| enyc | Xenguy: yes, ftp://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/devuan-cd/ also broken, in fact =). | 09:17 |
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| enyc | hrrm, what aways are there to install chimaera (experimental) ? | 09:29 |
| enyc | 'testing install-images ?? | 09:30 |
| enyc | I'd definitely like to try chimaera on netook on certain partition, here ... | 09:34 |
| enyc | test libsane versions helping debian-dev with, and so-on | 09:35 |
| fsmithred | enyc, there are no official testing images, but I have a couple of no-X Refraca isos built on chimaera here: https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/ | 11:28 |
| enyc | fsmithred: I want to be able to install and update and then install meta-packages that would be normal for devuan desktop... | 11:44 |
| fsmithred | enyc, that'll work, but the only installer in the iso is refractainstaller. No lvm or raid. | 11:47 |
| fsmithred | pure devuan sources | 11:47 |
| enyc | fsmithred: i only want custom partitioning, replace contents of 1 existing simple mbr partition | 11:48 |
| fsmithred | other way is debootstrap install or else install beowulf an upgrade | 11:48 |
| fsmithred | install to single partition is easy | 11:49 |
| fsmithred | and you can skip the bootloader if you want | 11:49 |
| enyc | fsmithred: thankyou, id like to see refracta anyhow so will try that ... | 11:50 |
| fsmithred | the no-X isos are standard system plus extra stuff for rescue, repair, diagnostics, and a few tweaks | 11:50 |
| enyc | fsmithred: ok -- that leaves the key question -- which metapackages apply to devuan standard xfce desktop, drivers, etc etc that would go with a default desktop install? | 11:55 |
| fsmithred | task-desktop task-xfce-desktop (or other) | 11:56 |
| fsmithred | task-laptop | 11:56 |
| fsmithred | you may want to add contrib and non-free to sources.list | 11:56 |
| enyc | task-english on older devuan hrrm | 11:56 |
| fsmithred | if you want a different default language, you should boot into that language | 11:57 |
| fsmithred | it'll work better that way | 11:57 |
| fsmithred | there should be wireless packages in the home dir for offline install | 11:58 |
| enyc | fsmithred: hrrm and due to nature of the machine i'm using it has UEFI-booted even if i will want to legacy-boot, but again if I use a different bootloader I suspect that just won't matter | 12:48 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you can avoid installing the bootloader and use whatever one is already there | 13:00 |
| enyc | yes, useful text installer.... | 13:01 |
| enyc | updating another of the 3 systems now, then will use the primary to rebuild grub config ;p | 13:02 |
| fsmithred | you got it installed ok? | 13:02 |
| enyc | apparently =) | 13:02 |
| fsmithred | cool. | 13:03 |
| fsmithred | enyc, you'll need to apt update in the new system. Cache is empty to save space. | 13:06 |
| enyc | fsmithred: hrrm I thought I told installer to use UUID... | 13:12 |
| enyc | fsmithred: yet the created grub config by other ubuntu-deriv, now tells this to boot with root=/dev/sda2 | 13:13 |
| fsmithred | blame it on the ubuntu-deriv | 13:16 |
| fsmithred | the fstab in the refracta install should have uuid | 13:16 |
| enyc | hrrm, within devuan, what do i do to dpkg-reconfigure which devices grub to be installed on? | 13:17 |
| fsmithred | also, I thought of something. I haven't tried installing the task- packages in chimaera yet. Not sure if you'll run into trouble. I know that desktop-base is not ready yet. | 13:17 |
| enyc | i'd like it to put its' own grub on /dev/sda2 (knowning that has blocklist limitations, but like to do it anyhow) | 13:17 |
| fsmithred | oh, you could have done that from within the installer | 13:18 |
| fsmithred | but 'dpkg-reconfigure grub' might do it | 13:18 |
| fsmithred | I usually just grub-install and update-grub | 13:18 |
| fsmithred | back in a few minutes... | 13:19 |
| enyc | installed system updating giwves message about "live-boot:" [......] list of items | 13:24 |
| enyc | fsmithred: aah, now devuan chimaera has created its' own grub-pc grub.cfg etc etc (even if not set to install grub anywhere), the other system has then been able to make much more sensible boot entries for devuan | 13:30 |
| fsmithred | if you remove refractasnapshot-base and refractainstaller-base you can then remove the live-* packages, syslinux, and a few other things if you want | 13:32 |
| fsmithred | xorriso and mksquashfs | 13:32 |
| enyc | fsmithred: yes doing now, what else is refracta-specific ? | 13:33 |
| fsmithred | extra groups, all sysrq keys enabled, | 13:34 |
| fsmithred | I think I did those. These isos were made with live-sdk so your first boot of the iso is the first time. | 13:35 |
