| fsmithred | I just uploaded RC2 desktop-live and minimal-live isos. Are the installer isos going to be updated very soon? | 01:18 |
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| fsmithred | Remake the torrent file or wait? | 01:18 |
| fsmithred | running it... | 01:25 |
| ShorTie | what cha think fsmithred, for a arm64 image, should i stick with beowulf or go with chimaera ?? | 01:25 |
| fsmithred | beowulf | 01:26 |
| fsmithred | wait a little bit for chimaera. Some stuff is ready, but mostly we've been working on beowulf. | 01:27 |
| ShorTie | the foundation has marked archives arm64 | 01:27 |
| ShorTie | ok. | 01:27 |
| fsmithred | beowulf is just about to be officially released | 01:28 |
| fsmithred | then we can all start playing with chimaera | 01:28 |
| ShorTie | so i've added the raspberrypi.gpg.key and set a raspi.list to just use there stuff | 01:28 |
| fsmithred | if you're mixing repos, you might need to do some pinning | 01:31 |
| fsmithred | to control where the packages come from | 01:31 |
| ShorTie | archive is only the foundation stuff | 01:32 |
| ShorTie | mirrordetect is where they keep debian | 01:32 |
| ShorTie | so there is no real mixing i don't think | 01:33 |
| ShorTie | they did come out with a raspbian64 the other day, it's debian64 + there stuff | 01:37 |
| ShorTie | finally kinda getting away from armv6 | 01:38 |
| xrogaan | I can help seed the torrent if it's linked here | 04:15 |
| fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf.torrent | 04:16 |
| xrogaan | thanks :) | 04:19 |
| xrogaan | would it be better if I download from the seeds of that torrent or the web, | 04:23 |
| xrogaan | ? | 04:23 |
| fsmithred | seeds? | 04:24 |
| xrogaan | there are currently none, that's why I ask :) | 04:24 |
| fsmithred | oh, most of what that refers to hasn't changed | 04:24 |
| fsmithred | just the live isos got replaced a couple hours ago | 04:24 |
| fsmithred | ok, I guess I don't understand the questions | 04:25 |
| fsmithred | question | 04:25 |
| fsmithred | singular | 04:25 |
| fsmithred | if you're going to download the whole set, I suggest waiting. The installer isos will be replaced very soon. | 04:27 |
| xrogaan | With torrents, you initially start with one super seed which can be hard on that seeder. Since there is currently no seeding, I was asking if it would be better if I downloaded the files through another means in order to ease the kickstart. | 04:28 |
| fsmithred | are there currently a bunch of leeches? | 04:28 |
| xrogaan | I'm the only one | 04:29 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what's faster. I always use wget. | 04:29 |
| xrogaan | There is no seeder that I can see. I assume this torrent is for the new isos. | 04:29 |
| fsmithred | the torrent is for ALL the isos | 04:30 |
| fsmithred | unless you select to only get one or a few | 04:30 |
| fsmithred | so I've been told | 04:30 |
| xrogaan | <fsmithred> I just uploaded RC2 desktop-live and minimal-live isos. Are the installer isos going to be updated very soon? | 04:30 |
| fsmithred | I haven't gotten the answer to that yet | 04:31 |
| xrogaan | Since there is a new release, I offered to get myself on the swarm to help with torrenting. | 04:31 |
| xrogaan | That's all I did. | 04:31 |
| fsmithred | thank you for seeding | 04:31 |
| fsmithred | but don't waste any bandwidth on the installer isos now. | 04:31 |
| fsmithred | just the live isos are new | 04:32 |
| fsmithred | and I expect that the installer isos will get replaced today or tomorrow | 04:32 |
| fsmithred | depending on your longitude | 04:32 |
| xrogaan | yeah, okay, but there is no seed for that torrent. | 04:32 |
| golinux_ | I don't think that the Beowulf torrentmmagnet has been set up yet | 05:04 |
| golinux_ | At least I haven't gotten the info to put on the website. | 05:05 |
| rrq | installer isos available .. and the torrent | 06:34 |
| rrq | I can add tracker | 06:35 |
| xrogaan | Same torrent than the link above? | 06:43 |
| rrq | yes | 06:43 |
| rrq | updated | 06:43 |
| golinux_ | Also need the magnet link. Maybe put it with the torrent? | 06:48 |
| golinux_ | Then one link to both will suffice. | 06:51 |
