libera/#devuan-dev/ Tuesday, 2018-12-04

furrymcgeeHey devuan-dev you did a good job with the ascii release! I'm looking for general information about the sdk and devuan mirror. In a debootstrap from devuan cd some packages are missing to build my schroot for the sdk, the sdk looks really good and I want to connect it to a local apt-ftparchive with build-essential to build a amd64 cd, maybe we can share some knowledge in this process.20:39
golinuxI installed the mini.iso last week.  Install went well but Xfce is quite broken because of broken *kit stuff.20:46
golinuxI can't install synaptic because the deps are borked. Desktop customizations aren't working quite right and graphical root thunar etc. (which I use a lot - no lectures please) won't hold any customizations.20:49
golinuxThe refracta-based beowulf (which includes bits from ascii) that fsr put together works well but I can't really test the theming till it's running on stand-alone beowulf.20:52
golinuxAny idea when the will be straightened out?20:52
golinuxHere's the pad for this week's meet: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/1/edit/26mkvnEGFcDIAXKWy9744g/0dV-vxN5RT9yb1JluOYxMYRd/21:11
LeePengolinux: which bits of xfce were broken for you? My install of it is pretty good.21:22
golinuxIf this is your first time, please ping me to test your connection to jitsi BEFORE the meet. You might need this to get it working: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/chrome.crx21:22
golinuxHi LeePen21:22
LeePengolinux: Hi21:23
golinuxsynaptic won't install.  polkit problem21:23
LeePenHmm. I use apt-get directly21:23
LeePenWith the policykit packages from experimental xfce all waorks for me21:24
golinuxDesktop wallpapers in desktop-base, backgrounds and Xfce are inaccessible from the settings gui..21:25
golinuxI can't install synaptic directly weither.21:26
LeePenOK. As I said I haven't tried synaptic, but certainly the desktop settings are accessible.21:27
golinuxSince gksu no longer works I su to open root thunar but my preferences aren't being saved.21:27
golinuxI have to reset them every time.21:27
golinuxSynaptic isn't even installed21:28
LeePenLet me fire up my VM of it...21:28
golinuxIt is a bitch to theme so I need to have it working.21:28
golinuxI'll do that too (as painful as it will be)21:29
golinuxEvery time I open root thunar, I get that stupid folder view etc.21:32
LeePenWhat sources do you have? I have21:33
golinuxAnd even though I installed the DMZ-cursor-theme I get that nasty adwaita black cursor that I can't kill.   I've tried.21:34
LeePendeb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged unstable main21:34
golinuxSources are whatever they are on the mini.iso21:34
* golinux goes to check21:35
golinuxOK. I added that.21:37
LeePenWhat was there before?21:37
golinuxdeb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged unstable main21:39
golinuxDamn didn't copy frpoom the VM21:40
golinux143 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 34 not upgraded21:40
golinuxdeb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf main21:41
golinuxdeb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main21:41
golinuxThat's all that was in there21:41
golinuxLet me run the upgrade21:42
golinuxSorry I'm so slow21:42
LeePenRight, are you wanting beowulf or ceres?21:42
golinux(mousepad:2342): dconf-WARNING **: 14:38:05.470: failed to commit changes to dconf: The connection is closed21:42
golinuxmy changes aren't getting into dconf21:43
LeePenYep.21:43
golinuxI need beowulf to do the theming.  But that might require parts from ceres, right?21:43
LeePenI haven't tried a pure beowulf install, just ceres21:44
golinuxI mostly installed to test the /usr merge thing in the installer.21:45
LeePenYes. So what dconf* packages do you have?21:46
golinuxIt's still upgrading21:46
LeePenOK.21:47
golinuxShould I allow  Restart services during package upgrades without asking?21:47
golinuxNever seen that one before.21:47
LeePenI don't usually on a real system. But for a VM it is probably OK21:47
golinuxOr maybe I forget21:47
golinuxIt will do that automatically next time I launch it anyway.21:48
golinuxLeepen . . . I don't like to mess with my system.  My daily driver is still jessie.21:49
