| Vall | Heh | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| Vall | "khadas vim4" sounds like a text editor | 00:01 |
| Vall | Interesting board. No use for a NPU, tho | 00:12 |
| hyrc | if the feature helps them sell many thousands of units, then the use to you is in driving the unit price down, Vall :) | 00:24 |
| hyrc | however - this is what we should have | 00:24 |
| hyrc | all the people in the world should send me $10 to fund a linux SBC company | 00:25 |
| hyrc | and we will make little graphics cards based on ARM Mali design | 00:25 |
| hyrc | that can be slotted into the m2 slot (a 2-lane pcie) | 00:25 |
| c0rnelius | The problem is Panfrost sucks | 00:25 |
| hyrc | with the money I will hire devs to make it better | 00:26 |
| hyrc | we will support opengles3, opengl, vulkan | 00:26 |
| hyrc | and target a 5-20 watt power profile | 00:26 |
| c0rnelius | The S922X is actually one of the better SoCs on the market right now. | 00:27 |
| hyrc | yes and A311D | 00:27 |
| hyrc | what particularly sucks about panfrost c0rnelius ? | 00:28 |
| c0rnelius | Amlogic does have a problem with `lying` but that is mostly on the S905X line. | 00:28 |
| c0rnelius | hyrc: It's not stable or that's my understanding of it. | 00:29 |
| c0rnelius | I run my board headless for the most part so I don't really care much. | 00:29 |
| c0rnelius | boards* | 00:30 |
| hyrc | i've been running it for about 12 months now and havent had stability issues on A311D | 00:30 |
| c0rnelius | What are you running? | 00:30 |
| hyrc | can you rephrase the question please? | 00:31 |
| c0rnelius | Ur not having stability issues. What is ur use case? | 00:31 |
| hyrc | building every game and emulator that i can | 00:32 |
| hyrc | using the 5.10 kernel from sept 2020 and their mesa master build from approx july | 00:32 |
| c0rnelius | That still hasn't answered the question. OS, Kernel? | 00:32 |
| c0rnelius | ok | 00:32 |
| hyrc | devuan | 00:32 |
| hyrc | xorg and wayfire | 00:32 |
| hyrc | wayfire has glitches driving 4k@ 60hz so i need to drop down to 30hz. | 00:33 |
| hyrc | xorg is fine | 00:33 |
| c0rnelius | Mesa master? 20.3 or above? | 00:33 |
| hyrc | their mesa master from july | 00:34 |
| hyrc | friend always runs latest, and latest kernel | 00:34 |
| hyrc | also no stability issues | 00:34 |
| hyrc | but we find some edge cases that are broken | 00:34 |
| hyrc | and they're not up to opengl 3.3 (yet?) | 00:36 |
| hyrc | again for like three active devs it's brilliant stuff | 00:36 |
| hyrc | reverse engineered too | 00:36 |
| c0rnelius | I do a little retro gaming and I could see where those SoCs would be awesome. But I personally haven't really tested it on that front. | 00:37 |
| c0rnelius | And thats some over priced retro gaming right there. | 00:37 |
| hyrc | you could get an x86 pc with similar performance from the trash yes | 00:38 |
| c0rnelius | Could probs pull it off with the S905X3 I would think? | 00:38 |
| c0rnelius | Be cheaper | 00:38 |
| hyrc | depends on the game and gpu requirements really | 00:38 |
| c0rnelius | For that matter pick up a shit pi4 and accomplish much of the same. | 00:39 |
| hyrc | the amlogic mali gpus aren't in the same leage as nvidia's 2015 tegra | 00:39 |
| hyrc | but i'd feel soiled with a pi4 | 00:40 |
| c0rnelius | Its all closed source somewhere. | 00:40 |
| hyrc | i imagine vim3 pros are more expensive now than when i bought them | 00:40 |
| hyrc | funny how the economic fallout is what the austrian economists predicted it would be | 00:41 |
| c0rnelius | Not gonna boot an amlogic board with out the boot fips :) | 00:41 |
| hyrc | but that's offtopic aside from the topic of prices | 00:41 |
| hyrc | i don't know this boot fips or what it's for | 00:42 |
| c0rnelius | uboot | 00:42 |
| c0rnelius | you need to sign the boot bins before flashing. Need the boot fips for it, which are proprietary. | 00:43 |
| hyrc | i don't see how that serves my interests or security | 00:44 |
| c0rnelius | Just syaing. Its no more dirty than say the RPI. | 00:45 |
