| mason | onefang: That means the backport kernel will definitely work. 20.04 kernel is 5.4, beowulf-backports ships 5.6 | 00:57 |
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| onefang | Hmmm refracta-test-oblx_5.6bpo-20200625_1323.iso failed to start X11. | 02:52 |
| fsmithred | onefang, try installing newer firmware-amd-graphics from beowulf-backports | 03:04 |
| fsmithred | I see 20200817-1~bpo10+1 in repo but older one is in that iso. | 03:04 |
| onefang | I think Ubuntu is using Wayland instead of X11 as well. | 03:05 |
| fsmithred | oh | 03:05 |
| onefang | I've been up too long banging my head against this. Time for some sleep. | 03:40 |
| Xenguy | Sleeeeeeeeeeepppppppppppppy | 03:48 |
| mason | So, it turns out that Foswiki has the same pidfile issue as Unbound. I'll report it in the AM. | 04:31 |
| Xenguy | Huh, who would of thought that finding a decent wiki could be so hard. The devil is in the details I think. | 04:35 |
| mason | heh | 04:35 |
| mason | This won't be a showstopper. It's just a maintenance burden. | 04:35 |
| Xenguy | There is chaos to free software, it's a fact | 04:35 |
| Xenguy | I thought wikis would be a bit more bulletproof by now, but here we are | 04:36 |
| mason | Well, part of the issue is our strong desire to avoid PHP, then Python, and to do flat files and such. | 04:36 |
| Xenguy | Why are those considered undesirable? | 04:37 |
| mason | PHP is historically a source of great bugginess. Python, personal prejudice that seems to be not-uncommon. | 04:37 |
| Xenguy | You just like the flatfile cos it's less burdensome perhaps | 04:38 |
| mason | Not me in that instance. I'd be happiest with something that uses PostgreSQL as a back end. | 04:38 |
| mason | That's what the group wants, though. | 04:38 |
| Xenguy | OK. It's too bad about the Python part, I had thought Python was A-OK, but what do I know? | 04:39 |
| mason | One of the big issues with Python was the horrible Python 2 -> Python 3 switch that left many folks in something of a lurch, even if it was known to be coming for a while. | 04:39 |
| mason | Perl has never done that to people. | 04:39 |
| Xenguy | True | 04:40 |
| Xenguy | Perl had its own trainwreck, I read | 04:40 |
| Xenguy | Nothing's perfect | 04:40 |
| mason | So, Foswiki has nice "here's how to do it with nginx" page that's pretty easy to follow. Seems to maybe have bitrotted, though, or to be missing something, as I'm running into FastCGI issues. But this is something that'll debug easily. | 04:40 |
| mason | Perl had a distraction with Perl 6, which is going to continue on as its own language. | 04:41 |
| mason | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl_6 | 04:41 |
| Xenguy | If you could get it working you'd be fixing bugs too, but takes work | 04:41 |
| mason | Fixing documentation more likely, but yeah. | 04:41 |
| Xenguy | mason: yes, that version of Perl changed the name or something | 04:41 |
| Xenguy | roku? | 04:42 |
| Xenguy | Not sure | 04:42 |
| mason | Yeah. If you look at the page, it's a redirect to that. | 04:43 |
| Xenguy | Sometimes the synapses come through, hehe | 04:43 |
| mason | Gods, another instance where elogind has crept in. | 04:45 |
| mason | Pernicious, not least that people don't realize the implications of embracing it. | 04:45 |
| * mason wipes his windshield clean. | 04:46 | |
| mason | Alright, going to stop for tonight. I've got my private wiki up in "configure" mode, so that's a win. I think since we want at least a couple choices, I might set up PMWiki as well. It's PHP, but, eh. | 04:51 |
| mason | Going to call this good for tonight. | 04:52 |
| mason | o/ | 04:52 |
| Xenguy | o/ | 04:55 |
| onefang | OS plan B - install Mint on a small partition, so I have something to actually use, then work on debootstrapping Beowulf + backports onto the rest of the disk. Coz I'm tired of messing with Superbitch (the name of this computer now), I want to do useful shit with it. lol | 14:10 |
| mason | onefang: Why not just have a text-mode Devuan Beowulf install and toss in backports from there? | 16:06 |
| mason | Inertia is real and it'll just make it harder to switch. | 16:07 |
| onefang | I do all my Devuan installs with debootstrap. I has scripts. | 16:12 |
| mason | onefang: I think you misunderstood, or I was unclear. Do one that doesn't set up a GUI, then toss in backports and add the GUI at that point. | 16:22 |
| mason | Should be relatively quick, and not far out of your existing mechanism for installs. | 16:23 |
| mason | onefang: Remember that even if the GUI doesn't start on whatever live media you're using, you can still hop over to a text console. | 16:23 |
| onefang | It's more fucking around, right now I want to use the damn thing, I've been fucking around with it for a week. | 16:24 |
| mason | My first post-wiki goal is to duplicate the Debian text-only "standard" live media. | 16:24 |
| mason | Well, it's only fucking around if you don't end up with a usable system rather quickly. I'd guess that it'd be 20-25 minutes of fucking around and then you'd have your system done, and much of that being downloading. | 16:24 |
| mason | My installs involve pulling in my custom kernel modules for ZFS from an internal repository and integrating those, and that's probably the same level of complexity if not a bit more. | 16:25 |
| onefang | You are not quite gettingc it, I'm tired of fucking around, I wanna play NOW. More fucking around later. I have a usable Mint system right now. Once I have a few things set up in Mint, and have run some OMG it's soooo faaaasttt" tests, then I'll get back to fucking around to get Devuan installed on it. | 16:27 |
| onefang | Mint has a 50 GB partition, the rest of the 2 TB of NVME is set aside for Devuan. But right now, time to kill the frustrations, time to PLAY!! B-) | 16:30 |
| golinux | FYI . . . the 2019 Devuan Financial Report finally arrived to my inbox today! Thanks to Adam for liaising with jaromil on this. | 20:34 |
| golinux | pdf will be posted to the website shortly. | 20:35 |
| mason | \o/ | 20:40 |
| bgstack15 | Devuan meet tomorrow at 20:30 UTC! Pad is https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/lw81lU2NjjClmMT5nUHy-QN8/ | 23:41 |
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