libera/#devuan-dev/ Thursday, 2019-07-25

fsmithredwhat package provides /usr/bin/su?  apt-file doesn't seem to know.01:27
fsmithredCenturion_Dan, beowulf mini.iso now fails because devuan-baseconf is missing03:06
Centurion_Danat what stage does it fail??03:08
fsmithredfinding out now. in #devuan03:08
Centurion_Danfsmithred: ^^03:08
fsmithred"Install the base system03:09
fsmithredis there a workaround that he could do?03:11
rrqpackage login installs /bin/su03:12
fsmithredweird.03:14
fsmithredI think /usr/bin/su comes from util-linux now. Found some bug reports about it.03:15
fsmithredI have both, but `which su` tells me /usr/bin/su03:15
rrqlink(s)?03:15
Centurion_Danfsmithred: As a fix, I'll patch and rebuild devuan-baseconf for beowulf and then update debootstrap in unstable to not depend on it.03:16
Centurion_Danand rebuild debian-installer for unstable.03:16
fsmithredok, the one in suites/unstable seems benign03:16
fsmithredcool, thanks03:16
Centurion_Danfsmithred: devuan-baseconf?03:18
Centurion_Danok, I'll just migrate that one.. and focus on updates and fixes to debootstrap.03:19
fsmithredyes, devuan-baseconf03:19
fsmithredlast touched by me (recently)03:19
fsmithredrrq, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=833256#9003:20
Centurion_Danfsmithred: it's removed from unstable too.03:26
fsmithredwant me to build it again?03:26
Centurion_DanI might be able to restore it... hang on.03:27
fsmithredok03:27
rrqright. I'm using ascii. by beowulf says "util-linux: /bin/su"03:27
fsmithredrrq, my beowulf has just /bin/su.03:35
fsmithredand that wss an upgrade from ascii03:35
fsmithredoh, and the ascii I checked is contaminated with some unstable03:35
fsmithred(or whatever was unstable 18 months ago)03:36
XenguyOn Ascii:  $ dpkg -L util-linux |g su03:37
Xenguy^^ Ignore03:37
fsmithreduh-oh03:38
Xenguy$ dpkg -L util-linux |g su03:38
fsmithredthere's an un-devuanized version of util-linux in ascii-security03:38
XenguyThis IRC client sucks at pasting03:38
fsmithredhexchat?03:38
XenguyYeah, how did you know?03:38
fsmithredsame hate03:39
XenguyAmazing03:39
Centurion_Danfsmithred: :-o03:39
XenguySo who does that issue with util-linux affect?03:40
fsmithredHaines Brown, I think.03:40
Centurion_Danbugger... better fix that in a hurry...03:40
Xenguyheh03:40
Centurion_DanI hate playing catchup with debians security updates...03:40
Xenguyfsmithred: Is that deployed already, are just in the queue?03:40
fsmithredit's alreay an active support ticket03:41
Xenguyfsmithred: I just mean, could I have already installed it, or is it currently upstream from me?03:41
XenguyKnow what I mean, jelly bean?03:41
XenguyIn Ascii03:41
fsmithredCenturion_Dan, should I tell him to install the plain ascii version? I think he'll be awake before I get up and before you go to bed.03:42
fsmithredapt-cache policy util-linux03:43
fsmithredXenguy, ^^^03:43
fsmithredeither yours has +devuan in the version or +deb9u103:44
XenguyLooks like the former here; thanks for that03:44
XenguyAlthought under 'Version table:' there is mention of the latter03:46
XenguyBut installed is definitely devuan03:46
fsmithredWhich version is higher?   2.29.2-1+devuan2.1   or  2.29.2-1+deb9u103:55
Xenguyhttps://paste.debian.net/plainh/7d05f15104:30
fsmithredyup. stick with the one you have until there's a new devuan version04:42
fsmithredwhich I guess is in progress now04:42
fsmithredsleep time here. see you later.04:59
Centurion_Danfsmithred: lexically 2.29.2-1+devuan2.1 is higher then 2.29.2-1+deb9u1, but devuan-2.29.2+devuan2.1 is actually the security patched version even though it's not clear from the version.  So to add to the confusion I've also copied it to ascii-security so they don't get the debian version.09:43
jaromildears, devuan-baseconf needs removal also from debootstrap10:01
jaromildon't panick if mini.iso doesn't works now, just remove from there and respin10:01
jaromilwith parazyd we were observing all places and can remove it too10:01
onefangjaromil: can you check the mailing list bounce errors for my sledjhamr.org address and tell me what the error actually is please?10:11
jaromilnot really sorry10:12
onefangIs that something for parazyd then?10:13
