| c0rnelius | Debian and Ubuntu can both debootstrap Devuan just fine. You just need to install: devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb; and create the needed /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts links manually. | 00:04 |
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| rrq | .. and remember to use --no-merged-usr of course, if debian's still offer that | 00:07 |
| c0rnelius | I never use that. Could be a thing... I don't know. | 00:08 |
| rrq | c0rnelius: have you compared the scripting to make sure? or is it a "seems to be fine" thingy? | 00:09 |
| c0rnelius | I'm saying. Seems to be fine not doing that. | 00:09 |
| c0rnelius | I have two builders that have Devuan as an option and I've never run into a problem there. | 00:10 |
| c0rnelius | Personally I don't understand why Devuan has an exclusive debootstrap. Makes you take extra steps if using the OS as a build host for anything but Devuan and is not really needed from what I can tell. | 00:13 |
| gnarface | it at least used to be that debian refused to add devuan releases as valid to their version (despite already having ubuntu and several others) | 00:14 |
| gnarface | i dunno if or when that got fixed, but it's come up a few times before | 00:15 |
| gnarface | i wouldn't be surprised if the version of debian corresponding to ascii still doesn't have the fix | 00:15 |
| c0rnelius | debian and ubuntu I don't think have chimaera or anything above it. but its pretty simple to just symlink of sid. which honestly most of those scripts options are. | 00:16 |
| c0rnelius | off sid* | 00:16 |
| gnarface | that said, i'm pretty sure this jason1236 is just a griefer and whatever solution you provide he'll ultimately refuse | 00:17 |
| c0rnelius | well I won't provide then :) | 00:17 |
| c0rnelius | I was just talking since it came up. | 00:18 |
| c0rnelius | seemed to build fine to me: 87956 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 90062240 Mar 31 18:25 devuan-ascii-rootfs-armel.tar.xz | 00:28 |
| c0rnelius | not sure why anyone would want to run that old beast though. | 00:29 |
| jason1236 | gnarface: a lot of people believe to be good programmers, but they are not. you can fix your script (debian works fine, with debootstrap). | 00:35 |
| jason1236 | I just installed stable armel on pandora, of debian. I will try with stable to see how it does fetch devuan (out of debian stable armel, from pandora). | 00:37 |
| onefang | I've been experimenting with mmdebstrap instead of debootstrap for the last week. One of it's features is the ability to create a system for some architecture that isn't the one you are running on. I've not tested that part yet. And I DO get an unmerged usr system with no effort when building a chimaera system. Much to my annoyance, I wanted to try the merged version this time, but at least there's | 01:28 |
| onefang | a script for doing that. | 01:28 |
| c0rnelius | you mean debootstrap armel using say aarch64 system? | 01:31 |
| bb|hcb | debootstrap armel on an aarch64 is seamless under Devuan... | 03:47 |
| steev | onefang: debootstrap handles that too | 05:55 |
| steev | that being alternative arches | 05:56 |
| onefang | mmdebstrap lies then, it says that's one of it's differences. lol | 06:04 |
| onefang | I'm not using it for that though anyway. | 06:04 |
| onefang | Ah "can setup foreign architecture chroots using qemu-user". Not sure how debootstrap does that, never tried it. I'll get to trying it eventually. | 06:06 |
| rrq | possibly the difference is more in that mmdebstrap uses apt to resolve dependencies whereas (I think) debootstrap has its own | 06:10 |
| onefang | That's one of the listed differences. | 06:11 |
| rrq | yeah .. probably good cross-pollination between them; it's not a competition | 06:12 |
| onefang | I'm currently changing my usual Devuan install script from debootstrap to mmdebstrap, to test it, and coz I need to update it to Chimaera. | 06:13 |
| onefang | So far so good. | 06:13 |
| onefang | Later I'll adapt it to build Devuan build bot VMs, then I'll need to mess with different archs, including ARM. | 06:14 |
| rrq | re armel, some year ago I had a hard time finding a true armel emulation with qemu; one with a kernel option only "versatilepb" wirh "arm926", using 4.19.0-versatile ... that one sported 256M ram only so needed some creativity | 06:16 |
| onefang | My desktop has 256 GB RAM, no creativity needed. B-) | 06:39 |
| steev | onefang: old(er?) versions of debootstrap couldn't handle it, but at some point, that went away, and it can do it now | 16:44 |
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