother fact about China which for some dumb reason no one thinks about anymore, is that if wasn't for the fact America blew the shit out of Japan, China would now be apart of Russia.22:33
c0rneliusAt the end of WWII China was occupied and fucked by Japan and Russia was moving in to claim territory lost by the China. America dropped those bombs to prove a point "which they didn't need too" Back off!22:37
c0rneliusThis in the end created the cold war, but stopped China from being occupied by the Russians.22:38
c0rneliusIts funny to me how history and simple facts are lost by people.22:39
c0rneliusBut then again I don't know anything. I just read, which I hear is bad thing these days.22:40
steevc0rnelius: so, i decided to give your image builder a try, when making the distro kali and suite kali-rolling on a kali host, the kali banner doesn't work in lib/source because we don't seem to have the "small" font apparently.22:43
steevi mean, i assume it would fail on any of them on a kali host because of not having the small font really22:44
c0rneliussteev: The builder is specific to Ubuntu. But i thought I put a caution in there for if not found don't do it?22:44
steevyou check that toilet exists, not the font :)22:44
c0rneliusBut ur talking about actual fonts.22:44
steevthe toilet fonts22:45
c0rneliustrue22:45
c0rneliusWhy would Kali ot include this?22:45
c0rneliusnot*22:45
c0rneliusCould just remove that from the lib?22:45
steevi think ubuntu patches that font in, because we don't do anything different from debian22:45
steevor it's dropped from newer toilet than ubuntu has?22:46
c0rneliusPretty sure that in Debian.22:46
c0rneliusThe original builder was based on Debian22:46
c0rneliusI moved it to Ubuntu because of the GCC support available22:47
c0rneliusWhich builder are you using?22:47
steevhttps://packages.debian.org/bookworm/all/toilet-fonts/filelist22:48
steevi'm building it on my c630 actually, which is a kali host22:49
steevi'm trying to build an image for the nanopc t422:49
c0rneliusI see22:49
c0rneliusNot sure I added bookworm to supported options.22:49
steevi stripped out the -f small22:49
steevthat's just the link]22:50
steeveven going to oldstable which is buster, doesn't list small22:50
steevand bullseye has the same as buster22:50
steever22:50
steevbookworm22:50
c0rneliusUr building on Kali though right?22:50
steevyes22:51
c0rneliusI just checked I haven't, added bookworm.22:51
steevyou're focusing on the wrong thing22:51
steevit's not about bookworm22:51
Tenkawabookworm is unstable22:51
c0rneliusWell the current state of the builder is meant to be used with Ubuntu.22:51
c0rneliusThere is this > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pyavitz/debian-image-builder/feature/lib/.package.list22:52
Tenkawathe builder targets "established" targets... not moving ones22:52
steevthat's fine, i'm just saying that even debian stable has the same version as is in bookworm22:52
steevhttps://tracker.debian.org/pkg/toilet22:52
Tenkawathats why sid isnt in there either22:52
c0rneliuswhich points out basic depends for bullseye, but the builder would still be limited.22:52
c0rneliusI've never seen an toilet error before :) What would you suggest?22:53
Tenkawasteev: don't use "stable" "unstable" target names in debian. period22:54
steevTenkawa: you're still focusing on the incorrect thing22:54
c0rneliussteev: Yeah its the font.22:54
steevi'm saying that the same version of toilet is in bullseye, sid, and bookworm22:54
Tenkawaif you went to #debian and told them you were using that they'd stop talking to you22:54
steevthat version doesn't have  the damn font file in it22:54
steevidgaf?22:55
c0rneliusWell thats not good22:55
steevwhy are you arguing about inconsequentional bullshit22:55
Tenkawabecause I don22:55
steevi'm reporting a bug and you're complaining about the fact that i'm saying the wrong name of the suite when i'm pointing to a url22:55
Tenkawaer I don't  think you looked at the right pkg dependency versions22:55
steevthe package is the same no matter which fucking suite it is22:56
steevget off your fucking high horse, jesus fucking christ22:56
Tenkawabut the versions and what they contain very much are22:56
steevlook at the fucking tracker url22:56
c0rneliussteev: Is what ur saying is -f small isn't there anymore?22:56
steevc0rnelius: i have no idea if it ever was.  toilet isn't something that we in kali would customize, we just include it straight from debian22:57
c0rneliusStrange because I know for sure its in Debian.22:58
steev~$ toilet -f small -F metal kali22:58
steeverror: could not load font small22:58
Tenkawa toilet -f small test22:58
Tenkawa _          _22:58
Tenkawa| |_ ___ __| |_22:58
Tenkawa|  _/ -_|_-<  _|22:58
Tenkawa \__\___/__/\__|22:58
Tenkawaworks fine for me22:58
Tenkawasame image base22:58
steevah, figured it out22:59
c0rneliusAs a matter of fact I have a "not" mentioned kali-rolling release inside the builder.22:59
steevsmall comes from figlet22:59
steevnot from toilet22:59
Tenkawaexactly!!!!!22:59
steevi thought i had the dependencies but my eyes skipped over it23:00
c0rneliusWell... I did make the builder very specific. Probs my bad but I was trying to create options and Ubuntu seemed to be the best choice at the time.23:02
steevnah, it's not that specific :)23:03
steevit runs fine, at least, until it hit that error23:03
steevi'd probably still check for the existence of /usr/share/figlet/small.flf and yell at the user to install the dependencies correctly23:04
steevor skip passing it23:04
c0rneliussteev: I'll do so.23:07
steevkinda annoying that they split the toilet fonts out but not the figlet ones23:07