| hyrc | oh well i had mental trauma from pi3 instability | 00:45 |
| hyrc | so it's more emotional with me | 00:45 |
| c0rnelius | I'm just speaking logistically | 00:45 |
| hyrc | mhm | 00:46 |
| hyrc | good value, large community. pi4 has a lot going for it | 00:46 |
| hyrc | maybe khadas can send you a vim4 | 00:46 |
| c0rnelius | I'd work on it if they did? | 00:47 |
| hyrc | maybe if they gave you the fips thingy? | 00:47 |
| c0rnelius | Maybe you could put in a good word. | 00:47 |
| c0rnelius | I can find those on my own I'm sure. | 00:47 |
| c0rnelius | But a link would be nice. | 00:48 |
| hyrc | well you make devuan-arm images right | 00:48 |
| c0rnelius | They can actually be compiled. | 00:48 |
| c0rnelius | Official ones? No. I'm not officially apart of the Devuan team. | 00:48 |
| c0rnelius | I do make images though. Yes. | 00:49 |
| hyrc | ok | 00:49 |
| hyrc | maybe you could team up with parazyd and get images ready for vim4 release if they send you guys units | 00:49 |
| hyrc | might not be a lot of work for you | 00:49 |
| hyrc | for my part, i just convert $watever to devuan | 00:50 |
| hyrc | has worked okay so far | 00:50 |
| c0rnelius | Could be done. Most of my efforts go into kernel dev stuff. | 00:50 |
| hyrc | what do you think of the mediatek chromebook soc's | 00:51 |
| hyrc | mtk8172 or what | 00:51 |
| c0rnelius | Making sure everything works on a basic level. I have played around on the desktop and actually use to be a mod on the xfce forum. But I tend to only play with what I have available to me. | 00:51 |
| c0rnelius | I have no opinion on it as I don't own one. | 00:52 |
| hyrc | ok | 00:53 |
| c0rnelius | But here, an issue from 2019? -> https://github.com/armbian/build/issues/1352#issuecomment-952077351 | 00:54 |
| hyrc | the fxtec pro1x manufacturer says they'll get linux on their next qualcomm based phone | 00:54 |
| c0rnelius | Took a look and made it work. | 00:54 |
| * hyrc looks | 00:54 | |
| hyrc | nice job | 00:55 |
| c0rnelius | Also added support for Devuan for it as really its just an init vs systemd at that point. | 00:55 |
| hyrc | Wayback machine / archive.org has bent the knee to the ... and have announced that they will begin going back through the archives to 'fact check' data that is 'bad' | 01:04 |
| hyrc | the memory-holing continues | 01:04 |
| Vall | hyrc: "the use to you is in driving the unit price down" -> good point, hadn't thought of it | 08:32 |
| Vall | "target a 5-20 watt power profile" -> Well, in the range of 15W, I'm waiting for affordable SBCs/mobos based on these beauties here: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_embedded#V2000_Series_.28Zen_2.29 | 08:35 |
| Vall | Granted, 15W is just for the SoC and not for the complete board, but these babies support ECC RAM, which is my greatest gripe re: most (all) of the affordable ARM systems right now | 08:37 |
| Vall | c0rnelius> I run my board headless for the most part so I don't really care much. => ditto here. | 08:38 |
| Vall | hyrc> good value, large community. pi4 has a lot going for it => agreed. I don't like a lot of things about the Pi in general, but considering the whole picture, the Pi4-8GB is pretty hard to beat | 08:44 |
| Vall | That's why I bought one ;-) | 08:45 |
| Vall | c0rnelius> Official ones? No. I'm not officially apart of the Devuan team. => I find it surprising as your work is really great, easily on par with "official". If it's not too much prying, can I ask why? | 08:47 |
| hyrc | maybe it involves a commitment to deliver | 10:23 |
| c0rnelius | Vall: I'm currently not a dev on any team. There is no why, just what it is. | 15:11 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: OK. Normally everything that is, has a "why" -- but I won't pry further ;-) | 15:31 |
| hyrc | hey Vall | 15:35 |
| hyrc | just got my banker friend to drive me around to stock up on real world supplies | 15:36 |
| hyrc | the stores don't seem to demand 'green pass' | 15:36 |
| hyrc | a bullshit mask seems to suffice | 15:36 |
