| gnu_srs1 | KatolaZ: seems like antofox mate packages are separate from devuan main: http://www.hezeh.org/packages ascii main etc. | 00:14 |
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| gnu_srs1 | WTF why are these packages not in the main Devuan repo? Does he maintain/support a downstream ASCII release? | 00:14 |
| Xenguy | Vim has a (good) spell checker, but Vim is an acquired taste, to say the least | 00:21 |
| golinux | gnu_srs: Of course, AntoFox maintains MATE on g.d.o -https://git.devuan.org/AntoFox | 00:21 |
| golinux | I know he is very busy so may be behind. | 00:22 |
| Xenguy | pico/nano are simple text editors that everyone can use at the console | 00:23 |
| Xenguy | nano now apparently | 00:24 |
| gnu_srs1 | golinux: Still, his contributions should have been integrated in the ascii release: Why not? | 00:24 |
| golinux | <golinux> I know he is very busy so may be behind. | 00:25 |
| golinux | Perhaps you'd want to help him? | 00:25 |
| gnu_srs1 | Devuan seems to have a lot of "downstream" maintainers, at the cost of "upstream" work. This is very frustrating :( | 00:27 |
| Xenguy | .oO( Interesting point ) | 00:29 |
| pixelherodev | Is Hezeh's version better than stable? | 03:54 |
| golinux | It's newer, I think | 03:55 |
| pixelherodev | Definitely not. | 03:57 |
| pixelherodev | Stable is a few minor versions newer | 03:58 |
| pixelherodev | Is Hezeh's version patched differently? | 03:58 |
| golinux | Ask AntoFox | 03:59 |
| pixelherodev | Huh - he has *some* newer packages, but some are older. | 03:59 |
| pixelherodev | Anyone know how to get indicators working in MATE in Devuan stable? | 04:07 |
| pixelherodev | Specifically, the sound indicator? | 04:20 |
| pixelherodev | Or is that only in Ubuntu MATE? | 04:20 |
| pixelherodev | I was able to get udisks and the network manager applet working! | 05:13 |
| pixelherodev | Turns out the problem is that the default MATE session launcher doesn't activate consolekit. | 05:14 |
| pixelherodev | I modified it to use ck-launch-session and now it works, though it does annoyingly demand the password for every freaking action | 05:14 |
| pixelherodev | Or maybe the problem is lightdm | 05:22 |
| pixelherodev | Now the problem is that the consolekit session isn't marked active | 05:22 |
| pixelherodev | and is-local is false also | 05:23 |
| pixelherodev | That's a bug, right? | 05:26 |
| golinux | Search the fporum and dng. | 05:29 |
| pixelherodev | I also get "polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie" when trying to use pkexec | 05:30 |
| pixelherodev | Going to try using slim, the release notes recommend using it w/ MATE | 05:46 |
| pixelherodev | Yeah, slim is marking session as active and local. | 05:48 |
| pixelherodev | Still having some udisks errors, but network-manager is now fully working | 05:49 |
| pixelherodev | Progress. | 05:51 |
| pixelherodev | Got it! | 05:56 |
| pixelherodev | Finally! | 05:56 |
| pixelherodev | Had to reinstall udisks to reset the policy file. | 05:56 |
| pixelherodev | All of my problems with Devuan are now resolved! Yay! | 05:56 |
| golinux | Release Notes are there for a reason. ;) | 05:56 |
| pixelherodev | Yeah. | 05:58 |
| pixelherodev | If I had paid attention to them and not used the equivalent of `sed -i -e 's/auth_admin/yes/' on the udisks2 polkit file this wouldn't have happened. | 05:59 |
| pixelherodev | I still vastly prefer lightdm to slim (it looks so much nicer and I configured it to show a list of users), but I'll take what I can get for now | 05:59 |
| pixelherodev | ...maybe I should just get rid of the display manager entirely. | 06:05 |
| pixelherodev | It worked fine on Gentoo at least w/o one. | 06:05 |
| pixelherodev | Or not. Can't start X as non-root even w/ legacy package installed. | 06:10 |
| pixelherodev | ...wait a second. The power buttons are missing. | 06:14 |
| golinux | What's wrong with how slim looks? https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim_ascii.png | 07:40 |
| pixelherodev | golinux, I have that same look. I just don't like it much. | 12:29 |
| pixelherodev | My biggest annoyance is that it doesn't list users, but that's just because I've gotten too used to it. | 12:29 |
| pixelherodev | Honestly, I find most of the Devuan-specific artwork a bit bland. | 12:29 |
| pixelherodev | Not *bad*, just not particularly *interesting*. | 12:29 |
| onefang | *Interesting* is not something I expect from my login screen, I'm only looking at it for long enough to type my password. | 12:35 |
| pixelherodev | I know - I'm saying in general. | 12:51 |
| pixelherodev | e.g. desktop backgrounds | 12:51 |
| pixelherodev | It's just - just purple. | 12:52 |