LeePenYes, and mine. You are doing this in a VM?21:49
golinuxYes21:49
LeePenSHould be fine then21:49
golinuxIt's still installing upgrades21:50
golinuxYAY!  Finished21:50
LeePenWhilst it is doing that,21:50
LeePencan you check the owner and perms on ~/.cache/dconf?21:51
golinuxI am owner and the perms are drwx------21:53
golinuxEven in user space the thunar preferences aren't being saved.  Just had to allow hidden files to be shown AGAIN.21:54
LeePenAnd for everything under ~/.config?21:55
golinuxIt's a PITA.  But if my annoyance helps the cause, it's worth it.21:55
golinuxNot everything21:56
LeePenWhat is not owned by you?21:57
golinuxSorry for the confusion.  It looks like I own everything21:58
LeePenHmmmm.....21:58
golinuxgstreamer and fontconfig have expanded permission22:00
LeePenWhat dconf* packages have you?22:02
LeePenI just have dconf-service and dconf-settings-backend22:03
golinuxI would usually fire up synaptic to find that info22:06
LeePendpkg -i|grep dconf22:06
golinuxso have to go find the right command to do it.22:06
LeePensorry dpkg -l|grep dconf22:06
golinuxThanks22:06
golinuxI'm just a gui girl.  ;)22:06
LeePenI am not even sure what I am!22:07
golinuxLOL!22:10
golinuxHad to reformat it a bit22:10
golinuxdconf-gsettings-backend:i386      0.30.1-1     i38622:10
golinuxdconf-service                     0.30.1-1     i38622:10
golinuxlibdconf1:i386          0.30.1-1     i38622:10
LeePenAnd all 3 lines should have 'ii' at the beginning22:11
golinuxThey did22:11
LeePenLooks fine so far...22:12
golinuxI removed it22:12
golinuxOK.22:12
LeePenSo, I suppose the next thing to check is dbus. Is dbus-x11 installed?22:17
golinuxLeePen: Looks like synaptic will installing now22:17
golinuxYay!  But of course it won't launch from the system menu.  Sooo . . .22:19
golinuxLet me check for that file22:19
golinuxii  dbus-x11       1.12.10-1+devuan1 i38622:22
LeePenGood, so is dbus actually running?22:23
golinuxSynaptic just launched!22:24
LeePenExcellent. Sounds like youa re making progress22:25
golinuxOnly because fsr gave me a nice little script to put in/usr/bin22:26
golinux#!/usr/bin/env bash22:26
golinuxPATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin22:26
golinux/usr/sbin/synaptic22:26
golinuxexit 022:26
golinuxHow do I know if dbus is running ?  Or  top moves around too much22:27
LeePenpidof dbus-daemon?22:28
golinux1832 1768 155322:29
golinuxI ran that as user22:29
LeePenYep, good. And is DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS set? (echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS)22:30
golinuxunix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-6ld3ggGKdJ,guid=52c1f355f135f0b01cfd9f725c06e3b822:31
golinuxThanks for the spoon feeding22:32
LeePenActually, I am wondering why you have 3 dbus-daemon pids. I think there shoudl only be 2, a system one and a a session one.22:32
LeePenHow are you starting xfce?22:32
golinuxlightdm was on the mini.iso.  I prefer slim22:33
golinuxbut am putting up with lightdm and debin graphis (which are sucky imo)22:34
golinuxI have both a filesystem and filesystemroot icons on my desktop22:35
golinuxI have no idea what that is about22:35
golinuxMaybe that's the extra session?22:36
golinuxbrb22:36
LeePenNo, nore me. I am puzzled by the 3 dbus-daemons. Have you logged out and in again since you manged to upgrade?22:37
golinuxNo.22:39
golinuxI can do that.  It's pretty fast22:39
golinuxGot purpy grub theme but Debian lightdm22:42
golinuxStill 3 after reboot22:44
golinux$ pidof dbus-daemon22:44
golinux1867 1803 156222:44
LeePenAnd all 3 have changed. That seems wrong to me.22:45
LeePenWhen you upgraded, some packages were held back?22:46
golinuxI don't think so but can't really remember22:47
LeePenI am running out of ideas, other than I think 3 dbus-daemons at the same time is wrong.22:50
golinuxI just launched thunar as root and got this message:22:51
golinuxThunar: Failed to initialize Xfconf: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.22:51
golinuxOf course none of my settings had been saved from my last session.22:52
golinuxWhat would happen it I installed gksu?22:52
LeePenYes, this all looks like dbus is not working properly22:52

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