| enyc | fsmithred: seemingly, exim4 and ssh server too... | 13:35 |
| fsmithred | unlike how I build the desktop isos, which is in a VM and then make a snapshot | 13:36 |
| fsmithred | yeah, ssh server | 13:36 |
| fsmithred | I think exim4 was automatic | 13:37 |
| enyc | chunter-chunter tasksel installing devuan desktop xfce and console productivity and laptop .... | 13:43 |
| fsmithred | no conflicts? | 13:44 |
| enyc | none *reported* yet, still in process "Installing packages" hidden via the whole interface | 13:45 |
| enyc | seenig voenload warnings abou audit, apparmor, porfile_load, user usbmub unknown, rogroups, ...... | 13:45 |
| fsmithred | not sure if wicd is still listed in there. It's not in chimaera. | 13:49 |
| enyc | fsmithred: attemping to boot desktop and get wifi up | 13:49 |
| fsmithred | that was fast | 13:51 |
| enyc | fsmithred: been busy ;p | 14:34 |
| enyc | fsmithred: uerm no wifi connection facility out of teh box | 14:34 |
| fsmithred | wpasupplicant and wireless tools? | 14:34 |
| fsmithred | possibly setnet.sh | 14:35 |
| enyc | fsmithred: fwiw i think laptop tasksel ought to install right stuff... | 14:35 |
| fsmithred | ceni should be there | 14:36 |
| enyc | fsmithred: aaaah didn't know about that | 14:37 |
| enyc | fsmithred: still i'd half expect some sort of gui-style tool too but anyhow | 14:37 |
| fsmithred | no gui | 14:38 |
| fsmithred | in the iso | 14:38 |
| enyc | indeed but rather tasksel for laptop and desktop together... | 14:38 |
| fsmithred | in the desktop isos, I normally include wicd | 14:38 |
| fsmithred | right. Those packages need to be updated for chimaera. We haven't actually decided what network gui will be included | 14:39 |
| fsmithred | probably n-m but possible connman | 14:39 |
| enyc | fsmithred: wifi via Ceni and usb automounting working ...... so can start experincing bullseye/chimaera | 14:45 |
| enyc | fsmithred: r.e. conflicts: I wish to "apt-get build-dep libsane-common" and get libelogind0 : Conflicts: libsystemd0 | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | just install libelogind0 and it should remove libsystemd0 | 14:48 |
| fsmithred | I'm surprised you don't already have it | 14:48 |
| enyc | fsmithred: libelogind0 already installed | 14:48 |
| enyc | fsmithred: try yourself "apt-get build-dep libsane-common" | 14:48 |
| fsmithred | I'm not in chimaera right now | 14:49 |
| enyc | https://packages.debian.org/source/bullseye/sane-backends | 14:49 |
| enyc | adep: libsystemd-dev [linux-any] | 14:49 |
| fsmithred | I don't know the way around that | 14:49 |
| fsmithred | but it might be written somewhere | 14:49 |
| enyc | hrrm ok so .... packages which can work on devuan but not be build on devian .... puzzle =) | 14:50 |
| fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/documentation/src/branch/master/maintainers | 14:50 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=21605#p21605 | 14:51 |
| fsmithred | see first quote block in first post in the second link | 14:51 |
| fsmithred | ...chroot... | 14:52 |
| enyc | ok | 14:52 |
| enyc | in this case im prebably best with chroot on nother system, fine ok =) | 14:52 |
| enyc | fsmithred: any idea of 'clean' way to turn-off autologin at console on all contsoles ? | 15:11 |
| enyc | fsmithred: that seems to be in /etc/inittab hardwired now | 15:11 |
| enyc | 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f enyc etc etc | 15:11 |
| fsmithred | yes. replace /etc/inittab with stock debian version | 15:11 |
| fsmithred | need to see what it looks like? | 15:12 |
| enyc | fsmithred: i can get that off another chroot but wondering if there is a package system way of 'get default config for this file' | 15:12 |
| fsmithred | it's been the same for more than 10 years | 15:12 |
| enyc | fsmithred: aha -- reinstalling sysvinit-core with inittab moved out the way did the trick | 15:14 |
| fsmithred | ah, good. apt-file couldn't tell me that the files comes from that package | 15:14 |
| fsmithred | normally that gets done by the installer | 15:15 |
| fsmithred | I don't recall if it's a question or a config file option in the cli installer | 15:15 |
| fsmithred | in the gui installer, it's a checkbox | 15:15 |
| * enyc meows | 16:13 | |
| yeti | _@o ____( Moo! ) | 16:15 |
| Xenguy | enyc: Following up on your mirror feedback: I tested the current mirrors listed on that page, and have commented out any that seem problematic, for now. Thanks again, and feel free to /join #devuan-www also. We appreciate your help : -) | 18:35 |
| Xenguy | ^^ Not published Live yet, only to the Dev server. Will likely go Live later today. | 18:35 |
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