Harzilein | hi | 06:17 |
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Harzilein | do i get it right, the ci doesn't care about pristine tarballs? | 06:18 |
Harzilein | was that a deliberate decision? -.- | 06:18 |
golinux | Harzilein: You might want to look at this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 | 06:24 |
golinux | I am not a packager but I know that we are very picky about sources. | 06:26 |
Harzilein | i'm not sure that thread (either original post or replies) answer my question | 06:27 |
golinux | I haven't ever heard of a devuan package being built from a tarball | 06:28 |
Harzilein | it seems the ci logs indicate (will check after reading jenkins-debian-glue) that the ci builds from whatever is in the upstream branch rather than any pristine-tar branch | 06:28 |
golinux | Yes. | 06:28 |
Harzilein | golinux: so they'll have an orig.tar.gz that differs from what upstream releases | 06:28 |
golinux | Honestly I don;t know enough to be totally sure. I do know that the source of some work I've done was nearly impossible to find acceptable source | 06:30 |
NewGnuGuy | ping Irrwahn | 09:03 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: what's the problem? | 10:15 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: i'm not sure if the omission of the pristine-tar branch is systematic, and also if it were present the ci glue stuff would change the gbp settings to use it | 10:23 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: the devuan pipeline is based on git | 10:24 |
KatolaZ | so by default packages are built from the corresponding suite branch | 10:24 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: that's quite irrelevant for the question if devuan ignores the practice of preserving upstream tarballs except in case of dfsg-based omissions of files | 10:25 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: hold on | 10:25 |
KatolaZ | brb | 10:25 |
parazyd | Harzilein: tarballs are made out of git tags | 10:26 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: but you are right, it only _surfaces_ on devuan because the debian-ci runs from uploaded tarballs. | 10:26 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: namely | 10:26 |
KatolaZ | tarballs are made out of the corresponding suite branch | 10:27 |
Harzilein | parazyd: the _orig_ tarballs should be massaged to the original tarballs by deltas provided in the pristine-tar branch though | 10:27 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: if the package uses a pristine tar, then it can be used by the ci | 10:27 |
KatolaZ | but again, what is the issue at hand | 10:27 |
KatolaZ | ? | 10:27 |
KatolaZ | having a pipeline based on git simplifies a lot of stuff actually | 10:28 |
KatolaZ | and it's easier to keep track of changes between minor releases | 10:28 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: it happens that debian _currently_ does not have a pristine-tar delta for the package i'm looking at either, but i _think_ it's still their policy to have them | 10:28 |
KatolaZ | since you have tagged builds | 10:28 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: ask debian then :) | 10:28 |
KatolaZ | also Debian is moving towards a git pipeline | 10:29 |
KatolaZ | most new packages are only managed in git repos | 10:29 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: it's about util linux. your repo doesn't have pristine-tar even for the historical version, while debian's has | 10:29 |
KatolaZ | with a git workflow | 10:29 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: so? | 10:29 |
KatolaZ | you have the entire tree | 10:29 |
KatolaZ | with the whole history | 10:29 |
KatolaZ | and the corresponding tags | 10:29 |
KatolaZ | just checkout the tag corresponding to the version | 10:30 |
KatolaZ | and you have the pristine-tar | 10:30 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: it's _not_ the pristine tar | 10:30 |
Harzilein | it's _a_ tar | 10:30 |
