steev | not enough power to the device maybe? | 00:45 |
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gnarface | pine64_plus? | 01:08 |
gnarface | it's an issue i'd certainly have considered were it a raspberry pi | 01:08 |
gnarface | i have all kinds of whack issues with certain cameras on my raspberry pi | 01:08 |
gnarface | though it has the powered hub plugged into it right now... i could in theory move it to the pine64_plus board later | 01:09 |
gnarface | that's something i can test | 01:09 |
gnarface | it's a rt2500usb, are they known for needing extra juice? | 01:18 |
steev | not really | 01:45 |
steev | i'd guess power or bad cable | 01:45 |
gnarface | hmm.... i wonder if the pine64_plus board needs a usb3-pd enabled port to have enough juice to also power a usb wifi device? | 03:35 |
gnarface | the power supply should match the one in the store i think | 03:35 |
c0rnelius | I know the pine64+ will draw power from a powered usb device which can in some cases screw up the boot process. | 03:36 |
c0rnelius | I use mine as a print server and if I try to boot whilst plugged into the printer it will fail. | 03:37 |
gnarface | hmm, interesting | 03:40 |
c0rnelius | Plus mine doesn't appear to reboot properly which I think was a problem with early batches of the board? It will reboot, but bluetooth for example won't come back. Although wifi does? Still trying to figure that out. | 03:40 |
gnarface | i had noticed that the wifi device seems to pretend to come up but not actually work at all when i reboot, but if i manually ifdown then ifup it after boot it starts working | 03:41 |
gnarface | i had assumed that was a software problem completely separate from the signal strength issue though | 03:41 |
c0rnelius | interesting. Mine comes up fine. | 03:41 |
gnarface | i have had no problems otherwise rebooting and the wired ethernet side seems completely stable | 03:42 |
c0rnelius | these are the only patches i'm currently using https://github.com/pyavitz/debian-image-builder/tree/feature/patches/allwinner/pine64 | 03:42 |
c0rnelius | one is disabled as I haven't noticed the time jump problem in awhile. | 03:42 |
gnarface | hmm, i'm just using a stock kernel source package, but it's possible i'm still missing something important from the config that wasn't included in the defconfig (i added a lot but i'm not 100% sure i got all the important wireless stuff) | 03:43 |
c0rnelius | which kernel are you using? | 03:46 |
c0rnelius | I put mine back on 5.10 LTS as it was very unstable on 5.15 LTS and didn't feel like investigating. One of the issues was rebooting if I recall correctly. | 03:47 |
gnarface | hmm | 03:49 |
c0rnelius | Which was odd because I had it on 5.13 and 5.14 for a whiles and it was fine. | 03:49 |
gnarface | 5.15.5, but no issues rebooting | 03:49 |
c0rnelius | Yeah I don't know. I'm under the impression depending on the batch you got the board behaves differently. | 03:50 |
gnarface | possible | 03:50 |
c0rnelius | Its like the 3 revisions of the rock64 in that sense. Each one has their own problems. | 03:51 |
c0rnelius | This is why I stopped buying Pine stuff. I only got the rock64 because someone was selling them on Amazon for $9. | 03:54 |
c0rnelius | Pine seems to have all these grand ideas but the manufacturing is always half ass. | 03:55 |
c0rnelius | In my experience anyway. | 03:56 |
gnarface | the thing is, i'm not having the problem with the board... the problem is with a usb device i purchased separate and domestically, branded by D-Link | 03:56 |
c0rnelius | whats it a dongle? | 03:57 |
gnarface | yea | 03:57 |
c0rnelius | Oh its just a ralink that should work out off the box | 03:58 |
gnarface | it comes with a extension cable with a big teardrop shaped weight on the end that may be passive or may be supposed to provide boost like the steam controller one does, it's not clear from the instructions (i've tested with and without but it doesn't seem to make a difference; got at most 50% signal strength from inches away with LOS) | 03:58 |
c0rnelius | hmm | 03:59 |
c0rnelius | How does it behave on other boards? | 04:00 |
gnarface | hmm, good question... | 04:00 |
