| fsmithred | LeePen, I think there were two issues - one is grub-efi-amd64 expecting the bootloader directory to be called debian, and the other is that some third-party software doesn't recognize devuan. | 02:16 |
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| yeti | how does 3rd party software recognise ubuntu? | 03:23 |
| yeti | or kali? | 03:23 |
| fsmithred | ubuntu has a big presence | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | I don't know about kali | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | actually, I think you can recognize kali by how fat it is | 03:25 |
| yeti | if build scrips recognise debian and ubuno, then already 2 templates are included in the sources | 03:25 |
| yeti | adding a 3rd alternative wouldnt be black magick then | 03:25 |
| fsmithred | but you'd have to get everyone to do that | 03:26 |
| yeti | and if all else fails, let debian in there but lift the version number to what we have installed | 03:26 |
| yeti | and that is 10 then | 03:26 |
| yeti | we have the gcc of debian10 and the glibc of debian10 | 03:27 |
| fsmithred | is something broken without that? | 03:27 |
| yeti | not debian3 as this file currently claims | 03:27 |
| fsmithred | you're looking at /etc/os-release? | 03:27 |
| yeti | a gopherserver puts debian3 in the server info when compiled on beowulf | 03:28 |
| yeti | not funny! | 03:28 |
| yeti | not a real breakage but laughter worldwide | 03:28 |
| fsmithred | that was woody, I think | 03:28 |
| yeti | ! | 03:28 |
| yeti | my 2nd favourite debian | 03:29 |
| yeti | deb6 was even better | 03:29 |
| yeti | but then it decayed | 03:29 |
| yeti | 3 and 6 were fine... rockstable | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | yeah, lenny and squeeze were very good | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | I only used woody for a few months | 03:29 |
| yeti | a 486dx4 + woody... that was a runner! | 03:31 |
| fsmithred | can you do an experiment to see which of VERSION or VERSION_ID changes that behavior? | 03:31 |
| yeti | 133MHz | 03:31 |
| yeti | I'm not runing that gopherserver right now | 03:31 |
| fsmithred | any chance you could do it before our meeting tomorrow? | 03:32 |
| fsmithred | this subject is going to come up | 03:32 |
| fsmithred | well, if the gopherserver takes the whole field, then I guess it's using VERSION_ID="3" and not VERSION="3 (beowulf)" | 03:34 |
| yeti | but using the name debian and ID 3 (no matter which field) points to gcc2 then | 03:37 |
| yeti | if some soft decides what is available because of os-release, then ID 10 makes more sense | 03:38 |
| yeti | because we are running the versions like deb10 | 03:38 |
| yeti | not deb3 | 03:38 |
| yeti | either you want to disguise as debian to make software happy, then dont disguise as a 20 year old version | 03:39 |
| yeti | or do it right... | 03:39 |
| yeti | half of that oera were suprafluid when beowulf were devuan10 | 03:40 |
| yeti | :-Þ | 03:40 |
| fsmithred | I can be satisfied with the 3 in the pretty name, but I don't get the last word | 03:41 |
| yeti | it 99.671% is debian10 | 03:42 |
| yeti | I'd really have no problem reading that in os-release | 03:42 |
| yeti | life would be easier then for all sides | 03:43 |
| yeti | I'll testwise copy over busters os-release to my beowulf(s) | 03:43 |
| yeti | I bet nothing breaks | 03:44 |
| yeti | ok... next update will trash that experiment automagically | 03:47 |
| yeti | but how much software really needs this hack? | 03:47 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 03:48 |
| yeti | I mean really failing on compile... not just claiming to be debian3? | 03:48 |
| yeti | autotools stuff doesnt care | 03:48 |
| fsmithred | I didn't think compiling anything cared about the release number | 03:48 |
| fsmithred | just software version numbers | 03:48 |
| yeti | someone with ubuntu should look at this there | 03:49 |
| yeti | just for completeness | 03:49 |
| yeti | maybe that will give an idea | 03:50 |
| fsmithred | checking 16.04 iso | 03:50 |
| fsmithred | still waiting to get to a desktop | 03:52 |
| yeti | I'd need a download first... so you will be faster... | 03:54 |
| fsmithred | don't count on it | 03:54 |
| fsmithred | I got a black screen with a movable mouse cursor | 03:54 |
| fsmithred | mounting the iso... | 03:54 |
| fsmithred | ID=ubuntu | 03:56 |
| fsmithred | ID_LIKE=debian | 03:56 |
| fsmithred | VERSION="16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus)" | 03:56 |
| fsmithred | VERSION_ID="16.04" | 03:56 |
| yeti | the pad url is sectet today or did I just miss it? | 20:29 |
| golinux | You missed it. https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/u37rbbex1e+62zU-tFhfMn3J/ | 20:30 |
| yeti | \o/ | 20:31 |
| yeti | I really a mot curious at all... when I know everything... | 20:32 |
| yeti | mot->not | 20:32 |
| yeti | OMG! an animated avatar works in there?!?!?!?!?! | 20:37 |
| yeti | I'll put back the jollifish befor the meeting starts... promised! | 20:38 |
| golinux | PLEASE no animations | 20:49 |
| yeti | but I neded to test that... o:-) | 20:49 |
| golinux | I don't like anything moving unless I tell it to. | 20:49 |
| yeti | jus for some minutes... it'll be gone soon™... | 20:49 |
| yeti | ok... done... fishbone again.. soooo old that it doesn even smell any more ;-) | 20:52 |
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