libera/#devuan-dev/ Sunday, 2019-05-05

andi89giKatolaZ: here I am ;) ready for tasks17:08
andi89giso any tasks to start with or doing for the upcoming release on 3.0 ?17:17
golinuxThe build system is still broken17:18
golinuxafaik.17:18
andi89gibuild system is broken?17:18
golinuxCI has been non-functional for several weeks now17:19
andi89gisry I haven't got an overview about the current issues and I'm not up to dates :-)   ; ah you mean the homepage etc?17:20
andi89githe hacker issue?17:20
golinuxWE currently are unable to build packages on our infra.17:20
golinuxNo the hack was a joke.17:21
golinuxApril fools17:21
Evilhamandi89gi: that should be solved "soon", did you take a look at maybe packaging hopman? :-)17:22
andi89gigolinux: ah fuck - april joke17:23
andi89giEvilham: Well, I've taken a look on it. But how can I help out?17:24
Evilhamandi89gi: by trying to create the control dir and so on, so that a .deb can be produced :-)17:36
EvilhamiIRC you mentioned you knew some deb foo? :-D17:36
Evilham(if not, sorry! Working with wrong assumptions)17:36
andi89giEvilham: yeah, I know it in theory xD but now I can do it on hopman. I haven't known the task ;) thus I'm asking17:39
Evilham:-D Okay! Well, hopman is this cool software that someone announced for devuan17:40
EvilhamIt's about managing mounts for removable media17:40
EvilhamWithout systemd and dbus things17:40
EvilhamSo, the developer made the code available on git.devuan.org, but there is no deb for it or a way to create and maintain the deb17:42
Evilhamandi89gi If you could adopt that software, so we can integrate it into devuan at some point, it'd be very helpful17:42
EvilhamFor that, having CI down is not relevant, since first you'd have to be able to produce a .deb that works well and likely you'd have to coordinate with the author17:43
andi89giokay I see - I've to chat with the author17:46
andi89giEvilham: Can you give the link again? I try to find hopman in our repos17:46
Evilhamwas finishing getting in front of my computer :-p, now: https://git.devuan.org/kryn/hopman17:47
Evilhambut the first bit is to produce a usable .deb :-) for that you also don't need the author17:48
EvilhamI guess you need the author so you can start coordinating things like releases :-D17:48
andi89giyeah but for the 1st step I don't need the author ;)17:51
andi89gibesides hopman anything to do Evilham?17:51
Evilhamandi89gi:  FYIW: on the debian ML, this thread turned out to be interesting if you ignore the noisy bits:17:52
Evilham(forgot to paste!) https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2019/04/msg00445.html17:54
andi89giEvilham: thx and no worries! let me check this one moment18:06
andi89gipls18:07
andi89giEvilham: I've ignore the noisy bits xD  sounds interesting18:17
andi89gibtw would it be interesting to provide the devuan homepage into different languages like German/French?18:25
Evilhammaybe, but it's a PITA to maintain :-D and as soon as it goes into the official page, people expect it to be up-to-date and always shiny18:26
EvilhamFWIW: there are a couple unofficial pages lik ePT-BR and ES-MX18:27
andi89giEvilham: yeah but I don't mean establishing an own website - just translating it ;)18:36
Evilhamthat's the issue: if there is a translation and it is put on devuan's main site, people will expect it to be up-to-date and purrfectly supported, which... will depend on whoever does the translation18:40
andi89giyeah, I mean it would be no problem maintaining it - and speaking about it , if something have to be updated etc18:41
Evilhamso, for now at least, I am much more supportive of having localised communities grow organically in their own spaces and maybe when time proves that they work nicely and are kept up-to-date and so on, we talk about integrating18:41
Evilhambut hey, if that's a discussion worth having, it can be brought up :-p there are many things that should be done around the website18:42
andi89giEvilham: I see your point and I agree to it that it's important that local communities are growing up everywhere- I don't know where in Germany  is a Devuan community? Unfortunatly I couldn't attend the 1st meeting in Amsterdam.But I've read the blog about the weekend. Really amazing!18:44
andi89giguessing they're much issues on the website to discuss. But I'm not aware of all the issues of it. ;)  Thus it's only an option from my side to maintain it in German18:45
Evilhamit was like 20% Germans :-D18:45
andi89gi:-D haha cool18:45
Evilhamnot necessarily 20%, but it was certainly one of the most represented citizenships18:46
Evilham(or identities, whatever)18:46
Evilham(didn't actually ask for anyone's passport :-p)18:46
onefangWell Germany isn't far away, so it was easy for them to travel there.18:47
andi89giyeah it doesn't really matter the nationality or passport xD18:47
andi89gihehe indeed Amsterdam is quite near to Germany18:47
onefangI couldn't make it there, but I was there in spirit.  My Devuan mirror is in Amsterdam.  B-)18:48
Evilhamtalking mirrors: we have one in Japan!18:51
onefangYay!18:51
Evilhamdevuan.m10k.jp18:51
andi89giEvilham: ah cool18:51
Evilhamthe kind of exciting work waiting for you onefang  :-D18:51
onefangI never did hear back from my old ISP if they wanted to run an Australian one.18:51
onefangSo long as I don't have to learn Japanese, German, Dutch, ....18:52
andi89gihaha you can learn German from me @onefang :P18:54
Evilhamoder von mir :-)18:54
Evilhamoder von jaromil sogar X-p18:54
Evilham(joking :-D but jaromil does speak German)18:54
andi89gioder so :-) gleich 3 - you've got the choice18:54
onefangI'm only half German.  ;-P18:55
andi89gionefang: :-P  no worries18:57
andi89gidoesn't matter18:57
onefangI spik fluent 'strine mate.  B-)19:02
andi89gi:-)19:02
golinuxEvilham: We already had the community discussion years ago before you arrived.  It did not end well.20:02
Evilhamaware, precisely that's why I'm saying it's better if it develops outside of official channels and stays active over time :-)20:03
Evilhamlike the brazil folks20:03
golinuxIt started with "Intergalactic Communities" on the forum.  Some folks were treated rather poorly for their efforts.  It was a control issue.  No surprise there.20:04
andi89giEvilham: okay I see your point :-)20:04
andi89gigolinux: in which case on the forum=20:04
golinuxThankfully I can't remember the details.20:04
andi89gigolinux: agree20:04
golinuxQuite a few efforts have come and gone.  A couple are hanging on.   When I want to translate a site I use chromium with google translate built in20:06
golinuxThe dust up caused a few people to leave.  It was ugly.20:06
andi89gigolinux: Okay I see your point. I've only thought of internatinalization aspect :-)20:08
golinuxInterestingly,  none of those efforts whether website translation or localized forum ever took off.   And now they have all disappeared. Not sure how the current ones a doing.20:10
golinuxa > are20:11
andi89gigolinux: that's really interesting. Well, I'm sry if I have openend a worth discussion :/20:12
golinuxDon't be sorry.  I thought it was a great idea and was supporting it.20:13
Evilhamit's fine :-D it's only normal to think about these things, in the end t hough it comes down to people actually being consistently involved to pull that off20:14
golinuxUntil it got stomped on.20:14
Evilhamand so far experience dictates: the community is not necessarily there20:14
Evilham(yet)20:14
golinuxWhat killed it was an "upper management" decision.20:14
andi89gigolinux: "upper management"?20:15
golinuxMetaphor20:15
andi89gigolinux: :D20:16
andi89giok20:16
* golinux goes to pour tea20:16
golinuxbbiab20:16

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