| pixelherodev | That's basically all it is. | 12:52 |
| pixelherodev | *Slight* exaggeration. | 12:52 |
| onefang | Oddly purple is my favourite colour, yet all I see is shades of grey. | 12:53 |
| onefang | Just loaded one of the images into gimp to check the colours, grey with a tiny bit of extra red and a tiny bit more blue, I guess technically it's purple. Ish. | 13:00 |
| onefang | You could always make your own *interesting* background. | 13:01 |
| pixelherodev | I just install themes and change it. My art skills technically exist, but they're very minimal. | 13:02 |
| pixelherodev | I've also literally rsynced some wallpapers from my Ubuntu MATE PC. | 13:02 |
| pixelherodev | ...also, pulseaudio isn't autostarting. :( | 13:07 |
| pixelherodev | I know how to do it in OpenRC, but how do I add it to boot time in sysvinit? | 13:07 |
| pixelherodev | Never mind, google to the rescue :) | 13:09 |
| pixelherodev | ...or not. Is there supposed to be a pulseaudio service file in /etc/init.d ? | 13:11 |
| onefang | Pulseaudio came from the same people responsible for systemd. I've always seen it autostart on login, not on boot. | 13:16 |
| onefang | Then again, I only log on once after booting, and just stay logged on, so that's fine by me. | 13:16 |
| pixelherodev | Same difference. | 14:11 |
| pixelherodev | Also, I don't care that it's made by the same people. | 14:11 |
| onefang | My point was that you can expect better support for systemd in pulseaudio. | 14:12 |
| pixelherodev | I know that, but I've been using pulse w/o systemd for years without problems. | 14:12 |
| pixelherodev | It works without any issue in Gentoo. | 14:12 |
| onefang | Same here, I just don't expect it to be running before I log on. | 14:12 |
| pixelherodev | Yeah, I mean that it doesn't start running when I log in. | 14:15 |
| pixelherodev | That's the whole problem. | 14:15 |
| pixelherodev | I have to manually run `pulseaudio&exit` inside of tilda to get it working | 14:16 |
| fsmithred | isn't there a desktop setting for startup apps? | 14:17 |
| pixelherodev | ... | 14:17 |
| * pixelherodev palms face. | 14:17 | |
| * pixelherodev bashes head into wall repeatedly. | 14:17 | |
| pixelherodev | I'm an idiot | 14:18 |
| pixelherodev | Wait nope it's checked but it's not starting. | 14:18 |
| fsmithred | quit trying to do stuff - you're using a DE, so everything is done for you | 14:18 |
| fsmithred | ?? | 14:18 |
| pixelherodev | Yeah | 14:18 |
| pixelherodev | Wait. | 14:18 |
| fsmithred | most people can't kill it | 14:18 |
| pixelherodev | start-pulseaudio-x11 fails. | 14:18 |
| onefang | Ah, you where talking about sysvinit to start with, not after logging in. | 14:18 |
| pixelherodev | pulseaudio works, but start-pulseaudio-x11 works. | 14:19 |
| pixelherodev | The startup is set to use start-pulseaudio-x11. | 14:19 |
| pixelherodev | Killing pulse is really easy. | 14:19 |
| pixelherodev | Just run `sudo killall -9 pulseaudio` | 14:19 |
| fsmithred | in my experience, it just restarts when you kill it | 14:19 |
| pixelherodev | Weird. I've never had it do that. | 14:20 |
| pixelherodev | I've had the *opposite* problem really. | 14:20 |
| fsmithred | there's a setting in the config file for that | 14:20 |
| onefang | Works fine for me in lxde. See if a different DE works, then check what's different. | 14:20 |
| onefang | I've had to do that a few times in the last week while I've been settling my new desktop ASCII install. | 14:21 |
| onefang | My only remaining pulse problem is it mutes when I switch to a different VT. I guess I should search for a solution some day. | 14:27 |
| pixelherodev | Heh | 14:28 |
| pixelherodev | "I guess I should search for a solution some day." I think we've all said that before :P | 14:28 |
| onefang | I have a TODO list that just lists my other TODO lists, my TODO lists runneth over. lol | 14:29 |
| onefang | Ah, 'tis a feature, not a bug. And the way to fix it is to do what I thought you where trying to do in the first place, startup pulseaudio on boot as a deamon. | 14:41 |
| onefang | Let's see if that works. | 14:49 |
| onefang | It worked. B-) | 14:53 |
| onefang | I just added this to /etc/rc.local - /usr/bin/pulseaudio --daemonize=yes --system=yes --disallow-module-loading=yes --disallow-exit=yes | 14:55 |
| onefang | And added my user and root to the pulse-access group. | 14:55 |
| onefang | As for killing pulse, that's easy, I only want it to die on the rare occasion that I turn my computer off, and that works fine. B-) | 15:11 |
| pixelherodev | Heh | 15:21 |
| golinux | If you're seeing gray on the desktop you either need a new monitor or new eyes. | 17:23 |
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