| hyrc | she was mildly perturbed | 15:37 |
| hyrc | as i emptied the shelves of tinned meats | 15:37 |
| hyrc | i see the arc of things | 15:38 |
| hyrc | was nice to get carted around in a 2020 amg mercedes | 15:39 |
| c0rnelius | Vall: Basically my ventures in arm board img creation didn't start with Devuan. Started because I got sick of using vendor imgs, raspios, dietpi, armbian, etc... So I taught my self how to create them and then starting focusing on the Kernel end of things more. Eventually it turned into what it is now and Devuan was added to the list of options because someone asked. | 15:44 |
| c0rnelius | Along the way I got help from peeps like Tenkawa and ShorTie among others. Especially with Devuan, as I knew very little about it. | 15:48 |
| Vall | hey hyrcm how are you doing | 15:54 |
| hyrc | hi Vall | 15:55 |
| hyrc | well some friends helped me today | 15:55 |
| Vall | hyrc == hyrcanus? | 15:55 |
| hyrc | and i walked around with 'masks are useless' mask | 15:55 |
| hyrc | yes | 15:55 |
| Vall | nice to re-meet you then ;-) | 15:56 |
| hyrc | yeh | 15:56 |
| hyrc | joerg of devuan | 15:56 |
| hyrc | bans me and stuff | 15:56 |
| hyrc | well | 15:56 |
| hyrc | he's a good person and contriubtes much | 15:56 |
| hyrc | but i'd like to censor him sometime :) | 15:56 |
| Vall | 2020 AMG Mercedes can't go where my Nissan D22 4WD can ;-) | 15:56 |
| hyrc | yeh | 15:57 |
| hyrc | all cars are so good now | 15:57 |
| hyrc | cheap nissan is 99% of the experience of expensive amg mercedes in town | 15:57 |
| hyrc | but | 15:57 |
| hyrc | i just say, i have rich friends | 15:57 |
| hyrc | that makes me happy | 15:57 |
| Vall | Unless his AMG is something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-AMG_G_63_6x6 | 15:58 |
| hyrc | feh | 15:58 |
| hyrc | me personally i want to make my own 'car' | 15:58 |
| hyrc | it needs to roll, it needs to schlepp groceries | 15:59 |
| hyrc | and it needs to avoid government taxes | 15:59 |
| Vall | grocery-getter ;-) | 15:59 |
| Vall | er, grocery-getter-tax-dodger ;-) | 15:59 |
| hyrc | mhm | 15:59 |
| hyrc | i can build it | 15:59 |
| hyrc | but i have rich girl friend | 16:00 |
| hyrc | who drive me | 16:00 |
| Vall | You mean, build a vehicle with a combustion engine? | 16:00 |
| hyrc | no. the easy is electric | 16:00 |
| Vall | c0rnelius: thanks for the info re: you and Devuan | 16:00 |
| Vall | hyrc: indeed, electric is much easier/more reliable, etc | 16:01 |
| Vall | The problem is range, unless you spend a ton on batteries | 16:01 |
| hyrc | there are use cases where electric is bad | 16:01 |
| hyrc | combustion engines use energy from air | 16:01 |
| hyrc | oxygen | 16:01 |
| hyrc | better energy use | 16:01 |
| Vall | (AFAIK -- I'm no specialist) | 16:02 |
| hyrc | if you need to drive far | 16:02 |
| hyrc | i am nerd about all science | 16:02 |
| Vall | hyrc> combustion engines use energy from air -> good point. | 16:02 |
| Vall | never thought about it that way | 16:02 |
| hyrc | yes | 16:02 |
| hyrc | i was also like 'wow' | 16:02 |
| hyrc | when i learned this | 16:02 |
| hyrc | but it's true | 16:02 |
| Vall | They only need to carry the combustible, the comburant comes from 'free' literally out of thin air | 16:03 |
| Vall | hummrmr | 16:03 |
| hyrc | yeh | 16:03 |
| hyrc | you are a soulmate to me Vall | 16:03 |
| hyrc | let us keep learning | 16:03 |
| Vall | perhaps we should move that to #devuan-offtopic (unless that's where joerg banned you from) | 16:03 |
| hyrc | no i can't talk there | 16:04 |
| Vall | OK | 16:04 |
| Vall | :-/ | 16:04 |
| Vall | If someone objects here, we move over to /msg then | 16:04 |
| hyrc | let's be forgiving of joerg | 16:04 |
| hyrc | there is a lot of pressure | 16:04 |
| hyrc | to behave as he behaves | 16:04 |
| Vall | re: joerg, agreed. | 16:05 |
| Vall | 1 min | 16:05 |
| Vall | back | 16:10 |
| Vall | hyrc> let us keep learning => by all means! | 16:10 |
| Vall | I know next to nothing re EVs | 16:10 |
