| Tenkawa | igraltist_1: greetings | 19:00 |
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| igraltist_1 | hi | 19:01 |
| igraltist_1 | did someone change from armbian to devuan | 19:03 |
| Tenkawa | armbian is just "yet another fork" of debian... the better q is to ask which soc you are working with | 19:08 |
| Tenkawa | oops I missed them | 19:09 |
| steev | igraltist: point the repos at devuan, update, done | 19:39 |
| steev | unless you start with armbian ubuntu base, then it gets a bit more involved as ubuntu typically changes the epoch on a few packages and you need to "downgrade" to the newer versions of them in debian/devuan | 19:39 |
| igraltist | ok | 19:40 |
| igraltist | i was started with buster | 19:40 |
| steev | you should be able to either point at the devuan buster equivalent, or bullseye equivalent and update. you can leave the armbian repos enabled to get kernel/firmware updates, but any time the firmware updates come in, since debian doesn't do the firmware packages like debian does (they follow ubuntu's lead of all 1 package), you might need to pass -o dpkg::options::=--force-overwrite if you have any firmware- packages installed | 19:41 |
| steev | sorry, since armbian doesn't do the firmware packages like debian does* | 19:42 |
| Tenkawa | steev: they are also going to run into problems with the systemd dependencies in armbian though I wouold imagine | 19:46 |
| Tenkawa | unless you swap out systemd to sysvinit manually are still there and are active | 19:48 |
| steev | debian has it documented for how to do that | 19:48 |
| Tenkawa | steev: yeah and it usually removes about 1/4 of a system in arm | 19:49 |
| Tenkawa | also depends a lot on which soc | 19:50 |
| Tenkawa | the rpi's are much worse than most | 19:50 |
| Tenkawa | not sure which one they are using thougg | 19:50 |
| Tenkawa | h | 19:50 |
| steev | last i knew, armbian didn't do rpi | 19:51 |
| Tenkawa | yeah.. indeed | 19:53 |
| Tenkawa | one of the reasons we built a replacement for it and raspbian/rpios | 19:53 |
| steev | :) | 20:05 |
| steev | i do wish that there was a way to get the rpios bits back into debian so that the 0,0w,1 could all run armhf, but i do understand that while they are by far the most popular, they aren't the only armv6 boards out there | 20:06 |
| Tenkawa | steev: heh just getting the kernel pieces back into mainline is a saga | 20:06 |
| steev | i was more meaning the userland | 20:07 |
| steev | i would absolutely love if more of the kernel side got mainlined too yeah | 20:07 |
| steev | i did take a look earlier and it's roughly 602 patches on top of 5.14 for rpi support stuff | 20:08 |
| steev | although... | 20:09 |
| Tenkawa | steev: I knew you meant that. I was just pointing out my sadness | 20:09 |
| steev | my radxa zero's should be here next tuesday and i can personally avoid the rpi0s again, hopefully | 20:09 |
| Tenkawa | steev: almost all of the dts/dtb code is missing out of mainline for the rpi's :( | 20:10 |
| steev | i haven't looked at what all is missing, i know you can't use the hardware to the fullest for sure | 20:11 |
| Tenkawa | can't currently use any dtparam's or overlays | 20:11 |
| steev | you can use overlays | 20:11 |
| steev | just not as easily | 20:11 |
| Tenkawa | no | 20:11 |
| Tenkawa | you can't | 20:11 |
| steev | yes you can | 20:11 |
| Tenkawa | not on the bcm2711' | 20:11 |
| steev | go tell kibi it's impossible to use dt overlays in #debian-raspberrypi | 20:11 |
| Tenkawa | maybe on the 2708 and older | 20:11 |
| steev | or tell him to finally get off his duff and write it all up | 20:11 |
| Tenkawa | there is code being "worked on in 5.15-rc" however it is far from complete | 20:13 |
| Tenkawa | and I know nothing about the state of 32 bit | 20:13 |
| Tenkawa | I only deal with 64 bit bcm2711 at this point | 20:14 |
| c0rnelius | there is no official overlay support on the mainline kernel for pis. | 20:18 |
| steev | like i said, it's not as simple as the pifoundation kernel's usage of them, but it's still possible | 20:18 |
| c0rnelius | You would need to bake it in ur self. | 20:18 |
| c0rnelius | They can't even get the CMA memory pool correct running mainline on bcm2711. Also seems like most of the work put in gets reverted by the foundation anyway. | 20:24 |
| c0rnelius | Essentially left with a board that boots and for the most part works. But not to its full potential. | 20:25 |
| c0rnelius | But whatever, its not much different for other boards. There is always a patch you need to apply somewhere :) | 20:29 |
| steev | true that | 21:06 |
| steev | and as a maintainer... trying to chase down all the patches | 21:07 |
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