| fsmithred | KatolaZ, are you here? Before you upgrade refracta8, you need to remove the pin on *systemd* to allow libsystemd0. | 01:46 |
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| AlexLikeRock | dear maintainers : | 07:03 |
| AlexLikeRock | pleas MIGRATE from M$/GITHUB to git.devuan.org | 07:05 |
| AlexLikeRock | https://github.com/devuan/jenkins-debian-glue | 07:05 |
| AlexLikeRock | please, think about M$ its evil and take ALL CONTROLL OF Github :'( | 07:06 |
| KatolaZ | AlexLikeRock: uh? | 07:58 |
| KatolaZ | all devuan packages are on git.devuan.org | 07:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | but this not ! | 08:11 |
| AlexLikeRock | https://github.com/devuan/jenkins-debian-glue | 08:11 |
| KatolaZ | again, look at git.devuan.org | 08:17 |
| KatolaZ | there is nothing in Devuan that s not in git.devuan.org | 08:17 |
| KatolaZ | I don't know if project are also hosted on github | 08:17 |
| KatolaZ | but anything related to devuan is present and uptodate in git.devuan.org | 08:17 |
| Centurion_Dan | AlexLikeRock: It's an early version of it... the real thing is in git.devuan.org ;-) | 08:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | dear maintainer : could you delet , before M$ say: " this its my code, i am the owner " | 08:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | or some like that | 08:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | :-P | 08:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | you now what i mean ... | 08:47 |
| obeardly | Hello all! Sorry I haven't been around. | 20:12 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi | 20:17 |
| golinux | Welcome homs | 20:19 |
| golinux | home | 20:19 |
| KatolaZ | hi there | 21:10 |
| KatolaZ | I might be able to briefly appear at the meeting | 21:11 |
| KatolaZ | just to say hi :) | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | are we having a meeting today? | 22:01 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: dunno | 22:02 |
| KatolaZ | I thought we had one | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | ok, I have to finish eating then take a shower | 22:03 |
| fsmithred | should be done in time | 22:03 |
| jaromil | cool. i'm editing the pad | 22:13 |
| golinux | I'm on jitsi if anyone wants to join me. | 22:28 |
| msiism | golinux: still need to sort out issues with my sound setup, sorry. | 22:32 |
| jaromil | the pad is very nice | 22:32 |
| jaromil | i have added all my notes to it | 22:32 |
| jaromil | and already acted on one point (linuxquestions) | 22:33 |
| jaromil | canont join the video call sry | 22:33 |
| jaromil | will wait that fsmithred is back then start a bit to go through here | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | back. will be in chatroom soon. | 22:38 |
| KatolaZ | sorry guys | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | will not join | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | poor bw and other commitments | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | will work on the pad in the next few days | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | have a good one | 22:42 |
| KatolaZ | ;) | 22:42 |
| msiism | so, is the text part also happening on jitsi? | 22:43 |
| jaromil | no its happening here | 22:46 |
| fsmithred | two of us are talking | 22:46 |
| jaromil | the text part | 22:46 |
| golinux | Two of us are on jitsi | 22:46 |
| msiism | so? | 22:47 |
| golinux | We're having a nice chat | 22:48 |
| jaromil | we can start a round of discussion here on text as planned but feel free to join jitsi | 22:48 |
| msiism | golinux: glad to hear that. | 22:48 |
| KatolaZ | I might be around here for a while though | 22:48 |
| jaromil | 1. outreach | 22:49 |
| jaromil | proposal to have a weekly / monthly blog and doubts on maintainability | 22:49 |
| msiism | ok, i have a comment on this, but i don't have to go first. | 22:49 |