| Vall | I know quite a bit about batteries and solar charging tho | 16:11 |
| hyrc | well | 16:11 |
| hyrc | i read books | 16:11 |
| hyrc | by peple who get killed for writingthem | 16:12 |
| hyrc | i have survived | 16:12 |
| hyrc | hits | 16:12 |
| hyrc | so | 16:12 |
| hyrc | i know the enemy | 16:12 |
| hyrc | lol | 16:13 |
| hyrc | tell me Vall | 16:13 |
| hyrc | are you white | 16:13 |
| Vall | hyrc> i have survived => OK, just keep reading them and don't start writing ;-) | 16:13 |
| hyrc | are you white | 16:14 |
| Vall | hyrc: I'm more of a mongrel ;-) European from 2 different countries and native american mix | 16:14 |
| Vall | But superficially I look white | 16:15 |
| hyrc | then it is for god to decide | 16:15 |
| Vall | So re: "the enemy" I would be probably a double agent ;-) | 16:15 |
| hyrc | there is a 'white spirit' | 16:15 |
| hyrc | mhm | 16:16 |
| hyrc | let's just try | 16:16 |
| hyrc | to pish | 16:16 |
| hyrc | for whatever we understand as right | 16:16 |
| hyrc | you'lre a hill guy. so happy to talk with you | 16:16 |
| Vall | hyrc: likewise. | 16:17 |
| hyrc | the tlde | 16:17 |
| hyrc | is that jews are evil | 16:18 |
| Vall | re "for god to decide", the allmighty has been disappointingly absent as of late (the last few centuries). | 16:18 |
| hyrc | the holocaust is a lise | 16:18 |
| hyrc | start with that | 16:18 |
| hyrc | the holocaust is a lie | 16:18 |
| hyrc | it was the jews that did ww2 | 16:18 |
| hyrc | ht's fucked up | 16:18 |
| hyrc | but it's true | 16:18 |
| Vall | I do not think the holocaust is a lie. I personally know people who lost family in concentration camps | 16:19 |
| hyrc | lol | 16:19 |
| hyrc | no | 16:19 |
| hyrc | there was no gassings | 16:19 |
| hyrc | that's bullshit | 16:19 |
| hyrc | it's just a fucking flood of lies | 16:19 |
| hyrc | jews are the problem bro | 16:19 |
| Vall | If you mean "the holocaust is a lie" being bullshit, I agree | 16:20 |
| hyrc | no | 16:20 |
| hyrc | the jews did the real holocaust | 16:20 |
| Vall | But the holocaust happened, and killed millions of jews in the process | 16:20 |
| hyrc | they killed 30 million russians | 16:20 |
| hyrc | and then the jews | 16:20 |
| hyrc | set the american and britain europeans | 16:20 |
| hyrc | to fight each other | 16:20 |
| hyrc | total evil | 16:20 |
| hyrc | pure evil | 16:20 |
| hyrc | that's what jews are | 16:21 |
| Vall | re: 30 million russians, I think the number (of URSS people killed during WW2) was more like 20 million | 16:21 |
| hyrc | no | 16:21 |
| hyrc | the jews killed millions | 16:21 |
| hyrc | of whites | 16:21 |
| hyrc | before ww2 | 16:21 |
| hyrc | lol | 16:21 |
| hyrc | learn this | 16:21 |
| hyrc | that was the cause of ww2 | 16:21 |
| Vall | hyrc: I've studied WW2 extensivelly (it was a hobby of mine, came with building airplanes/tanks/ships scale models) and I do not believe this. | 16:22 |
| hyrc | lol | 16:22 |
| hyrc | well suck the dick of your jew master then | 16:22 |
| hyrc | i have all the evidence | 16:23 |
| Vall | There were gas chambers in the extermination camps (KZs) | 16:23 |
| hyrc | no | 16:23 |
| Vall | I even visited one when I traveled in Bavaria | 16:23 |
| hyrc | next time | 16:23 |
| hyrc | the jews will all die | 16:23 |
| hyrc | dbut the germans didn't do it back then | 16:23 |
| hyrc | there was no 'holocaust' | 16:24 |
| Vall | Well, it's got to be a hell of evidence to contradict all the evidence I've seen indicating otherwise | 16:24 |
| hyrc | that's just the jews telling us what they really deserve | 16:25 |
| hyrc | there's no evidence for it | 16:25 |
| hyrc | it is just the jews telling us what they really deserve | 16:25 |
| hyrc | you seem interested in this subject | 16:27 |
| Vall | Again, I've visited the Dachau museum. Besides my studies, I've seen the hard, physical evidence with my own eyes | 16:27 |
| hyrc | read some of the books by the authors that the jews murdered | 16:27 |
| hyrc | of what | 16:27 |
| hyrc | dachau wasn't an extermination camp | 16:27 |