Harzilein | basically i find it wasteful that, say, a non-dfsg orig.tar.gz with the careless omission of pristine tar deltas can no longer double as a freebsd distfile | 10:31 |
Harzilein | or the other way around | 10:31 |
Harzilein | instead the tarred up upstream sourcetree becomes a devuan specific build artefact | 10:32 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: the fact that is generated automatically from the git commit rather than from the dev makes it more an "artifact"? | 10:33 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 10:33 |
Harzilein | in the delta'd case it'd not be a _new_ artefact, so less proliferation of repackagings | 10:34 |
KatolaZ | still miss the concrete point, but I am sure it's my fault :\ | 10:35 |
Irrwahn | NewGnuGuy: Only here for a quick break. What's up? | 10:38 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: i'll try to find a better example than util-linux to make my case because i suspect that will have this functionality "deliberately" broken in debian too, but likely for other reasons than in devuan. i'm still wondering if it's deliberate or careless, that's all. bear with me for a minute while i search repos. | 10:41 |
Harzilein | +for some time | 10:41 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: have no time for that now, sorry | 10:41 |
KatolaZ | we might try in 10-12 hours | 10:42 |
KatolaZ | I am at work now :\ | 10:42 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: i might actually stick my head out and try the mailing list... | 10:42 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: wonder what it'll do to my weak spam filtering non-infrastructure | 10:42 |
KatolaZ | uh? | 10:42 |
KatolaZ | what are you talking about? | 10:43 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 10:43 |
KatolaZ | there is no spam on the mailing list | 10:43 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: sorry, you are dense. if i post to the mailing list i can expect for my address to be picked up by spambots. | 10:44 |
KatolaZ | no it won't | 10:44 |
KatolaZ | devuan does not sell addresses to spambots... :D | 10:44 |
Harzilein | -.- | 10:44 |
KatolaZ | and the addresses are not public | 10:44 |
Harzilein | okay, you are toying with me now | 10:44 |
KatolaZ | and they are never advertised | 10:44 |
KatolaZ | no really | 10:44 |
KatolaZ | you are not in any mailing list? | 10:45 |
KatolaZ | O_O | 10:45 |
Irrwahn | It's only a single data point, but I never, ever have received any spam that could be traced back to me posting on DNG. | 10:46 |
Harzilein | as i said, occasionally i stick my head out. with the filtered archives it tends to taper out _eventually_, but yours would be the first one that'd not eventually be found by some far eastern script... | 10:46 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: the archive are public but there is no email address there | 10:46 |
KatolaZ | they are all stripped out | 10:46 |
KatolaZ | ... | 10:46 |
Harzilein | KatolaZ: there's spambots subscribing to bugzillas to get unfiltered emails... just as a datapoint | 10:47 |
KatolaZ | have a look by yourself | 10:47 |
KatolaZ | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180528.191849.552b0d07.en.html | 10:47 |
KatolaZ | Harzilein: this is not bugzilla :) | 10:47 |
Harzilein | "subscribing" should give you a clue what i mean | 10:47 |
* KatolaZ shrugs | 10:48 | |
KatolaZ | then keep your head under the sand | 10:48 |
KatolaZ | stay warm ;) | 10:48 |
fsmithred | KatolaZ, I just pushed the latest changes to cpdp theme in suites/ascii | 12:01 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: cool | 12:03 |
KatolaZ | great | 12:03 |
KatolaZ | we should rebuilt it then | 12:03 |
fsmithred | ok | 12:04 |
KatolaZ | and rebuild also refractainstaller, right? | 12:04 |
KatolaZ | and the -gui? | 12:04 |
fsmithred | I didn't bother to do a testbuild | 12:04 |
fsmithred | yes | 12:04 |
KatolaZ | ok | 12:04 |
KatolaZ | it's in ascii, right? | 12:04 |
fsmithred | one slight problem I noticed | 12:04 |
fsmithred | yes, ascii | 12:04 |