| * jaromil wrote comment on pad, available to elaborate | 22:50 | |
| msiism | ok, well i think that golinux has a fair point there. and my suggestion or idea would be this: | 22:50 |
| msiism | the progress of things in devuan is already being documented in several places, isn't it? like changelogs and such? | 22:51 |
| msiism | i mean, development has to be documented in some way anyway. so, why not rather point people who are interedted to these sources? | 22:51 |
| msiism | it's less work for devuan and a nice kind of educating users, i'd say. | 22:52 |
| golinux | Last newsletter was https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-02/issue-028 | 22:52 |
| golinux | Doing those was an exhausting marathon. | 22:52 |
| jaromil | msiism: i like your point but still think there are different languages, formats and lengths for news | 22:52 |
| golinux | Does Devuan have a blog set up (not in git) | 22:53 |
| msiism | jaromil: ok, i totally forgot the languages part. | 22:53 |
| jaromil | nope | 22:53 |
| golinux | Can that be done on the ephemeral mediawiki? | 22:53 |
| msiism | golinux: it was even planned. | 22:54 |
| golinux | Well, that seems like the solution. | 22:54 |
| msiism | to have a news and announcements section | 22:54 |
| golinux | That's different from a blog | 22:54 |
| msiism | but media wiki does not have an ETA yet | 22:54 |
| golinux | I've noticed | 22:54 |
| golinux | (typing sucks) | 22:54 |
| msiism | golinux: ok, well a wiki is different from a blog then. | 22:55 |
| jaromil | i guess a core feature of such a "blog" really is the availability of an rss for aggregation | 22:55 |
| jaromil | i am aggregating some feeds here https://planet.dyne.org/devuan/ | 22:55 |
| * msiism bookmarks that | 22:56 | |
| msiism | well, i think the easiest way would be to have an e-mail newsletter at this point in time. | 22:56 |
| golinux | Very slow to open. and | 22:56 |
| golinux | Your connection is not private | 22:57 |
| golinux | Attackers might be trying to steal your information from planet.dyne.org (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). NET::ERR_CERT_COMMON_NAME_INVALID | 22:57 |
| golinux | Not ready for primetime | 22:57 |
| jaromil | i'm not suggesting to use that aggregator as blog. its for my own use...and yours if you like | 22:58 |
| jaromil | it aggregates google searches, devuan's reddit and a few other things which may or may not be anymore online | 22:59 |
| msiism | ok, well, as i've said, i think having a newsleter is the least work technically. if there should be a blog, it would be nice to have that integrated with the website somehow. | 22:59 |
| jaromil | if anyone plans to have an aggregator i can provide the list of rss i've got together so far | 22:59 |
| KatolaZ | I think a blog might be honorous | 22:59 |
| KatolaZ | but dunno | 23:00 |
| KatolaZ | we should also acknowledge leloft | 23:00 |
| * jaromil thinks (website integration -> rss) (newsletter -> wiki page and someone sends weekly) | 23:00 | |
| KatolaZ | who is doing a terrific job with DSAs | 23:00 |
| jaromil | yep | 23:00 |
| golinux | <msiism> ok, well, as i've said, i think having a newsleter is the least work technically. | 23:00 |
| * golinux remembers the nightmare of preparing the newsletter | 23:00 | |
| msiism | golinux: i mean in comparison to setting up a blog. maybe i'm wron there. | 23:01 |
| msiism | golinux: what was the problem (if i may ask)? | 23:01 |
| KatolaZ | msiism: perfectionism ;) | 23:01 |
| msiism | :) | 23:02 |
| golinux | You get hellekin, joerg and golinux together and . . . | 23:02 |
| KatolaZ | ...and you never get a newsletter ;D | 23:02 |
| golinux | Something like that | 23:03 |
| jaromil | lol | 23:03 |
| msiism | golinux: but that's not a "technical" problem, is it? | 23:03 |
| jaromil | i can see that happenind :D | 23:03 |