gnarface | i suppose i should try it in something else | 04:00 |
c0rnelius | yeah | 04:00 |
c0rnelius | also have you tried switching ports? | 04:01 |
c0rnelius | my one USB port acts diff then the other on the Pine | 04:01 |
c0rnelius | its tarded | 04:01 |
gnarface | hmm, ports on the pine64_plus board? i guess i should test both but didn't consider that | 04:01 |
c0rnelius | yeah | 04:01 |
gnarface | some vague old forum post i couldn't relocate suggested there might be a need to manually set the alternate antenna with a device related to this one, but the rt2500usb module available in 5.15.5 didn't seem to furnish that option | 04:03 |
gnarface | i guess i just figured it would not work at all if it wasn't getting enough power though | 04:04 |
gnarface | it can sustain a connection up to a few feet away but goes into a disconnect/reconnect loop almost immediately if there isn't constant traffic, like at least a running ping to the gateway | 04:05 |
c0rnelius | well the module that came with my board was RTL8723BS, but ur using a USB ralink. So it would appear to be a power issue or USB issue. | 04:05 |
gnarface | and i am not sure if the issue about there needing to be a constant ping running is even related to the signal strength issue | 04:05 |
c0rnelius | nah I would run some tests on another board. | 04:06 |
c0rnelius | See how it behaves | 04:06 |
gnarface | alright, i'll also probably try it through the the powered usb hub currently doing timelapse on the raspberry pi | 04:06 |
c0rnelius | Well when you find the time | 04:07 |
gnarface | just gotta wait till it's done for todzy | 04:07 |
gnarface | today* | 04:07 |
gnarface | the raspberry pi has these types of power supply issues to the usb ports but it can't even provide half of spec power so that's fairly expected | 04:08 |
c0rnelius | Yeah Pis kind of suck :) | 04:08 |
c0rnelius | niche device for sure | 04:08 |
c0rnelius | In all fairness most of these people over advertise. It will change the world! and then you get it and yeah... It just made it more complicated and disappointing. | 04:10 |
gnarface | if i can get this part working i might at least change something | 04:11 |
c0rnelius | Its almost like watching the news now-a-days. Its more opinion, than news. Its very disappointing. | 04:12 |
c0rnelius | I'm more of a Dragnet kind of guy. If ur old enough to know what that is? `Just the facts!` | 04:14 |
gnarface | so, the powered hub is promising actually but still not a complete fix | 11:57 |
gnarface | i suspect something else must be wrong too because although it increases the signal strength from 2/4 to 3/4 bars, and i can get about 3 times as far away from it without dropping packets now, it still disconnects after only a few seconds with no network traffic | 11:58 |
gnarface | that doesn't seem to have been affected at all by the improvement in signal strength, but the signal strength is still a bar short of the 4/4 bar signals bleeding through from adjacent apartments | 11:59 |
gnarface | ... unless it's still not getting enough power, though at this point that seems less likely | 12:00 |
gnarface | not seeing the "rt2x00usb_watchdog_tx_dma: Warning - TX queue 0 DMA timed out, invoke forced reset" messages anymore on the pine64_plus side, either | 12:01 |
gnarface | you don't think it could be weaker on certain channels than others, could it? | 12:21 |
gnarface | like, notably weaker, like a whole bar weaker even if it's not a crowded channel? | 12:22 |
gnarface | i've heard of devices that couldn't do all the channels, could only do like 1, 6 and 12 or something like that | 12:22 |
gnarface | anyway, just more questions, no real answers | 12:25 |
gnarface | need a supplier of another supported device but couldn't actually locate any of the others | 12:25 |
gnarface | i suspect that although the signal strength is still problematic, the disconnects aren't actually related to the signal strength directly | 12:28 |
gnarface | both might be related to some less apparent power management issue i think | 12:28 |
gnarface | it's clear it's happier with more power | 12:29 |
gnarface | the auto-reconnect seems quicker | 12:29 |
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