| hyrc | that's admitted now | 16:27 |
| Vall | evidence: of gas chambers and mass killings of jews by the nazis | 16:28 |
| hyrc | ok where | 16:28 |
| hyrc | lol | 16:28 |
| hyrc | the whole thing is ludicrous | 16:28 |
| hyrc | look into it | 16:28 |
| hyrc | and you could send me to prison | 16:29 |
| Vall | hyrc> ok where -> in Dachau | 16:29 |
| hyrc | for saying this | 16:29 |
| hyrc | please do not send me to prison | 16:29 |
| hyrc | can we agree on that | 16:29 |
| hyrc | for starters | 16:29 |
| Vall | hyrc> please do not send me to prison -> I would not, even if I had the power, which I don't | 16:30 |
| hyrc | you can now send me to prison | 16:30 |
| hyrc | nah you can | 16:30 |
| hyrc | so let's just try to be friends and think about this | 16:30 |
| Vall | Well, please tell me how, b/c I have a handful of people I would really like to see behind bars ;-) | 16:30 |
| hyrc | hopefully not me | 16:31 |
| Vall | You are not among them, tho | 16:31 |
| Vall | :-) | 16:31 |
| hyrc | no i just looked ... lol | 16:31 |
| hyrc | i just looked at the revisionists | 16:31 |
| hyrc | and the nazi death camp stories seem false | 16:31 |
| Vall | But I think we better move to /msg. Sending you one now | 16:31 |
| hyrc | due to many things | 16:31 |
| joerg | very bright idea | 17:19 |
| joerg | re >>[30 Oct 2021 16:24:35] <hyrc> there was no 'holocaust'<< is this channel policy faintly related to german criminal laws? If yes then this is a permaban, this statement is punishable by law in Germany | 17:23 |
| joerg | for the chanlog: [30 Oct 2021 17:26:34] <-- hyrc (~hyrc@p57bbe3cc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has left this server (K-Lined). | 17:32 |
| joerg | add this, for completeness http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan-arm/_devuan-arm.2021-10-30.log.html#t2021-10-30T16:18:30 | 17:39 |
| Vall | joerg: yeah I was chatting with him over /msgs when he got K-lined and saw the message | 17:47 |
| Vall | the guy seems to be seriously misguided and/or sick | 17:47 |
| joerg | colloquial: NeoNazi Idiot | 17:48 |
| joerg | I really hope somebody is less lazy than me and actually files a complaint against him at police | 17:49 |
| Vall | joerg: to be fair, I chatted with him here and elsewhere on other topics, and he didn't seem an idiot or evil. But I agree, holocaust denialism and anti-semitism is intolerable. | 17:50 |
| joerg | his statements together with the hostname p57bbe3cc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de and the time should be worth a decent sentence at court | 17:50 |
| Vall | yeah. I think spouting "kill the jews" is right there with screaming "Fire" in a packed theather, ie is not by any means "Free speech" and shold be harshly punished. | 17:51 |
| joerg | and when I say "his" that's actually sexism I shouldn't do - just I can'T believe any female being would act like that | 17:51 |
| Vall | joerg: agreed, hyrc/hyrcanus definitely sounds like a guy | 17:52 |
| Vall | anyway, if the other guys you banned here and on #devuan-offtopic are anything like this, FWIW I think banning is the right call | 17:53 |
| Vall | I'm just curious as to what exactly goes inside the head of someone like that | 17:53 |
| joerg | anyway they used a german ISP and IP-address/hostname, and they uttered criminally punishable statements using that IP. Thanks to libera-staff for giving them a k-line | 17:54 |
| joerg | I banned ONE guy (hyrc) in *-offtopic, and recently nobody in here | 17:55 |
| Vall | joerg: OK, thanks for the clarification | 17:55 |
| joerg | I banned them in *-offtopic for spreading dangerous life-threatening advice / fake news | 17:55 |
| Vall | I've been debating info against the mRNA vaccines with him and Golinux, I actually learned a thing or two while researching what they stated. | 17:56 |
| joerg | offtopic in here | 17:57 |
| Vall | kk | 17:57 |
| Vall | of course | 17:57 |
| Vall | Anyway, thanks for your work moderating the channels. | 18:00 |
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