| KatolaZ | I understand being accurate and precise and everything for announcements | 23:03 |
| golinux | In the end it's always a people problem | 23:03 |
| KatolaZ | but a newsletter should be easier | 23:03 |
| KatolaZ | and lighter | 23:03 |
| jaromil | I think a very short "newsletter item" could be posted every week or month | 23:03 |
| KatolaZ | it could also incorporate something from the feeds | 23:03 |
| jaromil | to: dng, reddit and twitter (somehow with a solution allowing comments) | 23:04 |
| jaromil | its about making up 2-3 paragraphs and links to news in a short and plain form | 23:04 |
| golinux | Sounds so simple . . . | 23:04 |
| golinux | It's not | 23:04 |
| KatolaZ | golinux: it has to be simple | 23:04 |
| msiism | maybe it doesn't have to be a letter, just sort of a publicly accesible changelog of what's going on. | 23:04 |
| golinux | if there is to be any quality. | 23:04 |
| KatolaZ | without playing too much with words | 23:04 |
| KatolaZ | short and to the point | 23:05 |
| jaromil | not many hands on deck. one writes, others just point out possible items | 23:05 |
| KatolaZ | this might be also a way to help people help devuan | 23:05 |
| KatolaZ | yep | 23:05 |
| golinux | Why can't this just be done on the wiki? A space where any one can post to a news thread | 23:05 |
| jaromil | oneliners with link, not telenovela | 23:05 |
| jaromil | because then quality is an issue and quantity too | 23:05 |
| jaromil | IMHO | 23:06 |
| KatolaZ | golinux: because newsletter gotta be pushed in yout letter-box :) | 23:06 |
| golinux | A devuan twitter | 23:06 |
| golinux | ? | 23:06 |
| KatolaZ | s/yout/your/ | 23:06 |
| jaromil | devuan is already on twitter :^) | 23:06 |
| KatolaZ | there is twitter already | 23:06 |
| jaromil | with quite an active following | 23:06 |
| golinux | You missed my point | 23:06 |
| golinux | it was subtle | 23:06 |
| jaromil | and all what gets there is also pushed on (hold fast) facebook | 23:06 |
| jaromil | i think putin paid us a couple boosts | 23:07 |
| jaromil | JOKIN | 23:07 |
| golinux | (this is going downhull fast) | 23:07 |
| msiism | golinux: the wiki is not the right tool for this, i think. | 23:07 |
| golinux | It's a tool that we have set up | 23:07 |
| msiism | also, the wiki is currently not in the best state. | 23:07 |
| msiism | i mean structurally... | 23:08 |
| jaromil | ok so the communication architecture cannot be vague | 23:08 |
| jaromil | in case of a "blog by devuan" then we need an editor in charge | 23:08 |
| jaromil | if we want to aggregate anyone willing to say something weekly about devuan, the solutions are different | 23:09 |
| jaromil | not about putting everyone on the same wiki page, rather aggregate any interesting channel from RSS | 23:09 |
| jaromil | so if you like to open a space on gnusocial, diaspora, mastodon, twister, you nameit, that's fine | 23:09 |
| msiism | i kind of like how redox devs do their news (https://redox-os.org/news/) | 23:10 |
| jaromil | i am not a big fan of grouping people on one platform, rather aggregate from their own choices | 23:10 |
| jaromil | but that doesn't ends up being a "devuan blog" or newsletter | 23:10 |
| KatolaZ | msiism: that's pretty lean | 23:11 |
| jaromil | an OS in rust. wooow. :^X | 23:11 |
| KatolaZ | jaromil: I meant the page, not the actual thing :D | 23:11 |
| msiism | :) (i don't know a bit of rust...) | 23:12 |
| msiism | also, i think it does not have to be in a strict weekly or monthly cycle. | 23:12 |
| msiism | that only creates unnecessary pressure to push something out, i'd say. | 23:12 |
| jaromil | yee :^) I agree the design is great and also the content organisation and the many links | 23:13 |
| jaromil | feels a bit TMI but well designed | 23:13 |
| msiism | jaromil: yes, the actual entries wouldn't even have to be that big. | 23:13 |
