| rrq | names | 14:21 |
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| LeePen | Hi all. | 14:59 |
| bgstack15 | greetings | 15:00 |
| LeePen | A couple of significant updates have just gone into ceres: sysvinit version 2.96-3+devuan1 | 15:01 |
| LeePen | and (thanks to amesser) a version of apt without libsystemd0 dependency. | 15:02 |
| LeePen | 2.0.1+devuan1. | 15:02 |
| LeePen | PLease test them if you are able before they go into chimaera. Thanks. | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | Just upgraded a ceres VM. Everything upgraded ok. Reboots ok, 'init 1' works. Anything specific that needs to be tested? | 16:35 |
| LeePen | fsmithred: Thanks. No, if it works.... | 16:37 |
| LeePen | Great! | 16:37 |
| fsmithred | I closed that bug | 16:37 |
| LeePen | Thanks | 16:37 |
| fsmithred | didn't even remember it existed | 16:38 |
| mason | fsmithred: Did you zap libelogind0? | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | it was not there to begin with | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | already had libelogind0 installed | 16:42 |
| mason | Hrm. I would have thought apt would have required it. | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | I think that's what just got fixed | 16:42 |
| mason | wait, it was already installed, or not there to begin with? Now I'm confuzzled. | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | I had a refracta beowulf that I upgraded to ceres, I don't remember when - maybe a couple months ago. | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | boot it today, did apt update & upgrade, got about 400+ packages | 16:43 |
| mason | I guess the test I'd want to run would be having a system that doesn't have libsystemd0 *or* libelogind0. | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | libsystemd0 was replaced with libelogind0 back when it was beowulf. | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | there is no system like that | 16:44 |
| mason | Right. But the idea is that apt shouldn't require either. | 16:44 |
| LeePen | mason: The new apt ins ceres doesn't require either, but other pacakges do. | 16:44 |
| LeePen | Many other. | 16:44 |
| mason | LeePen: It's a start. | 16:44 |
| LeePen | Absolutely! | 16:44 |
| mason | I'll see if I can get a VM going later to test stuff. Much of my environment is pretty light - on workstations, xdm, openbox, urxvt-unicode - so to a large extent I can avoid the whole mess. | 16:45 |
| LeePen | You might manage it. I will be interested to know. | 16:49 |
| LeePen | A quick apt rdepends libsystemd0 | grep Depends | wc -l | 16:50 |
| LeePen | gives 177 pacakges! | 16:50 |
| Human_G33k | 239 for me in debian testing | 17:03 |
| Human_G33k | LeePen | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | looks like libapt-inst2.0 and libapt-pkg5.0 still want lsd0. (They would be removed if I purged lsd0.) | 17:18 |
| fsmithred | I'm on a recent beowulf server install that I just upgraded to ceres. | 17:19 |
| LeePen | fsmithred: I think that is OK once you have apt 2.0.1+devuan1 | 17:39 |
| LeePen | It uses libapt-pkg6.0. | 17:40 |
| fsmithred | oh! | 17:40 |
| fsmithred | cool | 17:40 |
| LeePen | libapt-pkg5.0 should be an orphan and removable | 17:40 |
| fsmithred | I'll boot it up and check. | 17:40 |
| fsmithred | oh! Boot menu now says Devuan! | 17:41 |
| LeePen | /etc/os-release? | 17:41 |
| fsmithred | both libapt packages went without any problem | 17:42 |
| LeePen | Great. | 17:42 |
| fsmithred | yeah, ID=devuan | 17:42 |
| fsmithred | how does grub know to change "devuan" to "Devuan"? | 17:43 |
| LeePen | Magic! | 17:43 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I've looked at some of that grub magic before. | 17:43 |
| LeePen | Glad it works. | 17:44 |
| LeePen | afk for a bit. | 17:44 |
| amesser | LeePen: It will probably take some time till devuan apt will be in the package repositories? | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | amesser, I think I installed the new version about an hour ago | 19:37 |
| fsmithred | 2.0.1+devuan1 | 19:38 |
| fsmithred | in ceres | 19:39 |
| amesser | ah ok, probably not all mirrors are yet updated | 19:41 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that can take a couple hours | 19:43 |
| amesser | using kde os beowulf has become a pain. on my system applications stall every other moment several seconds. Especially dolphin, removing a file can 20 to 30 seconds where it is doing nothing. | 19:53 |
| amesser | i guess its evaluating some now unmounted (machine off) autofs nfs shares which i used a day ago. | 19:54 |
| amesser | should get another file manager, probably shell only :-) | 19:55 |
| fsmithred | amesser, nepomuk? akonadi? (meaningless words I remember) | 20:28 |
| fsmithred | actually, not meaningless. I associate them with "enemy". | 20:29 |
| amesser | lol :-) | 21:05 |
| amesser | i think the problem is that some kde component scans through mountpoints and also through recently used files. This triggers autofs mount which fails if the server is not available. But the failure timeout is several seconds. (Typically even more) | 21:06 |
| amesser | The point is, if I lower the mount timeout and the machine does not awake in time (homeserver spents most of its time in standby waiting for wol) the the user will get a "not avilable" or "file not found", kde programms complain etc.. | 21:08 |
| amesser | And if it is large, well then it blocks forever. Kind of usage experience. | 21:08 |
| amesser | I mean if i tell dolphin to remove two files in my home folder, i wouldn't expect it to mess with othe paths, but it actually does. | 21:09 |
| amesser | unfortunately kde seems to hook up this function somehow in qt. I observe similar stalls also with non-kde but qt applications. | 21:10 |
| amesser | time to "aptitude purge" :-D | 21:10 |
| mason | amesser: Interesting, a friend has an issue much like what you're describing. Not KDE-specific. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1861359 | 22:08 |
| mason | Someone mistakenly rewrite the bug description when they thought it was just the high watermark issue, but there's some description later in the ticket that's interesting. | 22:08 |
| mason | The one from today in particular. | 22:08 |
| * golinux has never liked the "feel" of qt apps. | 22:09 | |
| mason | rewrote* (I still can't type) | 22:11 |
| mason | golinux: Yeah, I think I know what you mean there. It's a nice toolkit, though. | 22:11 |
| golinux | It is cold and uncomfortable | 22:13 |
| * golinux goes back to making a mask | 22:14 | |
| * fsmithred puts on a Trump mask to keep the virus away | 22:24 | |
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