| golinux_ | bbl | 06:51 |
| rrq | mmm a torrent is a file, a magnet link is a url .. maybe someone could make a magnet link ponting to the torrent file | 06:54 |
| rrq | please? | 07:09 |
| xrogaan | this ? magnet:?xt=urn:btih:430a4df81701ebdeeeeeb599c34f8c459ba608f8&dn=devuan_beowulf&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.dyne.org%3a6969&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80 | 07:11 |
| rrq | ta | 07:12 |
| xrogaan | a magnet link is the hash of the torrent (430a4df81701ebdeeeeeb599c34f8c459ba608f8) + the trackers | 07:14 |
| golinux_ | rrq: So these are to two locations that should be on the website? | 07:40 |
| rrq | yes | 07:41 |
| golinux_ | And they set for Beowulf release? No more changes? I'll add them now if yes. | 07:41 |
| * golinux_ checks one off the list | 07:42 | |
| rrq | fine for now; the magnet link might need change eventually since it includes a hash of the torrent file, which has to be updated when any of the files it is indexing is updated | 07:44 |
| golinux_ | And this is the torrent? https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf.torrent | 07:44 |
| rrq | yes | 07:45 |
| golinux_ | w00t! | 07:45 |
| xrogaan | adding a timestamp to the torrent filename would probably be best. | 09:03 |
| xrogaan | tells people if it changed at all. | 09:03 |
| golinux_ | xrogaan: Do you know how to do that? | 09:19 |
| rrq | but that makes it not be one (that changes) anymore but rather a series of different ones | 09:24 |
| Xenguy | Yeah, currently no seeds on that torrent... | 09:28 |
| Xenguy | I'm willing to seed, but need a bootstrap first | 09:28 |
| xrogaan | rename -e "s/(.*)\.torrent/\$1-$EPOCHSECONDS.torrent/" file.torrent ? | 09:30 |
| rrq | these notions of "seed" and "bootstrap" wrt to torrents; what should a mere mortal think about those? | 09:34 |
| rrq | basically it's a matter of copying one or more files isn't it? | 09:35 |
| onefang | This is Linux, everything is a file. B-) | 09:37 |
| golinux_ | I got sidetracked. Torrent will have to wait until tomorrow. | 09:41 |
| golinux_ | Bedtime. | 09:42 |
| xrogaan | rrq: torrents behave in swarms. That is multiple computers talking to each other and exchanging bits of files. | 09:57 |
| xrogaan | By "seed" we understand that somebody is capable of sending the entirety of the bits of files present in the torrent. Where as a peer possess only a partial amount of bits. | 09:59 |
| xrogaan | Peer means that it is *your* peer: doesn't have the full torrent, but have bits and can exchange some if needed. | 09:59 |
| xrogaan | The seeds simply throw bits at whomever ask for them, they don't need to download anything. | 09:59 |
| xrogaan | When you start a newly created torrent, there is logically only one seed: the creator of the torrent. It's very painful to "bootstrap" the swarm since that original seeder will receive way too much requests that it can handle. | 10:01 |
| xrogaan | Instead you want to create a swarm as fast as possible: multiple peers, which when put together can recreate the whole torrent. | 10:02 |
| rrq | is there more than one torrent swarm? | 10:04 |
| xrogaan | Example: You have a torrent with parts named A, B, C, D, E and F. Peer 1 has part A and E, peer 2 has B and D, peer 3 has F and peer 4 has C. If all those peer are online, they can exchange information between themselves until they each have the whole torrent reconstructed. | 10:04 |
| onefang | Might help to add torrent capabilities to mirrors that already have the files. I've been thinking that for a while, but have no experience with torrents. | 10:05 |
| xrogaan | The problem when starting a new torrent is that all peers will continuously ask the only available seeder to send them files, potentially ignoring other peers. That is when the concept of "super-seeding" comes into play (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-seeding). Which consist in lying about your status and masquerading as a peer. | 10:07 |
| Xenguy | rrq: Just meant that there has to be some original source of the file intended to propogate | 10:07 |
| rrq | in this case, I would think most people will want only one iso and only once; maybe this data is not the ideal target for that sharing notion. | 10:09 |