| jaromil | for that purpose I found the twitter format ideal so far. at least commisurate to the effort, helped keeping the heartbeat | 23:14 |
| KatolaZ | I mean they (redox) have "This week in redox ##" but have got only about 30 weeks in 3 years | 23:14 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 23:14 |
| jaromil | yes also overestimating | 23:14 |
| jaromil | ok well this discussion is looong | 23:14 |
| KatolaZ | eheheh | 23:14 |
| jaromil | we are only on the first point :^) | 23:15 |
| KatolaZ | definitely | 23:15 |
| jaromil | i think irc is slower than vdc | 23:15 |
| KatolaZ | that's only because you haven't timed the discussions on jizzi | 23:15 |
| KatolaZ | ;) | 23:15 |
| msiism | so, we could have something like "this wwek in devuan" aggregated in a similar format and maybe call it "devuan log $date" or sth. | 23:16 |
| jaromil | i like their concept of a blog https://hacpai.com/b3log | 23:17 |
| * golinux is have connection issues. No quite sure what's happening. | 23:17 | |
| jaromil | but i'm not proficient enough in chinese :P | 23:17 |
| jaromil | golinux: oh :( | 23:18 |
| golinux | Just ftr, I am not going to be involved with a newsletter or blog or whatever in any editorial capacity. | 23:19 |
| KatolaZ | golinux: you don't have to if you don't want | 23:19 |
| KatolaZ | I guess the idea is to get more people on board | 23:19 |
| jaromil | golinux: ack and yes i think you are the best at what you do right now already | 23:20 |
| KatolaZ | not only more work | 23:20 |
| msiism | well, maybe discussing the technical aspect of it is trying to do the second step before the first. | 23:20 |
| msiism | anyway, one thing that should be taken care of (as far as a blog goes) is to keep it basically functional without having to enable javascript. | 23:21 |
| KatolaZ | yep | 23:21 |
| jaromil | yes. my question is: do we want a collective blog, an aggregator or a newsletter? I vote the latter | 23:21 |
| KatolaZ | I would prefere a newsletter, TBH | 23:21 |
| KatolaZ | even an irregular one | 23:21 |
| golinux | I think we should expand the resources we have not fragment further. | 23:21 |
| KatolaZ | golinux: the forum is fantastic | 23:22 |
| KatolaZ | but it's just not for all tastes | 23:22 |
| jaromil | the newsletter would be posted on d1g, dng and linked on reddit and twitter | 23:22 |
| KatolaZ | and serves a different purpose | 23:22 |
| msiism | newsletter or blog, i'd be ok with any of those. | 23:22 |
| golinux | We are already stressed out in so many directions do we really need another? | 23:22 |
| KatolaZ | golinux: you don't need to take care of it | 23:22 |
| jaromil | noone will unless noone volunteers :^) | 23:22 |
| golinux | No one in this discussion has time to take is on | 23:22 |
| msiism | but: people who are on the malinglists are more likely to already recieve info about what's going on in devun through the meet notes. | 23:23 |
| KatolaZ | golinux: have you askes msiism ? | 23:23 |
| jaromil | but well, putting it out there on the pad item then is a conclusion | 23:23 |
| KatolaZ | ;) | 23:23 |
| msiism | KatolaZ: i hate to say it, but i won't be able to do that. | 23:23 |
| jaromil | ok done | 23:24 |
| jaromil | We seem to agree with a newsletter and with the fact that we need volunteers | 23:24 |
| golinux | Any new volunteers will need training. | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | we can call on DNG | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | golinux: ? | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | training? | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | for writing a newsletter? | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | come on | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 23:24 |
| jaromil | no we need people good at writing that's easy to spot on any list or fora | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | you can't train anybody to be like you | 23:24 |