fsmithred | refractainstaller-base gave me a complaint when I tried d1h testbuild | 12:04 |
fsmithred | but works ok with dpkg-buildpackage | 12:05 |
fsmithred | I can try it again to get the message | 12:05 |
fsmithred | not -base, -gui | 12:07 |
fsmithred | HEAD is now at 3222e0b remove Recommends | 12:07 |
fsmithred | testbuild error | 12:07 |
KatolaZ | uh? | 12:08 |
KatolaZ | you are in a detached branch | 12:08 |
fsmithred | gbp:error: You are not on branch 'suites/experimental' but on 'suites/ascii' | 12:08 |
fsmithred | gbp:error: Use --git-ignore-branch to ignore or --git-debian-branch to set the branch name. | 12:08 |
KatolaZ | oh ok | 12:08 |
KatolaZ | it's the gbp.conf | 12:08 |
fsmithred | that's refractainstaller-gui | 12:08 |
fsmithred | ok, I'll edit | 12:09 |
KatolaZ | no need, indeed | 12:09 |
KatolaZ | since it's ignored | 12:09 |
fsmithred | delete? | 12:09 |
KatolaZ | forget :) | 12:09 |
fsmithred | ok | 12:09 |
fsmithred | but the testbuild fails | 12:09 |
KatolaZ | yeah | 12:11 |
KatolaZ | nop | 12:11 |
KatolaZ | np | 12:11 |
fsmithred | minor annoyance | 12:11 |
KatolaZ | I hav eto change that in d1h | 12:11 |
fsmithred | ah, ok | 12:11 |
enyc | Aside: I'm wondering what might be devuans' position on toggling things like bufferbloat-fixes in sysctl... [ipv4.tcp_ecn=1 core.default_qdisc=fq_codel]. The latter may be on in debian already but only if systemd-booted.... I will try to get some of these things into debian and upstream kernel, oddly-enough both ubuntu and systemd being helpful about deploying for wider-exposure. | 12:33 |
enyc | You get these chicken-and-egg-problems, nobody wants to be first, etc... -- somebody has to 'just do it' and so-on... | 12:38 |
KatolaZ | enyc: I genuinely don't understand what you are talking about | 12:39 |
golinux | <fsmithred> KatolaZ, I just pushed the latest changes to cpdp theme in suites/ascii | 18:16 |
golinux | Thanks. Much appreciated. | 18:16 |
fsmithred | yw. I didn't try to build it, because last time I tried, I didnt have build privs. Not sure if that's been fixed or not. | 18:17 |
golinux | KatolaZ: ^^^ | 18:18 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: which package? | 18:29 |
KatolaZ | clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme-source <- ? | 18:29 |
KatolaZ | building now | 18:34 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: why did you change the version number? | 18:38 |
KatolaZ | please leave it as 7.0.1-1+devuanX.Y | 18:38 |
KatolaZ | e.g., X.Y = 2.1 | 18:39 |
fsmithred | oh, ok | 18:53 |
fsmithred | will fix that | 18:53 |
fsmithred | done | 18:54 |
fsmithred | I saw the -1 and thought I had added that. | 18:55 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: is this a properly-devuan package? | 19:07 |
KatolaZ | meaning, does is exist in Debian? | 19:07 |
KatolaZ | let me have a look | 19:07 |
fsmithred | clearlooks-phenix is in debian | 19:08 |
fsmithred | this is modified from that | 19:08 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: I eventually bumped the version | 19:30 |
KatolaZ | and added an upstream branch | 19:30 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: built | 19:33 |
fsmithred | ok, thanks. | 19:37 |
KatolaZ | nw | 19:50 |
fsmithred | KatolaZ, also, whenever you get a chance, refractainstaller-base and -gui | 19:53 |
KatolaZ | sure | 19:54 |
KatolaZ | now | 19:54 |
golinux | KatolaZ: Does this relate to the lsb stuff? https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=9615#p9615 | 19:54 |
golinux | Thanks for getting that done, KatolaZ. | 19:55 |
KatolaZ | golinux: they don't even mention *what* gave them the message.... | 19:55 |
KatolaZ | :\ | 19:55 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: both built | 19:56 |
fsmithred | maybe - someone was talking about a missing file in the past couple days | 19:56 |
fsmithred | thanks | 19:56 |
KatolaZ | nw | 19:57 |
fsmithred | I can apt-get update and install from beowulf without getting any errors | 20:08 |
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