libera/#devuan-dev/ Sunday, 2018-05-27

KatolaZfsmithred: you here by any chance?23:06
fsmithredyes23:06
fsmithredhi23:06
fsmithredKatolaZ, what's up?23:06
KatolaZregarding the non-free firmwares23:07
KatolaZis there anything missing in netinst then?23:07
KatolaZI couldn't follow the thread on DNG23:07
KatolaZvery bad quoting and don't understand who said what23:07
fsmithredyeah, breaking up posts into paragraphs would be a good skill for some to learn23:08
fsmithredproblem is this...23:08
fsmithredthe firmware package doesn't contain the firmware23:08
fsmithredit contains an installer that pulls the firmware down from network23:08
KatolaZyep23:09
KatolaZI know23:09
KatolaZthat's what I tried to explain to Dan Pridgeon23:09
fsmithredso that happens when we build the live isos23:09
KatolaZbut netinst can't23:09
fsmithredunless you have a wire23:09
KatolaZoh sure23:09
fsmithredI sent him the file he needs23:09
fsmithredbut that's not a universal solution23:09
KatolaZwhich can be pulled off the windows drivers, BTW23:09
KatolaZI guess b43-fwcutter pulls down the wn drivers23:10
KatolaZat least it did so back in the days23:10
KatolaZI had one of those chipsets in 2009-201023:10
fsmithredbunch of .fw files get downloaded23:10
KatolaZI guess there is no way around that23:11
fsmithredonly solution I can think of would be to include all those .fw files in the netinstall23:11
KatolaZwe can't distribute those files23:11
fsmithredand even then, the user would have to copy them to usb23:11
KatolaZthat's why they are downloaded by b43-fwcutter23:11
KatolaZnope23:11
KatolaZI am pretty sure we can't distribute them23:11
fsmithredwell, they're in the desktop-live23:12
KatolaZmmmhhh23:12
fsmithredI looked at the licenses for the packages, and I didn't see anything that says we can't distribute them23:13
fsmithredand does say we can distribute as long as some conditions are met23:13
KatolaZfsmithred: they are not even in non-free....23:13
fsmithredyeah, just the packages23:13
KatolaZit's like the flashplugin I guess23:14
KatolaZend-users can download it for free23:14
fsmithredI guess23:14
KatolaZbut it cannot be distributed23:14
KatolaZwe should be very careful with this stuff23:14
fsmithredwhere can we find out?23:14
fsmithredI can remove those packages from the list23:14
fsmithredthat's easy23:15
KatolaZwell, if the stuff is not in non-free, then we are pretty sure there is some restriction to distribution23:15
fsmithredI thought stuff just had to not be fully open-source to get into non-free23:16
KatolaZthose are not even in non-free :D23:16
fsmithredediting config...23:17
KatolaZI should do the same I guess23:17
KatolaZI think I used the same list in minimal-live23:17
KatolaZwhich files should I look for?23:18
KatolaZto check if they got installed in minimal-live?23:18
fsmithredb43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer and -legacy-installer23:18
fsmithredI'll check bnx2 and 2x to see if they pull anything from net. I can install in a refracta iso.23:18
KatolaZoki23:19
fsmithredcouple minutes23:19
fsmithredbnx2, bnx2x and brcm80211 all install without network23:22
fsmithredI'm checking the others, too.23:29
fsmithredKatolaZ, I don't see any others that pull anything from the net23:40
KatolaZgreat23:51
KatolaZso it's just  b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer?23:51

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