| golinux | There need to be some guidelines to format of a newsletter. | 23:24 |
| KatolaZ | it's just impossible | 23:24 |
| jaromil | news-item perhaps is the right word | 23:25 |
| KatolaZ | we can't control everything, remember ;) | 23:25 |
| Centurion_Dan | I think we need an editorial team and a workflow that will result in us providing consistent output. | 23:25 |
| golinux | LOL! We need a consistent format for presentation. | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | plain text is a good format | 23:25 |
| Centurion_Dan | I'd rather a news feed that is RSS subscribable | 23:25 |
| golinux | Structure than | 23:25 |
| golinux | then | 23:25 |
| KatolaZ | I prefer something that goes online simple and straight and soon, rather than something that MIGHT go online pefect in three years | 23:25 |
| KatolaZ | dreaming is cheap | 23:25 |
| golinux | Header content etc. | 23:26 |
| KatolaZ | actually doing things is another story :)( | 23:26 |
| jaromil | RSS is mandatory yes please | 23:26 |
| jaromil | else is not reusable | 23:26 |
| jaromil | ok then wrote the conclusion to the item | 23:27 |
| Centurion_Dan | exactly... that's why a workflow is important and a team of editors so there should always be someone around to bump news items as they happen. | 23:27 |
| jaromil | anything in infrastructure we really want to discuss now using IRC? | 23:28 |
| KatolaZ | nope | 23:28 |
| Centurion_Dan | jaromil: don't forget gab.ai - it's an up and coming twitter like forum... | 23:28 |
| jaromil | I feel like we spent 1h on blog. gosh | 23:28 |
| golinux | Don't we have more important things to discuss like lurker, jenkins etc? | 23:28 |
| KatolaZ | infra is a longer story | 23:28 |
| golinux | But more important that trying to get sonething going that no one has stepped up to do in three years | 23:29 |
| jaromil | Centurion_Dan: gab.ai looks nice | 23:29 |
| Centurion_Dan | indeed... that's a curly one, probably worth splitting off a working group for infra... actually I thought we did already... | 23:29 |
| KatolaZ | did we? | 23:29 |
| golinux | We have asked for volunteers more than once. We had on who came to a meet and was never heard from again. I think we chased him away. | 23:30 |
| Centurion_Dan | jaromil: I have more followers there then I ever did on twitter... I'm trying to get API's so I can build a python/linux client... | 23:30 |
| jaromil | may also have been someone with low motivation, or so | 23:30 |
| jaromil | is the source of gab.ai open? | 23:30 |
| golinux | Please ping me when this moves onto the next item | 23:31 |
| Centurion_Dan | jaromil: no, and it's built on azure... - supposedly using open source, but I'm talking a bit now with their core dev team - who are actually really responsive. | 23:32 |
| jaromil | ok anyway looks like a social media to me | 23:32 |
| jaromil | i may be wrong. but then this is also suggesting we may want to have a diaspora of sorts for devuan. my thought then is that maintaining a social media platform is beyond the scope of devuan... however | 23:33 |
| jaromil | the aggregator proposition is a solution of sorts for it | 23:33 |
| jaromil | i think its late for me to continue onto next items | 23:34 |
| Centurion_Dan | with regards to contributors, I found during the jessie cycle there were plenty that wanted to do drive by contributions - ie patch a few packages and then they got busy or distracted. | 23:34 |
| jaromil | true this is important to reflect upon, the package contribution flow | 23:34 |
| jaromil | even drive-by contributions can be useful if we manage them well | 23:34 |
| Centurion_Dan | however if we make it easy enough for people then they are likely to get involved and keep coming back to scratch another itch... | 23:35 |
| jaromil | this is somehow related with the gitlab point which IMHO is the most pressing in the infra section (altough the last one) | 23:35 |