| Xenguy | xrogaan: Well explained, thank you | 10:09 |
| xrogaan | rrq: about the swarm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_BitTorrent_terms#Swarm | 10:09 |
| Xenguy | rrq: It seems common; some folks just want to (in this case) share the Devuan goodness : -) | 10:10 |
| rrq | thanks. yes. can't say I see an improvement on the mirror concept, but it's good to learn the concepts. | 10:12 |
| xrogaan | torrent permits a lossless sharing of information. | 10:13 |
| Xenguy | And it's another bandwidth-sensible mechanism for propagating the binaries | 10:14 |
| xrogaan | it doesn't matter if some people just want one ISO file, so long as the swarm is big enough for the torrent to be whole. | 10:14 |
| Xenguy | So if you have it, seed it : -) | 10:15 |
| rrq | my laptop is behind a firewall | 10:16 |
| Xenguy | Sounds sensible | 10:16 |
| Xenguy | I used to have a firewall | 10:17 |
| xrogaan | rrq: you could setup a seed box or provice a http source https://wiki.vuze.com/w/HTTP_Seeding | 11:26 |
| xrogaan | rrq: lftp can share a torrent | 11:27 |
| xrogaan | lftp torrent file.torrent -O folder_containing_isos --share | 11:30 |
| xrogaan | see man lftp | 11:30 |
| xrogaan | > lftp -c help torrent | 11:33 |
| ShorTie | why do most of the lines in /var/log/boot have a '??7[ ok 8??done.' at the end ?? | 17:02 |
| ShorTie | Sun May 31 13:54:31 2020: Devuan: clean, 17458/44736 files, 134850/171671 blocks | 17:03 |
| ShorTie | Sun May 31 13:54:34 2020: ??7[ ok 8??done. | 17:03 |
| ShorTie | Sun May 31 13:54:34 2020: [....] Creating compatibility symlink from /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts. ...??7[warn8?? (warning) | 17:03 |
| * ShorTie trying his last chimaera to see if it the same | 17:07 | |
| ShorTie | chimaera does NOT, but does have funky black ovals with like NUL or ESC in the lines | 17:11 |
| ShorTie | i'm guess it has something to do with coloring of the messages since it's like [33m after the esc box | 17:14 |
| yeti | yip... such eyecandy poisons logs | 17:15 |
| yeti | not a bright idea... | 17:17 |
| golinux | What day are we releasing the announcement? I'd like to finish adding the release-specific bits to the website so it will be ready to push to master. | 19:05 |
| LeePen | I am starting on dak and amprolla now with evilham. | 19:07 |
| LeePen | I spoke to fsmithred earlier: | 19:08 |
| LeePen | He suggested midweek was better for distrowatch headlines. | 19:08 |
| LeePen | I am happy to do with that if you are? | 19:08 |
| golinux | That's fine. Please just give me an "official" date | 19:09 |
| golinux | I'm just now headed to breakfast and when I get back I will attend to some updates to beta. | 19:09 |
| LeePen | Great. Thanks. | 19:10 |
| golinux | Then the only outstanding piece will be the announcement. That can even be added post release. | 19:11 |
| golinux | I hope that you and fsr can pull the announcement together. | 19:12 |
| LeePen | I am sure we will once the technical aspects are done. | 19:13 |
| golinux | xrogaan: Could you please check the magnet link in the get-devuan page? The previous links had the & converted to & so I edited your link in the same way. | 22:56 |
| golinux | But don't know which way it should be. | 22:56 |
| xrogaan | where? | 22:57 |
| xrogaan | Which webpage*? | 22:57 |
| xrogaan | Don't see no magnet link: https://devuan.org/get-devuan | 22:58 |
| xrogaan | The url shouldn't be html encoded, it has to be &, not &. As & is for displaying the '&' character. | 22:59 |
| xrogaan | meaning that a url with index.php?page=title&param=1 will set the variable 'page' to "title¶m=1" | 23:00 |
| golinux | It's on the beta website download page | 23:00 |
| xrogaan | err "title&param=1" | 23:00 |
| golinux | It seems to be working here in transmission | 23:01 |
| xrogaan | looks fine when copied: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:430a4df81701ebdeeeeeb599c34f8c459ba608f8&dn=devuan%5Fbeowulf&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.dyne.org%3a6969&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80 | 23:01 |
| golinux | It's under all the mirror lists | 23:01 |
