libera/#devuan-dev/ Wednesday, 2020-06-03

LeePenfsmithred: Hi14:04
fsmithredhi14:06
LeePenSorry to hear you are at a loose end!14:08
LeePenI am wondering if we should try ID=devuan in /etc/os-release for the beowulf point release.14:08
LeePenDo you fancy finding whta it would break and if we can work around it in any other way?14:09
fsmithredoh...   let's test that in ceres or chimaera first14:09
bgstack15Devuan Meet pad for tomorrow: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/CM4V8OPWNBGZRpcVmBYt5TUv/14:09
LeePenIt has been in ceres and chimaera for  a while.14:09
fsmithredprobably breaks secure boot and some third-party software that expects debian14:10
fsmithredwho's got a secureboot setup to test?14:10
bgstack15I run Ceres on all my hardware, but I don't use secureboot. For some of the same reasons I use Devuan, I've never cared for SecureBoot...14:10
LeePenSince end of March according to changelog.14:10
LeePenNot me.14:11
LeePenHaving ID=debian and VERSION=3 (as it is) breaks postgresql-common.14:12
fsmithredfuck. Put it as devuan. We've been here five years, and they can all start to recognize us.14:13
LeePenThat is my feeling too.14:13
fsmithredI can easily make the live isos with the unsigned grub14:13
LeePenI can build it for beowulf-proposed-updates and then  it is easier to test?14:14
fsmithrednot sure what the installer isos do to decide which one to use14:14
fsmithredI can't really test it14:14
fsmithredno secure boot and I don't know much about third-party stuff that gets used in enterprise14:15
LeePenWhen we build new isos to test the point release, we can/will have to pull those packages in.14:15
LeePenNo, nor me.14:15
fsmithredwe should recruit a few suitable volunteers when the time comes for that14:16
LeePenI know jaromil pushed for this last summer when it was changed, but it feels the Wrong Thing™ to do to me.14:16
fsmithredyeah14:16
fsmithredwe could make a package that people could install to change it14:16
fsmithredor...14:16
fsmithredtell people to edit that one line14:16
fsmithredif they need it14:17
LeePenYes, once it is in beowulf-proposed-updates, folk can always install the update.14:17
LeePenWill do it now. It doesn't commit us to actually making the change, just makes testing what it breaks easier.14:17
fsmithredwe control base-files14:17
fsmithredmaybe we could make it so it acts differently depending on secure boot or not?14:17
fsmithredstore that thought for later14:18
LeePenbase-files 10.3+devuan3.5 in beowulf-proposed-updates for testing.15:10
onefanghttps://www.theregister.com/2020/06/03/devuan_beowulf_30/15:33
masononefang: Why would they quote GKH for anything?15:38
* onefang shrugs.15:39
masonSo, here's something I want to track. Ubuntu 20.04 has finally adopted configuration options for grub-efi-amd64 that match grub-pc for flexibility - specifically, you can specify multiple ESPs the same way you can specify multiple disks with MBRs for grub-pc. Do we know if they got this from Debian or if it's their own innovation?15:40
masonI haven't had a chance to look yet.15:40
masonhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot was updated this year, but I'm not sure I wholly believe it. Guess it's time to set up a test environment.15:46
masonHrm. So, in Debian testing, dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64 doesn't do this. I'll move to Sid and if it's not there, I'll look at the Ubuntu repositories to see what they did.  I think this is something we want.16:45
masonHrm, 30 packages different from an updates testing to Sid right now, so it must be Ubuntu-only so far.16:47
masons/updates/updated/g16:47
HumanG33khello i try to use gitlab (with apache2) from debian on devuan i will try to desystemd it in order to limit error. feel free to come on #debian-gitlab and/or make tests17:10
plasma41I have a UEFI box in my collection of hardware. I can run some secure boot tests on that.19:20
golinuxHas anyone received the Beowulf announcement that jaromil was supposed to send today?22:00
golinuxNothing on Devuan's twitter either.22:13
LeePengolinux: No. And there is nothing in devuan-announce archive.22:55
golinuxor on twitter22:56
golinuxI'm guessing hos connection is still down.22:56
golinuxhis22:56
LeePenShall we wait for him or shall I send the one I did yesterday?22:56
golinuxYou have access to announce?  I don't.22:57
LeePen'To post a message to all the list members, send email to devuan-announce@lists.dyne.org.'22:58
golinuxInteresting that there is only one announcement in there for 2.1 https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/devuan-announce.en.html22:59
golinuxSure give it a try!22:59
golinuxBut I suspect that it will go into a black hole.22:59
LeePenHmmm23:13
LeePenSent.23:33
golinuxNothing posted here https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/devuan-announce.en.html   Yes, I refreshed!23:46
LeePenIn moderation.23:56

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