jaromili'm on my way to bike to lthe lab10:13
jaromilnope, he is no helpdesk either10:13
jaromilbut will mention if we have a look at the smtp10:13
onefangOK.  All this guessing isn't getting anywhere, I need to see the actual error messages.10:14
Centurion_Danjaromil: also I pushed the fixed base-files so that should fix your grub installs/upgrades for unstable and beowulf.10:24
parazydI reported a bug as well10:29
parazydhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=93296610:29
parazydOf course, the fix won't end up in beowulf.10:30
Centurion_Danthere are other packages that are borked by this same failure to handle an unknown distribution10:31
Centurion_Danparazyd: That bug report should be marked important because it breaks our installations..10:33
parazydI don't know how to do that.10:34
onefangWith parazyd's help, I may have fixed my mailing list problems.  Now I just wait to see if any come new ones through.10:36
onefang*any new ones come through*10:37
fsmithredCenturion_Dan, are we still waiting for that version of util-linux to show up in ascii-security, or did it revert?12:22
Centurion_Danfsmithred: it should pop appear in the next couple of minutes..12:29
fsmithredcool12:32
fsmithredit's there12:58
Centurion_Danso I've fixed debootstrap in unstable... and am now respinning the debian-installer for unstable.  If that works ok, I'll bump to beowulf and rebuild d-i there too13:05
onefangYay!  I got DNG email.  B-)13:13
LeePenfsmithred: Hi. Do you have any theme pacakges available?13:55
fsmithredyes13:56
fsmithredwant email?13:56
LeePenYes please.13:58
fsmithredok13:58
fsmithredsent14:02
LeePenfsmithred: thanks, arrived!14:07
Evilhamonefang: was it sth on your side?17:34
onefangThe dyne email server was doing something that triggered my naughtiness blocker, so it's IP was blocked at my end.  I've white listed it.  I'll be keeping an eye on things, see if it does that again.17:37
onefangIt's entirely possible that the "naughtiness" was just just some disagreement our respective email servers have over what a proper SMTP command is.17:39
golinuxGood that you finally got that figured out17:45
onefangYep, seeing the actual error messages was a big help.17:46
drawkulaō.ó  ____( a new mini.iso? )18:57
drawkula32bit?18:57
golinuxI would like to encourage everyone to pull it together for the ascii point release that includes the apt security bug.  Live isos are up-to-date.  Other install isos will need to be redone. Any volunteers?  parazyd, what state are the arm images in?22:10
golinuxDoing this before the Beowulf release put the horse before the cart where it should be then we can move on down the road.22:11
golinuxput >puts22:11
Centurion_Dangolinux: order of ascii point release vs beowulf release is irrelevant...22:24
Centurion_Danbut I agree it needs to be done urgently22:24
golinuxI beg to differ.  Past performance is a good future indicator. We never had a jessie point release after ascii was officially.  Same would likely happen to ascii/beowulf.  It is sloppy, untogether and unprofessional to leave unfinished ends dangling, imo of course.22:30
golinuxThis one is more important because of the apt bug currently alive and well on the install isos.22:32
parazydhttps://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190424.084814.e0b6e859.en.html22:33
parazydI can build the Arm images whenever.22:33
Centurion_Dangolinux: I agree it's important and we need to get it done.  What we need is the release notes.  Once we have that, we can spin the iso's and be done with it.  I don't know where the release notes are, go, and what the process is, I don'22:41
golinuxWe could just add something to this file.  https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/README.txt22:44
golinuxOops that was jessie.22:45
golinuxHere are the ascii release notes: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt22:45
golinuxAll it needs is a sentence of two at the very top of the page .  I can probably get that done with fsr and can make the changes on the website but have no access to files.devuan.org22:48
golinuxof > or22:48
golinuxbbiab22:49
Centurion_Dan... don't know23:16

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