| golinux | But in the source there are & | 23:02 |
| xrogaan | did the torrent get updated again? | 23:02 |
| golinux | No I used the link you provided earlier but with & to align with the previous formatting. | 23:03 |
| golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/commit/18261e3e6d15c49b62bb05b34de11134f2d8dbe4 | 23:04 |
| xrogaan | dunno, maybe my browser is smart and convert them automatically | 23:06 |
| xrogaan | or it's how it has to be | 23:06 |
| xrogaan | & seems fine | 23:06 |
| xrogaan | I haven't done web dev in years. | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | xrogaan, I think the torrent did get re-made after I did it. | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | having trouble doing clock math... | 23:07 |
| xrogaan | yes, I know. | 23:07 |
| xrogaan | I did use the word "again" ;) | 23:07 |
| xrogaan | anyhow, somebody should start seeding if the torrent won't change. | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | live-iso filenames will change again. They currently say RC2 | 23:08 |
| golinux | So there will be a new magnet link? | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | I know nothing about the magnet link. | 23:09 |
| golinux | I am so done with doing this | 23:09 |
| golinux | Can we please get it out the door so I can retire? Please?? | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | I can re-make the torrent file after I change the file names | 23:10 |
| golinux | I still need the exact release date, the 2019 financial report and the Release Announcement. | 23:11 |
| xrogaan | yes, new magnet is required. Just like a new torrent file is required. | 23:12 |
| xrogaan | The torrent file tells you about all the pieces that needs to be retrieved. If the files it contain changes, the pieces changes too and the hashsum of the torrent changes. | 23:13 |
| golinux | But the torrent url is a constant | 23:13 |
| xrogaan | doesn't matter | 23:13 |
| xrogaan | It's an **index**. | 23:13 |
| xrogaan | if your content change, the index changes. | 23:14 |
| golinux | I won't have to touch it. | 23:14 |
| golinux | Only the magnet link needs to be switched out | 23:14 |
| xrogaan | IIRC the torrent file needs to be created against the content you wish to share. | 23:15 |
| xrogaan | Checksums are a bitch. | 23:15 |
| fsmithred | there's a makefile we run to create the torrent file | 23:16 |
| xrogaan | could you point me to it please? | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | someone else makes the magnet link, and I don't think that happens until final release | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | to what? | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | the makefile? | 23:16 |
| xrogaan | yes | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | it's on the server | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | not in a public location | 23:17 |
| xrogaan | could generate the magnetlink at the same time using https://github.com/idlesign/torrentool/blob/master/torrentool/torrent.py#L246 | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | rrq ^^^ | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | ok, if I use the torrent file in transmission, I expect to start downloading it from the server. Why not? | 23:27 |
| xrogaan | Y'all don't seem to understand what a torrent is (｀へ′) | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | nope | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | I've made torrent files a couple of times that worked. | 23:30 |
| xrogaan | If there is no webseed configured, you'll be relying on the swarm. | 23:30 |
| * golinux glazes over. | 23:30 | |
| fsmithred | when I did it, I seeded from a dropbox account | 23:30 |
| xrogaan | dropbox supports webseeding torrents? | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | no clue, but it worked | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | all I needed was the link to my file | 23:31 |
| xrogaan | webseeding is a bit more involved than just making the file tree available. The host must understand what a piece is and able to send them individually. | 23:32 |
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