c0rneliusBut yeah, figlet is a depends in the builder.23:07
steevyeah :) i read the dependencies and ran the ones i thought i was missing, just missed figlet in there23:08
Vallc0rnelius: agree fully re: a united world would be much better.23:08
c0rneliusVall: I think we can all agree on that, sir.23:08
VallI have great respect for the chinese people. The problem with China is its authoritarian, bullying government23:08
Vallheh same here regarding reading. But I have heard this same "the US dropped the 2 bombs in Japan to make a point to the soviets" argument from my father, who actually lived through those times.23:10
c0rneliusVall: Well to some degree its true. Japan was already screwed at that point. What did the US have left to stop the Russians but "check this out"?23:28
c0rneliusIf yopu ask me, Japan got the short end of the stick, but they did deserve it on some level. At the same time there is history and when you look back, they made the choice to do what they did based on the facts on the ground at that time.23:29
c0rneliusI feel bad about it all, really.23:29
c0rneliusOf course I wasn't involved but... Still. Was a garbage place to be in.23:31
c0rneliusThere is a reason why this isn't taught in schools inside Japan. Shame.23:33
VallI think the US would have been perhaps justified in dropping a single bomb on them. Preferably in some uninhabited or lightly-inhabited island near the Japanese main land.23:35
c0rneliusI would have to agree.23:35
c0rneliusIt was just a means to an end at that point.23:35
VallTo drop 2 bombs in highly populated cities full of civilians, that was definitely *not* ok.23:36
c0rneliusNot only was that done but they made them test subjects to fall out.23:36
VallI think that "the end justify the means" can and is used to 'validate' all kinds of monstruosities23:36
Vallc0rnelius: agreed.23:36
c0rneliusthe whole thing is horrific.23:37
VallThe fact that it was two bombs of entirely different technologies (one was based on uranium, the other on plutonium) reinforces that.23:37
VallI think Japan did a monstruous thing in Pearl Harbor. To say nothing of what they did in the rest of Asia ("comfort women", etc)23:38
c0rneliusAnyway. China would be apart of Russia if that wasn't done... or? And even perhaps history as we know it today would be completely diff.23:38
VallBut to drop 2 atomic bombs on civilians? That could have come straight from the nazis for all it's like.23:39
c0rneliusI think the same thing.23:39
VallI never heard this thing about Russia invading China. But anyway, I'm not sure the CCP wouldn't have throw them out right afterwards, just like it did with the english and etc in 194923:40
c0rneliusJapans fight in WWII as I understand it was resources. The Europeans and US and reserved most of the islands around them and was extracting those resources for them selves. Leaving Japan in a shit poor place and dependent on people, which they didn't want to be. Japan as Island has vert little resources such as fossil fuels.23:42
c0rneliusIts really what lite the match for them.23:42
Vallyeah23:42
Vallbut the end does not justify the means23:42
VallI think it's the exact opposite.23:43
c0rneliusI'm not saying its just.23:43
VallEven if you don't succeed, if you at least use honorable means, even a failed ending is justified23:43
c0rneliusYou and I can't change it.23:44
c0rneliusIts like thinking Jews made it out of WWII because the world cared? The world didn't. Those who survived lived. Its just that simple.23:44
c0rneliusThere are less than 200 people on the whole planet with my surname because of that shit show. Its just truth.23:45
c0rneliusI just know I had nothing to do with it. It doesn't define me but I still read :)23:46
steevc0rnelius: fwiw, image built successfully, and it runs fine on the system23:48
c0rneliussteev: You test the turbo you suggested?23:48
steevnot on the nanopct423:49
steevi did test it on the pinebook pro and it works fine there23:49
c0rneliusNice23:49
steevi mean, i plan to test it in a sec, it should be running but i didn't look just yet23:50
c0rneliusJust need to adjust a file a restart a service23:50
steevoh i did that and rebooted because i'm lazy23:50
c0rneliusah23:50
steevbut i'm installing a desktop on it23:51
steevand it's trucking along quite nicely, and the pwm fan on it kicks in every so often23:51
steevso that's good23:51
c0rneliusreally?23:51
c0rneliusI don't even have that fan :)23:51
c0rneliusI was looking at it online but... China and shit. Take weeks to get hear with the current US probs.23:52
c0rneliushere*23:52
steevAh I’ve had them for both of the nanopc t4, I got them when I was tired of plugging fans in to the gpio and unplugging them when I didn’t wanna listen to them23:53
steevAnd yeah, shipping now is annoying and ridiculous.23:54
c0rneliusWhen I originally bought the T4 those weren't available which is why I don't have one.23:54
steevIt took like 2 months for my pinecil to show up23:54
c0rneliusYeah thats just tarded23:54
steevYep23:54
steevOne thing I may look into23:55
steevI’m tired of mainline not supporting the mipi display23:55
c0rneliusWell happythe builder worked for you :) I do make some effort there and its good to hear that its helpful to someone besides myself and Tenkawa :)23:56
steevI was curious to see it work, plus I wanted to try that patch yeah23:56
c0rneliusWell that patch is half ur idea. :)23:57
steevwow23:57
steevit's already at 90% done installing gnome23:57
c0rneliusFucking turbo boost and whatnots23:58

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