libera/#devuan-arm/ Tuesday, 2021-12-21

steevnot enough power to the device maybe?00:45
gnarfacepine64_plus?01:08
gnarfaceit's an issue i'd certainly have considered were it a raspberry pi01:08
gnarfacei have all kinds of whack issues with certain cameras on my raspberry pi01:08
gnarfacethough it has the powered hub plugged into it right now... i could in theory move it to the pine64_plus board later01:09
gnarfacethat's something i can test01:09
gnarfaceit's a rt2500usb, are they known for needing extra juice?01:18
steevnot really01:45
steevi'd guess power or bad cable01:45
gnarfacehmm.... i wonder if the pine64_plus board needs a usb3-pd enabled port to have enough juice to also power a usb wifi device?03:35
gnarfacethe power supply should match the one in the store i think03:35
c0rneliusI know the pine64+ will draw power from a powered usb device which can in some cases screw up the boot process.03:36
c0rneliusI use mine as a print server and if I try to boot whilst plugged into the printer it will fail.03:37
gnarfacehmm, interesting03:40
c0rneliusPlus mine doesn't appear to reboot properly which I think was a problem with early batches of the board? It will reboot, but bluetooth for example won't come back. Although wifi does? Still trying to figure that out.03:40
gnarfacei had noticed that the wifi device seems to pretend to come up but not actually work at all when i reboot, but if i manually ifdown then ifup it after boot it starts working03:41
gnarfacei had assumed that was a software problem completely separate from the signal strength issue though03:41
c0rneliusinteresting. Mine comes up fine.03:41
gnarfacei have had no problems otherwise rebooting and the wired ethernet side seems completely stable03:42
c0rneliusthese are the only patches i'm currently using https://github.com/pyavitz/debian-image-builder/tree/feature/patches/allwinner/pine6403:42
c0rneliusone is disabled as I haven't noticed the time jump problem in awhile.03:42
gnarfacehmm, i'm just using a stock kernel source package, but it's possible i'm still missing something important from the config that wasn't included in the defconfig (i added a lot but i'm not 100% sure i got all the important wireless stuff)03:43
c0rneliuswhich kernel are you using?03:46
c0rneliusI put mine back on 5.10 LTS as it was very unstable on 5.15 LTS and didn't feel like investigating. One of the issues was rebooting if I recall correctly.03:47
gnarfacehmm03:49
c0rneliusWhich was odd because I had it on 5.13 and 5.14 for a whiles and it was fine.03:49
gnarface5.15.5, but no issues rebooting03:49
c0rneliusYeah I don't know. I'm under the impression depending on the batch you got the board behaves differently.03:50
gnarfacepossible03:50
c0rneliusIts like the 3 revisions of the rock64 in that sense. Each one has their own problems.03:51
c0rneliusThis is why I stopped buying Pine stuff. I only got the rock64 because someone was selling them on Amazon for $9.03:54
c0rneliusPine seems to have all these grand ideas but the manufacturing is always half ass.03:55
c0rneliusIn my experience anyway.03:56
gnarfacethe thing is, i'm not having the problem with the board... the problem is with a usb device i purchased separate and domestically, branded by D-Link03:56
c0rneliuswhats it a dongle?03:57
gnarfaceyea03:57
c0rneliusOh its just a ralink that should work out off the box03:58
gnarfaceit comes with a extension cable with a big teardrop shaped weight on the end that may be passive or may be supposed to provide boost like the steam controller one does, it's not clear from the instructions (i've tested with and without but it doesn't seem to make a difference; got at most 50% signal strength from inches away with LOS)03:58
c0rneliushmm03:59
c0rneliusHow does it behave on other boards?04:00
gnarfacehmm, good question...04:00
gnarfacei suppose i should try it in something else04:00
c0rneliusyeah04:00
c0rneliusalso have you tried switching ports?04:01
c0rneliusmy one USB port acts diff then the other on the Pine04:01
c0rneliusits tarded04:01
gnarfacehmm, ports on the pine64_plus board?  i guess i should test both but didn't consider that04:01
c0rneliusyeah04:01
gnarfacesome vague old forum post i couldn't relocate suggested there might be a need to manually set the alternate antenna with a device related to this one, but the rt2500usb module available in 5.15.5 didn't seem to furnish that option04:03
gnarfacei guess i just figured it would not work at all if it wasn't getting enough power though04:04
gnarfaceit can sustain a connection up to a few feet away but goes into a disconnect/reconnect loop almost immediately if there isn't constant traffic, like at least a running ping to the gateway04:05
c0rneliuswell the module that came with my board was RTL8723BS, but ur using a USB ralink. So it would appear to be a power issue or USB issue.04:05
gnarfaceand i am not sure if the issue about there needing to be a constant ping running is even related to the signal strength issue04:05
c0rneliusnah I would run some tests on another board.04:06
c0rneliusSee how it behaves04:06
gnarfacealright, i'll also probably try it through the the powered usb hub currently doing timelapse on the raspberry pi04:06
c0rneliusWell when you find the time04:07
gnarfacejust gotta wait till it's done for todzy04:07
gnarfacetoday*04:07
gnarfacethe raspberry pi has these types of power supply issues to the usb ports but it can't even provide half of spec power so that's fairly expected04:08
c0rneliusYeah Pis kind of suck :)04:08
c0rneliusniche device for sure04:08
c0rneliusIn all fairness most of these people over advertise. It will change the world! and then you get it and yeah... It just made it more complicated and disappointing.04:10
gnarfaceif i can get this part working i might at least change something04:11
c0rneliusIts almost like watching the news now-a-days. Its more opinion, than news. Its very disappointing.04:12
c0rneliusI'm more of a Dragnet kind of guy. If ur old enough to know what that is? `Just the facts!`04:14
gnarfaceso, the powered hub is promising actually but still not a complete fix11:57
gnarfacei suspect something else must be wrong too because although it increases the signal strength from 2/4 to 3/4 bars, and i can get about 3 times as far away from it without dropping packets now, it still disconnects after only a few seconds with no network traffic11:58
gnarfacethat doesn't seem to have been affected at all by the improvement in signal strength, but the signal strength is still a bar short of the 4/4 bar signals bleeding through from adjacent apartments11:59
gnarface... unless it's still not getting enough power, though at this point that seems less likely12:00
gnarfacenot seeing the "rt2x00usb_watchdog_tx_dma: Warning - TX queue 0 DMA timed out, invoke forced reset" messages anymore on the pine64_plus side, either12:01
gnarfaceyou don't think it could be weaker on certain channels than others, could it?12:21
gnarfacelike, notably weaker, like a whole bar weaker even if it's not a crowded channel?12:22
gnarfacei've heard of devices that couldn't do all the channels, could only do like 1, 6 and 12 or something like that12:22
gnarfaceanyway, just more questions, no real answers12:25
gnarfaceneed a supplier of another supported device but couldn't actually locate any of the others12:25
gnarfacei suspect that although the signal strength is still problematic, the disconnects aren't actually related to the signal strength directly12:28
gnarfaceboth might be related to some less apparent power management issue i think12:28
gnarfaceit's clear it's happier with more power12:29
gnarfacethe auto-reconnect seems quicker12:29

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