| KatolaZ | yeah but packaging is not easy | 23:35 |
| Centurion_Dan | but again we have to be careful of the security support side of things.. | 23:36 |
| jaromil | we need someone of us to give gitlab some lovance, rather urgently | 23:36 |
| KatolaZ | jaromil: I commented | 23:36 |
| KatolaZ | rrq is taking care of the new gitlab instance | 23:36 |
| KatolaZ | it should be up and running soonish | 23:36 |
| KatolaZ | anyway, I confirm there are no deadly bugs on the current version | 23:37 |
| KatolaZ | while there are many of the few latest versions.... | 23:37 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 23:37 |
| KatolaZ | s/of/in | 23:37 |
| Centurion_Dan | KatolaZ: packaging is not that hard, it's the workflow that is still a bit painful. | 23:37 |
| KatolaZ | no Centurion_Dan | 23:38 |
| KatolaZ | packaging is not easy | 23:38 |
| KatolaZ | and we have seen how things can easily explode | 23:38 |
| jaromil | ACK yes rrq now i remember | 23:38 |
| KatolaZ | e.g. with elogind | 23:38 |
| jaromil | thanks | 23:38 |
| jaromil | and hilarious old version has no deadly bugs | 23:38 |
| golinux | packaging requires feather and toads and incantations | 23:38 |
| KatolaZ | it's not hard if you did it before | 23:38 |
| golinux | Maybe 10 times. | 23:38 |
| KatolaZ | unfortunately most of the people who want to contribute have no experience of packaging | 23:38 |
| KatolaZ | and no knowledge of git | 23:39 |
| KatolaZ | which makes it impossible | 23:39 |
| KatolaZ | I have tried in a couple of occasions to hold their hands | 23:39 |
| KatolaZ | but it's not easy | 23:39 |
| jaromil | we need to balance our effort there. we cannot train people to git and packaging | 23:39 |
| jaromil | packaging can have a dedicated documentaiton | 23:39 |
| KatolaZ | again, especially if they have no knowledge of git | 23:39 |
| KatolaZ | at all | 23:39 |
| jaromil | git is a blocker yes | 23:39 |
| jaromil | well we can take it as a benchmark | 23:40 |
| KatolaZ | I am not saying it's a blocker | 23:40 |
| jaromil | right now it is | 23:40 |
| KatolaZ | I am saying it's necessary to make useful contributions wrt packages | 23:40 |
| Centurion_Dan | part of the solution is to enable private package building - this would allow people to build packages in their own space and get a feel for it before trying to push into our official workflow. | 23:40 |
| KatolaZ | and, TBH, we might not need that many packages now | 23:40 |
| jaromil | Centurion_Dan: people can already do that locally | 23:40 |
| jaromil | using pbuilder | 23:41 |
| KatolaZ | please see the point written by parazyd | 23:41 |
| KatolaZ | if we manage to have a proper libnosystemd | 23:41 |
| KatolaZ | we don't need to fork packages depending on systemd | 23:41 |
| Centurion_Dan | jaromil: yes, but what builds on pbuilder locally doesn't always build on our infra. | 23:41 |
| KatolaZ | this would solve a lot or problems | 23:41 |
| KatolaZ | s/or/of | 23:43 |
| KatolaZ | anyway, gotta go to sleep | 23:43 |
| KatolaZ | will continue work on the pad in the next few days | 23:43 |
| KatolaZ | it would be good if we could decide something about the conference | 23:43 |
| KatolaZ | as suggested in the pad | 23:43 |
| jaromil | yes the conf needs planning ahead | 23:44 |
| KatolaZ | especially if we want to have it before the end of the current year | 23:44 |
| jaromil | i've written an hosting proposal. if other venues are an option we need hosts to step forward | 23:44 |
| Centurion_Dan | jaromil: allowing people to test their builds fully on our workflow as private packages helps them to get familiar with our workflow and also allows us to see where their builds are failing easily and help perfect their techniques... apprenticeship style. | 23:44 |
| Centurion_Dan | Goodnight KatolaZ. Sleep well!! | 23:45 |
