libera/#devuan-dev/ Tuesday, 2019-09-10

golinuxHere's the pad or this week's meet: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/DT-6vZglPCTYvGpcSHlHhTsT/05:18
xrogaando you post these before or after?05:31
golinuxBefore05:38
xrogaanSo, are those used to keep notes of the meetings?05:46
xrogaanif so, where is the history of them?05:46
plasma41xrogaan: After the meetings, I post them to the devuan-dev mailing list.05:48
xrogaanoh, okay :)05:52
gnu_srs1LeePen: Seems like the hard core people in Debian are ruling, e.g. #935304.11:59
gnu_srs1Maybe we could ask the Debian CTTE or the PL for an opinion?12:00
LeePenYes, I have just seen that. I am still struggling with a manual block on elogind: see #934132.12:04
fsmithredis there some rule that says all installed libraries must be functional?13:48
LeePenI was just going to look at the Policy and see what it says.13:48
LeePenJust about to post my buster migration instructions.13:49
fsmithreddoesn't it usually work the other way? Some app depends on a library.13:49
fsmithrednot library depends on the app the uses it13:49
LeePenYes, but depsite their name, libpam-{systemd,elogind} actually do the login session registering.13:50
LeePenThat is why they are the alternatives for the new logind virtual package.13:51
LeePenNot ideal namimg IMHO.13:51
jaromilhi LeePen, I read a bit about the libpam-dependency and I am grateful for the pointer15:30
jaromilis there anyone in contact with any Debian developer trying to bring them to reason?15:30
LeePenjaromil: Hi. Thanks. Centurion_Dan has good connections with Debian Leader. I am just trying to collect arguments together for repopening #935304. Have you anything to add?17:36
xrogaan"wontfix because I say so"?17:51
LeePenxrogaan: I know.17:53
LeePenI have just noticed that Debian's systemd doesn't ship an initfile. That is RC bug according to Debian Policy!17:55
LeePenNot sure it is going to win us any friends to point it out though.17:55
LeePenHowever, it might be leverage for #935304?17:58
xrogaandunno, the behavior seems to dismiss whatever the maintainer do not like18:00
xrogaanTalking about the issue and being persistant is all we can do, is it not?18:10
enycFWIW, I observe  beowulf-backports  doesn't seem to exist yet ;p18:15
enycbe nice if it did r.e.  buster-backports  libreoffice  and otherwise  non core blocking programs!18:15
enycLeePen: ROFL thats.... thats... silly ;p18:16
enycLeePen:  at some point i got google site infection warning thing  to tell me google.com links to a lot of infected sites  , or something...18:17
fsmithreddoens't it link to all of the infected sites?18:17
masonping jaromil - do you have a preferred email? I'd like to have a potentially brief conversation and email seems ideal.19:40
masonjaromil: mason@blisses.org on this end19:44
gnu_srs1LeePen: #935304 is already reopened,. Please add your arguments there for a start ;)21:48
LeePengnu_srs1: Yes, thanks. I see that now. Will do.22:20
Centurion_DanLeePen, gnu_srs1: I took exception to Michael Biebl's attitude shown in his response to #935304 and already sent Sam an email asking for a reconsideration.23:14

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