| jaromil | gnite KatolaZ | 23:45 |
| KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: the problem is that setting up a proper local build infra is even harder than just building something on pbuilder | 23:45 |
| jaromil | i'll go to sleep too.. but i see your point dan | 23:45 |
| KatolaZ | that is something that only a few of us are currently doing regularly | 23:45 |
| jaromil | just wondering... we dn't have enough capacity now | 23:45 |
| KatolaZ | also, we might not need that many packagers | 23:46 |
| jaromil | the room at our office where most builders are is somehow warm already :/ | 23:46 |
| jaromil | I like the perspective of not needing many packagers :P | 23:46 |
| Centurion_Dan | KatolaZ: I had a proposal to allow for a PPA setup using our gitlab jenkins, to allow use of spare builder time. | 23:46 |
| KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: I had a proposal about that too, remember? :D | 23:46 |
| KatolaZ | it was called scorsh | 23:46 |
| KatolaZ | and is actually working :D | 23:47 |
| Centurion_Dan | It's been discussed almost as long as we had jenkins... | 23:47 |
| KatolaZ | gotta go | 23:47 |
| KatolaZ | really | 23:47 |
| KatolaZ | o/ | 23:47 |
| jaromil | gnite | 23:47 |
| KatolaZ | good night | 23:47 |
| Centurion_Dan | \o | 23:47 |
| msiism | good night | 23:47 |
| KatolaZ | o/ | 23:47 |
| jaromil | what i get from this is just that we need more builders :P | 23:47 |
| jaromil | parazyd set them up all nicely in our office but they cannot be under heavy load | 23:48 |
| jaromil | or even worst exposed to ddos attacks | 23:48 |
| jaromil | i mean people firing up unlimited builds | 23:49 |
| jaromil | or if someone comes with capacity then we can redirect the "ppa builds" on a specific farm that can take it? | 23:49 |
| jaromil | right now our build farm is quite important and includes the only functioning ARM 64bit softiron machine | 23:50 |
| jaromil | i think two are in .ch but need to be activated | 23:50 |
| Centurion_Dan | jaromil, I did want to raise the broader comms strategy, and try and avoid the spat we had just before ascii release. | 23:50 |
| Centurion_Dan | jaromil: I'm hoping to stabilise my internet and get a few builders running here.. | 23:50 |
| Centurion_Dan | won't be unlimited builds - definitely metered - weighted towards those that are contributing more getting more builds. | 23:50 |
| Centurion_Dan | in most cases we'd only allow amd64/i386 builds unless there is reason to allow a specific arch.. | 23:51 |
| golinux | Before everybody goes any feed back on this? | 23:51 |
| golinux | A request posted on irc: | 23:51 |
| golinux | Could you guys add Artix https://artixlinux.org/ to the list in: | 23:51 |
| golinux | https://devuan.org/os/init-freedom/ | 23:51 |
| golinux | It currently offers OpenRC and runit | 23:51 |
| golinux | It spawned from some Arch and Manjaro users/maintainers who wanted 'init-freedom'... | 23:51 |
| jaromil | ok so ppa only for x86 | 23:51 |
| golinux | Also, Arch doesn't really support using 'openrc' anymore, so that info is slightly wrong | 23:51 |
| Centurion_Dan | golinux: I thought Arch has pretty much gone full systemd now... | 23:53 |
| jaromil | golinux: go for it, artix seems pretty legit to me | 23:53 |
| golinux | I thought so too but not at the time that page on the site was written | 23:53 |
| golinux | We wabt to have current accurate info there. | 23:53 |
| jaromil | i will also leave now... midnight here | 23:54 |
| jaromil | gnite! | 23:54 |
| golinux | So I'll add artix and remove arch. | 23:54 |
| Centurion_Dan | Goodnight jaromil!! | 23:54 |
| golinux | \o | 23:54 |
| golinux | Who is typing on what line? | 23:55 |
| msiism | golinux: i'll have another look at the website contents and sort out that pad once i get to it (maybe next week). | 23:57 |
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